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Town Planning, Housing Developments, Transport & Education => Tadpole Farm Development => Topic started by: Mellon on February 02, 2010, 02:50:38 PM

Title: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 02, 2010, 02:50:38 PM
So justin, if labour have stepped up their campaign, shouldnt  you aswell?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 02, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
So justin, if labour have stepped up their campaign, shouldnt  you aswell?

In what way? 

I can only do as much as I have helpers and resources, but if you think we are missing anything in particular please do say.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 02, 2010, 02:58:02 PM
Sorry, my phones messing about . I wasn't supposed to start a new topic.

To answer your question

Should you not double your efforts with the resources you have and/or try recruiting new helpers ??
Have you drawn up  an effective coverage plan to help maximise the coverage of your campaign??
And lastly meeting the good people themselves because surely you work for them??
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 02, 2010, 03:05:37 PM
Yes, yes and yes.  :)

Certainly though the more helpers I could recruit, the more that could be done.

I do spend a lot of time meeting residents, though there are 74000 in North Swindon so it is no quick task.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 02, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Justin,

good to see you are out and about.  How many doors have you done today?

I hope admin put this back under the thread of Labour Activists Assault Borough and will you please tell where the link is to Victors remarks about you not living in the borough please as that is dirty politics implying something that cannot be substantiated
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 02, 2010, 03:44:39 PM
Yes more helpers would indeed help the war on voters of the mass decissive , but it seems you've been slightly relaxed about all this
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Tea Boy on February 02, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
So justin, if labour have stepped up their campaign, shouldnt  you aswell?

In what way? 

I can only do as much as I have helpers and resources, but if you think we are missing anything in particular please do say.

Why not get those pro-hunt supoporters to help, just  like you utilised them last time.

Maybe this time you might want to let them know that not every tory voter automatically supports or believes their cause to be just.

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 03, 2010, 02:59:44 PM
On the subject of working hard I reminded of myself of a very recent memory, yesterday infact. Whilst I was out for a cycle with a friend we came across Tadpole Farm and an interesting discussion presented itself....several questions arose and some where answered by ourselves and a few from other sources , however I find myself wanting on a questionable trail with several differant tangents, with no clear path of answers to follow, I'm just going to jump in like a fat kid on a muffin....

1. If the developer had initially said they wanted to go upto the local development limit of 1,000 homes, why is it that they now want to build 3,000????
2.If 3,000 homes are to be built, how will the local infrastructure be supported by the extra pressure???
3.How will the traffic flow be regulated?? As there is a school opposite the proposed site.
4.Will the speed limit of tadpole lane be reduced from 50 to 30/20?? As it will indeed be a residential zone.(Question for Mr Greenhalgh).
5.Why was the North Swindon MP not present at the RSS meeting to discuss/reject the proposed rise in homes being built?? (Question for Mr Tomlinson)

So gentleman .....working hard or hardly working??

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 03, 2010, 03:36:28 PM
Mellon,

Surely you do not expect any answers to your questions?

Cabinet members and prospectives don't answer questions.......

usually - lets hope they do so now!!

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 03, 2010, 03:56:23 PM
Well if the questions go un-answered than they will be shown to be sitting on an important issue that will affect a great deal of swindon residents, if the councillors decide or are told not to answer simple questions from a resident than they show a blatant dis-regard for the residents of their wards....but we will have to wait and see
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 03, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
Mellon,

As you say we shall have to wait and see.  Your optimism that we shall be given answers is refreshing, I hope you are not disappointed
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 04, 2010, 01:47:55 PM
Mellon,

Surely you do not expect any answers to your questions?

Cabinet members and prospectives don't answer questions.......

usually - lets hope they do so now!!
Richard, have I ever not responded to any e-mails you have sent to me in the past?

I would also advise people to contact Councillors and PPCs directly rather than posting questions from anonymous logins on this site.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 04, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
But surely if people wish to post under a differant name on a discussion board than that is their decision, if I were to contact you directly I would use the same name I have here due to the simple fact that 'mellon' is my nickname and the name I prefer people to call me by AND even further so as TS is an open site for topics of interest and is widely open to the public and councillors alike than whatever is said in any correspondence can also be posted here, besides if the public could get real answers from their local councillors than talkswindon would not exist as more than a social site, besides if we cannot ask questions than there is no democracy........
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 04, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
Mellon,

Surely you do not expect any answers to your questions?

Cabinet members and prospectives don't answer questions.......

usually - lets hope they do so now!!
Richard, have I ever not responded to any e-mails you have sent to me in the past?

I would also advise people to contact Councillors and PPCs directly rather than posting questions from anonymous logins on this site.

Councillor Keith I don't know why you come on here to intimidate me because you have no way of proving my identity.  This is one reason why I would NEVER USE THE WI-FI SYSTEM because you would be able to monitor everything I did and said!!

Councillor Glaholm has complained in numerous occasions in council and outside that Councillor Greenhalgh never responds to anything sent to him.  I don't personally bother because I KNOW  he won't respond so save my energy.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Dougal on February 04, 2010, 03:59:59 PM
 
Richard, have I ever not responded to any e-mails you have sent to me in the past?

Ah, that's an ethical minefield I think you, as an IT professional, should know to avoid.  Your statement suggests you believe Richard Shaw is the same person you have communicated with via other means.  Admin asks you to consider how the other 'Richard', or indeed an official body, might view referring to their communications being used in a fishing trip on an open forum?

A right to anonymity still exists in British law and Data Protection legislation still protects it, as does the Talkswindon forum.  If you do not agree with this please start a thread to discuss it.


An elected councillor publicly engaging in trying to 'out' another forum member who may, or may not be using a pseudonym to post his or her opinions on a public forum, will inevitably lead to speculation as to how many elected members may also be posting using pseudonyms.

Forum Admins are aware that some members, including councillors, are repeatedly using the personal message and forum email system to contact other members who they wish to 'identify' and attempting to determine who they are by the responses given. This is not acceptable.

It is not acceptable for elected members to treat members of Talkswindon as if they are 'under the political whip'. They are not.

Use of the forum PM and email system will be denied to any councillor engaging in these activities and assistance given to any forum member if they chose to complain officially about councillors conduct towards them on this forum.


I would also advise people to contact Councillors and PPCs directly rather than posting questions from anonymous logins on this site.

Would you please you clarify this statement.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Abnormal Load on February 04, 2010, 07:16:17 PM
A right to anonymity still exists in British law and Data Protection legislation still protects it, as does the Talkswindon forum.  If you do not agree with this please start a thread to discuss it.

Dougal, does this mean that Ts will not disclose users identity or ISP?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 04, 2010, 09:32:13 PM
If I'm correct TS does not have the right to disclose that information, anyway this thread has been diverted may I ask the admins to split this thread in two.....also, justin your being very quiet ??
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: DaveWood on February 04, 2010, 10:19:13 PM
So justin, if labour have stepped up their campaign, shouldnt  you aswell?

Electorally speaking a last minute scramble might look more impressive than a solid, sustained effort but - by-elections aside - it's rarely effective.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 04, 2010, 11:15:06 PM
Good obersavtion Mr Wood , however knocking on the door and speaking to the people would have greater effect than a leaflet through the door?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: DaveWood on February 04, 2010, 11:16:15 PM
Good obersavtion Mr Wood , however knocking on the door and speaking to the people would have greater effect than a leaflet through the door?

Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 05, 2010, 12:06:39 AM
Richard, have I ever not responded to any e-mails you have sent to me in the past?

Ah, that's an ethical minefield I think you, as an IT professional, should know to avoid.  Your statement suggests you believe Richard Shaw is the same person you have communicated with via other means.  Admin asks you to consider how the other 'Richard', or indeed an official body, might view referring to their communications being used in a fishing trip on an open forum?

A right to anonymity still exists in British law and Data Protection legislation still protects it, as does the Talkswindon forum.  If you do not agree with this please start a thread to discuss it.


An elected councillor publicly engaging in trying to 'out' another forum member who may, or may not be using a pseudonym to post his or her opinions on a public forum, will inevitably lead to speculation as to how many elected members may also be posting using pseudonyms.

Forum Admins are aware that some members, including councillors, are repeatedly using the personal message and forum email system to contact other members who they wish to 'identify' and attempting to determine who they are by the responses given. This is not acceptable.

It is not acceptable for elected members to treat members of Talkswindon as if they are 'under the political whip'. They are not.

Use of the forum PM and email system will be denied to any councillor engaging in these activities and assistance given to any forum member if they chose to complain officially about councillors conduct towards them on this forum.


I would also advise people to contact Councillors and PPCs directly rather than posting questions from anonymous logins on this site.

Would you please you clarify this statement.

All I am saying is that only a few Councillors read this site so the chance of the one you are wanting a response from actually responding is slim. Much better to look up their contact details on the Borough website and send them an e-mail directly. If they don't reply then you have every right to complain.

