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Title: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Steve Wakefield on May 04, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
I have lived under 10 Primeministers, Tory Eden, took us into Suez, a foriegn policy disaster for Britain and almost ended our relationship with America, fuel rationing, power cuts, short time working followed.

Tory MacMillan (nick name super Mac, and of you've never had it so good speech) commisioned Polaris (Trident forerunner) coined the phrase "Events, mydear boy events" (now where have I heard that?) Did the famous wind of change speech. His governement was rocked by the Profumo case. I remember him as a white haired smiling old man.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home the last Tory Toff I recall as a child that the press, TV and Satire very powerful then (Parody) left the impression on me then that he was weak and out of touch. He only lasted a year.

Harold Wilson, I remember he came in as a saviour he had played hard on the fact that Home was the 14th Earl and out of touch with ordinary folk. Wilson won 4 elections for Labour I recall the 64 (majority of 4) and 66 (majority 96) elections. People believed in him where I lived and when he lost in 1970 it was a shock. I remember election day it was a nice sunny day and rained later we all thought he would win it.

Tory Heath won and this being my formative teens I recall the troubles in Northern Ireland getting darker and deeper,  joining the ECC, which I was against, Thatcher stopping school milk, inflation, cost of living rises almost weekly a prices and incomes policy I think it was called. Fuel shortages and petrol prices rocketting coal miners on strike 3 day week etc.

Then Wilson the pipe smoking Gannex raincoat wearing politician returned to a Hung Parliament in 1974 another election in October 1974 gave him a small majority of 3.  He resigned at  thestart of the  long hot summer of 1976.

Labour Sonny Jim Callaghan he came in and because of the small majority always seemed to be doing deals with minor parties and it was a period of the IMF being called in high inflation and strikes. These at the time were down to a void caused by lack of political leadership in the country.

Tory Thatcher, destructive moniterism policy and allowing banks to reduce the amount of money on deposit and the big bang contributed to the position we are in today, depending on your point of view. Unrest and rioting on the streets and Industrial dog fight to the death along with the Poll Tax, Pension misselling. Does all this outweigh the Falklands? I had no time for Thacher's policies.

Tory John Major inflation and high interest rates Black Wednesday and a man that could eat peas from the back of his fork where is spitting image when you need it!

Labour Tony Blair some sort of messiah two wars and terror spring to mind though Northern Ireland has been at relative peace.

Gordon Brown well here we are what next? Who was worst for me? It is Thatcher. There is a lot to reflect on. That is why I have thought carefully about who I will vote for on Thursday.


 
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Muggins on May 04, 2010, 11:20:20 AM
According to what your politics are, they have all mostly turned out to be numptys of one kind or another.

But Thatcher takes my biscuit for awfulness: I remember her, I remember her well!!

Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: ZPW on May 04, 2010, 03:18:38 PM
David Cameron
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Bobby Bingo on May 04, 2010, 04:36:47 PM
Definitely Thatcher.
I have the video that I recorded named "The Thatcher Years" and the final scene is when she is leaving 10 Downing street in tears.
When I feel depressed I play this short scene and at the end I punch the air with a loud shout of "YES" and then the rest of day is brilliant.
Yes, definitly Thaicher!
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Muggins on May 04, 2010, 06:12:33 PM
Yes, I remember those tears, by watching us she learned how to cry.  :'(

Goodness knows we had enough practice during her years.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: ZPW on May 04, 2010, 06:59:02 PM
David Cameron
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Terry Reynolds on May 04, 2010, 07:38:39 PM
I remember the song, things can only get better, well we have years of sleaze and more sleaze, mass immigration on a level not known before, to a state where cities like Leicester is now run by immigrants and the british man is the outsider, where gold was sold at a knock down price, which was worse than Black wednesday and lost us much more, where our defence is now a  level never know before, when Major lost out in '97, unemployment had gone down for the previous 22 months, the economey was on a sound footing, so good that Bliar used the tory plans for the next 3 years, before purdence cocked it up completely and ruined the economy, the pensions of millions, unemployment is now worse than since'94, and he was on a stand at Sunderland the other day, boasting that he had brought 2 million jobs to the north east, he didnt say how many went to british workers and how many went to outsiders,
there are factories now where you have to be a immigrant, just to get a job,
everybody throws bricks at maggie, look at the state of the country when she took over, who was to blame for that, and remember that was brought about because we were almost bankrupt and now we are nearly 3 trillion pounds in debt, nearly as bad if not worse than Greece,
today in the papers you can read how our navy has been sold off wholemeal, over 40 ships gone since '97, two of them were actually given away to Lithuania, two type 22 destroyers were sold to  Romainia for 116 million, but after the government paid for both ships to be refurbished before the sale, all we got was 200,000 pounds some deal that, the replacement ship for Galahad has also been sold off,
Bangladesh even got 5 of the ships for just 8 million, remember this  is the country, when we gave them some helicopters, complained because we never gave them any spares...
The 'lady for Swindon South', couldnt make her mind up if it was wrote on her forehead, I think they are called lobby fodder, with good reason, what about the wishes of the people who voted for her and the town she is meant to represent.
AFinally a questin and answer to end.
four most likely things prudence to say when the final result comes through.
a. Its just ridiculous
b. whoever did the counting is just some sort of bigot.
c. who was responsible for this
d. this wont be forgotten.... :2funny:
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Ringer on May 04, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
Kohima

