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Title: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 14, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
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I wonder if this was prompted by my filming of the budget debate?

Agenda Item 21

Recording and Broadcasting Full Council Meetings
Motion at Council

Cabinet Date: 20th March 2013

Further information on the subject of this report can be obtained from Iain Tucker, Direct
Dial (01793) 463605, itucker@swindon.gov.uk.

Author: Cabinet Member for Strategic Planning and Sustainability
 Chief Executive, Director of Law and Democratic Services

Wards: All
Locality Affected: All
Parishes Affected: All

1. Purpose and Reasons
1.1 At the meeting of Full Council held on 20th December 2012, the following
amended motion was agreed (Minute 82 of the Council refers):
“This Council supports the continued development of a more open, transparent
and accountable politics and press. This Council notes that:
- Full Council in April 2011 passed a motion requesting the Chief Executive
provides a report to Cabinet on the feasibility of recording and broadcasting
Council Meetings via the Council's web site.
- The Labour party request for videoing of Full Council Meetings to commence
from the 2013 Annual Council Meeting
- This Council requests that a Cabinet report is published within three months
investigating the cost and feasibility of fulfilling this request.”
1.2 This report sets out an analysis of a range of options available to the Council to
record and broadcast Full Council meetings. The options range from a
completely free option to options with a more significant cost to the Council,
involving hosting webcasts on the Council’s website, to even more
comprehensive packages in the region of £100,000.
2. Recommendations
Cabinet is recommended to:
2.1 Note the contents of the report, and advise the Chief Executive of the options, if
any, it would wish to see the officers investigate further.
2.2 Note that the cost of recording and broadcasting Full Council meetings with the
market leading solution used by 70 other local authorities would be over £1000
per meeting.
2.3 Note that the Council has never refused a request by the media or a resident to
record a meeting, and,

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2.4 Requests that the Director of Law & Democratic Services works with the
Corporate Governance Working Party on a presumption in favour of recording
meetings by residents, and residents who do record meetings have the same
access to the Full Council Chamber as the media,.
2.5 Requests that the Head of Communications includes social media engagement
by Councillors and residents during Full Council meetings as part of the new
Digital Strategy
2.6 Advise the Council of the contents of this report and the Cabinet’s decision.
3. Detail
Background
3.1 The Council at its meeting on 20th December 2012 requested that the Chief
Executive produce a report for the Cabinet that investigated (a) the feasibility of
recording and broadcasting Council Meetings via the Council's web site and (b)
videoing of Full Council Meetings to commence from the 2013 Annual Council
Meeting. This Motion was a follow up to a similar Motion considered by the
Council in April 2011 (Minute 136, of the Council 2011/12 refers).
3.2 The report takes into account views arising when the motion was debated at the
Council meeting, which highlighted that this report should identify a range of
possibilities and highlight the likely different costs that would apply depending on
the option to be pursued.
3.3 Research for this report was undertaken by way of review of published sources
of information about the recording and broadcasting of local authority meetings,
discussions with colleagues in other relevant local authorities, meetings with
commercial providers of systems enabling the broadcasting / webcasting of
meetings, local community radio and TV providers, relevant Council officers, and
Councillors who have expressed an interest in the recording and broadcasting of
meetings.
3.4 It should be noted that no preferred option is put forward at this stage and the
majority of the costs highlighted are general estimates and the view of likely
costs provided by the organisations involved. Any preferred option would need to
be the subject to a more detailed investigation and report before the Council
reached a decision to proceed.
3.5 There is currently no budget provision to meet any of the financial costs
associated with the introduction of the options outlined in the report. No
amendment was proposed to at the Council’s Budget setting meeting on 21st
February 2013 that might have provided funding for this work.

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3.6 All the options outlined in this report involve staff costs to some degree. These
could be significant in those options that require one or more members of staff to
attend Council meetings.
Webcasting / Broadcasting of Video
3.7 Many professional broadcasting / webcasting systems have been developed to
be simple and robust enough for the Council to operate itself.
3.8 The majority of councils that “webcast” meetings use an outside provider to
“host” their broadcasting. Public-I is the market leader, with over 70 local
authorities and similar organisations using their services.
3.9 The remote hosting of the broadcasting service would remove much of the need
for a council to use its own ICT resources (and associated costs). However, it is
clear that it would be important to establish a clear specification of the Council’s
exact requirements before entering into such an arrangement.
3.10 In particular it is vital that ownership of the contractual arrangements is
determined. Where a council utilises an outside party to provide a service, the
council must be able to ensure that a value for money assessment is undertaken
before entering into a contractual arrangement.
3.11 There are a number of options available to the Council, some professional
utilising “webcasting” technology, some using volunteers or Council staff and less
sophisticated recording methods. These are set out in the report,
 Who Watches Webcasts?
3.12 A recent research report evaluating webcasting estimated that viewers spend on
average 9 minutes at a time viewing. This may correlate with the typical length of
a single item on an agenda and supports the belief that users of the service “tune
in“ only when there is an item being discussed that interests them. Very rarely
would a viewer watch the whole webcast.
3.13 To enable a viewer to tune in for a particular item, so called “chapter points”
would need to be inserted during the webcast so that viewers may find an item of
interest. The options supplied by Media on Demand (Option 10) and Public-i
(Option 11) support this feature. This would also necessitate a member of staff
inserting the chapter points at Council meetings as debates progressed and
items were concluded.
 Who is watched on a Webcast?
3.14 If the public are to be recorded, for example in asking a public question or
presenting a petition, then a balance has to be found between the open and

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transparent nature of the recording of a public council meeting and legitimate
privacy issues of the individual.
3.15 If this option was to be pursued of recording all proceedings of a meeting then
the Council would need, in addition to whichever option it wished to pursue, to
give consideration to producing a “Charter” or “Protocol”. Such a document
would set out clearly the process of recording, the process for handling any
inflammatory statements, and of individuals’ rights to privacy should they not
want to be recorded.
3.16 If a recorded video was “edited” before being posted, then the Council would
need to establish guidelines on the editing process such as: who would make the
decision on what was edited out; would the whole meeting be recorded or just
the decisions, and would public questions and / or petitioners’ statements be
included.
Considerations for recording/webcasting/streaming of meetings
3.17 The current arrangement is that, subject to the agreement of the Council meeting
or the Committee concerned, members of the public may record meetings. The
Council has, as far as its known, never refused a request to record a meeting. As
an alternative to recording its own meetings, the Council could decide to formally
allow any recordings by members of the public.
Demand from residents.
3.18 There has been one request from a resident to record a meeting in the last 12
months.
Topical Search
3.19 Recording of a 3 to 4 hour full council meeting requires a viewer to watch the
whole programme to find out what an individual Councillor said on an agenda
item.
3.20 The ability to search and find out discussions on any topic is only possible
through splitting the video into chapters and inclusion of descriptive text or a
transcript.
Cost effectiveness
3.21 There are on average ten Full Council meetings, so for every £1000 an option is
estimated to costs is equivalent to £100 cost per meeting. There a further ten
Cabinet meetings and at least as many Scrutiny meetings all of which are part of
the Council’s decision making process and which would incur further costs if they
were to be webcast.

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3.22 London Borough of Redbridge undertook a pilot webcasting project that has
subsequently been halted due to resource pressures. The Deputy Leader was
quoted in the local media as saying “I would find it hard to knock on doors and
say, ‘your services are being cut, but don’t worry, you can watch us cutting these
services on Redbridge i’.
3.23 In 2011, Cambridge City Council decided not to film its own meetings; however,
Councillors established a “protocol” to allow anyone to record proceedings. The
protocol was viewed necessary following a complaint referred to the Independent
Complaints Investigator about privacy issues.
3.24 London Borough of Islington was one of only a few Councils that ran its own web
streaming service. It ran a pilot project to broadcast meetings of the full Council
on the Council’s website for a trial period (January to June 2009) and then
continued the service. However, due to financial and service pressures, the
Council has ceased the broadcasting of meetings in 2011.
Engagement
3.25 The eParticipate Trans-European Network for Democratic Renewal and
Engagement published a study in 2005 that found that one of the reasons that
the public don’t engage with local politics is that they don’t believe that they will
have any effect on the process. They see the Local Authorities as a ‘faceless’
bureaucracy and feel they have little chance of effecting or changing it.
3.26 The use of webcasts (broadcasts of video) to address this issue of trust was the
main underpinning of the eParticipate project. The study concluded that “the
advantages of unedited video over other communication channels are numerous:
It enables the viewer to see the source material directly rather than through a
filter or an author or editor. This in and of itself has a big impact on trust. It
associates the actual actors in the process – usually the politicians with the
content. This makes the content more believable and also ‘humanizes’ the
process – both outcomes building trust. By identifying the actual actors the
individual accountability is increased. It provides an immediacy of
communication. Viewers understand that the process is live and happening as
they view it rather than being made up post hoc. The transparency of video
makes it possible for the public to see the individual actors in the democratic
process – perhaps for the first time. This increases their belief in the
accountability of the democratic process: The use of webcasting clearly
increases the openness and accountability of that process.”.
 Social Media
3.27 With the developments in social media in recent years, webcasting does not
accurately represent up to date thinking on how best to engage with the public.

