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Politics: Swindon & Westminster => Coalition Budget Cuts - And What They Mean For Swindon => Topic started by: Geoff Reid on March 09, 2011, 04:33:56 PM

Title: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 09, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
This statement was handed to me by a very upset Unison member this afternoon.

Readers may wish to read this Adver article: Disgusted at service cuts (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/local/8879352.Disgusted_at_service_cuts/) which helps toplce this statement in context.

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Statement From Ann-Marie Black UNISON Steward I Home
Care Worker.

UNISON wishes to respond to the article printed on Monday 28th February 2011 in the Evening Advertiser.

Councillor Mallinson talks about giving members of the public the facts , however we believe the members of the public are entitled to the truth.

A council management consultation took place in November 2009. The aim was to restructure the home care department to enable the Council to run the service more efficiently and cost effectively.

The model the council choose to follow was "The Banbury ReEnablement Service" (working with people over a short period of time after falls/strokes etc to get the service users to do as much for themselves so they didn't become dependant on long - term care). 

To date no re- enablement work has been given to the department.  Instead the work was tendered out into the "New Social Enterprise".

Re-enablement posts were advertised to home care workers in June/July 2010 for 22 hours per week. However the council advertised the posts at an incorrect grade and hours; which was a barrier for predominately 30-37 hour workers to apply , as they could not afford a massive cut in pay and hours.  Despite this, 9 care staff did apply for the posts, as they feared the in-house contract would end on 31st March 2011. Staff were then given 3D-hour posts on appointment instead of the advertised 22 hours, again grossly unfair treatment.

This meant the service was reduced by 9 staff and another 4 post holders who where retired on the grounds of age. None of these staff were replaced , yet the contracted hours were not reduced to reflect this.

Instead of Councillor Mallinson trying to persuade the electorate into believing that the workforce was not pulling its weight, we suggest as a Councillor he should be tackling the anagement
that allowed this situation to happen which has been a complete waste of tax payers money, for which Councillor Mallinson is ultimately responsible for.

Councillor Mallinson states that no workers should fear for their jobs, however some staff have been offered part-time posts that again will equate to a huge drop in income, or multiple 9 hour posts that back to back and do not give the required rest time and do not meet the working time directive. This is a double whammy in reducing costs as it will leave some members in poverty which the state will have to pick up, so not much efficiency in the long term, just more people on the dole or claiming benefits to supplement their income.

The care workers are not responsible for this so called "poor productivity" but the Council is responsible for wasting taxpayer's money and making poor decisions. From 1st January - 2nd February, the commissioners have only requested six referrals to the team . So how can we deliver a service of 1800 hours per week, if we are not given the work?

Councillor Mallinson states the service costs £45 per hour, when in fact the true cost is £37 per hour. He goes on to say that the private sector will deliver the same quality service at £15 per hour.  If he took the time to read the Starfish report, it clearly states no homecare service can be delivered with quality or meet standards for less than £25 per hour and the reasons the private sector providers will deliver for the cost of £15 per hour include:

• The frontline carer's will have their wages cut and mileage allowance reduced.

• They do not allow for travel time between service users; which can equate to 3hours and more per day , resulting in the time taken from the service user.

• No pension costs (although it should be noted that the average local government homecare worker will only get an annual pension of £3,000 - £4,000 per annum - hardly gold plated).

• They do not invest in their staff (the turnover of staff in the private sector is huge as workers can't stick the terms and conditions)

• Very few private sector providers offer sick pay (this leads to staff working whilst sick and infecting sick and vulnerable service users even further).
 
• When jobs are cancelled due to service users going into hospital for example, the care worker does not get paid.  Again, I will state this is not the fault of the care workers themselves this is due to the terms and conditions that they have to work under from the private sector companies to enable them to make a profit.

As UNISON presented in a supplementary question to full council on 17th February 2011:


"Please could you tell us why the Council will not work with the Trade Union and our members to provide a more efficient and
cost effective service; which will not impact on quality or vulnerable people and will not result in the out sourcing of the In house
home care service.

We are loyal dedicated staff who care for and care about the people who use our services. We are frontline workers who
deliver this vital service and are very surprised that we have never been asked for ideas. We have many of them but have never
been listened to before".

And, Councillor Mallinson what we do in our own time is tell the public what the Council do not want them to know.



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The cabinet of Swindon Borough Council is meeting tonight and I'll be interested to see whether the leader of Labour group, Cllr Derique Montaut, and Cllr Andy Harrison, (Penhills only Liberal Democrat Cllr), will give Councillor Mallinson the grilling he richly deserves.

I expect to be disappointed though, all three are firm friends and at least two of them have funny handshakes.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 09, 2011, 05:03:01 PM
Swindon Council has a smoke screen shrouding this Cllr Mallinson objective. He is facing criticism on all sides in this matter and from Cllrs in the Conservatives:  http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/)

10,000 signatures is a lot of signatures.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 09, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
Hang on a minute:

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Among the “inefficiencies” he has found in the department is 365 hours in wages paid to staff for attending trade union meetings in six months last year

WTF are we doing paying for 45.6 working days of staff attending :censored: union meetings in just six months?? That's one and a half months out of six spent with their comrades doing :censored: all apart from trying to work out how they can do even less.

At an hourly rate of £45ph, that means the taxpayer spent £16,425 in six months to send these people to union camp.

Seriously, how is that even possible?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 09, 2011, 05:15:04 PM

It's probably made possible by Cllr Mallinson borrowing cllr Bluh's Clownculator to tot his figures up.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 09, 2011, 05:19:25 PM
Summarised below is what one expert is saying about the handling of the change.

Referring to:

"Key emerging work streams within the programme which include shared decision making, community accountability and participation, multi-channel delivery services, visibility and availability of information, and the technical infrastructure to support greater access to personal information, and the efficiency and safety of  clinical practice."

It has been stated that:

With regard to the still unspecified (and with less than five weeks prior to its risky launch for hundreds of employees) and unaccountable proposed 'social enterprise' for community health and adult social care in Swindon, I suggest that the local PCT and Swindon Borough Council have signally failed the public in the "shared decision making, community accountability and participation, ... visibility and availability of information" referred to above.

For example, there has been absolutely no sanction against those involved for failure to keep their own promises as to revealing the results of their own employees' views, let alone adequately consulting the wider community. Those promises on the employee survey were set out in Council Cabinet papers in the last quarter of 2010.

Unless local people and local bodies representing local health and social care interests continue to question their high-handedness there is probably little hope at all that any future services over which the PCT has influence for now will ever be publicly accountable and involve the views of anybody at all without its own boardroom. Of course, the days of the PCT itself are numbered as part of the planned United Kingdom Government changes.

It seems to me that there will be very little point in a local Health Watch even existing (transformed from a Local Involvement Network) if this patronising and secretive mode of operation of ignoring accountability and the public will continue to be the norm. Therefore I suggest that Swindon LINK take a more robust role in future - without being hostile or mischievous - in considering the accountabilities of health and adult social care services in the Swindon area. Public services without public accountability cannot be the correct road.

This is an extract from a letter of the Chief Executive of the National Health Service in England, dated 17 February 2011 sent to chairs and chief executives and chairs of NHS organisations, and chief executives of all local authorities in England - including Swindon Primary Care Trust and Swindon Borough Council - about the ongoing changes in the NHS and social services in England:

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 09, 2011, 05:31:25 PM

It's probably made possible by Cllr Mallinson borrowing cllr Bluh's Clownculator to tot his figures up.

I suspect you're probably (have to be?) right, but this claim is something I believe should be substantiated. It's not far short of theft, if true.

If it's a lie, then it's resignation-worthy as it's equally as close to being a false accusation of theft.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 09, 2011, 05:43:42 PM

I can't make the cabinet meeting tonight,so hopefully a TS member who is attending will put that question to cllr Mallinson.

I'd like to see Monty transcending his personal friendships with cabinet members and asking some pertinent questions of them, instead of being an appeaser to them.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 09, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Having googled the report mentioned in Ann-Marie Black’s letter I can only seem to find the following.

The report which was called “The Elusive Costs Of Homecare” was originally written in 2002 by a company called Starfish Consulting for an organisation called the London ADSS Benchmarking Club.

Been unsuccessful in googling either Starfish Consulting or the London ADSS Benchmarking Club. Although I can find references to the report, the main one is an appendix summary within what looks like a Unison commissioned report for Tower Hamlets

http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/docs/staff/4356.doc (http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/docs/staff/4356.doc)

It might be pertinent to know a bit more about both Starfish Consulting and the London ADSS Benchmarking Club before commenting on the validity of the report and its findings. I hope other TS members have better luck than me as I would like to see a copy of the original report and know a little more about those who commissioned it.

Without being in anyway partisan, we all know how reports can be written in favour or against depending on the original terms of reference or the outcome being sought by those commissioning the report.

That being said, as Ann-Marie Black stated in her letter, the cost comparison of £37 against £15 is something that needs further explanation and investigation.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 09, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
Hang on a minute:

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Among the “inefficiencies” he has found in the department is 365 hours in wages paid to staff for attending trade union meetings in six months last year

WTF are we doing paying for 45.6 working days of staff attending :censored: union meetings in just six months?? That's one and a half months out of six spent with their comrades doing :censored: all apart from trying to work out how they can do even less.

At an hourly rate of £45ph, that means the taxpayer spent £16,425 in six months to send these people to union camp.

Seriously, how is that even possible?

Hang on a minute I thought the poster had worked in the public sector? Its clear that in the public sector unions have to attend equalities meetings, workshops training and monitoring and have to be involved in H & S and also attend joint union meetings and other managerial meetings. All this is directed by the management (the council) so if this applies to the union it applies to council managers. SBC has lots of meetings any you will know that if you worked in the public sector as you have claimed in other posts.

Also if its 365 hours is it only at £8.05p?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 09, 2011, 09:34:52 PM
Having googled the report mentioned in Ann-Marie Black’s letter I can only seem to find the following.

The report which was called “The Elusive Costs Of Homecare” was originally written in 2002 by a company called Starfish Consulting for an organisation called the London ADSS Benchmarking Club.

Been unsuccessful in googling either Starfish Consulting or the London ADSS Benchmarking Club. Although I can find references to the report, the main one is an appendix summary within what looks like a Unison commissioned report for Tower Hamlets

[url]http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/docs/staff/4356.doc[/url] ([url]http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/docs/staff/4356.doc[/url])

It might be pertinent to know a bit more about both Starfish Consulting and the London ADSS Benchmarking Club before commenting on the validity of the report and its findings. I hope other TS members have better luck than me as I would like to see a copy of the original report and know a little more about those who commissioned it.

Without being in anyway partisan, we all know how reports can be written in favour or against depending on the original terms of reference or the outcome being sought by those commissioning the report.

That being said, as Ann-Marie Black stated in her letter, the cost comparison of £37 against £15 is something that needs further explanation and investigation.



Bogo

As you appear to indicate in previous posts that you somehow communicate  with Andy, perhaps you can ask him for a copy of the report he saw?
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Coun Andy Harrison (Lib Dem, Penhill) said: “I’ve seen a report where the in-house service wasn’t even meeting 50 per cent efficiency.

“That’s horrendous. That’s something else we need to know and understand.”


That appears quite a statement to have made at the meeting on a report no one on TS has had sight of? or is this a typical example of Liberal floweriness?
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/)

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 09, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Hang on a minute I thought the poster had worked in the public sector?

I did, but I wasn't paid by taxpayers to sit around in union meetings.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 09, 2011, 10:01:30 PM

Let's start with the most recent & relevant-to-Swindon report to which Bogomil refers, i.e, the one Cllr Harrison has seen.

Where is it, who authored it and what, exactly, does it say?

I think 65 soon to be sacked SBC employees,(and we as their employers), have a moral right to see what councillors are saying about them in (secret?) reports.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 10, 2011, 12:07:21 AM

Let's start with the most recent & relevant-to-Swindon report to which Bogomil refers, i.e, the one Cllr Harrison has seen.