Sorry if you feel intimidated Richard, that wasn't my intention. Judging by the nature of the comments you have posted I suspect you are made of sterner stuff anyway.

I don't believe I have used the forum PM and e-mail system to attempt to identify people either. In fact I haven't used either at all for a few months. I assume you are referring to someone else?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 05, 2010, 01:45:16 AM
Keith, the gentleman I am questioning is a regular contributor and reader of talkswindon so your arguement is contradictory in itself by implying that the person I am questioning is not the person I wish to question, when infact it is  , if however the person I wish to question is not on talkswindon I would try other means of contacting them......and as an after thoughtif you think im asking the wrong person perhaps YOU could shine some light on Tadpole Farm. If you have difficulty with remembering the questions, here they are again

1. If the developer had initially said they wanted to go upto the local development limit of 1,000 homes, why is it that they now want to build 3,000????
2.If 3,000 homes are to be built, how will the local infrastructure be supported by the extra pressure???
3.How will the traffic flow be regulated?? As there is a school opposite the proposed site.
4.Will the speed limit of tadpole lane be reduced from 50 to 30/20?? As it will indeed be a residential zone.(Question for Mr Greenhalgh).
5.Why was the North Swindon MP not present at the RSS meeting to discuss/reject the proposed rise in homes being built?? (Question for Mr Tomlinson)

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: cyfish on February 05, 2010, 02:31:32 AM
I have just noticed that Kieth is the councillor for my area in shaw, this has surprised me as reading the previous posts i can understand that there are alot of people in the area involved. How ever i would have thought that in the past 19 yrs that i have lived here there would have been enough time to visit a majority if not all of the area affected, however i do not recall at any point any member of any party knocking on my door. :-( With this in mind i would like to ask if i am wrong to think that perhaps only the areas considered to be important actually get a local MP visiting and then only if there is time the other areas then get the privelidge?!!

Cyfish :-)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 05, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
I have just noticed that Kieth is the councillor for my area in shaw, this has surprised me as reading the previous posts i can understand that there are alot of people in the area involved. How ever i would have thought that in the past 19 yrs that i have lived here there would have been enough time to visit a majority if not all of the area affected, however i do not recall at any point any member of any party knocking on my door. :-( With this in mind i would like to ask if i am wrong to think that perhaps only the areas considered to be important actually get a local MP visiting and then only if there is time the other areas then get the privelidge?!!

Cyfish :-)

they only go to the homes that are closest to the polling station......
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: cyfish on February 05, 2010, 02:37:21 AM
Mmmm Interesting as my closest polling station is only a mere 4 and half minutes walk away....
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 05, 2010, 10:42:40 AM
Interesting indeed as it seems there are now 2 councillors who have a very relaxed, I refer back to a previous post,  working hard or hardly working? .

So Mr Tomlinson and Keith are you going to grace us with a comment on Tadpole Farm?? Or sit back relaxed, whilst enjoying high tea and surfing the internet? ?   
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 05, 2010, 02:09:47 PM
Interesting indeed as it seems there are now 2 councillors who have a very relaxed, I refer back to a previous post,  working hard or hardly working? .

So Mr Tomlinson and Keith are you going to grace us with a comment on Tadpole Farm?? Or sit back relaxed, whilst enjoying high tea and surfing the internet? ?   

Sorry for the delay (please remember though I am not on Talk Swindon 24-7)...

Answers...

1 - Typical developers, they try to squeeze as many houses as possible onto a site to maximise profits.  Whilst we accept they own this land (Tadpole Farm) and that it has outline planning permission the same as the rest of the Northern Sector and therefore development will happen, they can't have it all their own way.  It is actually 2500 houses they are pushing for, whilst we believe 1500/2000 is the absolute maximum.
2 - That is a key question and why we oppose more than 1500/2000 houses as we feel that would exceed the local infrsatructure, in particular the exisiting residential roads.  In addition it is important that we have new schools etc in place before and not after the demand comes online.
3 - This is something the developers are investigating at the moment, and working with the excellent redhouse Residents Association and the Parish Council we are making sure any potential plans have the minimum impact on existing residential areas / roads.
4 - That is something that will be looked at further down the line, ie when they have proposals for the development / traffic movements, however I would expect this to be the case.
5 - I can't answer for Michael Wills MP.  As a Councillor (and local resident) I am leading on discussions with the developers to make sure they have a CRYSTAL clear idea of what won't be acceptable.


As it stands the developers are working on draft plans which I believe they will have later in the year (probably Autumn) for which we will then distribute to all local residents and organise various public meetings / consultation to make sure we get the best possible development possible.  I certainly dont expect a Christmas Card from the developers who won't have liked what I have said to them, but I do expect a good development as we will be living here for many generations.  I

This is a really brief summary of the issue, I have a much more detailed breakdown which I am pulling together.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 05, 2010, 03:05:30 PM
Interesting indeed as it seems there are now 2 councillors who have a very relaxed, I refer back to a previous post,  working hard or hardly working? .

So Mr Tomlinson and Keith are you going to grace us with a comment on Tadpole Farm?? Or sit back relaxed, whilst enjoying high tea and surfing the internet? ?   

Who is up for election this year in Shaw and Nine Elms?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 05, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
Interesting indeed as it seems there are now 2 councillors who have a very relaxed, I refer back to a previous post,  working hard or hardly working? .

So Mr Tomlinson and Keith are you going to grace us with a comment on Tadpole Farm?? Or sit back relaxed, whilst enjoying high tea and surfing the internet? ?   

Sorry for the delay (please remember though I am not on Talk Swindon 24-7)...

Answers...

1 - Typical developers, they try to squeeze as many houses as possible onto a site to maximise profits.  Whilst we accept they own this land (Tadpole Farm) and that it has outline planning permission the same as the rest of the Northern Sector and therefore development will happen, they can't have it all their own way.  It is actually 2500 houses they are pushing for, whilst we believe 1500/2000 is the absolute maximum.
2 - That is a key question and why we oppose more than 1500/2000 houses as we feel that would exceed the local infrsatructure, in particular the exisiting residential roads.  In addition it is important that we have new schools etc in place before and not after the demand comes online.
3 - This is something the developers are investigating at the moment, and working with the excellent redhouse Residents Association and the Parish Council we are making sure any potential plans have the minimum impact on existing residential areas / roads.
4 - That is something that will be looked at further down the line, ie when they have proposals for the development / traffic movements, however I would expect this to be the case.
5 - I can't answer for Michael Wills MP.  As a Councillor (and local resident) I am leading on discussions with the developers to make sure they have a CRYSTAL clear idea of what won't be acceptable.


As it stands the developers are working on draft plans which I believe they will have later in the year (probably Autumn) for which we will then distribute to all local residents and organise various public meetings / consultation to make sure we get the best possible development possible.  I certainly dont expect a Christmas Card from the developers who won't have liked what I have said to them, but I do expect a good development as we will be living here for many generations.  I

This is a really brief summary of the issue, I have a much more detailed breakdown which I am pulling together.

Very clever politicians answer Justin which doesn't tell us anything apart from the fact you have told them you are unhappy!

That will definately influence them?

And what did you say about the infrastructure Peter Greenhalgh has promised?  I didn't think he has said anything?  So what are you doing about it please as I have more than a casual interest as you know.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 05, 2010, 10:06:19 PM
Richard...

At this stage the developers are working up proposals.  I requested a meeting so I could relay the issues that I (on behalf of the local residents) would be taking a particular interest in.  (Roads, open spaces, green buffer, infrastructure, density, access etc).

It is now up to the developers to see whether they will incorporate these ideas for their first set of proper plans.  When they are ready they will need extensive public consultation (which I will make sure happens).  As I explained to the developers if they took on board the feedback the public consultation will be positive and constructive, if they didn't then I would be leading an angry mob of local residents.

As I said I am expecting them to come back later in the year.

As ever with developers the planning laws are generally on their side (that is for another debate), however the would prefer to work with, rather than against residents where possible.  In the Northern Sector we have seen huge amounts of development and as this is the final part it is essential they learn from the mistakes and deliver a development addresses the concerns I raised.

Richard I don't mean to sound like a politician as I am conscious this is general but that is because at this stage there is no actual plans, we have just take an opportunity to shape them.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 08, 2010, 12:33:04 PM
I have just noticed that Kieth is the councillor for my area in shaw, this has surprised me as reading the previous posts i can understand that there are alot of people in the area involved. How ever i would have thought that in the past 19 yrs that i have lived here there would have been enough time to visit a majority if not all of the area affected, however i do not recall at any point any member of any party knocking on my door. :-( With this in mind i would like to ask if i am wrong to think that perhaps only the areas considered to be important actually get a local MP visiting and then only if there is time the other areas then get the privelidge?!!

Cyfish :-)

Cyfish,

I was only out on Saturday (admittedly in Freshbrook and Grange Park) but have canvassed the whole of Shaw and Nine Elms in the past 4 years. One of the problems we face is that people are rarely in or do not answer their doors and the calling cards we leave invariably get disposed of by a member of the household.
On one close this Saturday we found 2 people in out of 12 houses.