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Social media, unlike webcasting, is participatory and provides a mechanism for
members of the public to participate, for example, this Council’s ‘Big
Conversation’.
3.28 This Council has a Twitter feed with 2,641 followers and a Facebook page.
These have the likely potential to reach a far wider audience than webcasting of
meetings will be able to.
3.29 At Christmas 2012, the Council produced a short film to promote recycling and
changes to rubbish collections. It was heavily promoted on the front page of the
Council’s website and also featured on the popular waste and recycling pages.
Over 3 weeks it attracted 850 views, which was considered quite successful
albeit that the Borough has over 200,000 residents. This was a carefully crafted
and produced film with a high topical interest. The film lasted four minutes.
3.30 Some Council meetings can last 3 to 4 hours. The number of people who will
watch a three-hour Council meeting is likely to be very limited and considerably
less than those interested in Christmas waste collection information. Our own
research highlighted an annual awards ceremony celebrating the work of police
officers that attracted 15 viewers, most of whom were family members who could
not attend the ceremony.
3.31 It appears likely that whatever the solution Councillors eventually choose they will
need to manage their expectations of the amount of viewers that Council
meetings could attract and weigh this against the cost of providing the hosted
Broadcast / webcast service.
3.32 There is also the possibility of a knock-on effect of broadcasting resulting in
Council meetings having less members of the public in attendance; instead
currently active citizens who attend meetings may choose to stay home and
watch the webcast either “live” or at a later date.
Reputational risk
3.33 A number of Local Authorities, including Hampshire County Council, Stoke City
Council, and Leicester City Council, have been criticized in the local and national
press for “wasting taxpayers money” for the costs of their webcasting /
broadcasting solutions in relation to the small number of viewers. In one
instance, a webcast by Stoke City Council attracted 1 (one) viewer. Other
Councils have also been criticized for editing of their webcasts to remove
possible defamatory remarks.
3.34 Hounslow was the first London Borough to webcast its meetings and has recently
taken the decision to stop this as a budget saving measure. The annual cost was
in the region of £50,000 per year, which covered extra staff costs to operate the
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there were technical / software updates or new staff but excluded the initial set
up costs.
3.35 LB Hounslow has indicated that there was no evidence of any significant
backlash from the public or media for removing the service. The Council found
that most viewers were officers, councillors or family members of the same and
there was no increase in attendance at meetings
.
Other Council approaches
3.36 Cornwall Unitary and Epping Forest District Councils provide good examples of
the standard that can be achieved. Cornwall’s webcasting is hosted by Public-I.
Their archive of meetings may be viewed at: http://www.cornwall.public-i.tv/core/. (http://www.cornwall.public-i.tv/core/.)
Each of the webcasts has chapter points inserted for each item on the agenda
and for when Councillors speak.
3.37 Coventry City Council was also quoted as a good example of what could be
provided. This Council recently undertook a review of the second year of their
project. They noted that viewing figures had dropped considerably since the first
year. The authority decided to consult the public on continuing the provision.
They have advised us that they had 194 responses, 54 of which were Councillors
or Council officers. Only 26% of respondents had viewed a webcast. Their
webcast pages received 3,974 “hits” during the period March 2011- October
2012. The average length of a visit was 3 minutes 17 seconds which they advise
probably means that few watched the available archived webcasts.
3.38 Plymouth Council have recently begun webcasting (2012) and believe it is
working well. They have set aside a budget of £20,000 per annum to support this
and use external “hosting”.
3.39 Basingstoke and Waverley councils record and post their own streaming.
Alternative approaches
Transcription
3.40 Mysociety.org is running a pilot project asking for volunteers to transcribe Council
meetings broadcast by way of councils using voice recognition software.
Mysociety itself does not offer a transcription service, nor does it produce voice
recognition software. Instead it offers a way of publishing the completed
transcripts to the web.
3.41 Thought is also being given to the “live” broadcast of transcribed proceedings
using voice recognition software.

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3.42 To pursue a similar approach in Swindon “hardware” to record the audio and
appropriate voice recognition software would need to be acquired. If an
appropriate volunteer could be found to offer the transcription service the output
from the voice recognition software would need to be checked against the
recording for the accuracy of the words used / transcribed. Accurate transcription
could prove to be a very time-intensive process given the length of many Council
meetings and could well run to many hundreds of pages of transcripts. “Live”
transcription would be dependent on the accuracy of the voice recognition
software used and its ability to adjust to different accents and background noise
etc.. The Council should have little problem in publishing transcripts to its own
website using existing software. Live transcription would present similar issues
as those highlighted elsewhere in the report relating to webcasting by way of the
Website.
However, it must remain clear that the transcripts do not take the place of the
Council’s Minutes, which are the formal record of decisions agreed.
Comments of the Head of Communications and Insight.
3.43 It needs to be emphasised that in all of the options there will be a resource
impact on the council in relation to officer time (aside from the costs of the
technical solution) of which there is currently no spare capacity.
Comments of the Head of Information Technology and Strategy.
3.44 Although the possibility of hosting an archive of webcasts / broadcasts on the
Council’s own servers is mentioned in a number of the options set out above, the
Head of Information Technology and Strategy highlights issues to be taken into
account when considering this solution.
3.45 Although it is tempting to think of hosting any recordings of meetings on the
Council’s own servers as being “free” the reality is that there would certainly be a
cost involved. The work would be undertaken by Capita who under its contract
would charge the Council for this service. The Council would have to build a
dedicated site to host the archive. Depending on how many concurrent users
tried to watch the recordings it has the potential to disrupt mission critical Council
services. A separate data line may be needed would could prove cost-prohibitive.
Recording of meetings by the media
3.46 The Council constitution sets out the rules around recording of meetings by the
media, and requires a two-thirds majority of members to vote on refusing any
request. “ Audio and visual recordings of a meeting of the Council, the Cabinet,
Committees and other Council bodies by a recognised media organisations shall
normally be permitted following receipt of a request by the Mayor or Chair of the
meeting. The Mayor or Chair of the meeting shall advise members that the

 
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meeting is being recorded. A request to record a meeting shall only be refused if
the Mayor or Chair of the meeting believes recording would disrupt the meeting
and following a motion to refuse a recording request being passed by a twothirds majority of those members present and voting at the meeting.”
What is Available – The Options
Option 1A – Cost £FREE
3.47 A suggestion arising out of the research for the report was that Councillors could
record portions of the meeting on their iPads or similar devices and upload the
resulting video to an appropriate free public hosting service.
3.48 Whilst this is feasible it should be remembered that iPads and similar devices do
not have an optical-zoom, and any video could look amateurish and not of a
standard appropriate for the formal public representation of the Council.
Option 1B- Cost £FREE
3.49 The Council could enable local residents to record proceedings on their own
equipment and upload the resulting video to an appropriate free public hosting
service.
3.50 The Council could seek a willing member of the public to volunteer to attend all
required meetings and to record proceedings on their own equipment and upload
the resulting video to an appropriate free public hosting service.
3.51 This would have the advantage of being a provision at no cost to the Council.
The disadvantage would be the Council would have no or little real editorial
control over the recording or on the quality of the material uploaded. There would
also be difficulties in ensuring that a “volunteer” or volunteers would be able or
willing to attend all the meetings that the Council wished to have recorded and
broadcast. This could result in a negative view from local residents wishing to be
certain that they would be able to observe all relevant meetings they wished to
view. Research has also indicted that it is believed that more than one camera or
devise would be required to adequately record proceedings in the Borough
Council’s Council Chamber.
3.52 Part of a recent Council meeting was recorded by a single video camera from the
public gallery by a member of public who it is understood hired the equipment at
his own expense. The resulting video is fairly clear, and offers a good picture of
the Mayor and Cabinet, albeit it with no zoom-in function. The sound quality is
patchy, and depending on the Councillor speaking can be hard to hear. The
coverage of non-Cabinet Councillors is poor, and highlights the need for at least
two cameras to cover the whole of the Council Chamber. The video contains

