Topic: Wheelie bin fire danger (Read 4472 times)

Tobes · « **on:** October 13, 2006, 01:18:06 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A9553160

...and here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3203753.stm

James · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:14:46 PM »

I wondeer if the council have factored in a million pounds for wheelie bin fires in the cost of running the system?
Or indeed anything.

I certainly don't want one of these things in or near my front garden after reading these articles.
Any councillor (or council officers) want to allay my fears?

James

hlt · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2006, 03:58:32 PM »

WHATS A WHEELIE BIN I LIVE INA GROUND FLOOR FLAT WE STILL USE BALCK BAGS YOU LOT ARE SO LUCKY

Alligator · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2006, 05:53:05 PM »

This is a bit like the 'ipods cause rise in crime' headlines. These wheelie bins haven't spontaneously combusted, it's the scum bags that set them on fire that are a fire danger, they could just as easily do this to black bags.

I'm not condoning the use of wheelie bins and I recognise that there is very little space to accommodate these in many places in town and the two weekly collections are a step back to the dark ages and I think the council should consider this issue seriously. They will 'own' these wheelie bins and therefore could quite easily be liable for any damage they cause if they're set on fire, but we shouldn't base a decision on whether, or not, wheelie bins are appropriate solely on the actions, or possible actions, of the low lifes of society.

James · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2006, 06:28:27 PM »

Seems to me to be giving the scum bags too much opportunity, if the bins are available to be set on fire all the time, rather than bin bags which only get put out once a week.
Any stats for bin bag arson?

James

Alligator · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:11:43 PM »

I certainly have no stats, just anecdotal stories, like those in the links above, to show that rubbish sacks are equally a target for arson as bins (wheelie or otherwise).

Tobes · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2006, 10:52:22 PM »

I think I'd trust the fire brigade - who are the one's who've provided one of the the 'annecdotal' quotes above. They tend to have a certain expertese when it come to fires.

Dunno if you've ever played with fire Alligator. I know I did as a kid. I know that compacted rubbish in a container burns a hell of a lot better than it does in a small loose bag. Especially a nice big container with and inviting 'lift me lid' sat in someones drive or front garden to chuck a match of fag into on the way back from a few alcopops. Especially if that container was made of a nice thick plastic which burns nicely and drips rivulets of burning molten plastic too. (Ignoring the fact that a wheelie bin contains three or four times as much rubbish as a single bin liner - and also ignoring the fact that it will be almost exclusively nice high-temperature burning plastic once the paper has been removed for 'recycling')

Anyway - I'm not suggesting that wheelie bins should be scrapped on this evidence, seems to me that there are plenty of far more valid and logical reasons. It just amused me to read those stories that there was YET ANOTHER reason why they are a crap idea.

Alligator · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2006, 10:00:14 AM »

Quote from: Tobes on October 13, 2006, 10:52:22 PM

I think I'd trust the fire brigade - who are the one's who've provided one of the the 'annecdotal' quotes above. They tend to have a certain expertese when it come to fires.

I agree with you on this point, I would trust that the fire brigade know what they're talking about. It was this article I was thinking about when I referred to my anecdotal evidence http://www.mawwfire.gov.uk/business_eng/arson/assessment_arson_reduction.htm section 2 states

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Who commits arson?
2. Statistics reveal that the majority of people cautioned or arrested for arson are male and in the 10-14 year old age group. Many arson fires in industry and commerce are lit by youngsters as acts of opportunist vandalism or in an attempt to destroy evidence of petty crimes. Deliberate fire raising by members of the workforce is much rarer. A third danger can result from fires lit by visitors, especially members of the public when visiting retail premises.

Fires started by children often escalate from fires in bags of rubbish to larger fires in waste materials, to vehicles, sheds and outbuildings before larger building are involved. Managers of premises should therefore maintain a degree of vigilance and review their security measures as soon as they hear of any small fires occurring on their industrial estate, business park or neighbourhood.

It strikes me that whatever the mechanism for collection, the more refuse sitting on the streets awaiting collection, the greater the risk of arson. You only have to glance aound the town and some of the residential streets and you will see piles of rubbish bags waiting to be kicked around, attacked by cats/dogs/rats, or set fire to in the days before the bin men come and collect them.

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Dunno if you've ever played with fire Alligator. I know I did as a kid.

I didn't play with fire, is that some form of right of passage that I missed

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Anyway - I'm not suggesting that wheelie bins should be scrapped on this evidence, seems to me that there are plenty of far more valid and logical reasons. It just amused me to read those stories that there was YET ANOTHER reason why they are a crap idea.

I completely agree with you on this point, but I'd also like to see much more focus on, and firmer action taken against, those people that commit arson.

James · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:22:50 PM »

I think those who commit arson should be caught. What you do with them is a more complex question.

However, I would rather have the opportunity reduced to one night a week (when the rubbish bags go out) rather than every day access to wheelie bins in our (tiny) front gardens.

Does anyone know how often the bin lorries catch on fire, or arrive with smouldering/burning waste at the land fill sites, due to someone inapproprioately disposing of something, car battery for example, in their household waste?

James

Alligator · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:43:06 PM »

Quote from: James on October 14, 2006, 12:22:50 PM

I think those who commit arson should be caught. What you do with them is a more complex question.

Forced sterilisation is the answer!

Sterilise them, sterilise their parents, sterilise their siblings, if they can't behave in a decent manner they have nothing to offer the rest of society, if their parents can't control them then they're as guilty, we should irradicate their genes from the pool, they shouldn't be allowed to breed

PS, I forgot to include the grandparents in this, if they're still of child bearing age then they should be sterilised too.

Tobes · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:47:05 PM »

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I didn't play with fire, is that some form of right of passage that I missed?

YES!

Alligator · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2006, 01:04:09 PM »

Quote from: Tobes on October 14, 2006, 12:47:05 PM

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I didn't play with fire, is that some form of right of passage that I missed?

YES!

BUGGAR! I always knew that my life felt incomplete, now I know why. Is there an age limit on this one?

Simon · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:17:36 PM »

How many wheeliebin fires have there been in Swindon then? I haven't heard of any. For that matter, how often have there been fires in the bins dotted around our public spaces?

I lived in Nottingham for a few years, all the houses there had wheeliebins, and I never heard of fires in them there either.

Jarvis · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2006, 02:20:53 PM »

Could wheeli ebin fires become next years mini-moto 'crisis' ?

Will madam Snelgrove decide that a new law will be required to deal with it ?.....

.....will she decide that the offences of arson, criminal damage and recklessness just don't cut the Nu-Labour mustard ?

She'll need something to keep the voters of Swindon onside, docking dogs tails and menacing mini-moto owners will only carry her so far.

Having recently declared war on obesity in her Talkswindon blog, I wonder what Nan Smallgrope would do in Anne Snelgroves position ?.

Mart · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:18:18 PM »

I just done an oxymoron on the residents parking. ZPW said so.

Wossat, should I shower?

Wheelie bins, article today in a Sunday paper I will not name.

A leading Government adviser, Stephen Bates, who 'guides town hall bosses on environmental policies' and has a £500,000 a year contract with 25 local authorities says:

'The secretive introduction of tracking devices and fortnightly rubbish collections has created a ' general tide of suspicion, mistrust and disdain'.

He warns that 'public animosity towards changes introduced without consent or consultation threatens to derail any hoped for environmental improvements''.

And my favourite,

'Recycling has become a process so bogged down in procedure and a culture of box ticking that the core reason - environmental protection - has been all but lost'.

Mr Bates is due to deliver a speech next month in Sheffield to Chartered Institution of Wastes Management, these extracts are apparently from the draft.

Tobes · « **Reply #15 on:** April 28, 2008, 04:15:37 PM »

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How many wheeliebin fires have there been in Swindon then? I haven't heard of any. For that matter, how often have there been fires in the bins dotted around our public spaces?

I lived in Nottingham for a few years, all the houses there had wheeliebins, and I never heard of fires in them there either.

POLICE are appealing for witnesses after rubbish bins and recycling boxes were set alight in Pinehurst and Haydon Wick.

The incidents took place between midnight and 7am on Tuesday in Pinehurst and Avon Mead, Haydon Wick.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/display.var.2228781.0.did_you_see_bins_set_alight.php

Another one of my pessamistic premonitions has come to pass....

Alex · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »

We had 2 in Avenue Road one night last month- fire tender and blue flashing lights at 1 or 2 am woke us up.

I saw a plastic skip in Wood street all burned and melted outside McKenzies today too.

It has started...

billy · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »

we all got some wheel bin fires round here 2. therez loadz a products to stop it no do. cant remembers dem all try www.wheeliebinbracket.com

Geoff Reid · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:20:53 PM »

I'm willing to bet that if you modified your bin in any way, some wonk at SBC would accuse you of criminal damage.

Ours is parked out back.

Watched by Dobermanns.

And circus midgets.

Mart · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:28:51 PM »

When I get one I am filling it with 4 star. Then the scum can do dog impressions when they light it.

Whoof!

Getting fed up living in peculiar ways because brainless vermin choose to live as they please, and are allowed to do so unfettered by any effective means of restraint.

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