Where is it, who authored it and what, exactly, does it say?

I think 65 soon to be sacked SBC employees,(and we as their employers), have a moral right to see what councillors are saying about them in (secret?) reports.

That is a good point what is more relevant a 2002 Starchamber consultancy report or a Cllr Mallinson SBC report that comes out and proves Cllr Short
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At the meeting on Thursday night, Coun John Short (Con, Highworth) demanded to know how private carers can be so much cheaper than council ones, since both get paid roughly the same hourly wage.

“Something is not right somewhere,” he said.

“If we’re going to make decisions in this way, then we need the full extent of what’s happening, not a smokescreen.”
is wrong to call it a smoke screen shrouding this whole episode.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2011, 12:46:48 AM
Hang on a minute:

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Among the “inefficiencies” he has found in the department is 365 hours in wages paid to staff for attending trade union meetings in six months last year

WTF are we doing paying for 45.6 working days of staff attending :censored: union meetings in just six months?? That's one and a half months out of six spent with their comrades doing :censored: all apart from trying to work out how they can do even less.

At an hourly rate of £45ph, that means the taxpayer spent £16,425 in six months to send these people to union camp.

Seriously, how is that even possible?

I've recently read a very good book by Ben Goldacre, called "Bad Science", which looks at the way in which interest groups cherry pick the research projects which support their own view, whilst presenting the results without giving the readers any access to the data from which they drew their conclusions. I strongly recommend it  O0

So, 20, could you please supply a reference to the data which makes you think that we (the taxpayer) are paying our public servants for 1 and a half months in every six to participate in union meetings?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 07:05:05 AM
So, 20, could you please supply a reference to the data which makes you think that we (the taxpayer) are paying our public servants for 1 and a half months in every six to participate in union meetings?


It comes from the Adver article that both Steve Wakefield and Ringer have already linked to:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/)

I don't 'think' it's what happening, it's what we have been told is happening. I can't quite believe we'd be paying carers to sit around in union camp for 365 hours out of a six month period, which would means it's little wonder that those who need care aren't receiving it.

Hence my belief that the data should be challenged and verified.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Muggins on March 10, 2011, 09:22:26 AM
20 "I can't quite believe we'd be paying carers to sit around in union camp for 365 hours out of a six month period"

Back to basic's here, one person might have a very sore backside, because if it's the 365 hours refers to one person that is 2 hours a day, every day for 6 months?
It might refer to one person attending day conferences or seminars, that would be 60 in 6 months?
Travel time could be added to that. Or the figure might just be wrong.
Someone posted that this might be Union meetings or it might mean meetings at which the person/s where there as union reps. 
I always find that although I am at places representing one group I pick up info/learn things that is useful to many other groups and individuals.
so before jumping at the figure I would want a break down of what exactly that was about.   

I do know that being a union rep is not a fun thing, it's not just about turning up at meetings and shouting, it involves a lot of research etc.  The two I have known well (never been in a union myself) have been worn to a frazzle by it. Actually I knew three, just remmbered that for a number of years Mr Muggins was shop steward in a very small  firm - it didn't do him any good either. But he did bring them out when blue asbestos dust was falling from the ceiling. 
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 09:29:22 AM
so before jumping at the figure I would want a break down of what exactly that was about.   

That's why I would like to see the figures substantiated and broken down.

On your first point, no, I don't imagine it relates to one individual (I certainly hope not, anyway).

365 hours in six months where care givers are paid to do things other than provide care seems worrying, to me. If you're sitting there in your own piss and shit wondering why nobody has come to clean it up, I'm sure that being told they were in 'diversity meetings' doesn't exactly seem a worthwhile excuse.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 10, 2011, 10:16:07 AM
Bogo

As you appear to indicate in previous posts that you somehow communicate  with Andy, perhaps you can ask him for a copy of the report he saw?

That appears quite a statement to have made at the meeting on a report no one on TS has had sight of? or is this a typical example of Liberal floweriness?
[url]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/[/url] ([url]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/[/url])



I’m often being accused of posting for him, which I don’t, so will say no more and let other TS’er contact him themselves. If the Lib Dems have a copy then surely other councillors will also have seen it, so it’s hardly a case of Liberal Floweriness, what about asking those councillors who post on TS from the Labour camp.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 10, 2011, 10:50:46 AM
I witnessed the handing over of a petition of 9000 signatures at the council last night, that petition has been collected in a little over 3 weeks I believe. The petition contained signatures from all areas of Swindon. If the time had been longer I think that number could have been doubled, such is the support for homecare staff.

What I do not like about this scrutiny of the Homecare Team is they are all frontline staff who are professional and care about what they do. Last night in Cabinet I heard Rod Bluh make point scoring remarks at the Labour group leader followed by Cllr David Renard, Cllr Peter Mallinson and Cllr Mark Edwards about how bad social services were under the last Labour administration. I understand the value of a history lesson however Cllr Montaut was questioning them about their £2.2 million pound overspend in social care services. Monty was told that the services were now rated at excellent.

Yes that is correct rated excellent by nothing less than the Care Quality Commission, what Cllrs Bluh, Mallinson, Renard and Edwards ommitted to mention was that it was the Homecare service that was rated as excellent. Here we have the contradiction that I pointed out in a Council meeting last year. Cllr Mallinson claims that social care services are too expensive, over provided and over staffed, and give too much service and yet Cllr Bluh, Edwards, and especially Renard and Edwards  claim that it is excellent. That excellent includes the homecare service that they are busy dismantling. Which version of the versions supported by the facts presented is the correct one? As I said then in that Council meeting to the leader of the council; can you tell me?  :-\  http://62.73.173.233/CSCI/DCA/73/ES0000047573.V2000041705.R01.S.pdf (http://62.73.173.233/CSCI/DCA/73/ES0000047573.V2000041705.R01.S.pdf)

My full blog post http://tinyurl.com/6dlx77m (http://tinyurl.com/6dlx77m) and here is the the carers blog http://www.carers4swindon.co.uk/index.html (http://www.carers4swindon.co.uk/index.html)
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 10, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
There's a quick and easy saving of £85m right there.

WTF are taxpayers subsidising unions and their members?

It's all part of their 'uman rights', init.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Muggins on March 10, 2011, 10:54:53 AM
Supposing that their members are taxpayers and the union reps represent them?

The union's 'business' is the workers interests.  No workers - no tax.
No work = more benefits. Maybe that amount is a good investment.

Well said Steve.  You don't get a first class service excelleent rated at it by cutting it and saying how crap it is.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Dougal on March 10, 2011, 02:28:13 PM
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Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 10, 2011, 02:35:04 PM
Won't Councillor Mallinson incur Redundancy payments by getting rid of these people and if so how much will that be?

What worries me that too much of this is being done in haste without consideration for the consequences.

I heard people at Council ask what safeguards have been put in place?  To date I have not heard an answer.

The Devil is in the Detail and no one seems to know the detail least of all Councillor Mallinson, but that does not surprise me?

and finally remember the old Sales Adage.

There is always someone who will do something a little cheaper a lot worse and those fools who do not investigate matters properly are their lawful prey

Maybe as councillor Mallinson stands to be humiliated in Walcot in May he is passed caring (forgive the pun)!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 02:40:09 PM
and finally remember the old Sales Adage.

There is always someone who will do something a little cheaper a lot worse and those fools who do not investigate matters properly are their lawful prey

Fair point, but throwing taxpayers' money away needlessly isn't very clever either. Just because something's more expensive doesn't automatically make it better.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 10, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
Just because something's more expensive doesn't automatically make it better.

Actually, I'm told that when Councillors Bluh & (Edwards?) were questioned about a social services budget overspend in 2010/2011 at last nights cabinet, they made quite a lot  of noise about Swindon's care services being rated as 'excellent' by the care commission.

I haven't read the care commission reports on Swindon but, from recent personal experience and comparing Swindon to Telford/Shropshire on a like-for-like basis I am of the opinion that if Telford is 'good', then Swindon really is, (or I should probably now say 'was'), excellent.

Bizarre isn't it.  This council actually got something right - social care - and it did quite a lot of chest-beating about it.  Until the time came for them to start disparaging the same people for doing the same job because it suits a particular political ideology.

NB.  @ Bogomil & Andy Harrison:  Thanks for your offer to discuss the report you've had sight of.  Although it's always interesting to chat I'd prefer that you just published the damn thing so the wider public have a broader spectrum of information to consider.   :)

 
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Actually, I'm told that when Councillors Bluh & (Edwards?) were questioned about a social services budget overspend in 2010/2011 at last nights cabinet, they made quite a lot  of noise about Swindon's care services being rated as 'excellent' by the care commission.

Fair point. I suppose if you throw enough money at something you would expect it to perform reasonably. I still dispute the idea that something that's expensive is automatically better, especially when it comes to staff wages.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 10, 2011, 05:42:31 PM
 Oh, I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you, but I'd like to see the report Andy Harrison has/has seen before taking a specific view on the service given by 60+ employees about to be sacked.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Martin Wicks on March 10, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Time off for trade union duties, whatever next? Now the thing about Mallinson's reference to this time as "inefficiencies" is this. Does this tosser accept the right of trades unions to have their legal right to time off for trade union duties or does he think the Council should break the law?

The attractive thing for Mallinson and co is that with private companies they don't have to spend time discussing workplaces issues with trades union do they.

The workforce, of course, can only do what work they are given. Mallinson says they are "too expensive". At £8 an hour? He is the bloke who is supposed to be in charge of this area of the Council. As Mavis Childs said, isn't there a problem with the management here? And Mallinson is supposed to be responsible for the management of the service.

One thing is clear. You cannot have a decent service for £15 an hour.

One other thing - this question of travel time in between visits to clients. I am still awaiting a written response to a question at the Council meeting over this. It appears that private companies do not give their staff travel time between patients. In the Panorama programme in 2009 the absence of this travel time was very common. Mallinson could not tell me at the Council meeting if these private companies gave their staff travel time. If they don't, as seems to be the case, then they are robbing the Council of money because they are not giving their clients the time they are supposed to spend with them.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
Does this tosser accept the right of trades unions to have their legal right to time off for trade union duties or does he think the Council should break the law?

'Time off' is one thing, and something that's reasonable (assuming they're actually around to do their job now and again).

However, the idea that the taxpayer is paying for 1.5 months worth of 'time off' at a rate of £45p/h out of a 6 month period is, surely, wholly unacceptable.

If people want to be in unions, and unions are allowed to charge them for that decision, then the unions should be funding union members who are on union business. How on earth might that be considered unfair in any way?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 10, 2011, 07:42:44 PM
I now have the report referred to by Andy Harrison, and a couple of other documents to go with it. At first glance they don't appear to provide a cost break-down of Cllr Mallinsons £45 an hour figure, in fact they contradict it.

Will publish them when I get home.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 10, 2011, 07:49:35 PM
Time off for trade union duties, whatever next? Now the thing about Mallinson's reference to this time as "inefficiencies" is this. Does this tosser accept the right of trades unions to have their legal right to time off for trade union duties or does he think the Council should break the law?


Now that’s not quite true Martin is it ….  :wink:
No wonder trade unionists get the reputation of twisting the truth.  ;D

A trade union official is entitled to “REASONABLE TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY”

What is reasonable is up to the employer and Union to negotiate BUT there is NO automatic right in LAW… so if one of your GMB or Unison Officials were refused for a valid reason then the council would NOT be breaking the law.

Maybe you need to read up a bit more Martin  :wink:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/TradeUnions/Tradeunionsintheworkplace/DG_10027556 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/TradeUnions/Tradeunionsintheworkplace/DG_10027556)
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Chav on March 10, 2011, 08:33:39 PM
Are you a Union man then bogy?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: moley on March 10, 2011, 08:44:03 PM
my understanding was that  there are laws of consultation which apply to any large employer making people redundant...

As part of the consultation someone who is at risk can typically invite a colleague to attend the meetings with them (similarly for disciplinary scenarios).  At my employer this is viewed as "part of the job" (we aren't unionized) if you're asked to be someone's support at a meeting.