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some closed captions identifying who is speaking, but does not include chapter
points to allow a member of the public to go straight to an item.
Option 2 – Cost £1,000 +
3.53 The Council could buy a portable digital camera and require a member of staff to
attend and record Council meetings. The resulting video could then be hosted on
the Council’s website and/or uploaded to a free public hosting service.
3.54 All organisations and system providers contacted for this report recommended
that at least two cameras should be used to adequately cover all of the
Borough’s Council Chamber. If the Council bought two digital cameras then in
reality it is likely that three members of staff would be required to be involved in
the process and to attend Council meetings; one for each camera, and the third
to decide which camera is ‘live’ and is used for the video, insert chapter marks
etc.
3.55 Should this option be pursued then appropriate training would be needed for this
and adequate resources be provided. It should be noted that uploading a three or
four hour Council meeting to a public hosting service, if an appropriate one could
be found, would be a very time-intensive process for the person involved.
Alternatively, the Council could host the resulting video on its own website.
Staffing and training costs have been excluded from this estimate.
Option 3 – Swindon 105.5 Radio Station: Cost: £800-£1,000 Start up and
£6,000 per year
3.56 Swindon 105.5 is a local community driven volunteer radio station. The
organisation indicated that it could live stream and record an audio only recording
of Council meetings. This option would utilize the existing microphone system in
the Council Chamber. A representative from Swindon 105.5 would attend each
Council meeting to set up equipment and monitor the live stream and recording.
A ‘listen-again’ archive could be kept on either the Council’s or Swindon 105.5’s
website
3.57 Swindon 105.5 has close ties to Swindon TV. It indicated that once the audio
only option was successfully running there may be an option for video (visual) as
well utilising their contacts. There was no indication provided on the “Video” cost.
Options 4 & 5 – Swindon Create Studios
3.58 Swindon Create Studios is an award-winning digital media organisation which
delivers digital arts productions. It is currently part of the Borough Council and
has worked closely with other departments, schools and community
organizations to provide media solutions. Create Studios has suggested the
following two options:

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Option 4 – Swindon Create Studios; Cost £9,484.49 per year or £5,984.49
(without tape archiving)
3.59 To record and livestream with two HDV cameras (with operators) and using the
output of the microphone system already present in the Council Chamber. Backups would be made with tapes in the cameras which would then be edited
together and archived on the Council’s website.
Option 5 – Swindon Create Studios: Cost £4,084.49 per year (dependant on
testing)
3.60 This option utilizes the technology already in the Council Chamber. Using the
standard definition cameras to input into a mixer and then output the audio to a
laptop which could then stream the webcast live. A representative from Create
Studios would attend each meeting to monitor and manage the live feed. The
manual controls for the cameras would need to be moved out of the supply room
at the rear of the Chamber at an additional cost to the Council.
Options 6, 7, 8 and 9 – Swindon Viewpoint: Cost: See each option
3.61 Swindon Viewpoint is a volunteer run Internet television ‘channel’ for Swindon. It
is Britain’s first and longest running public-access television service, and is
notable for being owned by the public. Swindon Viewpoint has suggested the
following four possible options to the Council:
Option 6, Basic. Cost First Year: £750 On-going: £250 per year
3.62 Install basic digital camera as an addition to existing equipment. Train a member
of the Council’s staff to attend each meeting required and record to a “solid state”
device, compress the file and transfer to Swindon Viewpoint, who would upload
the video publishing on its front page at www.swindonviewpoint.com (http://www.swindonviewpoint.com). This option
excludes the Council’s cost in relation to the attendance of an additional member
of staff at all required meetings and the access to the software required to
compress and transfer the relevant recording.
Option 7, Intermediate. Cost First Year £5,750 On-going: £2,750 per year
3.63 Install digital camera and three monitors to upgrade existing equipment. Swindon
Viewpoint staff would attend each meeting and control cameras for accurate
framing and close ups. Swindon Viewpoint would undertake post-production of
the “programme” (without removing actual content) to ‘top and tail’ add titles and
remove any ‘dead space’ and insert “chapter points”.
3.64 Programme would then be published on a dedicated SBC channel of
www.swindonviewpoint.com (http://www.swindonviewpoint.com). Programmes would be archived on Swindon
Viewpoint.

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Option 8, Live streaming and ancillary programming. Cost First Year:
UNKNOWN but circa £66,500. On-going: £47,500 per year
3.65 The Council would fund a full time employee of Swindon Viewpoint to act as a
“Public Service TV Co-ordinator” who would record each meeting supported by
up to three other camera operators working on a per diem basis. Meetings would
be recorded in high definition, visually mixed and simultaneously live webcast. A
follow-up programme would be transmitted with a designated Member in studio
taking questions sent in by the public. The Public Service TV Co-ordinator would
make other public service programmes during the year as designated by the
Council.
Option 9, as option 3 but with full marketing and promotion budget, Cost
First Year: UNKNOWN but circa £96,500. On-going: £71,500 per year
3.66 With options 9 and 10 above, Swindon Viewpoint would work with the Council to
identify all existing resources and avenues that can be deployed and tender the
lowest cost.
Option 10 – Media on Demand (Webcasting Provider) Cost:
A: £16, 230 in the first year (4 cameras) and £6,300 each additional year.
Training: (typical) £1,450
B: £11,440 in the first year (2 cameras) and £5,300 each additional year
Training (typical): £1,450
3.67 Media On Demand offer a flexible webcasting solution, designed to be used by
non-technical staff and includes the ability to view webcasts live, and/or prerecorded.
3.68 It includes a microsite which enables the Council to put relevant information both
from internal and external sources alongside webcasts. Documents associated
with the event can be attached. These include plans, images, agendas, minutes
and presentations.
3.69 The pricing is based on a 12 month hosting period for any individual webcast and
includes live streaming of up to 500 concurrent streams and unlimited availability
of on-demand content.
3.70 This solution integrates with Modern.gov agenda publishing software (which the
Council uses) to ensure maintaining links to committee documentation and
presentation material.
3.71 This Option includes -
3.72 Purchase of Four (or two, dependant on cost) cameras and includes camera
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3.73 Broadcast Control Unit hardware and software for producing live and on-demand
webcasts
3.74 A User Microsite as the web interface for the target audience.
3.75 An Administrators Microsite for the management of the web streaming content.
3.76 Hosting on Media On Demand’s own Content Delivery Network.
3.77 Support services to include training, production, maintenance and consulting.
3.78 Five hours per month hosting.
3.79 The cost for this option does not include cabling for cameras and integration with
any existing audio system which would require a separate company to install.
3.80 A member of staff would be required to attend Council meetings to control the
cameras for optimum results and to upload the video feed. This cost is excluded
from the estimate provided by the company.
Option: 11 - Public-I (Webcasting Provider) Cost: for 3 year contracts: (with
all equipment being leased)
Contract Type Total Cost Year 1 Year 2 Year 3
Connect with Public-i Cameras £35,814 £14,383 £10,715 £10,715
Connect without Public-i Cameras £31,855 £12,793 £9,531 £9,531
Connect Social with Public-i Cameras £50,754 £20,383 £15,185 £15,185
Connect Social without Public-i Cameras £46,795 £18,793 £14,001 £14,001
3.81 Public-I are the market leaders in webcasting Council meetings, with over 70
local authorities and similar organisations using their services.
3.82 They have recently undergone a revised site layout and video player design
which works across multiple devices such as mobiles, tablet and browsers,
3.83 Their latest offering places as much emphasis on social media tools as it does on
straightforward webcasting. It has the ability for Councillors to create their own
on-line profiles which will link to whenever they speak at Council meetings, and
the topic they spoke on. It can also link to their Twitter feed if they have one.
3.84 This makes it really simple for members of the public to identify, monitor and
interact with Councillors and find out what they’re really saying and doing on key
local issues. It will provide an accurate record for Members of what they actually
said on an issue by indexing their contribution in every webcast archived.