If you have any specific issues you want to discuss then please send me an e-mail, or if you want to preserve your anonymity let me know the road and I'll add it to my list for the next few weeks.

Keith
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Alligator on February 08, 2010, 01:12:16 PM
One of the problems we face is that people are rarely in or do not answer their doors and the calling cards we leave invariably get disposed of by a member of the household.
On one close this Saturday we found 2 people in out of 12 houses.

Keith, I imagine you're not alone in this, however it's hardly surprising that many people may be out on a Saturday, assuming they work during the week, this will be a time when they have limited ability to do their shopping or go out with their family etc.

What other times/days of the week do you usually canvass?  I know it's hard work, but if you want to reach all of the people, or at least as many as possible, then you need to be very flexibile on what time you try to call.  I would have thought early evenings on all days would be a good time  :)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on February 08, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
 
As Keith is advising people to contact him/other councillors directly to have questions answered, (a pointless exercise if your councillor is Peter Greenhalgh I'm told), I'd like to advise readers to ask this question if they are canvassed by a Conservative councillor on their doorstep.

Q: In May 2010, who are you going to vote for as Leader of the Tory group and leader of the council?

This question is of particular interest to me because there is only one way I can have any influence at all over who is elected leader, and that is by voting, or not voting for a candidate who will/will not vote for a potential leader who I approve/disapprove of.

I don't want Rod Bluh to be leading the council. I think he's been bad for the town, bad for local democracy and bad for business, yet I cannot hold him directly accountable.  Sadly, this years Tory candidate in my ward, Cllr Mick Bray - a hard working and well respected ward councillor - won't get my vote if I think he intends to vote for Bluh in May.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on February 08, 2010, 03:05:48 PM
Unfortunately the answer we might get from any electioning doorstepper is likely to be " no one else wants the job!"
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Bobby Bingo on February 08, 2010, 03:22:37 PM
Muggins
Councillor Nick Martin and his west and east Swindon co-horts will jump at it.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on February 08, 2010, 03:57:01 PM
Bobby that is very naughty as that will put all the councillors in a tail spin :censored:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Alligator on February 08, 2010, 04:38:28 PM
Unfortunately the answer we might get from any electioning doorstepper is likely to be " no one else wants the job!"

That's when you suggest that they opt for a less incentuous model of government which widens the gene pool from where candidates can be selected instead of it being only sitting councillors and then let the general population decide. 

It's far better that the people decide than we end up with a leader that didn't really want the job in the first place, but was eligible for simply being a councillor in the largest party at the time. 
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Alligator on February 08, 2010, 04:44:30 PM

I'd like to advise readers to ask this question if they are canvassed by a Conservative councillor on their doorstep.

Q: In May 2010, who are you going to vote for as Leader of the Tory group and leader of the council?

This question is of particular interest to me because there is only one way I can have any influence at all over who is elected leader, and that is by voting, or not voting for a candidate who will/will not vote for a potential leader who I approve/disapprove of.

I don't want Rod Bluh to be leading the council. I think he's been bad for the town, bad for local democracy and bad for business, yet I cannot hold him directly accountable.  Sadly, this years Tory candidate in my ward, Cllr Mick Bray - a hard working and well respected ward councillor - won't get my vote if I think he intends to vote for Bluh in May.

I agree with you say about asking that question, however I would also ask what way they would vote in a council debate on the governance model altogether. 

The model we have today whereby the the leader is selected behind closed doors, on promises made in secret and without any open discussion on who may or may not stand, is up for review this year, so this is an opportunity to ask themselves if they trust the people of the townor whether they hanker after a 'we know best' approach.

Anyone opting for the staus quo wouldn't get my vote as I will only accept the current model as being legitimate once the people of Swindon have had the chance to choose it in a referendum.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on February 08, 2010, 05:08:52 PM

Okay, I give in... What does 'Neeeer' mean?

Is it a 'Paxmanesque' sneer ? :)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: DaveWood on February 08, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Keith, I imagine you're not alone in this, however it's hardly surprising that many people may be out on a Saturday, assuming they work during the week, this will be a time when they have limited ability to do their shopping or go out with their family etc.

What other times/days of the week do you usually canvass?  I know it's hard work, but if you want to reach all of the people, or at least as many as possible, then you need to be very flexibile on what time you try to call.  I would have thought early evenings on all days would be a good time  :)

The timing of knocking on doors is always about the least worst option.

We managed to get round 80% of the doors in Eastcott in about 12 weeks before Christmas, which refreshed me on the best times.

Early evenings did come out as the best time overall, so I stuck with that.  However others have competing commitments (less flexible work, young families) that means that may not be possible for some.

In Old Town early evening was the best time.  But then in town centre weekends worked better.  When I've knocked doors in Penhill weekends also seemed to be marginally better.

Having said that, any time you knock between 5-8pm someone will always be at work, or having dinner, or watching their favourite TV programme.  Call after this time and most people won't come to the door for understandable reasons.  The best option would seem to be in summer calling mid-evening, but then many people are on holiday.  So it's always about the least worst timing.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Simon on February 08, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
I was only out on Saturday (admittedly in Freshbrook and Grange Park) but have canvassed the whole of Shaw and Nine Elms in the past 4 years. One of the problems we face is that people are rarely in or do not answer their doors and the calling cards we leave invariably get disposed of by a member of the household.
On one close this Saturday we found 2 people in out of 12 houses.

I have lived in the Freshbrook & Grange Park ward for just over 10 years now. In that time I have had just one canvasser knock on my door whilst I was at home. That was about 8 years ago and was a tory canvasser who appeared to be under the impression that the previous owner but one still lived at my address.

I have no idea how many canvassers may have come knocking whilst I was at work, or out trying to change the world, or just out enjoying myself. They never leave me anything to say they'd knocked on my door (election leaflets don't count, they just tell me that someone put a leaflet through my letterbox).

The Kleenezee people and some of the organisations who put plastic bags through my door in the hope that I'll fill them full of resaleable goodies are better at telling me they've been round, and some of them even tell me when they're going to come back.

If I wasn't already politically engaged and actively reading the content on sites like TS then come election day I'd be none the wiser as to which of the names on the ballot paper I'd want to put a cross beside.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on February 08, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
We only ever get the Tories round our close..

Any visits we've had have always been exactly when we've been doing something to deal with small children that has not given  me the chance for argument or complaint...

(Keith - think you called at our house a couple of years ago and were surprised that someone in the close wasn't planning to vote Conservative!)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: concerned_of_Old_Town on February 08, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
Fair do's for Dave Wood although I have only met him once I do get a In touch newsletter through my door every 3 or 4 month.

I do see Annie in Old Town  but not had the honour of an audience with her yet.

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 08, 2010, 10:45:29 PM
Keith, I imagine you're not alone in this, however it's hardly surprising that many people may be out on a Saturday, assuming they work during the week, this will be a time when they have limited ability to do their shopping or go out with their family etc.

What other times/days of the week do you usually canvass?  I know it's hard work, but if you want to reach all of the people, or at least as many as possible, then you need to be very flexibile on what time you try to call.  I would have thought early evenings on all days would be a good time  :)

Dave Wood has summed it up pretty well. The difficulty with calling before 6pm midweek is that people tend to be at work or traveling back home, the problem with calling after 6pm is that until the end of March it is dark/dusk and people don't like answering their door. Most Council meetings are also held from 6pm until 8-9pm or later which can take out another 2 or 3 evenings some weeks.
People are generally out on Saturday mornings so late afternoon tends to be the best time in West Swindon, avoiding major football / rugby matches etc... Sundays are also generally acceptable in West Swindon.

Coupled with running a chess club at the local school and having two young children a balance has to be struck somewhere.

If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

Moley - I'm happy for people to raise their concerns and objections, I find it helps me maintain balance and a broader perspective rather than blindly following prescribed political dogma.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Piston Broke on February 08, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
Newsnight row over Doners ;D paying tax does Lord Ashcroft canvas?  I am :-\ even after the row. Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on February 08, 2010, 11:03:25 PM

Moley - I'm happy for people to raise their concerns and objections, I find it helps me maintain balance and a broader perspective rather than blindly following prescribed political dogma.

My funniest electioneering argument was a long one with Chris Patten's election agent about whether she or I knew more people in Northern Ireland before the election he lost in Bath (92?).