I wonder if this is counted as "union time" or normal time for union reps... because if I were in a union I'd probably invite my shop steward to be my buddy if I was in a consultation (and that's surely relevant at SBC at the moment).

?

Moley
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
So, 20, could you please supply a reference to the data which makes you think that we (the taxpayer) are paying our public servants for 1 and a half months in every six to participate in union meetings?


It comes from the Adver article that both Steve Wakefield and Ringer have already linked to:

[url]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/[/url] ([url]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8894678.Council_criticised_over_home_care_cuts/[/url])

I don't 'think' it's what happening, it's what we have been told is happening. I can't quite believe we'd be paying carers to sit around in union camp for 365 hours out of a six month period, which would means it's little wonder that those who need care aren't receiving it.

Hence my belief that the data should be challenged and verified.


Quote from: Adver
Among the “inefficiencies” he has found in the department is 365 hours in wages paid to staff for attending trade union meetings in six months last year.


Are we all agreed that those 365 hours are a total value across all employees for the 6 month period, rather than 365 hours per employee during those 6 months?

None of us knows whether all those hours were spent by one person, or whether it was a total of all person hours spent in union activities, and what they were actually doing, because the Adver doesn't tell us. The available data is insufficient to reach a conclusion.

Quote from: Adver
In total, there are 9,000 hours of care which need to be delivered across the whole town each week, split among private carers and public.


Assuming that this is true, and that 6 months consists of 26 weeks (give or take a day or so), that means that a total of 234 thousand hours is should be spent providing care over a six month period.

365 hours out of 234 thousand isn't really all that much in the long run. It's just over 0.15%. I spend more time each week than that just filling in my timesheet.

So why do you say...

I can't quite believe we'd be paying carers to sit around in union camp for 365 hours out of a six month period,


... which kind of implies that all employees have spent 365 hours each in union activities in 6 months.

I invite you to clarify your statement  :)
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 10, 2011, 09:39:59 PM
Are we all agreed that those 365 hours are a total value across all employees for the 6 month period, rather than 365 hours per employee during those 6 months?

Happy to clarify, it's very simple:

According to the figures we've been led to believe are the case, 365 hours - or around 1.5 working months (based on a working day of 8 hours - yes, I doubt they do that much either) - during a 6 months period were spent not providing care but, instead, on undefined union 'business'.

However you slice it, people who needed 365 hour's worth of care did not receive it, even though the taxpayer was still paying for it.

It's incredible, if ANY other reason were given as to why carers were being paid £16, 425 NOT to provide care, people would be up in arms.

I have no idea why people are forced to pay union members to do union business. If these people are so keen on their unions, they should be footing the bill themselves. I fail to see why taxpayers are funding this charade. No wonder there's quite so many union hours to attend... if this kind of thing is replicated throughout the civil service (as I'm sure it is), we're spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pounds on people not to do their jobs.

That might have flown during the 'boom' times of the last government, it doesn't quite wash now.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 10, 2011, 10:34:09 PM
Spent 50% of the day today with key professionals checking they had been meeting the standards expected of them to care for staff

Spent nearly 3 hours at a meeting last night with key professionals and the Administration checking that public money is being used wisely and effectively

I probably stopped these people from doing what they really wanted to do however sometimes a few hours spent with key individuals can make a big difference both in cost and outcome

Ironically if I didn’t do these things I would be accused of not doing my job?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 11, 2011, 10:04:42 AM
Bob, it's an intrinsic part of everyone's job to go through appraisals, training and cost-effectiveness assessment. They are aspects of the job that apply to everyone.

That's very, very different to attending diversity awareness meetings put on by the union, or attending union meetings to discuss union business. And, let's not forget, not all staff members will have chosen to join the union - as it's not essential to them performing their roles properly.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 11, 2011, 10:35:33 AM
I know this thread appears to now be discussing issues around unions so I gave this some thought before posting not a lot but some.

Bob, it's an intrinsic part of everyone's job to go through appraisals, training and cost-effectiveness assessment. They are aspects of the job that apply to everyone.

That's very, very different to attending diversity awareness meetings put on by the union, or attending union meetings to discuss union business. And, let's not forget, not all staff members will have chosen to join the union - as it's not essential to them performing their roles properly.


Organised labour and employee relations are always welcomed by good employers the first factory acts were 1835 and there are many studies carried out of workplace behaviour. Joining an organised labour body/organisation/works council is a choice and a good employer accepts their part of the barggain and duty of care.

If a road death costs 1.6 million http://www.brake.org.uk/government-must-act-to-tackle-preventable-road-deaths-and-injuries-which-cost-uk-economy-p33-billion-last-year (http://www.brake.org.uk/government-must-act-to-tackle-preventable-road-deaths-and-injuries-which-cost-uk-economy-p33-billion-last-year) or 33 billion a year how much does employee deaths and injuries and poor or inapropriate working practice cost? What are the hidden costs? Searching family records I found the cost out in personal injury and deaths of the coal mining industry, railway industry, canal industry seafaring all cost my family at that time dear. The deaths are tragic in themselves, all this is recorded due to legislation passed in the 1830-50s did we learn from it? I hope we did. I have had colleagues seriously injured and killed/died of other means in the work place that is why as an employee and employer I have always worked with workers reps and employers and a lot of that was in my own time, and I have never begrudged it.

I was only saying to my son last night that as a child I grew up in the industrial northwest and I used to see old men dressed up in ill fitting suits bent over almost double coughing up and finding it difficult to breathe, with blue marks, buttons down the back and scars on them gained from a life of hard graft. Missing fingers  like my own grandfather, and some of them (far too many) had lost their sight or had it badly damaged in one or both eyes, or had hearing loss. They would say to me in this age of the white heat of technology the world will get better, be richer, be healthier be better educated, with better pensions. You will never have to endure what we did; work all our lives, pay out for everything and get nothing  back in return. That looks like that is about to return as people will work longer, pay more and get very little for it!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 11, 2011, 10:55:01 AM
Steve, I fully support everyone's right to join a union. I fully respect their choice if they decide to be a member. I fully support the right of unions to exist.

What I do not agree with is being forced to pay, as a non-union member, my money to help fund union members on union business.

It's clearly highly unfair and should be stopped. Especially in these days of austerity, we should not be funding union members to do things other than the jobs we're paying them to do. And certainly not at the rate it appears to be happening here.

I sincerely doubt the public at large realise how much of their money is being spent simply to fund union reps etc.

Maybe if the unions stopped handing out such massive amounts of their members' cash to keep the Labour party afloat, they'd have enough money not to have the taxpayer fund their activities?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Muggins on March 11, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
20 "it's an intrinsic part of everyone's job to go through appraisals, training and cost-effectiveness assessment. They are aspects of the job that apply to everyone"

See, I think that 'diversity awareness is' an essential part of of anyone's training. 

If we don't do it, we (Vol Sector) don't get an understanding or funding.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 11, 2011, 01:26:37 PM
I have received information from a very reliable source that shows the publicly released information is incomplete and if true shows a very different picture.

In the private market place if a management team had sat on top of a £45 an hour cost for ‘Care’ they would have been sacked and replaced with a team who knew what they were doing. The current Administration complained and complained that the Labour Government was not providing enough money to support services. Now we know why, the Administration was creating exceptional costs for the quality of service patients needed. Whilst they still brag about how good the Councils care workers are they have been quietly suffocating this quality organisation under the weight of bureaucracy. How many other areas of control are they doing this too?

Now at a time when a scalpel is required they are using an axe. A root and branch investigation is required. In essence 32 full time equivalent visiting care staff is supported by 57 posts in management and administration. Yes you are reading this right a 2 to 1 top heavy service. So what is the Tory solution, get rid of the “Front Line” workers. I don’t think there are any good lessons to be learnt about efficiency from this Tory Administration except once you have screwed it up pass the issue on to the private market place. Efficiency can be corrupted by managing demand and there is good evidence that work has not been given to the councils own care workers. I have been passed a document that shows that only 6 referrals have been commissioned between January 1st and February 2nd.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: ph1lc on March 11, 2011, 01:43:05 PM
I think you've hit the nail bang on the head Bob.

Look at the annual reports fron SBC. If you look at the growth in people earning £50K+ since the Tories took over the council, you'll prove your point.

If we were to return the management costs of the Council to 2004 levels then we wouldn't be having any cuts.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 02:00:29 PM
I have received information from a very reliable source that shows the publicly released information is incomplete and if true shows a very different picture.

In the private market place if a management team had sat on top of a £45 an hour cost for ‘Care’ they would have been sacked and replaced with a team who knew what they were doing. The current Administration complained and complained that the Labour Government was not providing enough money to support services. Now we know why, the Administration was creating exceptional costs for the quality of service patients needed. Whilst they still brag about how good the Councils care workers are they have been quietly suffocating this quality organisation under the weight of bureaucracy. How many other areas of control are they doing this too?

Now at a time when a scalpel is required they are using an axe. A root and branch investigation is required. In essence 32 full time equivalent visiting care staff is supported by 57 posts in management and administration. Yes you are reading this right a 2 to 1 top heavy service. So what is the Tory solution, get rid of the “Front Line” workers. I don’t think there are any good lessons to be learnt about efficiency from this Tory Administration except once you have screwed it up pass the issue on to the private market place. Efficiency can be corrupted by managing demand and there is good evidence that work has not been given to the councils own care workers. I have been passed a document that shows that only 6 referrals have been commissioned between January 1st and February 2nd.


Give me 10 minutes....  :wink:

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
*** Bear with me for the next 10 minutes, content may need to be adjusted


More documents may need to be added at post #1 - if this happens regular updates will appear throughout the topic.




Review of in-house Homecare Team Business Support Arrangements Final Report

Author: Tanya Hatcher-Jukes, Business Change Officer, HR&Change

Date: 2Sth June 2010


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A spreadsheet page prepared from Data recorded in September 2010

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Leader of the Council Briefing Note: In house domiciliary care

Date Issued: 12th February 2011

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Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Stretch Armstrong on March 11, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
I know this thread appears to now be discussing issues around unions so I gave this some thought before posting not a lot but some.

Bob, it's an intrinsic part of everyone's job to go through appraisals, training and cost-effectiveness assessment. They are aspects of the job that apply to everyone.

That's very, very different to attending diversity awareness meetings put on by the union, or attending union meetings to discuss union business. And, let's not forget, not all staff members will have chosen to join the union - as it's not essential to them performing their roles properly.


Organised labour and employee relations are always welcomed by good employers the first factory acts were 1835 and there are many studies carried out of workplace behaviour. Joining an organised labour body/organisation/works council is a choice and a good employer accepts their part of the barggain and duty of care.

If a road death costs 1.6 million [url]http://www.brake.org.uk/government-must-act-to-tackle-preventable-road-deaths-and-injuries-which-cost-uk-economy-p33-billion-last-year[/url] ([url]http://www.brake.org.uk/government-must-act-to-tackle-preventable-road-deaths-and-injuries-which-cost-uk-economy-p33-billion-last-year[/url]) or 33 billion a year how much does employee deaths and injuries and poor or inapropriate working practice cost? What are the hidden costs? Searching family records I found the cost out in personal injury and deaths of the coal mining industry, railway industry, canal industry seafaring all cost my family at that time dear. The deaths are tragic in themselves, all this is recorded due to legislation passed in the 1830-50s did we learn from it? I hope we did. I have had colleagues seriously injured and killed/died of other means in the work place that is why as an employee and employer I have always worked with workers reps and employers and a lot of that was in my own time, and I have never begrudged it.

I was only saying to my son last night that as a child I grew up in the industrial northwest and I used to see old men dressed up in ill fitting suits bent over almost double coughing up and finding it difficult to breathe, with blue marks, buttons down the back and scars on them gained from a life of hard graft. Missing fingers  like my own grandfather, and some of them (far too many) had lost their sight or had it badly damaged in one or both eyes, or had hearing loss. They would say to me in this age of the white heat of technology the world will get better, be richer, be healthier be better educated, with better pensions. You will never have to endure what we did; work all our lives, pay out for everything and get nothing  back in return. That looks like that is about to return as people will work longer, pay more and get very little for it!


whilst I don't want to take the thread off topic, I struggle to see how your examples relate to union membership today?