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3.85 “Connect” offers as an option a Live Chat and a Twitter stream alongside each
other. The live Chat during webcasts provides a live help facility for anyone
watching the webcast as well as a live backchannel for discussion of the issues
being raised. The Live Chat is moderated, and would require a member of
Council staff to be allocated to monitor to ensure that only comments which are
relevant to the webcast are published. The cost of this element is excluded from
the company’s estimate. Relevant Twitter posts can also be published and
archived with the chat, so the mood of both those participating in the webcast as
well as those watching is archived along with the webcast.
3.86 This solution integrates with Modern.gov agenda publishing software (which the
Council uses) to ensure maintaining links to committee documentation and
presentation material.
3.87 There is also the ability to set up an internet forum which members of the public
could register to join and ask questions of the Council. Members of staff would be
needed to moderate this.
3.88 A “Share” feature appears at the bottom of every page to encourage members of
the public to promote the webcast, and an embed facility allows the pubic to
embed the webcast directly on other sites.
3.89 Their premium product “ConnectSocial” allows local authorities to require
members of the public to register an account and log in, and provides the ability
for the Council to erect a “paywall”.
3.90 The cost for this option does not include cabling for cameras and integration with
existing audio system which would require a separate company to install.
3.91 A member of staff would be required to attend Council meetings to control the
cameras for optimum results and to upload the video feed. This cost is again
excluded from the estimate provided,
Summary
3.92 Each option detailed in the report reflects a different price point and a slightly
different way of achieving the same objective.
3.93 The cheapest option is likely to involve the Council editing and posting its own
webcast using local video footage. There is the danger that this would look
amateurish, not reflect well on the reputation of the Council and still requires the
time of an officer to be taken into account.
3.94 The most expensive would result in a high production value product with links to
other forms of social media but at some cost to the Council.

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3.95 There would be potentially “hidden costs” relating to all the options through the
requirement for in-house expertise; increased IT and web capacity as well as
additional expenditure for equipment (e.g. cameras and an encoder), and other
IT licenses.
4. Alternative Options
4.1 Alternative options are set out in the report.
4.2 The Council could decide to have a live Twitter feed from Council meetings,
which, except for costs associated with Officer time would be completely free.
4.3 The Council could seek to use its consultation mechanisms to seek the public’s
view on whether they would see the recoding and broadcasting of Council
meetings either “live” or in a recorded form as a good idea, compared to the
costs involved.
5. Implications, Diversity Impact Assessment and Risk Management
Financial and Procurement Implications
5.1 There is currently no budget provision to meet any of the financial costs
associated with the introduction of the options outlined in the report. No
amendment was proposed to at the Council’s Budget setting meeting on 21st
February 2013 that might have provided funding for this work.
5.2 All the options outlined in the report involve staff costs to some degree. These
could be significant in those options that require one or more members of staff to
attend Council meetings.
5.3 The costings in this report should be viewed only as estimates provided by the
organisations concerned. Preferred options would need to be more thoroughly
investigated prior to the Council making any final decision.
5.4 No testing of existing equipment has been carried out. A number of the
companies offered to do this, however they would have charged the Council for
this service and this was not felt appropriate until the views of Members on the
options available was obtained.
5.5 Variable factors affecting broadcasting using the Council’s Website such as IT,
bandwidth used, the number of concurrent users and the number of hours hosted
could significantly affect the final costs for the Council and this could only be
assessed once a preferred option or options for further investigation have been
identified.

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5.6 In addition to this, and, particularly in the current financial climate, an important
corporate consideration is the cost associated with implementing and operating a
system versus the perceived level of use/interest from residents of the Borough.
5.7 If an option was adopted utilising cameras operated by a Swindon Borough
Council employee(s). Staff (and costs) would need to be identified and allowance
made for training costs and for that training to be maintained to reflect system
developments. The staffing involvement is required under most of the options put
forward. Allowance would also need to be given to the availability of additional
adequately trained staff to provide cover in the event of sickness or other
absence,
5.8 All of the options outlined in the report require some degree of officer (and in
many cases Capita staff) time. This is not reflected in any of the costs identified
to date.
5.9 The use of an external supplier to provide hosting and broadcasting facilities is
common practice within many of the councils offering the service. These
specialist providers will help negate the need to involve internal IT resources in
the operation of broadcasting meetings. However, it will be necessary for IT
Services to be involved in the formation of any new system, to ensure the
provision of appropriate networking capacity and integration with the Council’s
website, and where practical with Modern.Gov, the Council’s software for
publishing its agendas and minutes on-line.
5.10 If Cabinet identifies a preferred option and agrees to implement this it would be
advisable that this be done on a pilot basis in order that a review can be
undertaken after a period of one year.
5.11 The costs referred to in this report are for recording and broadcasting (via the
internet / webcasting) Full Council meetings in the Council Chamber only. There
is a set amount of hours that would be hosted in a number of the options.
Including the Planning Committee, for example (which also meets in the Council
Chamber) would mean an increase in the number of hours hosted and therefore
an increase in cost. It was not within the scope of this report to look at
webcasting from Committee Rooms One to Six, however, as a rough benchmark,
Media On Demand (Option 10) have indicated that a portable system of cameras
which could be used in Committee Room Six (subject to being able to
successfully integrate with the existing microphone system) would be in the
region of £11,440 in the first year and £5,300 every year after. Committee Rooms
One to Five would also need an audio system which would further increase the
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Legal and Human Rights Implications
5.12 Legal and Human Rights considerations have been taken fully into account in
compiling this report. It is considered that the recommendations of this report are
compatible with convention rights.
5.13 There is no legal restriction in relation to webcasting meetings, although where a
resolution is passed excluding the press and public because there is to be
consideration of exempt or confidential information, this part of the meeting
should not be webcast.
5.14 In order to ensure that the Council remains compliant with its obligations under
the Data Protection Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998 it would be prudent
to agree a protocol to ensure members of the public attending such meetings are
aware that the meeting is to be filmed. The protocol should also address the
situation where meetings are determining an individual’s application and where
individuals making representations in such matters have concerns about being
filmed. The Council’s data protection policies and procedures may need
amending to reflect this.
All Other Implications (including Staff, Sustainability, Health, Rural, Crime and
Disorder)
5.15 Depending on which options in undertaken, there will be staffing implications for
those attending Council meetings.
Links to One Swindon, Strategic Objectives, Plans and Policies
5.16 No specific links have been identified.
Diversity Impact Assessment
5.17 A Diversity Impact Assessment has not been completed for this report at this
stage as the report sets out a number of diverse options without any certainty of
which might be pursued. A Diversity Impact Assessment may be required at a
later stage of the process.
5.18 However, it is recognised that broadcasting /webcasting of proceedings, in
particular, will have potential impacts on age, disability and gender grounds.
Further work and consultation with relevant groups and organisations to look at
the issues surrounding this option(s) in more detail will need to be undertaken.
5.19 Older people do not access the web as readily as younger residents do, and
therefore broadcasting utilising the Council’s website will not improve
accessibility for them. Similarly elderly residents have a greater fear of crime and
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not improve this situation. In terms of gender, males access the web more than
females and therefore webcasting would have a greater impact on males than
females. In terms of disability, webcasting / broadcasting could positively impact
on residents with a physical disability, who if wishing to attend a Council meeting
will have the opportunity to watch (or listen to) the meeting from home. We are
unable to estimate the numbers this would affect. However, for residents with a
sensory or learning disability in the same situation, webcasting / broadcasting will
not make a difference to them.
5.20 If introduced, to fully comply with equalities legislation the Council would need to
think about producing a transcript of the meeting if the webcasts / broadcasts
were archived, or including closed caption content with the live stream. Though
technically feasible this is a time consuming and expensive feature which could
possibly be offered on demand only.
Risk Management
5.21 This will mostly be reputational, For example, as with any broadcast of a live
event, there are inherent risks involved. Depending on the option chosen the
Council may not able to edit a video before it is streamed live over the Internet, or
to retain the public’s trust in the integrity of the video. It may also be difficult to
ensure that individuals will not be able to subsequently inappropriately edit the
archive. This risk would be mitigated if the Council controlled the recording,
editing and hosting of the material. The Council will have no control if an
individual or the media takes a portion of a webcast and uses it for their own
purposes.
6. Consultees
6.1 The Board Director Finance, Revenues, Benefits and Property (Section 151
Officer) and Director of Law and Democratic Services (Monitoring Officer) are
consulted in respect of all reports.
7. Background Papers
7.1 None.
8. Appendices
8.1 None.
9. Key Decision/Decision in Forward Plan
9.1 This is not a Key Decision and is included in the Cabinet Work Programme /
Forward Plan for March 2012.

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Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Simon on March 14, 2013, 06:37:44 PM
Unless I've missed something in reading that, I think they've missed something. There's lots of talk about needing 2 cameras to properly cover the meeting and therefore needing 2 people (volunteers or officers) to operate the camera.

