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Maggots in wheelie bins
« on: August 01, 2008, 01:30:50 AM »
TBH, believe it or not, rubbish/refuse/wheelie bins and fortnightly collections etc is one of my least favourite subjects from the last year, but this story has appeared on the Adver Website.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/3562144.Council_warning_over_maggots_in_bins/

 MAGGOTS have been discovered in wheelie bins of two householders.

Now Swindon Council is urging householders to take extra care when using their bins.

Kevin Benham, from Stratton said: “My bin has been in the garage for the last week and when I opened the lid today to put in more refuse the maggots fell out covered in yellow froth they were still crawling out after we placed a brick on the lid.

“I have poured five kettles of boiling water on the floor of my garage to kill them and around the top of the bin. I feel disgusted by the whole incident.”

Ross Noakes, from Sun Lane in Wroughton, also had a brush with maggots.

He waited three weeks for a bin collection.

He said: “It was more than three weeks before it was collected and the bin had maggots in it – it was disgusting.”

A Swindon Council spokesman said: “The female common house fly can lay 500 eggs in three days, and during the summer these can hatch within eight to twenty hours, so maggots can just as easily appear in bins or bags that are collected weekly.

“In the days of weekly collections, it was common to find maggots in waste during hot weather.

“Wheelie bin lids, if kept tightly closed, prevent flies from getting at the contents.

“It also helps to store the bin in a shady area if possible, as this reduces the chance of the contents heating up which increases the smell, which in turn attracts insects.

“If the bin does have maggots in it most will be removed when it is emptied, but maggots and eggs will be killed by boiling water.”

, so it’s advisable to wash the bin out with a mild detergent after it has been emptied.”

“However, there are simple and effective ways of preventing the problem.

“Food waste shouldn’t be left uncovered in the house, as it can attract flies to lay eggs on it before it goes into the bin, so it’s best to place it immediately in the bin, securely and preferably double-wrapped.

“Disposable nappies and pet faeces should also be double bagged and put into the bin.


I'll leave fellow residents to draw their own conclusions about the right and wrongs of SBC's reply, but would add that a neighbour across the road from us came home from an evening shift at 23.45 the other night(he's a chef), only to find maggots crawling out of his wheelie bin and when he opened the lid he and the street, and I jest not, were the victims of an invasion of hundreds of maggots, which consequently involved half a dozen residents, including our selves, cleaning away/killing/boiling to death the little b@stards, at midnight.

When it was reported to SBC the next day, we were as good as called liars as the operator and her line manager have never had any problems with maggots in their wheelie bins and as long as everything is wrapped up and the lid is down, there shouldn't be a problem.

What a load of Bollox, I have had maggots in my bin and I make sure my binbags are tied up, plus I also use wheelie bin liners that I tie up when there are 3 or 4 binbags in them, and maggots seem quite happy to live on the outside of the bags.
As for the comment about “Wheelie bin lids, if kept tightly closed, prevent flies from getting at the contents" possibly true if they have an airtight seal, but quite frankly the comment is utter tosh. For example one side of the lid on my wheelie bin is a good 6 or 7 mill higher than the other side, leaving a huge gap for friendly flies to wander in and plant their offspring.

What a bunch of tossers, but of course alternate weekly collection  king, David Wren has successfully walked away from the mess that he has caused, and the blue brigade (of which I have also flown the colour) have an ideal scapegoat.

Don't you just love Swindon??? Personally, I find it harder and harder to do so, every day. :'(

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 09:06:14 AM »
Kecl - I hate to say I said so.... but ain't it exactly as we all predicted in all those threads? I don't know whats worse from the lips of those who willfully ignored the consequences of the change from weekly to fortnightly collections: the pointless Polly Anna-ish 'it'll work, don't complain' - or the ignorance regarding a houseflies ability to get under a wheelie bin lid.

Sure if you double the time waiting for collection, you double the chances of maggots?!