Employee welfare is paramount, the lack of it is costly for all concerned.
hence there are duty of care obligations placed on organisations.

if an organisation with a high ratio of union members, with a relatively high cost overhead for allowing them to attend union meetings, becomes uncompetitive in terms of costs, then it's understandable that when costs must be cut, they will be at risk?

although I cannot see how care services can be delivered for £15 an hour..
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Stretch Armstrong on March 11, 2011, 02:40:31 PM
Now at a time when a scalpel is required they are using an axe. A root and branch investigation is required. In essence 32 full time equivalent visiting care staff is supported by 57 posts in management and administration. Yes you are reading this right a 2 to 1 top heavy service. So what is the Tory solution, get rid of the “Front Line” workers. I don’t think there are any good lessons to be learnt about efficiency from this Tory Administration except once you have screwed it up pass the issue on to the private market place. Efficiency can be corrupted by managing demand and there is good evidence that work has not been given to the councils own care workers. I have been passed a document that shows that only 6 referrals have been commissioned between January 1st and February 2nd.

sounds intriguing.
so, the tory administration are getting rid of the 32 frontline staff, and keeping the 57 mgmt staff?
surely that's a bad thing to do.
and surely the 57 staff costs would be added to the £15 an hour?

... what will the 57 heads be doing that the sub-contractor's mgmt wont be doing?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 03:01:05 PM


I'm no expert at finances, but even I can see some of the figures used appear to make little sense and do not support the claims made for them.

Shouldn't there now be a complete disclosure of the real data from 2008 to date, and a special meeting of the council called to discuss the real picture?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 03:08:05 PM


Spread sheet, Leaders Briefing note & final report done by Tanya Hatcher-Jukes, (SBC Business Change Officer) are available in this new thread: http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7219.msg54878#msg54878 (http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7219.msg54878#msg54878)
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 03:48:44 PM
This statement was handed to me by a Unison member recently.



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Statement From Ann-Marie Black UNISON Steward I Home
Care Worker.

UNISON wishes to respond to the article printed on Monday 28th February 2011 in the Evening Advertiser.

Councillor Mallinson talks about giving members of the public the facts , however we believe the members of the public are entitled to the truth.

A council management consultation took place in November 2009. The aim was to restructure the home care department to enable the Council to run the service more efficiently and cost effectively.

The model the council choose to follow was "The Banbury ReEnablement Service" (working with people over a short period of time after falls/strokes etc to get the service users to do as much for themselves so they didn't become dependant on long - term care). 

To date no re- enablement work has been given to the department.  Instead the work was tendered out into the "New Social Enterprise".

Re-enablement posts were advertised to home care workers in June/July 2010 for 22 hours per week. However the council advertised the posts at an incorrect grade and hours; which was a barrier for predominately 30-37 hour workers to apply , as they could not afford a massive cut in pay and hours.  Despite this, 9 care staff did apply for the posts, as they feared the in-house contract would end on 31st March 2011. Staff were then given 3D-hour posts on appointment instead of the advertised 22 hours, again grossly unfair treatment.

This meant the service was reduced by 9 staff and another 4 post holders who where retired on the grounds of age. None of these staff were replaced , yet the contracted hours were not reduced to reflect this.

Instead of Councillor Mallinson trying to persuade the electorate into believing that the workforce was not pulling its weight, we suggest as a Councillor he should be tackling the anagement
that allowed this situation to happen which has been a complete waste of tax payers money, for which Councillor Mallinson is ultimately responsible for.

Councillor Mallinson states that no workers should fear for their jobs, however some staff have been offered part-time posts that again will equate to a huge drop in income, or multiple 9 hour posts that back to back and do not give the required rest time and do not meet the working time directive. This is a double whammy in reducing costs as it will leave some members in poverty which the state will have to pick up, so not much efficiency in the long term, just more people on the dole or claiming benefits to supplement their income.

The care workers are not responsible for this so called "poor productivity" but the Council is responsible for wasting taxpayer's money and making poor decisions. From 1st January - 2nd February, the commissioners have only requested six referrals to the team . So how can we deliver a service of 1800 hours per week, if we are not given the work?

Councillor Mallinson states the service costs £45 per hour, when in fact the true cost is £37 per hour. He goes on to say that the private sector will deliver the same quality service at £15 per hour.  If he took the time to read the Starfish report, it clearly states no homecare service can be delivered with quality or meet standards for less than £25 per hour and the reasons the private sector providers will deliver for the cost of £15 per hour include:

• The frontline carer's will have their wages cut and mileage allowance reduced.

• They do not allow for travel time between service users; which can equate to 3hours and more per day , resulting in the time taken from the service user.

• No pension costs (although it should be noted that the average local government homecare worker will only get an annual pension of £3,000 - £4,000 per annum - hardly gold plated).

• They do not invest in their staff (the turnover of staff in the private sector is huge as workers can't stick the terms and conditions)

• Very few private sector providers offer sick pay (this leads to staff working whilst sick and infecting sick and vulnerable service users even further).
 
• When jobs are cancelled due to service users going into hospital for example, the care worker does not get paid.  Again, I will state this is not the fault of the care workers themselves this is due to the terms and conditions that they have to work under from the private sector companies to enable them to make a profit.

As UNISON presented in a supplementary question to full council on 17th February 2011:


"Please could you tell us why the Council will not work with the Trade Union and our members to provide a more efficient and
cost effective service; which will not impact on quality or vulnerable people and will not result in the out sourcing of the In house
home care service.

We are loyal dedicated staff who care for and care about the people who use our services. We are frontline workers who
deliver this vital service and are very surprised that we have never been asked for ideas. We have many of them but have never
been listened to before".

And, Councillor Mallinson what we do in our own time is tell the public what the Council do not want them to know.



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Readers may wish to read this Adver article: Disgusted at service cuts (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/local/8879352.Disgusted_at_service_cuts/) which will help to place this statement in context.



Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 11, 2011, 03:51:51 PM
Does this tosser accept the right of trades unions to have their legal right to time off for trade union duties or does he think the Council should break the law?

'Time off' is one thing, and something that's reasonable (assuming they're actually around to do their job now and again).

However, the idea that the taxpayer is paying for 1.5 months worth of 'time off' at a rate of £45p/h out of a 6 month period is, surely, wholly unacceptable.

If people want to be in unions, and unions are allowed to charge them for that decision, then the unions should be funding union members who are on union business. How on earth might that be considered unfair in any way?


According to the 'final report' dated the 25th June 2010 which was authored by Tanya Hatcher-Jukes, (SBC Business Change Officer)


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Care Assistants claim money to attend these meetings on their days off. Since January 2010 365 hours have been taken up within Union meetings or Union training. Costing approx £2922.00, this is based on basic hours and does not include if over- time was paid due to a day off.

This works out at an hourly rate of £8.00, not the £45 per hour figure Cllr Mallinson is apparently peddling about.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Martin Wicks on March 11, 2011, 06:33:08 PM
Just seen the Bogomil comment:

"Now that’s not quite true Martin is it …. 
No wonder trade unionists get the reputation of twisting the truth.  ;D

A trade union official is entitled to “REASONABLE TIME OFF WITHOUT PAY”

What is reasonable is up to the employer and Union to negotiate BUT there is NO automatic right in LAW… so if one of your GMB or Unison Officials were refused for a valid reason then the council would NOT be breaking the law.

Maybe you need to read up a bit more Martin 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/TradeUnions/Tradeunionsintheworkplace/DG_10027556 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/TradeUnions/Tradeunionsintheworkplace/DG_10027556)"

Well I would bow to your knowledge Bogomil if you were right. But on the basis of nearly 40 years experience as a rep, I think you are talking out of your arse.

If you are carrying out a role as a workplace rep (shop steward or health & safety rep, for instance) you get time off with pay to carry out your duties. That could be dealing with individual cases, representing somebody in a disciplinary meeting, negotiating with management over changes in terms and conditions, doing a health & safety inspection, attending a H&S meeting etc. You have a legal right to time off with pay.

If you attend a shop stewards course, or a health & safety reps course YOU GET TIME OFF WITH PAY. You have a legal right to such time for training (e.g. reps stage 1 TUC course, H&S TUC course, stage 1).

If you attend a union meeting which does not relate to your workplace duties (say a UNISON Regional Council meeting) then you can get time off without pay, and the union would pay you a day's wages.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: moley on March 11, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Martin,

Some of the duties you indicate I don't think are coupled with being a union rep (e.g. my employer is not unionised, but due to company size there is an elected employee consultation forum and I think people have paid time to be involved in that). Similar for H+S reps...

I think that all employers over a certain size have some statutory obligations for employee engagement (introduced by the last government) and linking this to union activities may be a red herring (as the same obligations would exist even if nobody was in a union).

Cheers

Moley
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 11, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
If you start from a framework of disconnection then you can never produce a whole cost effective operation. Each person in an organisation is connected by activity. This relationship improves  through understanding of the other and how each affects the others work. It can not improve by just being critical of the means the operation has adopted to build relationships and deliver understanding. One efficiency is to find a better way to build relationships and understanding in less operational time. I have found the best way of doing this is by having mutual respect and forming good trusting relationships. Not to involve 'Front Line Staff' in discussions on activity affecting their service would be ludicrous unless of course it is management by dictatorship.

I think the clue to the problem of high operational cost can be found in the use of 'Front Line Staff' labelling, those who deliver a direct service to the actual customer. However this focus tends exclude the vital and important role of operational support and management. With good relationships and understanding the background operation does not need to be large or over expensive. It is also amazing how sickness/absence can be improved by good management practise.

I have fought for years to break up the notion of 'us and them', it is clear there a beneficial relationship between all roles. I have equal respect for any position in an organisation, the problems stem from the nature and characteristics of those who hold the positions. Crucially with the right attitude and understanding at the senior levels of an organisation the additonal value that each individual can provide will be volunteered. Conversely if you treat staff with disrespect, label them and create an atmosphere of fear through the threat of redundancy relationships will break down and sickness will increase.

I was taught that all problems in the workplace are management problems. Through experience I have found those words to be true. To allow an organisation to slip into the current situation is a failure of management; not on a personal level for I am sure people have been working hard, it has been a failure to move away from old concepts that have produced the chronic nature that underpins the manifest results. I constantly hear the old industrial espousal of managing out problems when it needs a leadership solution that inspires the change required. I would humbly suggest the disconnection between politicians, management and front line deliverers has led to this situation. I am still struggling to understand how politicians will tell the world how proud they are of themselves for delivering acknowledged quality service delivery whilst allowing the costs to go through the roof.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 12, 2011, 12:03:21 AM
The thing about this whole business that troubles me is that we are dealing with the care of the elderly and infirm many of whom have no one to speak up for them and look out for them.

Apart from the fact that Councillor Mallinson will always have the means to look after himself and his wife in their old age, he is 76, I do not know how he is in any way qualified to make decisions on this very complex subject with onlya few months of experience?  As a politician he does not have to deal with the consequences of his actions and having done his worst he will probably be history at the May elections anyway.  He has consistently failed to give the type of detailed assurances, backed by facts, that we all seek that by moving this care to the private sector that all the basic levels of care are maintained.  Once we lose these people we will never go back to our own staff, we will just move it to another private provider a per pro Council tax etc.

The devil is in the detail and Councillor Mallinson has consistently failed to show us how he intends to maintain the quality of the service required.  This subject is far too delicate and complicated to be entrusted to someone who appears to have given the subject scant consideration and who will never have to account for his actions.  We will sadly rue the day this man was ever given this responsibility but will be an additional reason why the Tory vote is about to implode.  Someone reminded me that Councillor Mallinson had a similar effect on the Labour Party when he was one of their number.

and one final point when considering whether to vote or otherwise in May We get the Representation we deserve, Not Interested is not an option.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 12, 2011, 09:13:37 AM
It appears there was an error in the data interpretation I posted previously and the figures concern cost centres rather than actual people. Still waiting to get the data, currently the pages do not open on the soft copy. However it still appears the relationship is the same it is just not people, it concerns costs.