It doesn't seem to mention the fact that there are already some cameras installed which automatically centre on whichever seat has its little red microphone light lit, for the purposes of displaying on the big screens in the corners of the room. Surely it's possible to plug some kind of video recording device into the output from those cameras?
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Spunkymonkey on March 14, 2013, 06:40:40 PM
Carmarthenshire Council had some one arrested for filming a council meeting:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21531442 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21531442)

But, now that have agreed to broadcast live and unedited on the web:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-21579867 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-21579867)

The report states that "Eric Pickles, the UK Secretary for Communities and Local Government, last week entered the debate on Twitter under the hashtag #daft arrest, saying that the law had been changed in England last year, allowing people to report, tweet and film council meetings."

It appears that permission is not required to film council meetings.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Spunkymonkey on March 14, 2013, 06:46:18 PM
Article on the BBC website today ................ "Live online council meeting broadcasts in Bristol have been watched by as few as three people, the BBC has learned. The city council has been webcasting a range of meetings since 2008 to improve openness and accountability of local decision making. Other meetings have attracted more than 14,000 live views and the council said webcasting was a "huge success". Some councillors said the project, which has cost £100,000 over five years, may need to be reconsidered."

Full story here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-21769513 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-21769513)
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Simon on March 14, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
I'm not sure that webcasting, broadcasting the meeting live, is the most important outcome. I think the archived recordings are more important, so that people can revisit a meeting a year or two after it was held and check exactly what a particular cllr said on the subject of, say, their directorship or otherwise of a particular company.

I suspect that bringing webcasting into the equation would increase the challenges and costs quite significantly, with little benefit to show for it - I doubt there's a great deal of demand for watching these meetings live.

Stick to the idea of recording the meetings and publishing the recording fairly soon afterwards, I say. Personally, I wouldn't mind if it took a day or 2 to get the videos published.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 14, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
I agree entirely Simon.

When I videod the budget debate I missed a lot of the detail as I was concentrating on the filming and not on what was actually happening in the chamber.  It was really interesting to see it again, as a recording, and note the detail.  It is now encapsulated for all time and that is what I would like to see for ALL meetings of Swindon Borough Council including all Cabinet and Committee Meetings.

Does anyone think we should ask to video the Cabinet on March 20th when they actually discuss this subject?
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Spunkymonkey on March 14, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
I agree that archived recordings would be more useful, providing that they are a true reflection of the meeting and not politically edited highlights.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Simon on March 14, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
I agree that archived recordings would be more useful, providing that they are a true reflection of the meeting and not politically edited highlights.

Provided that they are a true reflection...  Squarely upon head does hammer hit nail. Whoever is responsible for transforming the raw footage from the meeting into what is published on the interwebs, needs to be trusted to ensure that the published video is an accurate representation of what actually happened.

Who can be trusted to do this? If volunteers from the general public do it then they can be accused of selective editing to support their favoured cause. Likewise, if council officers do it then they could be accused of selective editing to support the cause of whoever decides whether or not they still have a job tomorrow. If the ruling group get to direct the person who does it then it's little more than another bit of local government propaganda.

This is a tricky question, and I'm afraid I don't have an answer to it at the moment  :-\
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mickraker on March 15, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
If it was recorded onto a DVD or other medium it could be archived in the Library or at Wiltshire archives. In a few years people will look back and think why was this such a difficult thing to do when they put a man on the moon 44years previously  :-\
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on March 15, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
So the answer is easy, just record, don't edit, cost less too!   

I agree archive recording. Its easy enough these days even for an old dear like me to find the two minutes I want out of a hour's recording.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mickraker on March 15, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
So the answer is easy, just record, don't edit, cost less too!   

I agree archive recording. Its easy enough these days even for an old dear like me to find the two minutes I want out of a hour's recording.

Isn't technology amazing  :clap:
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on March 15, 2013, 11:12:12 AM
So the answer is easy, just record, don't edit, cost less too!   

I agree archive recording. Its easy enough these days even for an old dear like me to find the two minutes I want out of a hour's recording.

Isn't technology amazing  :clap:


It's still a miracle every day to me Mickr. I still don't take it for granted..blooming amazing.

Off to try and do a text on me fancy phone!

By the way what is this tapatalk thingy, how does it work, what does it cost, where can i get it  and would it help me?
Title: Re: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: komadori on March 15, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
So the answer is easy, just record, don't edit, cost less too!
The only way to avoid editing is if it is linked to members turning on the microphone at their seat. As there's already cameras linked to that maybe it'll be simple to do.

Sent from my GT-S5360 using Xparent Green Tapatalk thingy (a program on a mobile phone for viewing forums, and costing a couple of golden beer tokens).

Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on March 15, 2013, 02:48:55 PM
So the answer is easy, just record, don't edit, cost less too!
The only way to avoid editing is if it is linked to members turning on the microphone at their seat. As there's already cameras linked to that maybe it'll be simple to do.

Sent from my GT-S5360 using Xparent Green Tapatalk thingy (a program on a mobile phone for viewing forums, and costing a couple of golden beer tokens).



First, part, I see, not as simple as just uploading it all then.  There I am, making the same mistake as so many, assuming that things are easier than what they are, without out knowing how they work and reading the paperwork properly. the only difference beign that I am willing to listen adn learn. Arumph.....

2nd part, that me done for then, no golden beer tokens - do you think they'd take a few greenshield stamps instead? Bet you i could find some if I needed to.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mickraker on March 16, 2013, 05:29:34 AM
Recording meetings for posterity should be something the council would welcome surely  :-\

Recording local democracy in action could be entertainment for future generations if it's good enough for Mr Cholmondley-Warner why not local councils  :-\

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=toLbQd9uriI&feature=related (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=toLbQd9uriI&feature=related)

Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mart on March 16, 2013, 09:11:35 AM
Is it really cheaper to scribble down a truncated and sometimes editorially enhanced set of minutes than it is to simply digitally record meetings?

I'm not a whiz on such things but it occurs to me that my music collection is now almost entirely digital, it's definitely more accessible and cheaper than buying sheet music and gathering round the old joanna. Isn't that a reasonable metaphor  / analogy for the argument here?

Not at all surprised that SBC could spend the equivalent of Guatemala's GDP to record meetings, I always expect to see a 0 on the end of anything they procure and see nothing unusual in them using their probable purchasing inpetitude as a defence in this instance, bit odd from a body that knew everything there was to know about matters Digital such a short time ago though ....

It'd keep Rob happy as well, he could check all recordings for evidence of reptilian behaviour, I'd expect something more simian in nature personally.

It can be done very cost effectively, 'they' don't want it to be done because it lifts the rock.

Pisses me off they we have to ask for something that should be offered, makes you wonder who is in charge.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on March 16, 2013, 10:23:21 AM

Mart:  Is it really cheaper to scribble down a truncated and sometimes editorially enhanced set of minutes than it is to simply digitally record meetings?

I can give you the answer to that, although you already know know it, NO its not, to produce a set of minutes you obviously have to sit through the meeting. 

To be creative about what you include or not takes a while, and actually typing it take a few less minutes that it used when we had the old upright typewriters, even with years more experience.

When they first came out, I bought myself one of those small recorders so I could take part in meetings rather than be jotting down notes.  That didn't work, I had to sit through the flipping meeting again to get to the bits that needed noting.  I found that having a good memory, knowing what was going on and doing the minutes asap after the meeting was the best thing.
I paid out a coupl of years back and got one of those type by sound programmes, but no matter how hard I 'trained' it it refused to speak the same language as me, so took as long to edit it as it did to type from the notes and memory.

If I had a way of sending the minutes round and keeping them for the archive, the best would be a full recording.  It would cost me less time and if I was being paid  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
therefore less money and more efficient.

Mind, if I did that, and exactly the same as a business or council meeting, you'd get the WHOLE meeting, warts and all!  Probably cause WW3.

Have you noticed how many warts there are about these days?



Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 16, 2013, 11:28:08 AM
Is it really cheaper to scribble down a truncated and sometimes editorially enhanced set of minutes than it is to simply digitally record meetings?

Having taken minutes myself I can tell you it is a challenging occupation, but if one had a recording to which to refer back there would be absolutely no excuse as their accuracy.  No more Mr Symonds asked a question about Wi-fi, the minutes should show the question in its entirety and the response and not some abbreviated nonsense that takes the meaning away.  If it were to be videoed in its entirety this would prove exactly what was said and how it was handled

Not at all surprised that SBC could spend the equivalent of Guatemala's GDP to record meetings, I always expect to see a 0 on the end of anything they procure and see nothing unusual in them using their probable purchasing inpetitude as a defence in this instance, bit odd from a body that knew everything there was to know about matters Digital such a short time ago though ....