How maggots, flies, stench equate to an environmental 'benefit' god only knows.
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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 12:59:03 PM »
 

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When it was reported to SBC the next day, we were as good as called liars as the operator and her line manager have never had any problems with maggots in their wheelie bins and as long as everything is wrapped up and the lid is down, there shouldn't be a problem.

So they're taking the Deny, Deny, Deny approach then.

Over here in West Swindon, where SBC says AWC has been a 'complete success' I still say AWC is shit and I would offer the following.

It doesn't matter how many wrappings of plastic you put around food waste, as soon as it starts to decompose the gas, and smell, will escape the bag...and the bin itself.

Not everyone can keep their bins out of direct sunlight.

It only takes one bad bin to blanket an entire street in a stinking fug.

Flies will lay their eggs almost anywhere if it's close to a potential source of food and let the maggots find it themselves.


I don't mind separating my waste and using my orange boxes. I don't mind putting plastic bottles into the bottle bank or using the small number of plastic bags I'm given once a year.  But I do object to AWC.

Take the 240 litre bins away, replace them with the 120 litre versions and empty the bloody things every week.  End of problems.


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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 01:35:36 PM »
This is the bit which worries me...
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A Swindon Council spokesman said: “The female common house fly can lay 500 eggs in three days, and during the summer these can hatch within eight to twenty hours, so maggots can just as easily appear in bins or bags that are collected weekly.

“In the days of weekly collections, it was common to find maggots in waste during hot weather.


It is quite possible for a complete new generation of flies if you leave the bin for 14 days.

http://www.vtaide.com/png/housefly.htm

or less if conditions are good, 11 days is perfectly possible.

Under the old system, the MAGGOTS would be taken away.
Under the new system the FLIES don't get taken away.

Seems a pretty important difference to me.

MAGGOTS don't breed, FLIES do breed.
MAGGOTS don't spread disease, FLIES do.

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 02:06:37 PM »
 

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“In the days of weekly collections, it was common to find maggots in waste during hot weather.


I had weekly wheelie bin collections in Newbury for at least 10 years, (probably nearer to 15 if not more), before moving to Swindon.

Not once in all that time did I ever find maggots on, in or near my bin.

Never were any special precautions taken with my waste, e.g double bagging etc.

The bin never got 'ripe'. It never filled slowly with 'bin juice'...but it did get emptied once every week.

Wheelie bins only work if they are appropriate to the property and they are emptied at sensible intervals.  AWC may well work during the colder months, (when we're also indoors), but during the warmer months, when we're outdoors far more, AWC is a rotten idea which has little to do with saving the environmet and everything to do with saving money.

And the real pisser is, we can't really hold anyone accountable for it.... yet   :WTF:

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 08:14:28 PM »
Wheelie Bin, Maggots n SBC

My wheelie has got maggots
Dont know how they got in
I always knot my bags
Keep me lid down on me bin

It could ave been the bag
The one right at the bottom
Had a chicken carcass in it
After 2 weeks surely rotten!

Now the flies they just keep coming
Circling round me bin
Crawling up the side
Trying to crawl in

I called the man from SBC
To see wot he could do
He said that there was nothing
And the bin would be emptied when it was due

Well I got quite annoyed at this
And ranted down the phone
I said next time I have maggots mate
You can give em a home

He said there is no need to be rude
I said oh yes there is
My wheelie bins got maggots mate
And your refuse collection service is shit

I said come and empty me wheelie
And all will be forgiven
He said madam I cannot do that
So I guess I’m maggot ridden

Bloody council innit! :tickedoff:

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 03:44:15 PM »


Odd....

The adver have just published a letter I wrote about this back in December 2007

http://devel.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1900468.0.alternate_weekly_bin_collection_is_a_stinker_of_an_idea.php

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2008, 09:08:32 PM »
Great poem that has to be answered in kind, so here goes.