I worked for one organisation where the Managing Director was emloyed for one reason only, he could get rid of unecessary costs. Inevitably he did this by getting rid of buildings and stripping down assets. We all had to suffer through relocating and working with other organisations in the same areas. It was a bit of a squeeze at times however at a stroke he used to get dramitic improvements on the bottom line. Job Agencies have already done this, having little more than an office with two organising staff and a manager. They rely heavily on temporary staff who are driven to be employed or simply must have the money.
In some areas this can provide an effective solution to some work requirements however it is an impersonal method as there is no lasting connection with the work or source of work.

In Care work the work requires care, attention and sustainable relationships to provide the best benefits. If the new Social Enterprise model does not support continued relationships something of very real value and health benefit will be lost. My main concerns have been and still are that there will be an expectancy of meeting the £15 per hour Care Supply and cover. I was not convinced that enough time had been given to achieve this and something would have to give. Previous statements about giving too much of a service also concerned me as I thought care service was based on professional assessment. Probably the biggest sting in the tail is that Care supply in the home is based on traffic movements. With increasing fuel charges and the rush to get people back to their homes we end up increasing traffic movements and increased costs for fuel. This might be cheaper than using a specialist building and staff however this might change in the near future if fuel continues to rise dramatically and buildings continue to remain empty







Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Stretch Armstrong on March 12, 2011, 04:36:46 PM
interesting stuff.

so, the 57 mgmt staff are being kept, Bob?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 24, 2011, 01:55:57 PM


The Companies commissioned by SBC to operate the domiciliary Homecare Service in Swindon have been named as:

First City Ltd

Allied Healthcare ltd

Sanctuary Healthcare Ltd

Cleevelink Ltd



Click here for pdf file (http://www.talkswindon.org/politics/2010%20Budget%20Cuts/Swindon_borough_council_in_house_domiciliary_care_team/2011%2003%2024%20Union%20Issues%20Into%20privatisation%20of%20the%20Home%20Care%20service/2011%2003%2010%20Care%20Providing%20Companies%20Named.pdf)

Unison contest Swindon Borough Council's claim that all four of the new care providers have been rated as 'excellent' and reports from the Care Quality Commission, (as supplied to me) appear to support their claim.

Based on the reports I have only one of the new providers, (First City Ltd), is rated as 'excellent' and the remaining three suppliers rated as only 2 Star.  For comparison, the Care Quality Commission rated Swindon Borough Council's own Domiciliary Home care Team as 3 Star - Excellent

The Care Quality Commission also noted that a high level of 'overseas staff' were/are employed by Cleevelink and made note that 'there must be clear records on file detailing their career history and experience'.

The Care Quality Commission stopped awarding quality ratings under the Care Standards Act in July 2010 . The Commission will now only investigate when things go wrong.


Rod Bluh claimed in his regular column at Swindon Advertiser, that:

Quote from: Rod Bluh
"We even had alternative employment offers for the affected staff'


Unison describe Cllr Bluh's comment as 'wildly inaccurate' and point out that the offered posts are part-time and multiple posts. The Borough Council Scrutiny Committee had been informed that offers had been made of 25-hour posts.  Unison state that this is not the case.

I imagine that tonight's special council meeting will be quite interesting as 59 councillors are asked to consider that they may have been deliberately misled into supporting a decision to sack the domiciliary home care team whilst being denied the opportunity to consider the proposal whilst being in possession of all the necessary information.


I think the Unison report is worth reading and comparing against the recent media reports and claims made by Rod Bluh and Peter Mallinson.



Unison has commissioned the following report which it will submit at tonight's Special Meeting of Swindon Borough Council. It appears to contradict statements made by SBC and Peter Mallinson, (Cabinet member for Adult Services), on several points of concern.


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Care Quality Commission Report on Sanctuary Homecare 2 Star

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Care Quality Commission Report on First City Ltd Excellent

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Care Quality Commission Report on Swindon Borough Council Homecare Team  3 Star Excellent

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Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 24, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
The Care Quality Commission also noted that a high level of 'overseas staff' were/are employed by Cleevelink and made note that 'there must be clear records on file detailing their career history and experience'.

Interesting. Does this 'note' appear to relate to all Cleevelink employees, or just those from overseas? If it's the latter, I suspect it's illegal.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 24, 2011, 03:05:49 PM


Specifically, the note says:

Quote from: CQC
Recruitment processes have much improved since the last inspection although with the large number of overseas staff recruited there must be clear records on file detailing their career history and experience .

Staff induction, supervision and support appear to be improving.


I wonder if, since the CQC no longer routinely inspect and assess, CleeveLink might have slipped backwards from the lofty heights of 2 stars and staff induction, supervision, support are no longer improving.  The record keeping on overseas staff history and experience may well be, for all we know, virtually non existant.

Without a rigorous inspection regime we're left somewhat in the dark and, when supposedly responsible and 'in the know' Cll'rs like Bluh and Mallinson make allegedly inaccurate statements about the quality of companies they have themselves commissioned to provide the domiciliary home care service to Swindon residents, it's bound to make people wonder if they simply don't have a clue, don't care, are trying to hide something or rush this through before any cogent scrutiny has taken place.

If Bluh thinks the Borough can afford to write off a £610,000 debt to his friends at the Highworth Recreation Centre, and forget about a £400,000 unpaid loan to his friend Rikki, then I'm sure we see our way to keeping the SBC domicilliary homecare team in post until this has been looked at properly by genuine experts.

I worry that this is being forced through too quickly by a spiteful Septuagenarian who thinks he's already lost his council seat and the clown who has piloted the Borough into a £63,000,000 debt because he want's to play 'Bluh the builder' at Wichelstowe.

This feels very shoddy to me.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 24, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
Clearly there are many many more questions that need answering
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 24, 2011, 06:26:53 PM


Specifically, the note says:

Quote from: CQC
Recruitment processes have much improved since the last inspection although with the large number of overseas staff recruited there must be clear records on file detailing their career history and experience .

Staff induction, supervision and support appear to be improving.


I wonder if, since the CQC no longer routinely inspect and assess, CleeveLink might have slipped backwards from the lofty heights of 2 stars and staff induction, supervision, support are no longer improving.  The record keeping on overseas staff history and experience may well be, for all we know, virtually non existant.

Without a rigorous inspection regime we're left somewhat in the dark and, when supposedly responsible and 'in the know' Cll'rs like Bluh and Mallinson make allegedly inaccurate statements about the quality of companies they have themselves commissioned to provide the domiciliary home care service to Swindon residents, it's bound to make people wonder if they simply don't have a clue, don't care, are trying to hide something or rush this through before any cogent scrutiny has taken place.

If Bluh thinks the Borough can afford to write off a £610,000 debt to his friends at the Highworth Recreation Centre, and forget about a £400,000 unpaid loan to his friend Rikki, then I'm sure we see our way to keeping the SBC domicilliary homecare team in post until this has been looked at properly by genuine experts.

I worry that this is being forced through too quickly by a spiteful Septuagenarian who thinks he's already lost his council seat and the clown who has piloted the Borough into a £63,000,000 debt because he want's to play 'Bluh the builder' at Wichelstowe.

This feels very shoddy to me.

I have heard these figures bandied about but is there a clear source for the debt burden.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: moley on March 24, 2011, 07:44:53 PM
In this case, aren't "overseas" staff actually "non-EU" staff (since EU staff are treated in a similar way to UK staff in employment law).

In which case the reason for the record keeping to make sure the people are actually allowed to work here?  (because an employer has an obligation to check this)

Moley
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 25, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
In this case, aren't "overseas" staff actually "non-EU" staff (since EU staff are treated in a similar way to UK staff in employment law).

In which case the reason for the record keeping to make sure the people are actually allowed to work here?  (because an employer has an obligation to check this)

Moley

Yes, but what concerns me more about potentially poor record keeping regarding any staff, (wherever they come from), is that their skill set and competency to practice is checked regularly, kept up to date and appropriate training/mentoring given where needed.  Since the CQC stopped doing proper inspections we have no way of knowing whether this happens, no transparency and no accountability but, as taxpayers, we are still funding the services that SBC 'commissions' from the private sector.  I can only hope that Rod Bluh's mate Rikki doesn't decide to branch out into the care environment.

I know the SBC Domiciliary Homecare team are well trained and have good skill sets, as are First City staff.  Not so sure about the other three firms.  I'm minded that Cllr Mallinsons preference for weighting tender processes firmly towards lowest bidders may not be the most sensible way to respond to a demand lead care service.

 
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 25, 2011, 12:49:22 AM
I worry that this is being forced through too quickly by a spiteful Septuagenarian who thinks he's already lost his council seat and the clown who has piloted the Borough into a £63,000,000 debt because he want's to play 'Bluh the builder' at Wichelstowe.

I have heard these figures bandied about but is there a clear source for the debt burden.

Yes. Wichelstowe.  There is a note on the 2010/2011 SBC accounts detailing the liability.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 25, 2011, 06:48:18 AM
In this case, aren't "overseas" staff actually "non-EU" staff (since EU staff are treated in a similar way to UK staff in employment law).

In which case the reason for the record keeping to make sure the people are actually allowed to work here?  (because an employer has an obligation to check this)

Moley

Yes, but what concerns me more about potentially poor record keeping regarding any staff, (wherever they come from), is that their skill set and competency to practice is checked regularly, kept up to date and appropriate training/mentoring given where needed.  Since the CQC stopped doing proper inspections we have no way of knowing whether this happens, no transparency and no accountability but, as taxpayers, we are still funding the services that SBC 'commissions' from the private sector.  I can only hope that Rod Bluh's mate Rikki doesn't decide to branch out into the care environment.

I know the SBC Domiciliary Homecare team are well trained and have good skill sets, as are First City staff.  Not so sure about the other three firms.  I'm minded that Cllr Mallinsons preference for weighting tender processes firmly towards lowest bidders may not be the most sensible way to respond to a demand lead care service.

Is that not part of the tendering process for LA's, admittedly SBC don't seem to care when it comes to SCS.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 25, 2011, 07:12:06 AM
I worry that this is being forced through too quickly by a spiteful Septuagenarian who thinks he's already lost his council seat and the clown who has piloted the Borough into a £63,000,000 debt because he want's to play 'Bluh the builder' at Wichelstowe.


I have heard these figures bandied about but is there a clear source for the debt burden.


Yes. Wichelstowe.  There is a note on the 2010/2011 SBC accounts detailing the liability.


http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgAi.aspx?ID=20637&J=1 (http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgAi.aspx?ID=20637&J=1) If I am reading this correctly it seems to show an anticipated budget deficit of £80 mill+
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Des Moffatt on March 25, 2011, 08:22:14 AM
Correct RFM. They have moved from a net investor by £10 million to a net borrower of £53 million in just 2 years. A projected additional borrowing of £27 million over the next two years is anticipated. This is all capital and ultimately it has a revenue effect. Witchelstow accounts for £34 million of this at this time. Should the Tory government plans not deliver growth in the economy and a recovery of land prices, we are in deep do-do.
The Bluh daydreams do not appear to understand the effect of spending capital funds. They regularly dismiss £400K to WiFi, £350K for Tabernacle rubble as capital and not germane to the accounts. £3 million on computer stuff to support One Swindon gets the same casual treatment.
Swindon Tories have done exactly the same thing as the Labour government and for the same reason. Crucially the Brown Darling plan did have three elements cuts to public spending, growth in the economy and investment in infrastructure including green jobs. The Tory plan is cuts, cuts, and more cuts.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 25, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Correct RFM. They have moved from a net investor by £10 million to a net borrower of £53 million in just 2 years. A projected additional borrowing of £27 million over the next two years is anticipated. This is all capital and ultimately it has a revenue effect. Witchelstow accounts for £34 million of this at this time. Should the Tory government plans not deliver growth in the economy and a recovery of land prices, we are in deep do-do.
The Bluh daydreams do not appear to understand the effect of spending capital funds. They regularly dismiss £400K to WiFi, £350K for Tabernacle rubble as capital and not germane to the accounts. £3 million on computer stuff to support One Swindon gets the same casual treatment.
Swindon Tories have done exactly the same thing as the Labour government and for the same reason. Crucially the Brown Darling plan did have three elements cuts to public spending, growth in the economy and investment in infrastructure including green jobs. The Tory plan is cuts, cuts, and more cuts.