I'd have thought my accent might have been a hint....
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on February 09, 2010, 02:34:44 AM



Quote from: Keith
If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

I don't live in Shaw and 9 Elms but I am keen to sound you out about whether you would vote for Rod Bluh again this May as leader of the council & group?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Trollee on February 09, 2010, 10:56:07 AM



Quote from: Keith
If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

I don't live in Shaw and 9 Elms but I am keen to sound you out about whether you would vote for Rod Bluh again this May as leader of the council & group?


please keith will you answer the question and  tell us who you will vote for at the leadership election as the tories wiill still have power?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Bobby Bingo on February 09, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
It has got to be Nick Martin for leader. Yes I know he engages his mouth before his brain SOMETIMES but he tells it as it is. Open, honest and straight is our Nick and he is retired so would be able to devote himself to the mamoth task facing the current gang of four!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on February 09, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
Nooooooo, agh Nooooo
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mart on February 09, 2010, 09:29:07 PM
I think Busta's moment draws near.

He would be genuinely happy to be paid in peanuts.

http://www.monkeyworld.org/meet-our-primates/paddys-chimpanzees.htm

I think it would be an interesting social experiment and we have a diminishing amount to lose. We'd simply have to decipher his approval and disapproval signals. I think when he rips your arm off and beats you to death with the soggy end is a negatory, extended session of swinging on his innertube means yes. What could be simpler?

There is a selection of other candidates available on the site.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Terry Reynolds on February 10, 2010, 08:23:16 PM
If there is a problem with going around the doors and getting an answer, wouldnt the best bet to be a weekly\monthly meeting with voters and then you can tell them\ask questions on how you feel, and this way, those who are interested would go and not sit behind the closed doors ::)..
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: DaveWood on February 10, 2010, 09:12:17 PM
If there is a problem with going around the doors and getting an answer, wouldnt the best bet to be a weekly\monthly meeting with voters and then you can tell them\ask questions on how you feel, and this way, those who are interested would go and not sit behind the closed doors ::)..

On my patch (as in a lot of areas) they residents have their own monthly meetings.  They require my presence and pummell me for detailed answers.  It fulfils a very important need, although the vast majority of people shy away from such organised settings.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 10, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
If there is a problem with going around the doors and getting an answer, wouldnt the best bet to be a weekly\monthly meeting with voters and then you can tell them\ask questions on how you feel, and this way, those who are interested would go and not sit behind the closed doors ::)..

We do have this in the shape of the West Swindon Cluster Forum held at the Link Centre. Numbers vary but are often no more than a dozen, so if you live in West Swindon come along on the second Monday of the month as nobody has ever not been able to raise their question. Next events will be in March, May and July.

I also attend monthly Shaw Residents' Association meetings at Shaw Village Centre (first Monday of the month).
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 10, 2010, 09:26:31 PM



Quote from: Keith
If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

I don't live in Shaw and 9 Elms but I am keen to sound you out about whether you would vote for Rod Bluh again this May as leader of the council & group?


please keith will you answer the question and  tell us who you will vote for at the leadership election as the tories wiill still have power?

It is jumping the gun a little as we are only 3/4 of the way through the municipal year and the nomination process is a long way off yet. If you canvassed all the Councillors and asked them who was willing to stand as leader at least you would then have a shortlist.
I'll start you off by saying that I won't be.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on February 10, 2010, 10:14:21 PM
 Is it jumping the gun? Perhaps it is from the perspective of a cabinet member,  from my perspective Rod Bluh is nearly at the end of his elected term and the damage he has done to the town, and to local democracy, is immense.

I think the question 'will you vote for him again?' Is valid, unless you're content with Rod's record so far?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mart on February 10, 2010, 10:18:32 PM
If Rod ain't thinking about it, we won't.

S'fair innit?

I bet he is well into legacy mode.

A browny blue blair so he is.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 12, 2010, 08:36:24 AM
Thanks for your answers Mr Tomlinson however they are very vague and non descript and as for the last question I was asking you to comment on why you were not there not Mr Wills.

Mr Reid, Neeeer - I have no idea what the meaning is, as I was getting frustrated with my phone it was the noise I made ....maybe neeeering can be described as the noise politicians make when they are faced with questions they do not like.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 12, 2010, 08:39:21 AM
Thanks for your answers Mr Tomlinson however they are very vague and non descript and as for the last question I was asking you to comment on why you were not there not Mr Wills.

Mr Reid, Neeeer - I have no idea what the meaning is, as I was getting frustrated with my phone it was the noise I made ....maybe neeeering can be described as the noise politicians make when they are faced with questions they do not like.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 12, 2010, 09:04:37 AM
Mellon - sorry you think they are vague and non descript, I disagree, I have summed up the situation as it stands and what I would like to think.  Until they actually come forward with actual plans I can't be any more specific and there isn't anything specific to comment on.

For the RSS meeting because I was not the representative for that role.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 12, 2010, 09:19:38 AM



Quote from: Keith
If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

I don't live in Shaw and 9 Elms but I am keen to sound you out about whether you would vote for Rod Bluh again this May as leader of the council & group?


please keith will you answer the question and  tell us who you will vote for at the leadership election as the tories wiill still have power?

It is jumping the gun a little as we are only 3/4 of the way through the municipal year and the nomination process is a long way off yet. If you canvassed all the Councillors and asked them who was willing to stand as leader at least you would then have a shortlist.
I'll start you off by saying that I won't be.

This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 12, 2010, 01:04:51 PM
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Terry Reynolds on February 12, 2010, 07:22:37 PM
Mellon,
 dont want to stand up for Justin, as Im sure he has a solid back to do that himself, but your early question says why didnt the swindon north MP attend the meeting, since when is Justin the swindon north MP (Yet)?..
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Simon on February 12, 2010, 08:19:35 PM
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else who happens to be reading this thinks of cllr Bluh, I think cllr Keith's reply is entirely reasonable. If no candidates for the leadership of SBC have declared themselves, how can he possibly say who he intends to vote for?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 12, 2010, 10:17:47 PM
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.


Keith,

I can only say that Triumph and Dick Norman must also have seen through your flimsy approach to being a conviction politician.  I am far from being a political Troll but I am a voter who expects the politicians that I vote for to act honestly and lead by example and get things done.  What work have you done to be so proud?  I take offence to being accused of baiting you for sport.  Politics is a rough trade, take it personally and you are not up to the cut and thrust, not my words but those of Sir David Trimble.  Political Troll, well if repeating a question that is important to potential voters makes me one then I am one, but better than being a wet politician.

I do hope that Doug Stewart does stand along with a good LIb-dem and a Labour Candidate.  Enjoy your fools paradise of arrogant Conservatism on this council because your time is up and who leads this town is important to me if it isn't to you.

Simon,

Rod Bluh has to be elected this May, if he is not  I have been told that keith will cozy up to Nick Martin whose position he took in Cabinet.  Politics is a rough game just ask Nick Martin who lost out to Keith by being sacked by Rod Bluh for his own reasons, probably because he would have asked too many questions about Wi-fi and Swindon commercial Services and various other things which concern contributors to this forum.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Keith on February 12, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.


Keith,

I can only say that Triumph and Dick Norman must also have seen through your flimsy approach to being a conviction politician.  I am far from being a political Troll but I am a voter who expects the politicians that I vote for to act honestly and lead by example and get things done.  What work have you done to be so proud?  I take offence to being accused of baiting you for sport.  Politics is a rough trade, take it personally and you are not up to the cut and thrust, not my words but those of Sir David Trimble.  Political Troll, well if repeating a question that is important to potential voters makes me one then I am one, but better than being a wet politician.

I do hope that Doug Stewart does stand along with a good LIb-dem and a Labour Candidate.  Enjoy your fools paradise of arrogant Conservatism on this council because your time is up and who leads this town is important to me if it isn't to you.

Simon,

Rod Bluh has to be elected this May, if he is not  I have been told that keith will cozy up to Nick Martin whose position he took in Cabinet.  Politics is a rough game just ask Nick Martin who lost out to Keith by being sacked by Rod Bluh for his own reasons, probably because he would have asked too many questions about Wi-fi and Swindon commercial Services and various other things which concern contributors to this forum.

Richard, I'm sure your connections are impeccable but  I think the tone of your comments say more about you than it does about me.
I'm not in this for an ego trip but out of a genuine desire to serve my community and Swindon as a whole. If you personally are not happy with that then I would prefer you not to vote for me and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 12, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
Keith,

Sadly you are like the fresh face of Conservatism.  For some charasmatic, for others the new saviour occasionally an alternative, but always without substance.  I do not wish you luck in your election as I would want someone who does not support Rod Bluh.  He is leading this town to oblivion and what part do you intend to play in his downfall?

and by the way your connections are not as impeccable as you claim as you are not in the gang of four, Cabinet (Cabinet within Cabinet) known to us as the Kitchen Cabinet.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on February 12, 2010, 11:25:10 PM
I guess I'd ask a different question - because maybe nobody else would like the leaders' job!

Would anyone involved in the Conservative group on the council acknowledge that there is significant concern in the wider community about some recent decisions and the lack of transparency in how they've been taken.   Would anyone like to make any suggestions about how to do things better in future (irrespective of who ends up in leadership roles).