Talking of Navy Cuts not the smoke but the slashing under Thatcher John Nott remember "here today gone tomorrow" and so was the Royal Navy thanks to him, if the Falklands had happened 3 months later the Royal Navy could not have responded.  Kohima I did not realise that Anne was a primeminister so who is your worst primeminister? Otherwise your last post would probably be better in who would I  vote for and why; clues are not required just an answer. Who is your worst primeminister? :2funny:
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Chav on May 04, 2010, 09:05:40 PM
I have lived under 10 Primeministers, Tory Eden, took us into Suez, a foriegn policy disaster for Britain and almost ended our relationship with America, fuel rationing, power cuts, short time working followed.

Tory MacMillan (nick name super Mac, and of you've never had it so good speech) commisioned Polaris (Trident forerunner) coined the phrase "Events, mydear boy events" (now where have I heard that?) Did the famous wind of change speech. His governement was rocked by the Profumo case. I remember him as a white haired smiling old man.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home the last Tory Toff I recall as a child that the press, TV and Satire very powerful then (Parody) left the impression on me then that he was weak and out of touch. He only lasted a year.

Harold Wilson, I remember he came in as a saviour he had played hard on the fact that Home was the 14th Earl and out of touch with ordinary folk. Wilson won 4 elections for Labour I recall the 64 (majority of 4) and 66 (majority 96) elections. People believed in him where I lived and when he lost in 1970 it was a shock. I remember election day it was a nice sunny day and rained later we all thought he would win it.

Tory Heath won and this being my formative teens I recall the troubles in Northern Ireland getting darker and deeper,  joining the ECC, which I was against, Thatcher stopping school milk, inflation, cost of living rises almost weekly a prices and incomes policy I think it was called. Fuel shortages and petrol prices rocketting coal miners on strike 3 day week etc.

Then Wilson the pipe smoking Gannex raincoat wearing politician returned to a Hung Parliament in 1974 another election in October 1974 gave him a small majority of 3.  He resigned at  thestart of the  long hot summer of 1976.

Labour Sonny Jim Callaghan he came in and because of the small majority always seemed to be doing deals with minor parties and it was a period of the IMF being called in high inflation and strikes. These at the time were down to a void caused by lack of political leadership in the country.

Tory Thatcher, destructive moniterism policy and allowing banks to reduce the amount of money on deposit and the big bang contributed to the position we are in today, depending on your point of view. Unrest and rioting on the streets and Industrial dog fight to the death along with the Poll Tax, Pension misselling. Does all this outweigh the Falklands? I had no time for Thacher's policies.

Tory John Major inflation and high interest rates Black Wednesday and a man that could eat peas from the back of his fork where is spitting image when you need it!

Labour Tony Blair some sort of messiah two wars and terror spring to mind though Northern Ireland has been at relative peace.

Gordon Brown well here we are what next? Who was worst for me? It is Thatcher. There is a lot to reflect on. That is why I have thought carefully about who I will vote for on Thursday.

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Steve Wakefield on May 04, 2010, 10:01:30 PM

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

No as I have said Thatcher was by far the worst, by a long way infact, next was Major both combined were a disaster.
 
I have never made any secret of the fact that I was somewhere left of Tony Blair when I was in the Tories, it used to be a broad church a one nation outfit after its obliteration in 1997.  The party has been hijacked and talks of change, but that is the last thing it wants.