Is it true that when Nick Martin was in charge of the accounts the council was £10,000,000 pound in the black?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Des Moffatt on March 25, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
Martin held the line against the dreamers until they sacked him
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 25, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
Crucially the Brown Darling plan did have three elements cuts to public spending, growth in the economy and investment in infrastructure including green jobs.


Two of those were impossible myths they knew they'd never have to deliver.

As you well know, Labour planned the same level of cuts at the Tories - but since they lost the election they've conveniently denied it. Green jobs, what a farce. Where are the legions of loft insulators promised by El Gordo back in 2008?

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The government says its aim is to insulate every home in Britain by 2020

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7609036.stm[/url]


Of course, it was all drivel:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/2799757/Gordon-Browns-energy-package-unravels-over-insulation-numbers.html
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Post by: Geoff Reid on March 25, 2011, 10:16:12 AM
Green jobs, what a farce. Where are the legions of loft insulators promised by El Gordo back in 2008?

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The government says its aim is to insulate every home in Britain by 2020

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7609036.stm[/url]


Of course, it was all drivel:

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/2799757/Gordon-Browns-energy-package-unravels-over-insulation-numbers.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/2799757/Gordon-Browns-energy-package-unravels-over-insulation-numbers.html[/url])


Was it drivel?, we had our house insulated under that scheme and, seeing how energy costs have spiralled upwards, we were quite glad of it.  The scheme was demand led and therefore difficult to accurately forecast how many homes would be insulated until the owners/occupiers applied to take advantage of the offer.  Similarly, the industry recruits and trains fitters as needed, and as such the ability to supply would lag, (pun intended), behind supply.

Where they went wrong was in exaggerating the speed at which Warm Front could be delivered. This policy was not exempt from spin, but that doesn't mean that 'Warm Front', (I think it was called Warm Front), was a waste of time and money or that the intention was not worthwhile.

I hope the Conservative?Lib Dem government do something similar.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 25, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Martin held the line against the dreamers until they sacked him

I understand he was 'sacked' for implying Rod was mentally ill. I also understand that he may well be making a reappearance in the cabinet, not sure though if that is connected with my sources saying Mr Perkins will be making a play for the leadership.

And that's assuming he gets re-elected something that is far from likely given his involvement with WiFi. I am told there are many, many disgruntled voters in S&NE's.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 25, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
Was it drivel?, we had our house insulated under that scheme and, seeing how energy costs have spiralled upwards, we were quite glad of it.

Free money is free money, or, I suppose it's more of a tax-rebate, really.

That said, how many new insulators did the scheme create jobs for? My point wasn't that the scheme didn't exist, or that nobody saved any money on having their house insulated, it was about Brown going on about creating hundreds of thousands of 'green jobs'. It just didn't happen.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: bobwright on March 25, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
I pay £9.60 per month for 'Choose to refuse' advertising calls. Two types of calls always get through, the ones from Asia and the ones trying to get me to have my house insulated. The insulation calls are about twice a month and nearly always take the form of a survey or treating me as if I am ignorant about the scheme or the value of insulation. Many smack of rogue traders but when one of the pensioners in my ward sought to complete his partial insulation they didn't want to know.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: robert feal-martinez on March 25, 2011, 10:38:22 AM
Was it drivel?, we had our house insulated under that scheme and, seeing how energy costs have spiralled upwards, we were quite glad of it.

Free money is free money, or, I suppose it's more of a tax-rebate, really.

That said, how many new insulators did the scheme create jobs for? My point wasn't that the scheme didn't exist, or that nobody saved any money on having their house insulated, it was about Brown going on about creating hundreds of thousands of 'green jobs'. It just didn't happen.

I certainly agree with your last point I read at the time there would be a minimum time lag from acceptance to completion of a year for the points you raise.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 25, 2011, 10:49:30 AM
Unfortunately due to it being my sixtieth birthday I was out of town last night and therefore was unable to attend the 'special' council meeting to discuss Adult Care.  What happened?

Any change of heart?

Any clarification of exactly how these changes will ensure that the elderly still get the care they have been getting from our own carers?

Did Councillor Mallinson manage to explain how he could deliver realistic savings with the whole of the management team still in place and Care Workers replaced by Private Contractors whose staff earn the same money?

What steps does Councillor Mallinson, assuming he is still a Councillor in May, intend to adopt to ensure that the Management Team operate more efficiently than they managed with their own staff and over whom they had control?

Is Councillor Mallinson falling on his sword to assist Rod Bluh by delivering these cuts knowing he will be dumped by the people of Walcot for following policies that affect them as they cannot afford the private sector?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on March 25, 2011, 10:55:51 AM
I certainly agree with your last point I read at the time there would be a minimum time lag from acceptance to completion of a year for the points you raise.


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Environment: green jobs to rise to a million by 2017

PM highlights carbon capture demonstration plants and commitment to build 1,000 wind turbines

Among the many jobs proposed in Gordon Brown's statement today, 400,000 will have a green tinge by 2017


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/29/green-jobs-brown (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/29/green-jobs-brown)

And that was after the worst of the financial crisis.

It was all utter bollocks.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 25, 2011, 11:48:29 AM
Unfortunately due to it being my sixtieth birthday I was out of town last night and therefore was unable to attend the 'special' council meeting to discuss Adult Care.  What happened?

Any change of heart?

Any clarification of exactly how these changes will ensure that the elderly still get the care they have been getting from our own carers?

Did Councillor Mallinson manage to explain how he could deliver realistic savings with the whole of the management team still in place and Care Workers replaced by Private Contractors whose staff earn the same money?

What steps does Councillor Mallinson, assuming he is still a Councillor in May, intend to adopt to ensure that the Management Team operate more efficiently than they managed with their own staff and over whom they had control?

Is Councillor Mallinson falling on his sword to assist Rod Bluh by delivering these cuts knowing he will be dumped by the people of Walcot for following policies that affect them as they cannot afford the private sector?


The service will cease and redundancies are happening, what more is there to say  :(
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 25, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
Unfortunately due to it being my sixtieth birthday I was out of town last night and therefore was unable to attend the 'special' council meeting to discuss Adult Care.  What happened?

Any change of heart?

Any clarification of exactly how these changes will ensure that the elderly still get the care they have been getting from our own carers?

Did Councillor Mallinson manage to explain how he could deliver realistic savings with the whole of the management team still in place and Care Workers replaced by Private Contractors whose staff earn the same money?

What steps does Councillor Mallinson, assuming he is still a Councillor in May, intend to adopt to ensure that the Management Team operate more efficiently than they managed with their own staff and over whom they had control?

Is Councillor Mallinson falling on his sword to assist Rod Bluh by delivering these cuts knowing he will be dumped by the people of Walcot for following policies that affect them as they cannot afford the private sector?


The service will cease and redundancies are happening, what more is there to say  :(

Was it a waste of everyone's time then last night?

You know it makes sense Ringer!

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 25, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Anyone paying £9.60 a month to resfuse calls then still pays the £9.60, even calls get through from Asia and Insulating Firms sounds so :2funny: I pay nothing for my own refusal service,  I firmly say No Thank You!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 25, 2011, 12:15:34 PM
Was it a waste of everyone's time then last night?
You know it makes sense Ringer!

?? sorry Richard not with you, are you saying it was a waste of time last night or that the decision made sense or was it irony, please eleucidate for me.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on March 26, 2011, 01:26:11 AM
At Thursdays special council a formal division, (recorded vote), was requested in accordance with Standing Order 14(2) regarding the axing of Swindon Borough Councils Domiciliary Home Care Team.

The division was recorded as follows:

Members voting for the motion:

Councillors Mike Bawden Conservative
Cllr Andrew Bennett  Conservative
Cllr Roderick Bluh  Conservative
Cllr Mick Bray  Conservative
Cllr Doreen Dart  Conservative
Cllr Michael Dickinson  Conservative
Cllr Ian Dobie  Conservative
Cllr Mark Edwards  Conservative
Cllr Paul Findlow  Conservative
Cllr Ray Fisher  Conservative
Cllr Fionuala Foley  Conservative
Cllr Brian Ford  Conservative
Cllr Peter Greenhalgh  Conservative
Cllr Dale Heenan  Conservative
Cllr Janet Heenan  Conservative
Cllr Russell Holland  Conservative
Cllr Richard Hurley  Conservative
Cllr Colin Lovell  Conservative
Cllr Peter Mallinson  Conservative
Cllr Mary Martin  Conservative
Cllr Nick Martin  Conservative
Cllr Brian Mattock  Conservative
Cllr Bill Morton  Conservative
Cllr Kevin Parry  Conservative
Cllr Anthony Peake  Conservative
Cllr Garry Perkins  Conservative
Cllr David Renard  Conservative
Cllr Eric Shaw  Conservative
Cllr Peter Stoddart  Conservative
Cllr Vera Tomlinson  Conservative
Cllr Keith Williams  Conservative
 

Members voting against the motion:

Cllr Junab Ali  Labour
Cllr John Ballman  Labour
Cllr Mark Dempsey  Labour
Cllr Jim Grant  Labour
Cllr Andy Harrison  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Jenny Millin  Labour
Cllr Des Moffatt  Labour
Cllr Derique Montaut  Labour
Cllr Stan Pajak  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Rochelle Russell  Labour
Cllr Kevin Small  Labour
Cllr Steve Wakefield  Labour
Cllr Martin Wiltshire*  Liberal Democrat
Cllr David Wood  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Bob Wright.  Labour
 

Councillors Ray Ballman (Deputy Mayor) and Rex Barnett (Mayor) abstained.


This was a significant cut which was engineered, driven through council as quickly as possible by the Conservative administration and supported solely by Conservative Councillors.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: tell me more on March 26, 2011, 01:51:13 AM
note" if any one dare challenge Mallinson, Bluh, Perkins and co, on their tory views statements etc especially if home care worker, blonde, trade union rep,  and not of this region, but further more north than Chester.  With more bottle than any one with in the council .During the lobby got even Chelsea and manchester united fans to sing "walk on " then excuse me that girl should be the next vulnerable adult councillor, ESPECIALLY AS ONE OF THE MANY 64 BEING MADE REDUNDANT if the council dont take away her redundancy as punishment for truth.I truly  believe if you have knocked on doors and got 10500 people to sign a petition and hear the truth then you go girl.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Jarvis on March 26, 2011, 07:20:04 AM
if the council dont take away her redundancy as punishment for truth.I truly  believe if you have knocked on doors and got 10500 people to sign a petition and hear the truth then you go girl.

Can they refuse to make a redundancy payment for speaking out ?

I know what I'd be doing every weekend in April, I would ask my work colleagues to help me knock on every door in Shaw & Nine Elms and Walcot to tell householders what Gary Perkins and Peter Mallinson have done. 
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 26, 2011, 09:59:48 AM
At Thursdays special council a formal division, (recorded vote), was requested in accordance with Standing Order 14(2) regarding the axing of Swindon Borough Councils Domiciliary Home Care Team.