Examples of what I'm personally concerned about are:

- wasting money on white elephant projects (e.g. Wharf Green, the canal proposals) whilst more obvious and valuable regeneration projects go belly up (doesn't feel at all dissimilar to what the central Conservative party accuse the current government of)
- perceptions that sometimes due diligence may not have been done in some recent council investments (wifi)
- whether money spent on Big Weekend was good value for money in the current downturn
- concern in the wider community that some names seem to keep occurring in connection with council associated projects -  people wonder if this indicates any lack of transparency and people in other local companies wonder what they have to do to get local business.
- handling of single status (note I'm not a council employee but have heard rumblings from people I know who are)

I'm sure others could add to the list... what I haven't seen is any kind of "it's a fair cop guv, we need to learn lessons, we're going to do X differently in future" message...

Moley
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on February 13, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
Moley

There are always politicians that want to be leader, there are those that say no not me no interest in being leader. There are those that say they would only be leader if dragged to it and for some it is a life long search for the holy grail of politics. All leaderships start with a fanfare and most end in tradegy the tragic circumstances remembered in living memory often outweigh the good time. Fortunately historians get their golden pens out, put on their rose tinted spectacles and then write of the halcyon days of their chosen subjects. They occaisionally throw in a few warts for good measure to show a balanced approach.

All leaders want a legacy and that the future is not cruel to their memory. Fair cop gov!  ;)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 13, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Sorry kohima, my research was not correct, you are quite right.

Mr Tomlinson as you said you were not allocated to the meeting, this is happening in your constituency are you implying that you are indeed under instruction not to attend meetings?? If not, it seems (to me at least) that you have put your hands up and said "nothing to do with me" then walked away.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mart on February 13, 2010, 06:27:36 PM
Ah, the old 'Not me Guv', the force is strong in this one.

When my phone doesn't work I press the buttons harder and say 'Bollocks'.

P'raps wouldn't have got so many posts though.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Justin Tomlinson on February 15, 2010, 10:38:36 AM

If not, it seems (to me at least) that you have put your hands up and said "nothing to do with me" then walked away.

Not at all I am working very hard with the Redhouse Residents Association on this very issue, for which I have been keeping the local residents updating through my monthly articles and the residents meetings.

The developers have been given a crystal clear message what we as local residents would find acceptable and if they choose to not deliver on this, then we, led myself will campaign every inch of the way against this.


The work of the Redhouse Residents Association with me on this has been excellent.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 19, 2010, 07:55:26 PM
so what is this crystal clear message?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 21, 2010, 08:17:02 PM
ooo i just read something interesting on the adver site posted by I Too

Quote
"The Conservatives might say that they will rid us of the Regional Spatial Strategies, but they'll quickly remember that it,s their own, Conservative members / councillors, that sit at the helm of these organisations.
Spin Spin Spin."

any comments?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 24, 2010, 09:52:26 PM
Your being very quiet Mr Tomlinson, are you going to tell me what this crystal clear message is? or am i going to have to directly contact Crest Nicholson for an answer?

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on February 24, 2010, 10:25:52 PM
Your being very quiet Mr Tomlinson, are you going to tell me what this crystal clear message is? or am i going to have to directly contact Crest Nicholson for an answer?

Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here..... i know that several do, but they've all been very quiet recently (especially with some of the topics being discussed).

Or maybe I'm just imagining it?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: concerned_of_Old_Town on February 24, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
Quote
Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party
 
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on February 24, 2010, 10:47:11 PM
Quote
Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on February 25, 2010, 08:44:14 AM
Quote
Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?

What do you think? It is clear that their ability willingness to engage is for some is akin to one of those cluster information type meetings rather than a forum like some cluster meetings I can mention. The level of debate on TS is higher than any other taking place, in Swindon.

Yes some may say JT has been quiet here on this thread, is it no different than on the Northview thread? Since the story broke bullybolloxgate or what ever you care to tag it as; JT has been quiet but it is coincidental, why has  JT has been quiet since Monday night ? Maybe or DID something happen to him at group meeting before budget council meeting? Democracy is a funny old game. He did not contribute in his usual interesting way on Monday night at budget setting, most unlike him.

I think Bob talking of an emphatic whatever  and having an email? Is interesting as I am not aware that  Conservatives Swindon have made any comment. Yes Geoff your information appears to be in the ball park the story is dead. UKIP rep in south Swindon may have been the giant killer or maybe it is all just wishful thinking and it is all after all  been another storm in a shot glass teacup?

Here is another emphatic denial to ponder no politician except those contributing here  in the threads ever read talkswindon or contribute to it even by 3rd party emails. Note to admin flying pig icon long overdue ::)

Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: robert feal-martinez on February 25, 2010, 09:48:06 AM
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Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?

What do you think? It is clear that their ability willingness to engage is for some is akin to one of those cluster information type meetings rather than a forum like some cluster meetings I can mention. The level of debate on TS is higher than any other taking place, in Swindon.

Yes some may say JT has been quiet here on this thread, is it no different than on the Northview thread? Since the story broke bullybolloxgate or what ever you care to tag it as; JT has been quiet but it is coincidental, why has  JT has been quiet since Monday night ? Maybe or DID something happen to him at group meeting before budget council meeting? Democracy is a funny old game. He did not contribute in his usual interesting way on Monday night at budget setting, most unlike him.

I think Bob talking of an emphatic whatever  and having an email? Is interesting as I am not aware that  Conservatives Swindon have made any comment. Yes Geoff your information appears to be in the ball park the story is dead. UKIP rep in south Swindon may have been the giant killer or maybe it is all just wishful thinking and it is all after all  been another storm in a shot glass teacup?

Here is another emphatic denial to ponder no politician except those contributing here  in the threads ever read talkswindon or contribute to it even by 3rd party emails. Note to admin flying pig icon long overdue ::)

Could it just be Steve that TS has lost it's appeal for some. Oh by the way I never said the email came from Conservatives Swindon.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Tobes on February 25, 2010, 11:34:50 AM
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Could it just be Steve that TS has lost it's appeal for some.

Could be, couldn't it...?

- WiFi gate
- 'Pratt-gate'
- Public questions regarding the financial picture behind 'Peters parking tax'
- Public questions about the financial backgroung to The Big Weekend
- Public questions about the 'regeneration'
- Public questions about business connections
- Public scrutiny of the democratic process

etc. etc.

Yes Bob. For once I agree with you. I can very definately see why TS 'might have lost its appeal' for some councillors as particpants. (Though it might also explain why we see so many anonymous guests viewing certain topics  ;) )

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Oh by the way I never said the email came from Conservatives Swindon

So, to quote you, the conservatives are apparently 'emphatically denying' Pratt's association with them, and you have this in writing - although its a private email - and its not necessarily even from the conservatives themselves... So, about as reliable as what the bloke down the bus-stop told me this morning then?

Why are you sharing this information of dubious provenance with us Bob?

 :WTF:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on February 25, 2010, 11:58:45 AM
So, to quote you, the conservatives are apparently 'emphatically denying' Pratt's association with them, and you have this in writing - although its a private email - and its not necessarily even from the conservatives themselves... So, about as reliable as what the bloke down the bus-stop told me this morning then?

Why are you sharing this information of dubious provenance with us Bob?

 :WTF:

Steady on  Tobes I may be wrong here. Looks to me as if you will be watering Bob next, as you may be accused of implying he is some sort of tory plant. Well informed UKIP chappie.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Tobes on February 25, 2010, 12:05:18 PM
I daresay Bob will just think I'm being rude... but tbh I'm simply confused/bemused  :-\
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on February 25, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
 :agreed:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 26, 2010, 11:34:27 AM
Still waiting for an answer justin!? (That's if you've not been bullied into being quiet) Not long left on the clock before I contact the developers directly and ask them if you've had any dealings with them at all.......I'm just wondering if the council has bought into Crest Nicholson after it sold 90% of its shares to keep the business afloat after a £500 million deficit
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 26, 2010, 02:49:53 PM
I hear that Justin Tomlinson was not at the houses meeting last night in the Shaw Village Church and that it was more about the politicians than the needs of the residents.

I hope this is not true and invite someone to correct me if it isn't.   
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on February 26, 2010, 02:55:19 PM
Richard

I attended, as I am opposed to the 3,000 houses and have made that very clear from the off.
   
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 27, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
I hear that Justin Tomlinson was not at the houses meeting last night in the Shaw Village Church .

hmmmmm i wonder why ?

Mr Tomlinson, can you please comment on why you were not present at this meeting? seeing as you claim to be 'working' very hard
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Shaw on February 27, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
I hear that Justin Tomlinson was not at the houses meeting last night in the Shaw Village Church .

hmmmmm i wonder why ?

Mr Tomlinson, can you please comment on why you were not present at this meeting? seeing as you claim to be 'working' very hard

He is telling you he is working very hard Mellon because he thinks you will believe it if he says it often enough.

This Victor is looking more and more interesting!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on February 27, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
I hear that Justin Tomlinson was not at the houses meeting last night in the Shaw Village Church .

hmmmmm i wonder why ?