Like you I have to wait for Thursday, I wonder who you will vote for Locally and Nationally?  :azn:
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Mart on May 04, 2010, 10:16:36 PM
I think that it is increasingly foolish to expect the effective governance of a country and the proper provision of it's services to be placed in the hands of political parties. I cannot for the life of me see the relevance of an adherence to a relatively narrow and restrictive political dogma to something as important as running a country. It always disappoints, that's why we have elections or, in less patient countries, coups.

Nevertheless, it is what we have, and I am, in reality, fundamentally obedient.

I believe we have been on a steadily climbing arc of stupidity and ineptitude, each successive numbskull  (and their lackeys, chums and wheel greasers) being able to perform previously unthinkable acts of ineptitude because our expectations have steadily been ratcheting down (ratchet = small mouseshit, ha ha). What would previously have stunned you into rioting (I'm sorry, I know that doesn't work but it made me smile) gets a harumph, perhaps a feck, or in my case a mumbled 'twat' every time I see the object of my ire on the telly. In the case of Balls I sometimes have to take a seat, just to give me time to let it all out. It is not beyond the realms of possibility he could be candidate for the crown of worst PM one day. Which is a worry.

A specific example would be this country's EU membership and the onerous duty placed upon us by that membership (in my view) it's as far away from a common market as I can imagine, closer in fact to the unified state envisioned by Napoleon or Hitler, the crack troops this time being bureaucrats. (there's a row for another day).

I'd probably plump for Heath as the nincompoop of that moment, but his lash up has been steadily compounded ever since, and it will get worse before it get's better.

You can remember an armed forces that once protected democracy and enjoyed a nobility because of the sacrifices it made, now, it imposes democracy as a kind of subcontractor. That in no way diminishes the individuals who makeup our armed forces, it does however highlight for me the steady decline in quality of their masters. The clincher in that argument being Bob Ainsworth.

National Health, a magnificent concept. Capable of stunning feats of medicine, but somehow lacking an essential humanity, we all have our stories where individual acts of nurses and doctors inspired our gratitude, but too many of us have our stories where thoughtfulness and a lack of respect for dignity have upset us. The NHS is so much better, yet simultaneously so much worse. I blame successive polticians who have seen twiddling and fiddling as a vote winner. It's supposed to be a life saver.

Public transport, education, utilities. All have individual aspects that are brilliant, but they lack a certain something that I, personally, feel they had and I struggle to describe or name. I can only put it as a kind of erosion of very basic values, a crystal clear view of the purpose of each institution and a commitment to ensure that purpose is met. I blame successive politicians who have given, in some cases, to each body sparkling trinkets and baubles , but too often forget the value of a good sensible set of undergarments or sensible shoes, but they ain't headline stuff are they?

So, nobody undoes the wrongs of the previous incumbents, they just slather on another layer of what they are pleased to tell us we asked for, yet we have only the vaguest recollection of.

The answer to the question is very simple.

The worst Prime Minister is always the last one.

Later this week we will have identified our next worst Primie Minister.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Chav on May 04, 2010, 10:56:50 PM

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

No as I have said Thatcher was by far the worst, by a long way infact, next was Major both combined were a disaster.
 
I have never made any secret of the fact that I was somewhere left of Tony Blair when I was in the Tories, it used to be a broad church a one nation outfit after its obliteration in 1997.  The party has been hijacked and talks of change, but that is the last thing it wants.

Like you I have to wait for Thursday, I wonder who you will vote for Locally and Nationally?  :azn:

My votes will differ locally and nationally
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: komadori on May 05, 2010, 12:00:12 AM
From the 7 Prime Ministers I have to chose from, I think I'd put Mr Callaghan as the worst - like Mr Major he oft gave the impression of being in government without being in power - closely followed by Mr Heath purely for taking us into the EEC.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Jean on May 05, 2010, 10:20:04 AM
Without a shadow of doubt - Margaret Thatcher was the worst Prime Minister in my life-time. 

Which leader might have made the best Prime Minister? Michael Foot.

However as my mum used to say, "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in."
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Richard Symonds on May 05, 2010, 11:07:04 AM
David Cameron

Has he been elected in my absence?

Having read Steve W's precis I think there all were pretty awful in their own particular way but the name Blair alway comes into my mind as he thought he could change anything irespective of its merits.  Change for Changes Sake, what a disaster and today we reap what he has sown, poor old Britain.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: BombDoctor on May 05, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Brown, followed closely by Blair.