As the Borough Solicitor knows I have suggested that the Media Studies students at the College should be invited to get involved as part of their study and course work.  If this were handled properly I am sure this could be organized without cost.  That assumes Rod does not offer money we have not got and needed elsewhere!!

It'd keep Rob happy as well, he could check all recordings for evidence of reptilian behaviour.

and his own Mart!!

It can be done very cost effectively, 'they' don't want it to be done because it lifts the rock.

Exactly, and I expect a raft of excuses as to why it cannot be done.  I hope to be proven wrong and will be delighted if I am.

Pisses me off they we have to ask for something that should be offered, makes you wonder who is in charge.

You know who is in charge Mart and it is not the electorate, who only assume a position of responsibility when they elect or in the case of the 70% disinterested enough to ignore their right to vote don't elect a person of their choice.  Now if a non of the above box was entertained I suggest that it would get elected across the borough, but could it form an administration?

Are you coming along on Wednesday night to witness this Mart?  Haven't seen you for a while!
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: komadori on March 16, 2013, 12:22:52 PM
Is it really cheaper to scribble down a truncated and sometimes editorially enhanced set of minutes than it is to simply digitally record meetings?
Whilst the 'doing' might be a lot cheaper digitally, it's very easy for the cost of setting it all up to start with to get out of hand - very out of hand. If you want it to be free from editorial interference, then it has to be a system with some automation, so that it isn't dependent on a council employee or councillor (or anyone else with their own agenda, political or otherwise) to dictate what gets recorded. So that's either the cost of new automation, or using the system they've already got that's linked to the microphones. But if the system they've already got isn't designed to work with a recording system, then there's the cost of getting the existing camera system and the new recording system to work together. And then there's the cost of software licenses, or of maintenance....

Not at all surprised that SBC could spend the equivalent of Guatemala's GDP to record meetings
And there's a long history of failed, expensive IT procurmenet projects that show many others could spend the same too.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Bobby Bingo on March 16, 2013, 02:05:03 PM
I notice that "Reindeer Man" has his grinning picture in the local press again today. He is advocating that we twit. This is advice from a right "TW*T"
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on March 16, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
so only those with the equipment and knowledge can find out stuff and give our opinion and isn't Twitting meant to be short and sweet?

Good way of missing out the detail.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Spunkymonkey on March 16, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
The twitter story doesn't appear to be online, but I had a free read while waiting for takeaway.

I assume that councillors are too busy concentrating on what others are saying to be able to tweet during meetings. Presumably councillors listen to proceedings otherwise what is the point of being there.  :wakeup:

I think Dale fancies a new smart phone on expenses.  :smiley6600:
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mart on March 17, 2013, 02:40:27 PM
Are you coming along on Wednesday night to witness this Mart?  Haven't seen you for a while!

The cumulative effects of man flu (surpisingly severe, even by man flu standards) combined with a molar removal (after 4 months of feckin about with infections, mouthwash and antibiotics) and the Eternal Radiance recovering from her op, plus working my feckin b0ll0cks off mean I must sadly decline. The gravy train is noticeably bereft of gravy in the siding I occupy.

I am presently bolloxed with no respite in sight until second week of April, when I shall catch up with everything I ain't doing now.

I expect my aura is a dull brown and I should go and suck a crystal or sumfink, mebbe's peruse the Interweb for signs of conspiracies and complain that people can't see with their eyes shut, hear with their ears closed or crap properly with their heads up their arses.

Or just man up and go to soddin work, same as always.

Isn't self pity cathartic?

Right, over it now. Love to be there, but have an opticians appointment at 18:45 because I'm presently having some difficulty distinguishing my arse from my elbow. You'll have to make do with the usual sarcastic afterthought.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: bobwright on March 17, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Richard - The matter being discussed goes back some time although your recording showed how simple it is. Mark Dempsey and I put forward a motion about 2 years ago. Like a couple of other motions no action was taken until the administration was reminded. The previous response had been fairly negative due to high costs associated with other councils broadcasts. I basically stated there were cheaper ways.

I investigated using the existing Audio/Picture system however the upgrade cost was meant to be prohibitive. It can work in line with the buttons being used for the Audio system however at a  time when we are trying to reduce costs it did not seem right.

I then spoke to Swindon Viewpoint and Radio105.5. Both were positive they could achieve fairly low costs. In addition at Christmas the Christmas Carol Service was filmed in HD and a very good sound/vision quality recording was achieved. I have also said the simplest way would to simply record/stream one of our large screen broadcasts. Even a good quality lap top with a skype link can do that.

You may also recall that Peter Greenhalgh suggested a site like Talkswindon for council issues. I am not sure how much this would cost Geoff however I would be interested.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 18, 2013, 10:05:35 AM
I see Reindeer Heenan is at it again!!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10294103.Councillor_wants_meetings_to_be_Tweeted/

Councillor wants meetings to be Tweeted

12:00pm Sunday 17th March 2013 in News

A Swindon Council meeting
A SENIOR Swindon councillor is encouraging members to Tweet during meetings in a bid to boost public engagement in the authority’s decisions.

Coun Dale Heenan, cabinet member for strategic planning and sustainability, is encouraging the use of Twitter and other social media following calls for meetings to be filmed and broadcast live online, which he claims would be costly and less effective.

Officers worked up a feasibility study into webcasting meetings following a campaign by Coun Mark Dempsey, the deputy Labour group leader, who is also Labour’s prospective Parliamentary candidate for Swindon North.

The outcome, to be discussed at Wednesday’s cabinet, says the cost of webcasting with the market leading solution, used by 70 other councils, would be more than £1,000 per meeting.

The report also sets out other cheaper options, including councillors or a volunteer resident recording meetings on their own devices and uploading footage to a free public hosting service; the council buying portable digital cameras, operated by staff members, and uploading the video; or streaming the audio only on Swindon 105.5.

But Coun Heenan said: “People would rather watch EastEnders or Coronation Street than watch a council meeting. I don’t think it will improve community engagement in any way. It’s a late 1990s idea that it will contribute in any way.

“It’s a real shame that, given the priorities and issues facing the borough, this is no more than a distraction and I cannot justify why the council should spend £90,000 over a few years.

”Many councillors already Tweet during the course of the meeting to the people which follow them on Twitter. And we reach a far wider audience that you would if the meeting was recorded.

“I would like to see that encouraged, and maybe there are other ways of doing social media, which is a fraction of cost and is more effective.

“The borough council has over 2,000 followers on its Twitter account. I have 120 and other councillors have 4/5/600 people following them. People can actually ask questions so they are re-Tweeting what we’ve said during the course of the meeting.”

However, Coun Heenan said the council needed to find a way to encourage councillors to use social media properly so it did not become a distraction in debates.

Coun Mark Dempsey said: “I think if we can find a cost-effective way, we should be webcasting.

“Tweeting is a second-hand account of a meeting. Webcasting gives people a first-hand account of a meeting.”


I have the pleasure of watching Council in action.  I have witnessed members reading magazines and tweeting and playing on their computers and not doing what they are there for and that is engaging in the business of Council.  Is this acceptable?  i suggest not!

Unfortunately, the Adver have used a photograph of a Council meeting that is not Full Council, but possibly Planning or the preamble to Cabinet as I can only recognize just one Councillor and is John Ballman.

Being the member of the public who recorded the Budget Debate without cost I just hope they will not send this into the long grass as I expect.

Meanwhile, in St Albans from where I am writing this contribution I read in the Community News that was sent out with the Council Tax Bills:-

Take Part, Influence and Comment

Curious about Council Meetings?  Want to have your say on issues affect the district?

You can Browse the latest meetings and consultations online at www.stalbans.gov.uk (http://www.stalbans.gov.uk).  Many meetings are webcast and you can view them from the comfort of your own home, or in person on the night.  Everyone is welcome.

How nice to feel wanted.  I sometimes feel my presence is tolerated but not welcome.  Anyone else feel the same?

and

unless I missed it St Albans is not one of the examples quoted in the Cabinet papers, so is this facility more widely available than we are required to be believed.

Although I expect they will refuse this facility it will only reinforce the public perception that the Council is an unaccountable necessity that we have to tolerate rather than something that provides us with the services we require.

Time to Change!
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 18, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
The comments on the Adver article are getting interesting with a notable contribution from our erstwhile contributor Andy Harrison, unless he has reincarnated in yet another pseudonym!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10294103.Councillor_wants_meetings_to_be_Tweeted/

sn5 says...
12:26pm Sun 17 Mar 13

Interesting idea, the advantage of tweeting is it is a 2 way process which is better than broadcasting the meeting which is just listening to councillors.

Really, how many people are going to watch the broadcasts of the councillors?