Mr Tomlinson, can you please comment on why you were not present at this meeting? seeing as you claim to be 'working' very hard

He is telling you he is working very hard Mellon because he thinks you will believe it if he says it often enough.

This Victor is looking more and more interesting!

I hope Victor will not use the working hard, which I think he has done? Anyway most politicians use it or a variation of it it has  now become such a boring stale strapline. Anyway as Justin Tomlinson  has laboured it so to speak the Victor will now have to do something different. Whilst the tories are in their conference today Labour were out in the North again!

Is Justin working hard in the whole of North Swindon now? He is one Councillor in Abbey Meads so perhaps all the other councillors in Highworth, Moredon, Penhill, Pinehurst Goreshill, Western, Haydon wick (Cllr Renard's tweets would show something different.) etc are not doing anything and has Michael Wills also done nothing, since Justin Tomlinson came on the scene? Justin should be clearer working hard in Abbey Meads is a fair and accurate strapline, which I think is what he is referring too. Or do you think I am I presuming too much Richard?

He may work hard, but his recent voting record  as threaded in TS threads demonstrates clearly he will abstain or vote with the whip. Robert Buckland can say otherwise as he is a political unknown in Swindon so he may be given the benefit of the doubt by voters. So it could be the same for Victor or again am I presuming too much?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 28, 2010, 06:34:32 PM
I hear that Justin Tomlinson was not at the houses meeting last night in the Shaw Village Church .

hmmmmm i wonder why ?

Mr Tomlinson, can you please comment on why you were not present at this meeting? seeing as you claim to be 'working' very hard

He is telling you he is working very hard Mellon because he thinks you will believe it if he says it often enough.

This Victor is looking more and more interesting!

I hope Victor will not use the working hard, which I think he has done? Anyway most politicians use it or a variation of it it has  now become such a boring stale strapline. Anyway as Justin Tomlinson  has laboured it so to speak the Victor will now have to do something different. Whilst the tories are in their conference today Labour were out in the North again!

Is Justin working hard in the whole of North Swindon now? He is one Councillor in Abbey Meads so perhaps all the other councillors in Highworth, Moredon, Penhill, Pinehurst Goreshill, Western, Haydon wick (Cllr Renard's tweets would show something different.) etc are not doing anything and has Michael Wills also done nothing, since Justin Tomlinson came on the scene? Justin should be clearer working hard in Abbey Meads is a fair and accurate strapline, which I think is what he is referring too. Or do you think I am I presuming too much Richard?

He may work hard, but his recent voting record  as threaded in TS threads demonstrates clearly he will abstain or vote with the whip. Robert Buckland can say otherwise as he is a political unknown in Swindon so he may be given the benefit of the doubt by voters. So it could be the same for Victor or again am I presuming too much?

But then again Mr Tomlinson may feel his seat in parliament is secured and has decided to take a step back from his duties in his ward and letting everybody else do the work he is claiming to do..........isnt the councillor supposed do the work on behalf of the residents and not the residents do the work on behalf on the councillor.........as for the voting record Mr Tomlinson should be reminded he is there to represent and vote for his ward not himself and party......but im sure Mr Tomlinson or any other Tory member would not do such a thing, or would they??
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Terry Reynolds on February 28, 2010, 07:50:39 PM
As would Labour MPs, when voting for the closure of the P Offices, against the wishes of the people of Swindon.. :2funny:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on February 28, 2010, 07:57:23 PM
As would Labour MPs, when voting for the closure of the P Offices, against the wishes of the people of Swindon.. :2funny:

oh yes i seem to have forgotten them........
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 01, 2010, 11:00:18 AM
What's really making me think is where the access road for this new development is going to and who's territory is it going through?? . Crest Nicholson has already stated that they wish to bring down the number of cars by introducing a public transport network into the area.....now there is a fundamental problem with this, several thousand new residents with their own transport they have already paid for or pay extra to use a bus??

Anyway back to the grind....still waiting on this crystal clear message Mr Tomlinson although it seems odd (to me atleast) that you would tell the link this message but not tell a resident, have you been cHarmed into not saying anything on TS or talking to the public in general?? And have you taken a step back because you feel your off to green seats and brandy??

Catch you soon........
The Mellon
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on March 01, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
"they wish to bring down the number of cars by introducing a public transport network into the area..."

It was on this idea that Priory Vale was designed.  Roads are narrow, houses dense and cycl routes run where car parking spaces would normally be.

Result? The road is so narrow and so crowded with parked cars tha tthe buses and emergency vehicles havea job to get through.

It might work, as it does in some developments in Europe, but it needs the developers to say, "you cannot buy one of our dwellings if you have a car".  Chances of that  - nil.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 01, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
It may work.....but I seriously doubt there will be any amazing logistical suprises in store for north swindon
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mart on March 01, 2010, 07:06:33 PM
amazing logistical suprises

Really? I'd bank on them. Not all surprises are pleasant you know.

I remember when I had me Jeep trying to navigate round one of those new build estates, I had the not infrequent feeling I was driving down a path.

The house we visited was notable because you could open the front door whilst ensconced on the downstairs throne. My delight was in marked contrast to the missus' reaction.

Bit disappointed about the commitment to public transport despite it's inability to meet the majority's needs, public transport has it's place but penetrating deep into a housing development and consistently meeting the majority of the residents' transport needs is a philosophy rather than a practical reality surely?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Piston Broke on March 01, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
More houses in Tadpole why is that are there not enough already? Justin Tomlinson is only a councillor. It's the Leader that has all the power one only has to read this board to see that.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: moley on March 01, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
I'd also have thought you could do some kind of correlation of house size to likely number of cars... if you're building a development of big expensive houses I'd view it as highly likely that most of them will probably have 2 cars...

Although it would be very nice to be able to go green, I'd actually take a substantial pay cut if I got rid of my car (more than the costs of running it).  I know I'm not the only person in a similar position - so there's a whole raft of other things that probably need to be looked at if people really wanted to make this work, not just planning regulations.

Moley
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Jarvis on March 02, 2010, 03:55:14 PM
Mr Tomlinson may feel his seat in parliament is secured and has decided to take a step back from his duties in his ward and letting everybody else do the work he is claiming to do

Or has realised that every time he opens his mouth people are realising that he couldn't find his arse with an atlas?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 02, 2010, 04:22:26 PM
What's really making me think is where the access road for this new development is going to and who's territory is it going through?? . Crest Nicholson has already stated that they wish to bring down the number of cars by introducing a public transport network into the area.....now there is a fundamental problem with this, several thousand new residents with their own transport they have already paid for or pay extra to use a bus??

Anyway back to the grind....still waiting on this crystal clear message Mr Tomlinson although it seems odd (to me atleast) that you would tell the link this message but not tell a resident, have you been cHarmed into not saying anything on TS or talking to the public in general?? And have you taken a step back because you feel your off to green seats and brandy??

Catch you soon........
The Mellon

I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on March 02, 2010, 04:32:34 PM
"More houses in Tadpole why is that are there not enough already?" 

I'm fairly sure that on the grand plan for Northern Development it was not planned to jump across Tadpole Lane. (I can look that up  I still have the plans)  However, we did ask why the planned secondary School (Isambard) was to the rear and off centre of the grand plan, no answer, so we assumed that at some time in the future, that would not be the rear off centre but in the middle of more development.  I don't think any fo us thought it would be before they'd built the other planed areas, like Wichelstowe and the Triangle though.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: komadori on March 02, 2010, 11:17:14 PM
I though Tadpole farm got named in the Regional Spatial Strategy. Like Muggins, I thought it was only to be developed after the likes of Wichelstowe were completed.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 03, 2010, 03:48:08 AM
I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.

Mellon, I bet you £5 you'll never hear from him again if he goes to Westminster  :)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 03, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.

Mellon, I bet you £5 you'll never hear from him again if he goes to Westminster  :)

well then, i may have to put my walking boots on.........
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: AndyH on March 03, 2010, 05:19:27 PM
I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.

Mellon, I bet you £5 you'll never hear from him again if he goes to Westminster  :)

oh Geoff what a cynic you are.

Personally I think JT will return to TS, but if he doesn’t get to Westminster, and without a council seat, what will he be doing?  :-\
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 03, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.

Mellon, I bet you £5 you'll never hear from him again if he goes to Westminster  :)

oh Geoff what a cynic you are.

Personally I think JT will return to TS, but if he doesn’t get to Westminster, and without a council seat, what will he be doing?  :-\


Wherever he goes ill be following him.......politically of course

telling everyone he is working hard still........and then either start working for Digital City UK or Crest Nicholson. My top two guesses, im sure he could always be promoted to sergeant in the cHarm police  ;)


STILL waiting for that message Mr Tomlinson........
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Tea Boy on March 04, 2010, 08:35:42 AM
I think that cllr Tomlinson  has been too busy of late to engage with TS? I think he will get back to you with an answer when things have calmed down.