5 close mate's came home in wooden boxes thanks to:

One of them being a lying decieptfull spiv, who cared more about sucking up to Bush than doing the right thing.

The other one being, not prudent, but a wastefull financial illiterate who's blown the countries credit card on fripperies while denying others he didn't like the basics needed to give them a fighting chance.

Sod the pair of them.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Muggins on May 05, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Off subject a bit I know, but often on TS threads the EU is mentioned with contempt, and I'm not offering an opinion either way.  But somewhere here,  when I have the time to get to the bottom of the back of the wardrobe, I'll get out the leaflets delivered to every house prior to the referendom on joining the EU.  (I always knew they'd come in handy one day!) 

As a young mother, I had much more important things to do than worry my head about than in-depth politics.  However I dutifully read the leaflets and the thing that got me out to vote and for joining the EU was - at the time - ALL political parties AGREED they were for it.   I was so impressed by that, it swung my vote.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Richard Symonds on May 05, 2010, 04:00:31 PM
Off subject a bit I know, but often on TS threads the EU is mentioned with contempt, and I'm not offering an opinion either way.  But somewhere here,  when I have the time to get to the bottom of the back of the wardrobe, I'll get out the leaflets delivered to every house prior to the referendom on joining the EU.  (I always knew they'd come in handy one day!) 

As a young mother, I had much more important things to do than worry my head about than in-depth politics.  However I dutifully read the leaflets and the thing that got me out to vote and for joining the EU was - at the time - ALL political parties AGREED they were for it.   I was so impressed by that, it swung my vote.

But Muggins most of us who voted to stay in did so in the belief it was a trading union and not a political one.  Had I known what it would become I would have voted against it and I suspect so would the majority of the British people irespective of political affiliations.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Ringer on May 05, 2010, 05:12:49 PM
Thatcher did more than anyone to handcuff us to Europe and Major did this as well with the Masstrick treaty or whatever it was called.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Terry Reynolds on May 05, 2010, 07:05:12 PM
Brown told the world that he was going to sell off our gold reserves and next day the price was around 285$ an ounce, and he sold nearly 400 tonnes of it, and lost more money than anything on record, then he went and gave that nerd Fred Goodwin a knighthood for 'services to banking', and then RBS had the biggest near bankrupt state on record.. some economic adviser he is.... :2funny:
or you could think of Kinnock who went to the polls with a manifesto of total pull out from the EU, got drummed out of service, and then went and got himself and his wife a gold plated job in the EU, never once blushed..
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Tea Boy on May 06, 2010, 12:17:38 AM
Steps onto soap box.................

Thatcher definately, shes the one who set UK plc on course to the mess we are in.....


If she didn't start it, she and her tory pay masters engineered it by policies set out during her terms in office

State funeral for her? i don't think so, it would be a travesty if they did, she might of thought she was the Queen, but in the end she was a deluded, derided and despised prime minister, deposed of by her own party in a bid to remain in power, without the most unpopular prime minister of all time draging them under. 

Best put her in the ground for the worms to get at, somewhere with 24 hour security... otherwise it could be the most vandalised grave in the country


in comparison, Major was just a holy than though sexual hypocite who thought that people losing thier homes through 15% interest rates was a good idea.....Twat



steps off soap box and goes for cold shower...............
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Karsten on May 06, 2010, 01:01:20 AM
Without a shadow of doubt - Margaret Thatcher was the worst Prime Minister in my life-time. 

Which leader might have made the best Prime Minister? Michael Foot.

However as my mum used to say, "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in."


That quote is sooo close to the truth. >:(. colour doesn't matter.
It is the people who stay in power, no matter who people elect, that have the real power.   
You also have the party whips  :bottom: to ensure MP's don't vote with their heart..

That's why Mrs T loved the sitcom Yes! Minister.  and why some people in SBC earn more than Mr Brown.

I want to have true Independent electoral reform.  :argh:   None of the party politicians will ask for that. 

If you are undecided  :WTF:  see what I stand for     http://www.swindon.org.uk/election/elected.htm (http://www.swindon.org.uk/election/elected.htm)


Karsten Evans
South Swindon Protest Vote candidate
E: karsten@swindon.org.ukW: http://www.swindon.org.uk (http://www.swindon.org.uk)
B: http://swindonorguk.blogware.com (http://swindonorguk.blogware.com)
http://www.swindon.org.uk/election/never_mind_the_bollocks_poster.jpg (http://www.swindon.org.uk/election/never_mind_the_bollocks_poster.jpg)    :banana:
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Alex on May 06, 2010, 07:23:27 AM
Beautifully put Tea Boy, having watched the mental health of people deteriorate in the pressurised society Thatcher created where people cannot plan for a future,  feel utterly disillusioned and disempowered, where any sense of security has vanished so that they can't be as altruistic as they woudl like to be and communities find it difficult to exist as presenteeism takes over inthe workplace in order for them to retain a job, I agree wholeheartedly.