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stratton man says...
12:42pm Sun 17 Mar 13

I expect my elected representatives to be concentrating on business in hand not entertaining their mates on twitter.I am not surprised to see the shameless self publicist Cllr Heenan an enthusiast but am disappointed that Cllr Dempsey who seems clued up also supported this idea.Many Councillors seem to think their vacuous views are of interest to us .I have news for you we dont give a monkeys

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Hmmmf says...
1:51pm Sun 17 Mar 13

I'm sure there'll be legions of 15 year-old girls glued to their smartphones while councillors are busy talking to their 'followers' with their thumbs. Doubtless Twitter will be grateful too, it'll help them hit their $1billion advertising revenue goal this year.

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AndyJH says...
3:00pm Sun 17 Mar 13

I used Facebook and Twitter in meetings to engage directly with my constituents regularly whilst a councillor, much to the distain of some councillors who tried to have me stopped. Rules were brought in by the council so that whist members could post the subjects under discussion and anything that the poster might have said themselves, they were barred from quoting in posts what either other elected members or council officers were saying. Totally wrong as those in the public gallery can post as they will.

As for being distracted, if you can’t multitask a little then you’re not going to be much use as a councillor anyway.

Webcasting meetings is nothing new and has been suggested many times, including by myself and others. I have even gone so far as to suggest that local libraries, which share the same council web server, could be used to allow residents unable to travel into the Civic Offices to ask public questions and view council meetings.

The fear I believe is not with the elected members, nor even the alleged costs, but certain archaic officers who rule the roost in a manner not dissimilar to “Sir Humphrey Appleby” Certain Officers certainly would not want recorded for all time the actual advice that they gave elected members and may well explain why council minutes contain scant details of actual events.

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Oliver Dummassie says...
3:58pm Sun 17 Mar 13

Councillor Heenan seems to be talking with a forked tongue as usual.

Nobody wants edited footage or chosen titbits of information.

If the council is attempting to demonstrate open and transparent democracy then it should not transmit anything less than full footage via a webcast

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LordAshOfTheBrake says...
7:09pm Sun 17 Mar 13

The problem with tweeting is that it will usually be an opinion or an interpretation of what is said; rather than what is actually said.


@AndyJH

The idea that you could accurately tweet in real time what is being discussed whilst being an active participant is ludicrous.

If you think otherwise, I suggest that you use your skills to keep the accurate minutes that you claim are lacking.

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Silver Lining says...
8:47pm Sun 17 Mar 13

Tweets from individual councillors costs nothing, so I guess it's up to them to do it if they feel it's worthwhile. And individual members of the public will decide whether their tweets are worth reading.

Webcasts are expensive though and,given the financial pressures the council faces, I would have thought that it could be used in a better way.

At the end of the day, if anyone is remotely interested in listening to the meeting, they can go along to the meetings and watch them from the public gallery. That is, unless they haven'nt got some paint they want to watch dry!

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Eastern Badger says...
10:16pm Sun 17 Mar 13

This would be another opportunity for Dale Heenan to give a one sided view of council proceedings. It's enough that his picture is associated with every act at the council as portrayed in the Advertiser but his tweets would add to the impression that he believes he is the only one with an opinion. In planning as so many other matters he 'bluffs' his knowledge.

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Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 18, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
Anyone going on Wednesday night to see how the New Leader handles this issue?
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Mart on March 19, 2013, 06:59:08 PM
Same as the old one I would guess.

All the cobblers about cost are red herrings. They do not want to be watched, end of story.

This one might be a bit smilier on account of his recent 27k pick up though.

Name sounds a bit French for my liking .....
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 19, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
I have an essay to deliver about this but I've also had man-flu which has delayed its delivery.

Recording and making council meetings available to the public should not cost the taxpayer a single penny.

Webcasting, tweeting and using ipads and iphones to broadcast meetings are very bad ideas, as is any 'paid for' solution which gives councillors, offficers or Capita contractors any degree of editorial control.

I'm glad that the report stresses the point that a request to film has never been refused because the presumption should always be to encourage the public to attend and record meetings.

More than happy to consult and discuss various options with any cllr wishing to listen without predetermination or prejudice, afterall, I have track record of, (philanthropically speaking), putting my money and meagre skills where my mouth is.

BTW, I liked that report, in it's own way it's a work of art.  From my perspective 75% of it is irrelevant, 20% interesting but irrelevant and 5% useful.

If only 10 people in Swindon want meetings recorded, and those 10.people are happy to do the recording and make the recordings publicly available at their own cost.....

.....why not just let them get on with it?


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Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Outoftowner on October 20, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/11545319.Wiltshire_Council_to_stream_meetings_online/ (http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/11545319.Wiltshire_Council_to_stream_meetings_online/)

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WILTSHIRE Council is to broadcast its full council meetings live online from October 21.

The move means that members of the public unable to attend meetings in person will be able to watch meetings live, or later on, helping them to participate in the political process more easily and effectively.

As live streaming and recording processes have evolved and become more widely available a number of other councils have adopted this system.

Ease of access to council meetings may also mean greater transparency and might encourage more people to get involved with their council.

Meetings that are not viewed live will be available for up to six months to view any time online.

Wiltshire Council leader Jane Scott said: "Making our meetings more accessible to people is very important to us and we are delighted to be able to announce our new webcasting broadcasts during local democracy week, as we think it is an important new channel to help us reach people in a new way."

As part of Local Democracy Week the council is also engaging future voters by putting together a resource pack to help children understand how their local councillors make financial decisions.

Children will learn, through discussion and role play, how best to use scarce financial resources as they debate the merits of the different projects and vote to decide which should be funded and which should not.

Teachers are also encouraged to have fun being a heckling member of the public who asks difficult questions.

Schools are being encouraged to visit the council to see democracy in action, or let the council know if they would like someone from the council to visit them. As well as this information packs have been sent to all primary schools in Wiltshire.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on October 20, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
"Schools are being encouraged to visit the council to see democracy in action, or let the council know if they would like someone from the council to visit them. As well as this information packs have been sent to all primary schools in Wiltshire"

Surely not to Swindon Council Meetings!!  Blimey they'd have to mind their P's & Q's and I don't mean the children.

Are Wiltshire council meetings any better?

There is something un-healthy about this idea, I can't quite put my figure on it yet.  I'm going out have a ride around in the  fresh air and come back to put into words what I'm trying to say.  It may have something to-doing with 'democracy in action'.   :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on October 20, 2014, 02:49:04 PM
That was a quick one outdoors, got soaked.

What I was trying to say, is: If you are going to teach someone to do or about something, you have to have a really good understanding of your subject and be able to do it yourself.

I think a few 'in class lessons' on the theory would not go amiss, before they went anywhere near a council chamber, or offices.  Start a the beginning. 

"Children will learn, through discussion and role play, how best to use scarce financial resources as they debate the merits of the different projects and vote to decide which should be funded and which should not."


So the children will only be taught to deal with scarce resources and not the other ways of adding to those resources?   Or the reasons they are so scarce?

Seems to be they will be taught via government (and maybe a council) that doesn't want 'activists', but those who will mildly accept what's happening without question.

"a resource pack to help children understand how their local councillors make financial decisions."



Will this also contain the cost to human dignity on any subject?   If they had said 'make decisions' it might be acceptable - to add in the 'financial' shows were their mind set is at.

"Teachers are also encouraged to have fun being a heckling member of the public who asks difficult questions!



No, no, I can just imagine the meeting where they had, and discussed, the idea.  Those children will never do question again.  They need a psychologist to look at this plan.

"Schools are being encouraged to visit the council to see democracy in action, or let the council know if they would like someone from the council to visit them"


Firstly it won't be democracy in action, or at least not the full story, and unless they explain the non appearance of  so many citizen voters at elections and I bet that person to visit the school will be most carefully hand picked!               Democracy starts way, way before any councillor gets to a meeting.

The only good idea there is the televising of the meetings. So long as the meetings are understandable, the showing of them could be scuppered by jargon and council speak. i.e. everyone concerned has got to want to do it and make it work.




Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on November 02, 2014, 08:08:58 PM
It is a great pity that no meetings are being recorded presently, there is some heavy stuff being discussed, like children's centres closures and Labour are as about as effective as they are nationally.  They lash out but don't actually land any punches.  A great pity as the administration does what it likes unchallenged!

Do you still have the recordings I made, but have not yet published Geoff?

They still ask me if I am recording so it must have struck some sort of chord! At a recent Council Meeting the Mayor even asked permission for me to do so, which was bizarre as I had neither asked or had the equipment!