The division was recorded as follows:

Members voting for the motion:

Councillors Mike Bawden Conservative
Cllr Andrew Bennett  Conservative
Cllr Roderick Bluh  Conservative
Cllr Mick Bray  Conservative
Cllr Doreen Dart  Conservative
Cllr Michael Dickinson  Conservative
Cllr Ian Dobie  Conservative
Cllr Mark Edwards  Conservative
Cllr Paul Findlow  Conservative
Cllr Ray Fisher  Conservative
Cllr Fionuala Foley  Conservative
Cllr Brian Ford  Conservative
Cllr Peter Greenhalgh  Conservative
Cllr Dale Heenan  Conservative
Cllr Janet Heenan  Conservative
Cllr Russell Holland  Conservative
Cllr Richard Hurley  Conservative
Cllr Colin Lovell  Conservative
Cllr Peter Mallinson  Conservative
Cllr Mary Martin  Conservative
Cllr Nick Martin  Conservative
Cllr Brian Mattock  Conservative
Cllr Bill Morton  Conservative
Cllr Kevin Parry  Conservative
Cllr Anthony Peake  Conservative
Cllr Garry Perkins  Conservative
Cllr David Renard  Conservative
Cllr Eric Shaw  Conservative
Cllr Peter Stoddart  Conservative
Cllr Vera Tomlinson  Conservative
Cllr Keith Williams  Conservative
 

Members voting against the motion:

Cllr Junab Ali  Labour
Cllr John Ballman  Labour
Cllr Mark Dempsey  Labour
Cllr Jim Grant  Labour
Cllr Andy Harrison  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Jenny Millin  Labour
Cllr Des Moffatt  Labour
Cllr Derique Montaut  Labour
Cllr Stan Pajak  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Rochelle Russell  Labour
Cllr Kevin Small  Labour
Cllr Steve Wakefield  Labour
Cllr Martin Wiltshire*  Liberal Democrat
Cllr David Wood  Liberal Democrat
Cllr Bob Wright.  Labour
 

Councillors Ray Ballman (Deputy Mayor) and Rex Barnett (Mayor) abstained.


This was a significant cut which was engineered, driven through council as quickly as possible by the Conservative administration and supported solely by Conservative Councillors.

and still not all the questioned have been aswered.

a few of Tories absented themselves from the meeting… I wonder why?

Councillors Andy Albinson, Mavis Childs, Sinead Darker, Melanie Duff, Peter Heaton-Jones, John Short, Glenn Smith and David Wren
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 26, 2011, 12:39:50 PM
Was it a waste of everyone's time then last night?
You know it makes sense Ringer!

?? sorry Richard not with you, are you saying it was a waste of time last night or that the decision made sense or was it irony, please eleucidate for me.

I am saying it was a waste of time because it changed nothing and does not even seem to have highlighted it in the public perspective.

The Tories were well and trully whipped although I hear of privately expressed dissent.

As for the Labour Party where were the ranting Councillor Steve Allsopp and Councillor Faye Howard.  If this motion was that important why weren't you there, especially Steve Allsopp who completely lost it in front of me over the present Council's lack of care at a previous Council meeting.  Surely this has to be one of the most important debates of the year and attendence for dissent should have been compulsory - no excuses and I thought that Councillor Howard is up for election this year?

If the opposition parties handle this correctly it should anihilate the Tories in the elections.  Anyone prepared to wager with me that Councillor Mallinson's now guaranteed defeat will exceed that in number by the erstwhile Graham Cherry a couple of years ago?  Was it something like 590 odd?  Can't remember.

I think again if the Shaw and Nine Elms contest is handled properly you might just get an interesting result there as well, but the opponents to the Deputy Leader need to get a carefully formulated local to the ward leaflet out because this, to date, is not being discussed here, which is something he relies on - indifference the curse of Swindon and for that matter the country as a whole.  That is until it affects them personally and then the roof comes off.

Written from a firendly computer in Hertfordshire and a lot going on here, politically, as well.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bobby Bingo on March 26, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
Councillor Faye Howard was recovering from an operation on her left foot.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Mart on March 26, 2011, 09:19:48 PM
The Tories were well and trully whipped although I hear of privately expressed dissent.

w@nkers.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 26, 2011, 09:27:24 PM
Councillor Faye Howard was recovering from an operation on her left foot.

I still see this as being sufficiently important for her to attend if necessary in a wheelchair to show solidarity

and I see Paul Baker was missing as well!!

Obviously Labour is taking this seriously after all?

The Tories were well and trully whipped although I hear of privately expressed dissent.

w@nkers.


That assuming they can remember how to Mart!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 26, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
Quote from the Advertiser article on Friday by Adam Kula:-

'And there was uproar when deputy leader Coun Garry Perkins (Con, Shaw and Nine Elms) hit back at Labour critics, saying: “We’re not scrapping homecare. It’s scaremongering, trying to get votes and get people to sign your petitions, not telling people the truth.” '

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8934505.Game_over_for_Swindon_Council_s_home_care_team/

Typical spital flecked rant by the deputy leader and Councillor Mallinson living at the other end of my estate to whom do I turn to to end this Tory duplicity? 


Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: tell me more on March 27, 2011, 12:29:12 AM
Has one of the 4 new providers of the sacked home care workers contract put forward that they cannot supply staff till the 5/4/11 even though the in house team finish on the 31/3/11. oh dear can some one check this out as it is alleged the company begining with an "S" cant provide? please assure me this is incorrect ?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on March 27, 2011, 07:04:54 AM
Has one of the 4 new providers of the sacked home care workers contract put forward that they cannot supply staff till the 5/4/11 even though the in house team finish on the 31/3/11. oh dear can some one check this out as it is alleged the company begining with an "S" cant provide? please assure me this is incorrect ?

Some are saying it will be a longer lead in period as companies need more staff. or maybe its just part of the plan?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Mart on March 27, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
That assuming they can remember how to Mart!

Or Mr Whippy gives them permission.

Been rubbing me crystal ball (handy for predicting rain as well).

It says that this swashbuckling piece of visionary governance will see plummeting satisfaction on the part of the recipients and quite astonishing increases in financial cost in real terms.

How the fiscal archictects of WiFi (other financial debacles are available) think they are equipped to sort this out escapes me, politics are toxic for most aspects of every day life you know.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 27, 2011, 10:23:54 AM
Mart

Can that ball predict 6 from 49? Or who will be leader of the Council in May 2012?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Bogomil on March 27, 2011, 02:05:28 PM
I still see this as being sufficiently important for her to attend if necessary in a wheelchair to show solidarity

and I see Paul Baker was missing as well!!

Now there’s a surprise….  :o

I understand that there besides the Tory amendment to the Labour motion that there was further amendment that called for a cross working party to investigate what was the truth out of all the conflicting evidence and supposition/anecdotal evidence put forward from Mallinson & Co and the Home Care providers. Of course Mallinson & Co would never want the truth to come out but what interests me more is the potential legal position.

These care workers have been selected for redundancy because the council has ended the contract with it’s own in house care department. The council in this case is both the contractor and the employer. IF the information on which the council it based it’s decision to end the in house contract, and thereby the employment of the home care workers, is found to have been based on known incorrect information (lies lies and more lies) would the home care workers have a case in tribunal for unfair dismissal?

Maybe someone with a greater knowledge of the law than me could let us have their view.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Steve Wakefield on March 27, 2011, 03:05:20 PM
Bogo

I pointed this out on Thursday there is always legal advice and legal opinion, but that applies to all parties involved in seeking legal advice. The only place to test it is in a court. I asked some questions of the leader and if they could be answered in writing, only to be informed during the debate that at 5pm that evening information was now available to the Cabinet.

This is a strange way of conductng council business, I hope the information will be forthcoming for all councillors.

As with all legal advice and opinion, the best place to test it is in a court of law, the Judge will decide the outcome, I would never venture or second guess the law. I find it is best to leave that to the Judge, will this action be challenged in a court, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 27, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
Has one of the 4 new providers of the sacked home care workers contract put forward that they cannot supply staff till the 5/4/11 even though the in house team finish on the 31/3/11. oh dear can some one check this out as it is alleged the company begining with an "S" cant provide? please assure me this is incorrect ?

Look TMM they have thought of everything with indecent haste.

You know it makes sense!!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 27, 2011, 05:44:40 PM
and I only hope that no old people who do not have family or friends to check up on them do not fall out of bed trying to look after themselves because the 'care worker' hasn't turned up and has a result nearly die from the trauma.

Now that might have implications which would not be forseen.

Act in haste repent at leisure is a saying that comes to mind - I for one would not like to 'own' this responsibility and it will be interesting to see if the protagonists actually do 'care' if anything does go wrong. 

It will be a measure of them as human beings as well as politicians.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: napm on March 27, 2011, 06:24:04 PM
Councillor Faye Howard was recovering from an operation on her left foot.

I still see this as being sufficiently important for her to attend if necessary in a wheelchair to show solidarity


It was my right ankle!
I was one of the 7 sigantaures calling for the extra council meeting, hoping it would be pre-op. As it was I had the op on Tuesday and there was no way I could make Thursday's meeting. I love the idea of a wheelchair  :) If I could move about the house safely this may be a possibility but I am a fair while off this  :bash:  I have also been signed off my work as a nurse for 3 months, with bosses there aware I am a councillor I have been advised no work at GWH means no work anywhere. If I go against that I risk the sack, as a union rep I've seen that happen more than once.
I missed yesterdays march too and the two childrens services meetings next week which is just horrible. It does mean more time to keep up to date with this site and time to plan my campaign to save the NHS.   :)
I have arranged office work at the hospital which I can do still in plaster earlier than 3 months so I can get back into the Council and community again too, I'm keen to be out, there sitting still is really not me!
I care passionately about my work as a Councillor both for the people of Parks and for the work I do in the Council for the wider Swindon community, especially Children's services.  But what will be will be, I don't take anything for granted not votes & continued support and not my health.  This was an op I needed or it would continue to deteriorate, no timing is good. Months before I'm up for election may not have been my choosing but I'm very grateful to have had it done. Just hope it works now.
Hope to contribute more over the next few weeks  :)
Fay
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on March 27, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Thank you for your frank and honest reply Faye, I wish you a speedy recovery but hope you will now be able to take the time to become a regular contributor to this forum, it needs more input from your group, not least of all on this very important subject and its consequences.

A question remains though, where was your fellow ward Councillor Steve Allsopp, the shadow Lead Member for Adult Services or is it a conflict of interest to him to be there?  I hope that he and Councillor Paul Baker are not in a similar position to your own?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on April 02, 2011, 08:18:40 AM
There was an article in the adver yesterday on the Home Care  finishing on 31st March. I am sure lots of people would have hoped thatw as an April Fools Joke sadly it was not and now it is gone, anyone able to scan it in? It maybe online, but I could not find it.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 02, 2011, 09:21:17 AM
Ringer did I hear that on their last day the Home Care Team were scurrying around trying to cover for a significant failure to provide that service from one of the private contractors? 

What happens, now that they have gone and will, no longer, be able to step into the breach and cover such situations?

Is it possible that due to any future failure from these contractors that some of the elderly may be left in bed, unfed, in their own mess and at significant risk as they attempt to attend to themselves.

How long will it be before there is a significant incident?

Tory Care, You Know it Makes Sense.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Mart on April 02, 2011, 09:36:03 AM
How long will it be before there is a significant incident?

Not long enough. There will be an enquiry, there will be admissions of significant failings that are being addressed, there will be statements of improved obscure measures that count for sweet feck all and somewhere someone's parent will have died a miserable death.

Still, long as it comes in on target and the mineral water continues to flow.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 02, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
How long will it be before there is a significant incident?

Not long enough. There will be an enquiry, there will be admissions of significant failings that are being addressed, there will be statements of improved obscure measures that count for sweet feck all and somewhere someone's parent will have died a miserable death.

Still, long as it comes in on target and the mineral water continues to flow.

You cynic Mart.

I believe that there will be serious trouble if this were to happen and the start of serious Government intervention. 

Can you see the headlines?

Tory Government Intervenes in Serious Care for the Elderly Failures in Tory Lead Swindon Borough Council

It could happen and I would not want to be Councillor Peter Mallinson in those circumstances, whether he survives the elections or not.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Mart on April 02, 2011, 10:08:17 AM
He probably thinks he is decisive, chisel jawed, hard nosed and pragmatic. The voice of reason, stiff legged on the quaterdeck, a focal point deserving of admiration in a storm of ill informed hysteria.