Research shows that people are actually much happier and less stressed when they are able to give of themselves, their time, even their body parts. I've watched employers who had been nationalised change as they were privatised and sold off, from being  altruistic and genuinely concerned about their emplyees' welfare to denying their staff the time to even give blood, people have to weigh up whether they can afford time off work to look after their children or partners if they have serious illnesses.

 Thatcher has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Muggins on May 06, 2010, 07:38:16 AM
Well put Alex,  but whilst we are blaming Thatcher, she couldn't have done it without the agreement of her cabinet and geovernment.  No one seemed to rein her in, so I can only assume that a lot of people where of the same selfish mind.  Sort of makes you feel sick doesn't it. 

Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Don't waste your vote today - aye!

Had a titter at the state funeral, I think people would be grabbing flowers off the car - not thowing them at it, like they did for Diana. If indeed they mad eth effort to turn out. She could be the master of her own poorly attended funeral.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Tea Boy on May 06, 2010, 08:45:15 AM
Well put Alex,  but whilst we are blaming Thatcher, she couldn't have done it without the agreement of her cabinet and geovernment.  No one seemed to rein her in, so I can only assume that a lot of people where of the same selfish mind.  Sort of makes you feel sick doesn't it. 

Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Don't waste your vote today - aye!

I have had some difficulty deciding which way to vote, however I had a moment of clarity last night. Hence, I shall go forth this morning, vote, and then rest in the knowledge of what i voted for and why.

Yes, muggins, that people of a certain mind set, who still revered that sad deluded old w*****, are still out there, wanting to be 'in charge' does make me nauseous.

It also makes me very worried, worried for myself in the short term, worried for the generations to come, whose lives will be shaped by a political ideology which she championed and fostered and worried that money (and the love of money) will become the driving factor in our society.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: ph1lc on May 06, 2010, 08:58:43 AM
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Richard Symonds on May 06, 2010, 09:15:59 AM
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?

Would you want the cost of a by election to our cash strapped council ph1Ic as Councillor Wakefield is up for election next year?
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Bobby Bingo on May 06, 2010, 09:24:26 AM
It is a pity that I do not live in Steve's ward because he would get my vote.
He is true a socialist and a man that says it as it is.
Bluh nominated by Buckland for a peerage? What a joke!
My reply is "Arise Sir Steve"
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Tea Boy on May 06, 2010, 09:52:23 AM
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?

Would you want the cost of a by election to our cash strapped council ph1Ic as Councillor Wakefield is up for election next year?


It does seem somewhat of a shame that local councillors need to be tied to a party, what is up with men, and ladies, of good conscience, representing the constituents of their ward, irrespective of political hue.

All indications i have seen, read and heard, from many sources, point to Cllr Wakefield being an active member of the council, a champion of his ward and a proactive campaigner for those things in swindon which he has and continues to promote :angel: (Steve, you can pop the cheque in the post.... ;D)..... more than i can say for certain individuals, of the red or blue variety, who should stop playing favorites or party political games with public money.

Let the people of his ward have thier say in due course. I don't know how much an early election would cost, but the money would be better off spent on issues relating to that ward than on an unnessary election which is not too far in the future.

I wonder how much a council by election costs? £20k,£50k,£70k, thats a lot of dosh to lay out just because someone re-evalutes thier political allegiances. Now if he had done that and was missing council meetings, failing to engage and became uncontactable it might be different......

 
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: ph1lc on May 06, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
Teaboy, I quite agree a council without party politics can only be good for Swindon.

I live in Toothill, and Cllr Wakefield is an excellent Councillor. If he's got the balls to go for it. I'll gladly help his campaign. It's got to be the best way to get rid of Bluh and his cronies!!
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Mart on May 06, 2010, 08:22:57 PM
I'm sticking to my guns, the worst Prime Minister is always the last one.

Thatcher is frequently cited as a right malicious old cow, maybe she was, but Major, Blair and Brown have had 20 years between them to eradicate her legacy. Two of them confessed to being directly opposed to her and all that she stood for.