Mellon, I bet you £5 you'll never hear from him again if he goes to Westminster  :)

oh Geoff what a cynic you are.

Personally I think JT will return to TS, but if he doesn’t get to Westminster, and without a council seat, what will he be doing?  :-\


Wherever he goes ill be following him.......politically of course

telling everyone he is working hard still........and then either start working for Digital City UK or Crest Nicholson. My top two guesses, im sure he could always be promoted to sergeant in the cHarm police  ;)


STILL waiting for that message Mr Tomlinson........


Problem is who is he selling his soul to fund his General Election campaign, will he let us know who has given to the William Pitt Club? is it GetSignal local private buisnesses and Rikki Hunt individuals? his continued silence is supiciuous, have Crest any developers supported him? if so which ones? Perhaps he would like to break his silence and reply to Mellons request?

He seems to respond quickly enough to any topic that suits his purposes, perhaps there's no photo opportunity, is this what we can expect if he is elected as an MP?

Mellon perhaps you might whish to go to the Priory Vale facebook site where he is described as 'The sheriff of Priory Vale' and leave him a message?

Geoff, what odds you offerring? count me in for a £5
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 04, 2010, 03:03:25 PM
What general election campaign?? He hasn't done anything apart from tell everyone  he's working hard and doing near enough bugger all! . I think Mr Tomlinson has been following Rikki Hunts work ethos "Do what you say you will". Ill leave that with you for now.......Still waiting Mr Tomlinson and while I'm still waiting for this crystal clear message I shall do some light reading
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Bobby Bingo on March 04, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Mellon says  .......Still waiting Mr Tomlinson and while I'm still waiting for this crystal clear message I shall do some light reading
Try War and Peace and if you spend only 1 hour per day reading it by the end you will still be waiting for a reply.
Perhaps the elusive Cllr Tomlinson should be renamed to Justin Time or even better Just Toolate
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 04, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
Point of Information Mr Chairman On the William Pitt Club Swindon:

http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/4768995.William_Pitt_Club_meets/ ))))

http://www.swindonconservatives.com/news/660/ ))))

http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/latest/5033568.Swindon_Conservative_candidates_meet_the_public/ ))))

http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/4838906.Eddy_Shah_speaks_at_Tory_forum/ ))))

http://www.robertbuckland.co.uk/2009/12/11/disney-comes-to-swindon/

http://mobile.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/archive/2010/03/01/Latest+Swindon+Business+News+%28news_swindon%29/5033568.Swindon_Conservative_candidates_meet_the_public/
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on March 04, 2010, 05:24:31 PM
See that Bobby recognises it's National reading Day!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 04, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
Did someone tell me the Tories were 'doing' The Bramptons last weekend?

I was away and.................

Nobody here has mentioned it so either they didn't or it was not important enough for me to be told!!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Tea Boy on March 04, 2010, 08:59:09 PM
Point of Information Mr Chairman On the William Pitt Club Swindon:

[url]http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/4768995.William_Pitt_Club_meets/[/url] ))))

[url]http://www.swindonconservatives.com/news/660/[/url] ))))

[url]http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/latest/5033568.Swindon_Conservative_candidates_meet_the_public/[/url] ))))

[url]http://www.wiltshirebusinessonline.co.uk/news/4838906.Eddy_Shah_speaks_at_Tory_forum/[/url] ))))

[url]http://www.robertbuckland.co.uk/2009/12/11/disney-comes-to-swindon/[/url]

[url]http://mobile.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/archive/2010/03/01/Latest+Swindon+Business+News+%28news_swindon%29/5033568.Swindon_Conservative_candidates_meet_the_public/[/url]


So William Pitt club = Eddy Shah then? some sort of poor mans Lord Ashcroft?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 05, 2010, 12:03:44 PM
Interesting reading Mr Wakefield........Where's Mr Tomlinson then??  I assume he's come back from brighton....or is he still telling everyone down there he's working hard :D
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 07, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
Whilst I was leafing my way through the stack of magazines I found a copy of the Link magazine I had yet to read and had a little flick through………and I found what I believe as Mr Tomlinsons crystal clear message…….BUT I decided to take a closer look

I would like to take this opportunity to hand out a couple of questions to Mr Tomlinson and anyone else who has any info..


Quote
The councilors’ list of requirements include:

“List of requirements”? Mr Tomlinson I thought you said they had a CRYSTAL clear message of what was acceptable?? Not a list of guidelines of what you would like…..

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The number of houses being built between 1,500 and 2,00 to allow for a better quality development and lower number of cars.

Hmm seems fair enough but as far as I have noticed there is an average of 2 cars per household, so your talking around 3-5,000 cars?? How will the local traffic scheme deal with this rise in vehicles??

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Extensive green buffers and open space to improve the character of the northern development.

“green buffers” slightly interesting, can you provide more information on which green buffers you shall be using??. “open space to improve the character of the northern development” if you wish to have an open space in the north Swindon development , don’t build on it………leave it alone

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Traffic controls which do not have any unnecessary impact on existing residential areas.

But surely there will be an unnecessary impact on existing residential areas – extra cars.

Quote
Infrastructure, particularly schools, in place from the beginning of any development;

Why schools at the beginning, Mr Tomlinson?? What about gas, water, electricity, roads, ??

Quote
Full public consultation so local residents can help shape and influence any potential development.

Can Mr Tomlinson please state what influential decisions have been confirmed with Crest Nicholson, if any.

Quote
Improvements to flood alleviation infrastructure.

Can Mr Tomlinson please clarify which improvements will be made to the alleviation shceme to protect against flooding?? Whilst also remembering that green buffers also reduce the risk of flooding.

Alas there is a couple of questions that has not appeared yet, so me , being the gentleman I am shall ask them………

Can Mr Tomlinson or Mr Greenhalgh please confirm where and how this development site will be accessed without causing disturbance to the local residents??

How much extra traffic will be on the roads while construction is happening and who is going to pay for the sweepers to go round cleaning the access point??

Your comments please Mr Tomlinson
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Terry Reynolds on March 08, 2010, 07:25:00 AM
Mellon, as these houses are being forced upon the town by the government, why dont you ask them these questions, Im sure the two MPs will advise you on who to ask.........
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on March 08, 2010, 08:45:06 AM
Mellon, as these houses are being forced upon the town by the government, why dont you ask them these questions, Im sure the two MPs will advise you on who to ask.........


I think Mellon has every right to ask Justin he is a local councillor in the area and a PPC. If you want to be partisan and defend him fine, but K we can ask who we like what questions especially those locally who hold local power. After all Justin supports connecting people connecting places. He is always working hard, just does not seem to want to talk to anyone after starting this thread. He is Gagged by the Tories so K if ya see justin tell him.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on March 08, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
Mellon, as these houses are being forced upon the town by the government, why dont you ask them these questions, Im sure the two MPs will advise you on who to ask.........

Valid point ........BUT Mr Tomlinson lives in the area and has said that he has given the developers a crystal clear message, all I want to know is what this supposed message is, clearly (in my eyes anyway) Mr Tomlinson has been silenced by the tory whip........Mr Tomlinson still has the chance to answer these questions openly and and honestly but it seems he has turned his back on the public.

Also Kohima I don't quite understand your defence of Mr Tomlinson by saying the government has forced these houses upon the council, it what way has the government forced a development upon swindon borough council?? When crest nicholson bought the land and decided to develop a housing estate on the land?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 08, 2010, 05:28:51 PM

Also Kohima I don't quite understand your defence of Mr Tomlinson by saying the government has forced these houses upon the council, it what way has the government forced a development upon swindon borough council?? When crest nicholson bought the land and decided to develop a housing estate on the land?

Is it possible Mellon that Kohima is in fact a Conservative Councillor who has more than a passing interest in our Justin, towing the (party) line?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Des Morgan on March 08, 2010, 06:42:53 PM
Contact a local councillor - simply a waste of time.  as Coun Tomlinson will know I had occasion to contact my ward councillor on a matter and it took 3 months to get 'nothing' When i complained the system gathered the poor little councillor under its wings and offered him protection from the nasty constituent.  The council then adjudicated and basically said - if a councillor promises to get back to you - that is an answer - the fact that he didn't get back to you is immaterial.

One thing that really worries me about some local councillors is that they simply don't do enough for constituents hence MP's postbags and casework is heavily accentuated towards local issues.

So Coun Tomlinson if you get elected as an MP don't be fooled into thinking your time will be taken up with weighty matters of state - more likely matters of rubbish collection
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 08, 2010, 10:12:10 PM
Contact a local councillor - simply a waste of time.  as Coun Tomlinson will know I had occasion to contact my ward councillor on a matter and it took 3 months to get 'nothing' When i complained the system gathered the poor little councillor under its wings and offered him protection from the nasty constituent.  The council then adjudicated and basically said - if a councillor promises to get back to you - that is an answer - the fact that he didn't get back to you is immaterial.