I am considering standing again for Council next year and if I do and am elected I will champion the cause for ALL meetings to be recorded and made available to the public via the Internet.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: bobwright on November 02, 2014, 09:11:36 PM
Muggins - Julie and I have started delivering visits for schools to the council. I have also provided visits for new college and scouts/guides. We do this cross party and with the Mayor.

Richard - The scrutiny on the Oasis transfer was recorded by Points West. We have had others recording but not by yourself recently.

Not sure what you are looking for however landing punches and forcing the changing of  minds when your opposition has a voting advantage is difficult to achieve. I would have thought when a Cabinet Member confesses that one of Swindon's main assets (Oasis) has been given away as part of a leisure transfer that is significant. The admission that you are prepared to carry on with the transfer in spite of the partner creating and disposing of a £800,000 debt for £1 would under normal circumstances have led to a break in the relationship. Instead we have witnessed a lack of contrition even though local businesses have been seriously affected by the administration chosen partners non-payments. It just shows that exposure alone is not enough when you lack sound judgement and you have a complicit majority willing to back your error strewn behaviour.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on November 03, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Richard - The scrutiny on the Oasis transfer was recorded by Points West. We have had others recording but not by yourself recently.

Not sure what you are looking for however landing punches and forcing the changing of  minds when your opposition has a voting advantage is difficult to achieve. I would have thought when a Cabinet Member confesses that one of Swindon's main assets (Oasis) has been given away as part of a leisure transfer that is significant. The admission that you are prepared to carry on with the transfer in spite of the partner creating and disposing of a £800,000 debt for £1 would under normal circumstances have led to a break in the relationship. Instead we have witnessed a lack of contrition even though local businesses have been seriously affected by the administration chosen partners non-payments. It just shows that exposure alone is not enough when you lack sound judgement and you have a complicit majority willing to back your error strewn behaviour.

How do we access the Points West Recording Bob, no use if we can't!

As regards the Oasis Very Few people in Swindon actually know about it especially in Shaw.  It is up to everyone to tell them and I cannot achieve that on my own however hard I try.

You are Chairman of the Scrutiny Committee or should that be changed To the Ratification Committee?

You heard Jim Grant with your own ears going on about Garry's £15m Car Park built with Borrowed Money, but he didn't actually ask why The Administration can find Money for Car Parks and Not for Children's Centres?  Why not?  This is the reason why Labour will not take power in the foreseeable future, isn't it?  Added to which he departed immediately afterwards and left we unpaid members of the public to sit out the rest of the meeting.

The Scrutiny Committee for all it eloquent words just ratifies the Administration's decisions because it is dominated in numbers by the ruling group, what a waste of time and effort and Council Tax Payers Money!!
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on November 03, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
Richard Quote: "The Scrutiny Committee for all it eloquent words just ratifies the Administration's decisions because it is dominated in numbers by the ruling group, what a waste of time and effort and Council Tax Payers Money!!"

Unfortunately Richard it's the blessed Council Tax Payers that vote or fail to vote that elect in or enable the election of the Administration.

Rightly or wrongly so long as all have their say, present democracy has been served - common sense hasn't but democracy has. 

I would ask are the opposition taking advantage of the opportunity to have their say?







Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on November 03, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
I would ask are the opposition taking advantage of the opportunity to have their say?

By and large the answer must be no, unfortunately!

It is a tragedy that Labour are so ineffective and disorganised
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Muggins on November 03, 2014, 06:32:25 PM
I take it that by the 'opportunity' they are speaking up, but lack eloquence and wit to make the arrow meet it's mark?

I also take it that the administration take the opportunity to have good laugh up their sleeves  at them? Knowing they are already powerless anyway?
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Tobes on November 03, 2014, 11:14:09 PM
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I am considering standing again for Council next year and if I do and am elected I will champion the cause for ALL meetings to be recorded and made available to the public via the Internet.

I hope you do stand again Richard. 200+ votes from a standing start last time as an independent was a much better result than you gave yourself credit for. I promise you, if you stand you really will focus the minds of your opponents, as even if you don't win, you could certainly 'lose' the wards for the second placed runner - and that's actually a good thing for local politics, as you'll be campaigning on the issues, not relying on the colour of your rosette.

That said, I'm sure you'll have learned a lot from you last experience, and I'd fully expect you to do better this time round. Keep fighting.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Phil Chitty on November 04, 2014, 04:58:38 PM
Indeed, stand you must Richard. This time it'll be against the disgraced former Mayor, should be a pretty easy target.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: bobwright on November 05, 2014, 09:06:38 PM
Richard - I wish you were recording again because your memory is not the same as mine. Labour councillors have consistently shown unfairness or likely consequences of the administrations decisions.

The power of scrutiny is to refer back decisions to cabinet/full council or to another scrutiny committee. For this to be achieved enough members need to vote to do so. The committee reflects the political division on the council. It is very rare for councillors to refer matters back if the process has been correctly followed.

Things being wrong or mistakes being made are outed by Labour Councillors but the Administration still continue to justify their actions.

Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on November 21, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
Indeed, stand you must Richard. This time it'll be against the disgraced former Mayor, should be a pretty easy target.

Phil and Tobes you will be pleased to hear that I am standing again next May, as an Independent, and it is purely down to Nick Martin and his threatening me whilst refusing to tell me what I was alleged to have done!!  Well done Nick another own goal because until that time I was undecided as whether to stand or not.

I promise you that I will give him a run for his money and expect to be rewarded by all these people who remember me from last May
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on November 21, 2014, 03:03:28 PM
Labour councillors have consistently shown unfairness or likely consequences of the administrations decisions.

Indeed they have Bob, it is just the effectiveness in the way that it is done that I have issue.

The power of scrutiny is to refer back decisions to cabinet/full council or to another scrutiny committee. For this to be achieved enough members need to vote to do so. The committee reflects the political division on the council. It is very rare for councillors to refer matters back if the process has been correctly followed.

You are doing a good job as Scrutiny Chairman and you are respected by your Committee which is good, BUT you are a Ratification Committee which was evidenced last Monday night when it was noticed that the Conservatives, who hold a majority and the reason why I call you a Ratification Committee, had a substitute for an absent member, but Labour only had one when there were two absentees, notably John Ballman and Cindy Matthews who were also absent from the previous meeting as well.  If Labour don't field a full team why should anyone take any notice of you?

Things being wrong or mistakes being made are outed by Labour Councillors but the Administration still continue to justify their actions.

Things may be being outed at Scrutiny but how many of the electorate know of your actions in doing so or follow the subtlety of the arguments?

On a very positive note I am very pleased to see how you teased the Conservative members into asking deep questions of their own administration, now that is a result!

Now as regards filming I would love to see it continued but without the equipment, both camera and editing, or the money to buy them I am not able to do it any more, but more importantly what are you politicians doing about RECORDING MEETINGS?  After all you have more than illustrated the desirability of doing so!
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Donian on December 18, 2014, 02:04:59 PM
It is a great pity that no meetings are being recorded presently, there is some heavy stuff being discussed, like children's centres closures

I watched the children's centres Cabinet meeting on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamBbOl2oO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamBbOl2oO8)
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on December 19, 2014, 01:09:48 AM
I watched the children's centres Cabinet meeting on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamBbOl2oO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamBbOl2oO8)

Thanks Donian, I was present but I cannot remember who filmed this with their phone!

It was a very interesting evening and needs to be shared across Swindon.

The expression Caring Conservatism comes to mined, and I hope it is used in the forthcoming elections.
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Terry Reynolds on December 19, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
On the subject of the care centres, did other readers notice the small entry in the adver, to announce that the council in its wisdom, had given the 'Forward Swindon', a grant of £455,000, and yet they cant afford to keep care centres open, if they do pay the salary of this firm, what can this money be for?, do they work on bribes etc..... :WTF:

Has the opposition, looked at this matter and then asked why??
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Phil Chitty on December 19, 2014, 03:14:27 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1394294/punch-up-at-parish-council-captured-on-video (http://news.sky.com/story/1394294/punch-up-at-parish-council-captured-on-video)

Perhaps SBC meetings need a touch of livening up?
Title: Re: The Recording of Meetings to be discussed at Cabinet March 20th
Post by: Richard Symonds on December 19, 2014, 11:41:04 PM
[url]http://news.sky.com/story/1394294/punch-up-at-parish-council-captured-on-video[/url] ([url]http://news.sky.com/story/1394294/punch-up-at-parish-council-captured-on-video[/url])

Perhaps SBC meetings need a touch of livening up?


and it was about Allotments Terry!!