"A council man called round my house complete with Abacus.
I said to him what can you want with the likes of us.
He said can't you see old chap that I'm one of the council's spies
and the reason I have called is to count your bloody flies."

What are the odds on this job being outsourced to Halcrow.
Everything else seems to be!!
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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 04:13:34 PM »
Some secret survey of the contents of the wheelie bins has just been leaked to Swindon Centric, take a look... (it seems like maggots are the least of our worries)

http://swindoncentric.blogspot.com/

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 04:48:51 PM »
@ swindoncentric - Don't give up the day job would be my advice  ;)

PS - check out the lifecycle of a housefly - you might then understand why two weeks is very definately a different proposition to two weeks.
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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 08:28:53 AM »
My partner and I were up until 1am last night trying to kill the maggots that were crawling out of the wheelie bin, making their way up our garden and crawling up our patio windows.  We've tried bleach, jeyes fluid, boiling water and nothing seems to kill them.  Having rang the council this morning and being told that they "don't do maggots" I don't know what else to try.  Does anyone know if there is a service for maggot extermination in Swindon?

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 09:47:37 AM »
I'm afraid Sully - that your treating the symptom - not the cause. Maggots hatch from the eggs which flies lay - in fact, at this time of year, the lifecycle of a ghousefly can be as swift as ten days from egg to maggot to fly. This is traditionally why rubbish collections were weekly! The only thing I can suggest is to hermetically seal your organic rubbish in plastic - somewhat ironic I know, as the whole policy was supposedly to bring green benefits... but such is life when brains are put into neutral and politicians leap aboard the latest bandwaggon.

All I can suggest is that you try and solve the problem with your vote next election. Given that the wheeliebin policy was promoted by The Labour government (although their hypocritical local representatives claim that they want to bring back weekly collections!) - and our supposed conservative local councillors complied (against the advice of their own spokesperson for local government), I'd recommend you try and find an alternative. What ward are you in? You might find yourself a Swindon First candidate to vote for...
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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 09:53:19 AM »
 
Does anyone know if there is a service for maggot extermination in Swindon?


Unfortunately it's called a local election and there isn't another one until 2010.

It wasn't a fluke that AWC was introduced in the colder months, nor was it random chance that it was adopted just before we have a year off from local elections in Swindon and Euclid street is desperately hoping that:

  • 1. We will have become used to the maggots, flies and stink by the time the 2010 local elections come around

  • 2. It stays nice and cool until the 2010 local elections have gone again.

Whatever happens it's worth remembering that you can't hold the leader of the council accountable unless you live in his ward.....and the same goes for each member of the cabinet.  So unless you live in Dorcan you can't influence Rod Bluh one way or the other, or even hold him accountable with your vote.

But, you're not completely powerless and there is something you can do to send them a message, a very powerful message.

We're petitioning the Borough Council to hold a referendum which will give Swindons 140,000+ voters the opportunity to decide how they want Swindon to be led. Swindon was denied this opportunity in 2001 when a very small group of very self interested councillors made damn sure you didn't get the chance to vote one way or the other.

Sign the 'Elected Mayor Referendum Petition' and let Swindon's councillors know that you are reclaiming your right to be heard.

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 03:33:42 PM »
I don't understand the hysteria about maggots.  So what?  They aren't going to eat you (not whilst you are alive!). At best they provide food for birds and at worst you'll get a few more flies around.  I grew up with maggots - my uncle used to breed them for fishing and kept them in a cold store in our back garden.  They were called Murgetts Monstrous Maggots!

Flies have a particular fondness for cat food.  Don't throw pet food away; chuck left-overs in the garden for hedgehogs and birds to eat, and wash out the cans before recycling them.
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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2008, 03:48:44 PM »
 
 
 ::)  I prefer my bin maggot-free and my garden sans blue-bottles thank you very much.

The thought of blue bottles and other flies stamping around in tossed away half rotted kit-e-kat then landing on my newly barbequed steak and fresh salad isn't pleasant and I don't think my dislike of maggots and bluebottles is 'hysterical'.