One thing that really worries me about some local councillors is that they simply don't do enough for constituents hence MP's postbags and casework is heavily accentuated towards local issues.

So Coun Tomlinson if you get elected as an MP don't be fooled into thinking your time will be taken up with weighty matters of state - more likely matters of rubbish collection

Is this particular Councillor up for election this time Des?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on May 14, 2010, 07:12:18 PM
POST 200 (not a big achievement but still woohoo! :D)

i recently penned somethin together for the new leader of the country........it may relate to this thread

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?Dear Mr Cameron,

                I have a concern with one of your newly elected MP's Justin Tomlinson, Mr Tomlinson has been engaging on an internet forum called talkswindon.org (which i think is great that councillors and MP's are engaging through different mediums) although i have become unsettled about Mr Tomlinson as i asked him to explain what his 'crystal clear message' was. Mr Tomlinson has openly said he is against the development at Tadpole Farm in North Swindon yet he will not openly reply to a constituents question. I feel as though Mr Tomlinson is ignoring my questions and polite requests for information regarding the proposed development....i have heard nothing. I am writing to you now as i feel that since Mr Tomlinson had parliamentary prospects he has neglected his duty to the electorate and has let me down, I am almost disappointed that a member of parliament would retreat at the mere sight of a question. I would be extremely grateful if you could help resolve this situation.


Thank you for your time and many regards


Mellon  (name changed for certain reasons)


i am awaiting reply :coffee:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Bobby Bingo on May 15, 2010, 10:33:08 AM
Be patient Mellon. He is in for 5 years!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on May 15, 2010, 10:40:12 AM
Be patient Mellon. He is in for 5 years!

maybe  :azn:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on November 03, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8490384._Development_will_open_up_a_rat_run_/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8490384._Development_will_open_up_a_rat_run_/)

Is that Stephanie wearing the Red Jacket?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Ringer on November 03, 2010, 06:03:57 PM
http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident (http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident)  Has Justin Tomlinson MP capitulated to the developers? :2funny:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 03, 2010, 06:15:56 PM
GO ON STEPH !!!  ;D

[url]http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident[/url] ([url]http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident[/url])  Has Justin Tomlinson MP capitulated to the developers? :2funny:


what does capitulated mean?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mart on November 03, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
It's a french thing
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Rochelle on November 03, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
good to see Steph back in action, she looks jolly cross!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 03, 2010, 07:23:11 PM
[url]http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident[/url] ([url]http://www.swindonlink.com/news/tadpole-lane-development-is-not-a-fait-accompli-says-oakhurst-resident[/url])  Has Justin Tomlinson MP capitulated to the developers? :2funny:


i dont think justin gave in to the developers, as soon as he knew he was going Westminster he just walked away and abandoned the residents, which in my eyes shows the true nature of Tomlinson
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Chav on November 03, 2010, 07:35:05 PM
Well I wonder how the volume of traffic will impact on the Tadpole Express and what will happen with the speed limit on the Tadpole Express ?????????????

Will the 50 mph school safety zone remain as a 50 mph school safety zone ?
Or will the whole speed limit of the Tadpole Expressway be reviewed ?

Something will have to give and I do hope that all involved consult with the schools on the learning campus as it will affect all of them and the children, parents & staff who travel through Oakhurst or the via the Tadpole Express !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 03, 2010, 07:56:19 PM
Well I wonder how the volume of traffic will impact on the Tadpole Express and what will happen with the speed limit on the Tadpole Express ?????????????

Will the 50 mph school safety zone remain as a 50 mph school safety zone ?
Or will the whole speed limit of the Tadpole Expressway be reviewed ?

Something will have to give and I do hope that all involved consult with the schools on the learning campus as it will affect all of them and the children, parents & staff who travel through Oakhurst or the via the Tadpole Express !!!!!!!!!!!

didnt Councillor Peter Greenhalgh pass comment on this very issue?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on November 03, 2010, 08:04:39 PM


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Oakhurst resident and former Swindon councillor Stephanie Exell says, "these houses do not have to be built because the new Swindon core planning strategy is not fixed and won't be until later in 2011.

"Swindon Council and Justin Tomlinson MP can say now that the Tadpole Farm does not have to go ahead. I think a large number of people in North Swindon would appreciate it if they did."

Well, Justin?...

....Vera?

...any North Swindon Councillor ?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 03, 2010, 09:01:52 PM


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Oakhurst resident and former Swindon councillor Stephanie Exell says, "these houses do not have to be built because the new Swindon core planning strategy is not fixed and won't be until later in 2011.

"Swindon Council and Justin Tomlinson MP can say now that the Tadpole Farm does not have to go ahead. I think a large number of people in North Swindon would appreciate it if they did."

Well, Justin?...

....Vera?

...any North Swindon Councillor ?

i dont think youll get a reply as justin has walked away and vera is probably inspecting tweets
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on November 04, 2010, 02:55:53 AM

We'll give him a little nudge later then.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 04, 2010, 08:42:19 PM

We'll give him a little nudge later then.

the nudge is coming soon......
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Steve Wakefield on November 04, 2010, 08:52:05 PM
Why has the Link and Steph got another story coming?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 04, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Why has the Link and Steph got another story coming?

i have no idea......... :azn:
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 07, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
The developers have been given a crystal clear message what we as local residents would find acceptable and if they choose to not deliver on this, then we, led myself will campaign every inch of the way against this.

The work of the Redhouse Residents Association with me on this has been excellent.

hmm an interesting statement from Mr Tomlinson, so far he has kept true to one of his promises

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the number of houses built being between 1,500 and 2,000, allowing for a better quality development, and a lower number of cars

but for the rest well......that remains to be seen. With the start up of the Oakhurst Residents Association by Steph Exell, after the Redhouse Residents associations dissapearence after Mr Tomlinson went to parliament it is a new chance for the residents of north and west swindon to have their say.

But remember Mr Tomlinson was not the only Councillor to approach Crest Nicholson over the development plans :

Councillor Vera Tomlinson
Councillor Peter Greenhalgh
Councillor Rod Bluh

They have been very quiet havent they?  ???

Mellon
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 18, 2010, 06:15:42 PM
it has just been pointed out to me that a new possible strategic waste site is also planned at chapel farm.....

(http://consult.wiltshire.gov.uk/events/7257/images/web/1122286_0_1.jpg)

if i get some more info ill let you know  O0
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on November 18, 2010, 06:18:07 PM
oops forgot to mention (just had this pointed out aswell

There is a meeting tonight at Isambard Community School tonight regarding the developments! it starts at 7:30 pm (if anything is wrong let me know!)
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Mellon on January 27, 2011, 12:22:17 PM
i recently sent an email to Councillor Keith Williams regarding a meeting concerning the developments of North Swindon and other Councillors attendance, this was the reply i recieved:

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Dear Mr Reid,

I attended the public event hosted at the Roughmoor Hall (bottom of Sandacre Road) by DPDS. Councillor Nick Martin was also at the event.
A separate event was hosted in Purton that Cllr Molly Groom (Wiltshire) attended, but I am not aware of any others.

The developers are pushing ahead and the main problem from my perspective is that Wiltshire do not have a mature core strategy. This could leave them vulnerable on appeal now that the RSS has been overturned; assuming they reject any planning application.
I am also concerned that apart from local Wiltshire Councillors there is little interest in opposing this elsewhere in Wiltshire.
It is therefore essential that any application that does not provide adequate infrastructure provision is resisted.

Please let me know if you have any more questions. If it is easier then give me a call one evening.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Muggins on January 27, 2011, 04:33:38 PM
Mellon Last October: "it has just been pointed out to me that a new possible strategic waste site is also planned at chapel farm....."

Don;t know how I missed that: At 3.4 hectare, That is a more or less one  field by development standards. Mellon

On that visit to Chapel Farm I spoke about on another thread, they showed us the next place one fo the big landfill pits would be put and that was it, I think!  I really wish you could see them - things of wonder.
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: Geoff Reid on June 15, 2012, 12:48:04 AM

What an interesting topic this is, particularly the early contributions made by Justin Tomlinson MP when he was a Borough Councillor for a North Swindon Ward.  As soon as he was elected he vanished from TS.

I've only recently become properly interested in this, so can anyone able to tell me if Mr Tomlinsons recent comments on the Tadpole Farm development are entirely consistent with statements he made in this topic two years ago?
Title: Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
Post by: George Elliot on June 23, 2012, 12:15:26 PM

What an interesting topic this is, particularly the early contributions made by Justin Tomlinson MP when he was a Borough Councillor for a North Swindon Ward.  As soon as he was elected he vanished from TS.

I've only recently become properly interested in this, so can anyone able to tell me if Mr Tomlinsons recent comments on the Tadpole Farm development are entirely consistent with statements he made in this topic two years ago?


You may want to look at the Oakhurst Residents Association website  http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/why-did-tomlinsons-and-leader-attend.html (http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/why-did-tomlinsons-and-leader-attend.html)