We were promised change, change and more change and reminded that things could only get better.

Slating Thatcher has as much relevance as slagging off Walpole for the lash up at the Battle of Cartagena.

What you are essentially voting for is Big Mac or Whopper though Kentucky has latterly shown a surge of favour.

I'm voting sushi.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Muggins on May 06, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
Where were you in the Thatcher years then Mart. Some things get really deeply ingrained.  Nothing will iradicate that memory.


I can't remember Walpole.......................Have you been at the ketchup again?

Go and vote - you'll feel better for it.  ::)
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Mart on May 06, 2010, 08:55:52 PM
Defending pinko liberals from the Soviet threat for the first 6 years, not quite a REMF as I was attached to an outfit that had a commitment to be in harms way, but as near as makes no difference. so she was kind of a pin-up.

After that I was a feckless singleton finally making my first abortive attempt at a relationship and property ownership in the last 5 years of her reign. She did me no lasting harm that I recognised, there are others since who have made more of an impression.

I did vote at early o'clock, then again at lunchtime and several times this evening.

(Only the first bit is true)

Perhaps my Brown is your Thatcher?
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Simon on May 06, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Yep, her legacy lives on, not only in her party but in the heads of the electorate too. It's all about me, me, me, and who cares how it affects anyone else. While this continues to be an attitude which is considered acceptable by the general public, we will never achieve a just and equitable society.

I'm not old enough to comment on some of the earlier PMs which Steve has listed, so I'll declare a draw between Thatcher and Blair as the worst PMs I have known, with awards to Major and Brown for worst best supporting actor.
Title: Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
Post by: Mart on May 06, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
Clearly an old list as my nomination is missing, but it is largely a roll of obscurity to me, which kind of supports my burger argument  (wonder if that is where 'honest burghers' come from? Ha ha)

Sir Robert Walpole, 1721-42
Spencer Compton, 1742-43
Henry Pelham Whig, 1743-54
Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1754-56
William Cavendish, 1756-57
William Pitt Whig, 1757-61
Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1761-62
John Stuart, - 1762-63
George Grenville, 1763-65
Charles Watson-Wentworth, 1765-66
William Pit, 1766-68
Augustus Fitzroy, 768-70
Frederick North, 1770-82
Charles Watson-Wentworth, 1782
William Petty FitzMaurice, 1782-83
William Henry Cavendish Bentinck, 1783
William Pitt the Younger, 1783-1801
Henry Addington,
William Pitt the Younger, 1804-06
William Wyndham Grenville, 1806-07
William Henry Cavendish Bentinck, 1807-09
Spencer Perceval, 1809-12
Robert Banks Jenkinson, 1812-27
George Canning, 1827
Frederick John Robinson, 1827-28
Arthur Wellesley (Wellington), 1828-30
Charles Grey, 1830-34
William Lamb, 1834
Robert Peel, 1834-35
William Lamb, 1835-41
Robert Peel, 1841-46
John Russell, 1846-52
Lord Derby, 1852, 1858-59
Viscount Palmerston, 1855-65
Lord Derby, 1866-68
Benjamin Disraeli, 1868
William Gladstone, 1868-74
Benjamin Disraeli, 1874-80
William Gladstone, 1880-85
Lord Salisbury, 1885-86
William Gladstone, 1896
Lord Salisbury, 1886-92
William Gladstone, 1892-94
Archibald Philip Primerose,
Arthur James Balfour, 1902-05
Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman, 1905-08
Herbert Henry Asquith, 1908-16
David Lloyd George, 1916-22
Andrew Bonar Law, 1922-23
Stanley Baldwin, 1923-24
James Ramsay MacDonald, 1924
Stanley Baldwin, 1924-29
James Ramsay MacDonald, 1929-35
Stanley Baldwin, 1935-37
Neville Chamberlain, 1937-40
Sir Winston Churchill, 1940-45
Clement Atlee, 1945-51
Sir Winston Churchill, 1951-55
Anthony Eden, 1955-57
Harold Macmillan, 1957-63
Alexander Douglas-Home, 1963-64
Harold Wilson, 1964-70
Edward Heath, 1970-74
Harold Wilson, 1974-76
James Callaghan, 1976-79
Margaret Thatcher, 1979-90
John Major, 1990-97
Tony Blair, 1997-


Robert Banks Jenkinson! Who he?