I'm quite relieved you're not my neighbour  ;)


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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 06:33:22 PM »
Hi Jarvis,

I think the maggots have had it easy for far too long,
its time to take a stand against all maggot infested wheelies
and send in the lads to exterminate em once and for all.

Maybe SBC should have a maggot recycle unit innit, sort
of like a giant bin where you can dispose of ya maggs and then
anyone doing a spot of fishing could stock up on the maggs.

Just need to find an appropriate location for the 'Recycle a Maggot Today Bin'.  .............  :-X

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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2008, 09:07:50 AM »
Chav
What about the Bus Station?
Your proposed bin would hardly notice if it was placed there and it is for certain no one would notice the smell because it would not be able to compete with the stench of the urine!
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2008, 08:40:42 PM »
Swindon is not alone with the wheelie magg problem



you can send pictures of your bin here: http://moblog.net/binwatch/

you can contact the Mail on line innit, with your smelly bin maggot story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-426899/Smelly-bins-Get-Odour-Eaters.html


NOW FOR SOME FAQS ABOUT MAGGOTS
from: http://www.westlancsdc.gov.uk/refuse__recycling/household_refuse_collections/grey_bin_collections.aspx

Frequently asked questions: about maggots
Q: What are maggots?
A: Maggots are fly larvae, usually of the common housefly and also the bluebottle. Flies are attracted to food and other rubbish; they lay their eggs on the rubbish; later the eggs hatch into maggots. You will only have problems with maggots if flies can get to your waste. If flies settle on your rubbish they may lay eggs, which hatch out as maggots within 24 hours. Flies and maggots have always been around - especially in hot weather - whatever kind of bins or collection service we use. The best approach is to be careful with your waste and ensure that flies can't get at it. Householders in many parts of the country are this year reporting problems with flies and maggots

Q: How can I make sure I don't get problems with maggots in my bin?
A: The first step is to make sure that flies can't get at your rubbish. In fact, wheelie bins are much better at keeping out flies than black bin bags.
· Never leave food uncovered inside the home. Flies may lay eggs on any exposed food, and in warm weather the eggs can hatch within 24 hours.
· Rinse polystyrene food trays and other food packaging that can't be recycled before you put it into the bin.
· Make sure your kitchen waste bin is tightly shut so flies can't get in.
· Wrap waste tightly in plastic bags before putting it into the wheelie bin.
· Make sure there aren't any holes in the bag - for example around the handles - that could let a fly in.
· Squeeze out the air from the bag and tie it tightly.
· Perishable waste like food scraps or pet waste, or disposable nappies, should be double-wrapped.
· Lower the bags gently into the wheelie bin to avoid tears and splits
· Keep the lid of your wheelie bin closed. If your bin lid is broken and won't close, contact the Council.
· If possible, store your wheelie bin out of direct sunlight.
· Hang insecticide strips inside your bin to help control flies if they get in
· Try using Citronella - a natural remedy used in gardens. This will discourage flies as they don't like the smell.

Flies can also be attracted to recycling materials if they aren't clean. So please make sure you wash out food cans, plastic bottles, glass bottles and jars to ensure they don't attract flies.

Q: There are maggots in my bin. What can I do?
A: Try using a fly spray. Also, flies and maggots can be killed with boiling water. You can also try pouring a small amount of warm bleach solution over the waste in the bin. Most of the maggots will go when the bin is emptied. After the bin has been emptied, clean it out with disinfectant or bleach and plenty of water. Try using a cleaning product with a fragrance as this will help to deter flies in future. Spray the inside of the bin with fly spray. Follow the advice given above to avoid problems in the future - make sure that flies can't get at your rubbish.

Q: Can maggots cause health problems?
A: Maggots in wheelie bins will not cause any health problems. Flies are all around no matter what type of collection service is in operation. The best approach is to be careful with your waste and ensure that flies can't get at it. Follow the advice given above - "How can I make sure I don't get problems with maggots in my bin?"

Q: In hot weather, the wheelie bin smells. What can I do?
A: Smells come from rotting rubbish. To minimise smells, put waste into plastic bags, squeeze out the air, and tie tightly. Make sure there are no holes in the bags. Double-wrap food scraps and pet waste. If you use disposable nappies, try emptying solid waste from the nappy down the toilet before double-wrapping the nappy in a plastic bag and putting it into the bin. If possible, keep your wheelie bin in a shady spot, out of direct sunlight. This will help keep it cool. Make sure you wash out your cans and bottles for recycling, too, to ensure they don't attract flies or become smelly.

Q: Why have I got maggots now - I've never had them before?
A: Files and maggots have always been around - it's not a new problem. Many householders will, from time to time, have difficulties with them, especially during hot weather. People all over the country are this year reporting problems with flies and maggots.

Q: Do you expect me to buy fly spray and/or will you reimburse me for the cost of these?
A: Householders are responsible for their household waste and for hygiene at their home. Fly spray can be effective in helping to control flies. The Council cannot reimburse householders for the cost of fly spray or any other cleaning materials they may use at home.

Q: Will the Council come to remove them and if not, why not?
A: When we come to empty your bin, the maggots will be removed with your household waste. After your bin is emptied we advise you to clean it thoroughly with water and disinfectant or bleach - see advice above under "There are maggots in my bin. What can I do?"

Q: I've got rid of them once and now they're back - I double-wrap everything and thoroughly clean all of my containers. What else can I do?
A: If you are having problems with maggots, it is because flies are getting to your waste to lay eggs on it. The eggs hatch out into maggots. Follow the advice above ("How can I make sure I don't get problems with maggots in my bin?") and remember to enforce strict hygiene in your home as well. Flies can lay eggs on food waste left exposed in the kitchen and the eggs later hatch out into maggots after the food has been put into the bin.

Q: I've got children and despite what you say they ARE a health hazard - I'd like an Environmental Health Officer to visit me...when can they come?
A: Environmental Health experts all over the country have given reassurance that this is not a health hazard. However, if you feel you are experiencing exceptional problems, we can arrange for an Environmental Health Officer to visit your home and give advice.

Q: I'm disabled/a pensioner - how do you expect me to clean out my bin on a regular basis/can the Council not clean my bin?
A: We provide assistance, where necessary, to help people present their bins on colllection day but we are not able to assist with cleaning of bins. If you are not able to clean out the bin yourself, we advise you to use one of the professional wheelie bin cleaning services that operate in the area. Also, you should follow the advice above "How can I make sure I don't get problems with maggots in my bin?" to try to make sure the problem doesn't recur.


Q: With regards to excess recyclable waste, how am I supposed to protect these additional bags/containers from maggot infestation?
A: Make sure you wash materials thoroughly before putting them out for recycling - e.g. cans, plastic bottles, glass jars and bottles. This is particularly important when they have contained food. Any smears or scraps of food left behind will start to smell and decay and will attract flies. If the materials are really clean, they will not smell and flies will not be attracted to them.


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Re: Maggots in wheelie bins
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2008, 08:33:44 AM »
According to one programme this week, "maggot juice" ( their secretions) have been found to have been successful in killing off C Diff and MRSA amongst others. It is recognised as being a whole new type of antibiotic- so maybe harvesting them is the answer!   :)
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2008, 09:58:12 AM »
That councils official adive is a combination of untruth - and rank hypocrasy! Wheelie bins and alternate weekly collections were introduced for their supposed environmental benefits - but here we see that the official advice is to:

- rinse polystyrene packaging etc. (using that resource we've all be told to try and save, water...)

- wrap and DOUBLE wrap organic waste  (using those plastic bags we've been told to cut down on using - or which supermarkets have now been encouraged to charge for)

- Use insecticide to control the flies! (using environmentally damaging chemicals)
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