I beg to differ. There are areas of expenditure more deserving of rationalisation.

His criteria for success differ significantly from the recipients of the service. No service at all would satisfy at least one of his measures of success.

The shapers of a service often appear to be those least likely to require it to my untutored eye.

Pass the Evian. Slice of lime would be nice.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 02, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
I was told that at the Special meeting of the Council on March 24th poor Councillor Mallinson's face was as white as his hair.

What does that tell you?

What intrigues me is how you can save money by sacking the staff that do the work and retain the management structure in its entirety?

and what Legal Safeguards exist for the delivery of this now privatised service and what Penalties exists if the Contractors Fail?

The Devil is always in the Detail.

Act in Haste and Repent at Leisure
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Muggins on April 02, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
"He probably thinks he is decisive, chisel jawed, hard nosed and pragmatic. The voice of reason, stiff legged on the quaterdeck, a focal point deserving of admiration in a storm of ill informed hysteria.

I beg to differ. There are areas of expenditure more deserving of rationalisation"

Like switch the speed cameras back on...........interesting data from the shut down. 
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Beale on April 02, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
What intrigues me is how you can save money by sacking the staff that do the work and retain the management structure in its entirety?

Well there you have it, although Cllr Bluh often says he has cut management cost by (30%?) How many have actually gone in the recent round of cuts?

Still you have to retain the managers to sack the functionary's , then you can get their directors to sack them.

All the while the highest paid and least productive staff are sacked last.

British public service management, Best in world.....
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on April 03, 2011, 12:35:09 AM

Re: Peter Mallinson

He probably thinks he is decisive, chisel jawed, hard nosed and pragmatic. The voice of reason, stiff legged on the quaterdeck, a focal point deserving of admiration in a storm of ill informed hysteria.

I expect he does, but I think he's a nasty, unreasonable, untrustworthy old bastard who would sell his granny for glue.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 04, 2011, 02:09:22 PM
The Lead Member for Adult Care has written in today's Adver!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8941954.Letter_from_Coun_Peter_Mallinson/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8941954.Letter_from_Coun_Peter_Mallinson/)

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Letter from Coun Peter Mallinson
10:40am Monday 4th April 2011

IN his recent letter Martin Wicks says that I insult the council care workers by saying they are too expensive. Well I am sorry Mr Wicks, but they are.

Their union agree that there are 64 workers involved, producing 450 car hours a week and they put the blame on the management for this. If you do a quick calculation you will see that each worker averages seven hours per week, that is one hour 24 minutes per day.

There are full time and part time staff involved so the actual figure per employee may vary slightly but the total is still only 450 hours per week.

We pay £1.3m for this service and then have to pay private providers again for the hours not covered, these are 1,350 hours at £15 per hour, per week.

So don’t lecture me Mr Wicks about costs, the union agreed with the figures but blame the council.

Where else can you get paid a full week’s pay for only doing, on average, one hour 24 minutes a day?

COUN PETER MALLINSON Walcot


Well, of course, the care workers are responsible for the inefficiency of their operation aren't they?  Don't be so utterly silly Peter of course they are not.  It is the way they are managed which should be the issue because they cannot possibly take that responsibility.  It is rather like blaming the stokers on the Titanic for running into the iceberg, but then this is the crazy way in which this administration thinks isn't it?  Or is it a redefinition of the word INNOVATIVE?

What is the good Councillor doing about the costly and ineffective management team in Adult Care?  Absolutely nothing as I understand it and they carry on as though they bear no responsibility whatsoever.  And how much consultation with your workforce did you undertake when you considered this matter in your indecent haste to act purely on political dogma, without any apparent consideration for the consequences?.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 04, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
You make a good point; whoever has been allowing these public employees to draw a full wage for an average of 1.5 hours' work per day should be sacked immediately. Surely even a part-time employee would be expected to do more than that?

Although, one question remains... what on earth are these people doing for the other 6 hours per day?  ???
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on April 04, 2011, 02:35:54 PM

20 was posting as you were you have expressed some of my sentiments on the subject ;)
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 04, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
You make a good point; whoever has been allowing these public employees to draw a full wage for an average of 1.5 hours' work per day should be sacked immediately. Surely even a part-time employee would be expected to do more than that?

Although, one question remains... what on earth are these people doing for the other 6 hours per day?  ???

and 20 what were management doing about it?

But now that is put outside to the Private Sector doesn't this mean less work for Management as well, so where are the redundancies amongst their number?

This Council is becoming so top heavy with Management and their associated costs it will soon keel over.

Come on You Know it Makes Sense!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 04, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
and 20 what were management doing about it?

It's hard to know what on earth they were doing, but I think the blanks should be filled in here. Is it any wonder that people in the private sector get annoyed at paying wages and pensions for people who only actually put in 84 minutes work per day?

It beggars belief that so-called 'management' can allow this to happen.

But now that is put outside to the Private Sector doesn't this mean less work for Management as well, so where are the redundancies amongst their number?

By the sounds of it, they're going to need even more managers. It's going to be a shock to have to manage staff who are actually there for more than a couple of cups of coffee per day.

Come on You Know it Makes Sense!

Working 1.5 hours a day for a full wage packet does make a hell of a lot of sense. Nice work, if you can get it.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: A Mole on April 04, 2011, 07:10:14 PM
Don't be lulled by Tory spin.  Ofcourse these staff work a full day.  Mallinson is talking about productive v non-productive working time.  Non-productive working time includes entering data into data entry systems and spreadsheets, team meetings, one-to-one meetings with line manager, appraisals, time sheets, attending training, reading countless emails from idiots like Mallinson, attending Gavin Jones's propaganda presentations etc etc. 

That is not the fault of the worker, that is the fault of the management for not removing all the non-productive crap and allowing those staff to concentrate their time on what they're actually paid to do and what they're good at.

Cllr Mallinson, you should hang your head in shame for misleading the public.  You're either incompetent or a gutless liar.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on April 04, 2011, 07:19:47 PM
Cllr Mallinson, you should hang your head in shame for misleading the public.  You're either incompetent or a gutless liar.


Possibly both.

At this stage of his game the only number that Peter Mallinson is really bothered about is 45.


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Title: Tory, Tory, Tory, Is Social enterprise and NHS Reform A Political Divine Wind?
Post by: Ringer on April 05, 2011, 08:45:32 AM
Has Cllr Mallinson committed political suicide as some Divine Wind Blows through the Tory council, whilst the Tory Led Government keeps bottling it? . The Social Enterprise is a Tory Trojan Horse, it will last 3 years then it will have to re tender for its services and don't be surprised if up will pop a new arm of Capita an established public services Strategic Partner. Don't be fooled after Lansley U Turn yesterday I beleive that  the Social Enterprise is a Whistle Stop Cafe on the way to full on gung ho, blue mist of  hot & hard privatisation care.

This Tory Lead Liberal supported coalition, will sacrifice  a lot more political careers on the alter of public sector is bad as it stokes up the bonfire of Cameron's and Clegg's vanities.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 05, 2011, 10:04:41 AM
Cllr Mallinson, you should hang your head in shame for misleading the public.  You're either incompetent or a gutless liar.


Possibly both.

At this stage of his game the only number that Peter Mallinson is really bothered about is 45.


([url]http://www.talkswindon.org/politics/2007-sbc-elections/walcot.jpg[/url])


I must confess to being Councillor Mallinson's counting agent at the last election and up until the postals were counted he had lost to Neil Heavens by three votes.

Now I hope that Neil has learnt his lesson from that experience because the good people of Walcot thought Anne Snelgrove was the candidate his profile was so low.  Had he put himself about more we would never be talking about these cuts!!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 05, 2011, 10:28:06 AM
Labour will win in Walcot this time, it's nailed on.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Martin Wicks on April 05, 2011, 10:45:37 AM
"You make a good point; whoever has been allowing these public employees to draw a full wage for an average of 1.5 hours' work per day should be sacked immediately. Surely even a part-time employee would be expected to do more than that?

Although, one question remains... what on earth are these people doing for the other 6 hours per day?  ???"

It's more complicated than this. In the first place 12 of the 64 did not do the work (6 supervisors, 5 admin, one manager). Of the 52 that did the home visits only 3 were full-time, the rest doing contracts of 15, 22.5 or 30 hours.

A key question is this: why were the Council staff who dish out the work not giving the Council's Home care workers the work for which they were contracted to do? They were either deliberately running down the service or negligent beyond belief. Who was in charge of these 'commissioners'? Who had political responsibility? Whose job was it to make sure the contract was being fulfilled? Answers on a post card please....

There are other questions which I'll take up later but I've got to go and pay a small fortune to a dentist.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on April 05, 2011, 11:12:01 AM
They were either deliberately running down the service or negligent beyond belief. Who was in charge of these 'commissioners'? Who had political responsibility? Whose job was it to make sure the contract was being fulfilled? Answers on a post card please....


Councillor David Renard? I say this as he was always and still is boasting about how good the Tories have made social services, in fact he still does it by referring back to a 9 year old  report, maybe its his favourite political bedtime reading?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 05, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
It's more complicated than this. In the first place 12 of the 64 did not do the work (6 supervisors, 5 admin, one manager). Of the 52 that did the home visits only 3 were full-time, the rest doing contracts of 15, 22.5 or 30 hours.

A key question is this: why were the Council staff who dish out the work not giving the Council's Home care workers the work for which they were contracted to do? They were either deliberately running down the service or negligent beyond belief. Who was in charge of these 'commissioners'? Who had political responsibility? Whose job was it to make sure the contract was being fulfilled? Answers on a post card please....

And people get worried about privitisation?

If the above is the best the public sector can do, what's the point of the public sector? It's no good people who need care, and who've already paid for it, not receiving that care simply because some people prefer the idea of the state running everything so badly.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 05, 2011, 12:37:16 PM
I have just found this article on the Adver website and it makes interesting reading:
8:00pm Sunday 3rd April 2011

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8951448.Row_over_Swindon_Council_branding_fee/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8951448.Row_over_Swindon_Council_branding_fee/)

Row over Swindon Council branding fee
8:00pm Sunday 3rd April 2011

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THOUSANDS of pounds is being splashed out on a branding consultant for Swindon’s adult care staff.

Several thousand pounds out of a £10,000 government grant will be paid for “changing the perception and culture” of adult social care staff working for the council and NHS.

The move has sparked outrage from the leader of the Labour opposition, Derique Montaut (Central).

“One penny mis-spent for adult social care is one penny too much, when you consider they deal with the most vulnerable in the community,” he said.

“The council clearly hasn’t learned any lessons about gimmicks. They’re using consultants to brand one of their products.

“It’s totally unnecessary. It’s thousands of pounds. Every penny counts currently. We are not in a situation of abundance, and every penny needs to be targeted to the most vulnerable.

“Whether it’s central government cash or local authority cash, it’s all taxpayers’ money.”

The grant money, from the Social Enterprise Investment Fund, is part of the setting up of a new body called Care and Support Swindon.

Hundreds of adult care staff working for the NHS and the council are being transferred into the social enterprise later this year.

It will have 750 employees and a budget of £30m, but how it will actually work is still unclear.

When pressed, the council refused to say exactly how much of the £10,000 government grant is to be spent on the brand exercise, but the Adver understands it will be the bulk of the cash.

Among the things it would be used for is ‘changing staff perception’ and ‘creating a new culture’.

But Coun Peter Mallinson (Con, Walcot), said it was needed to get them used to the new ways of working in the new body.

“Next time Derique Montaut comes along and says something like that, ask him if he’s going to the civic dinner in May,” he said.

“It’s a free dinner thrown out to all councillors and guests. No-one ever kicks up a fuss about that, and it costs thousands. I won’t go because I don’t think it’s right.

“This money hasn’t come from the NHS or local council. It comes from a department set up by the government specifically to help set up social enterprises.

“The training of staff is vital, absolutely vital. Everybody’s got to face the same way in the rowing boat otherwise it goes nowhere.”

In a statement, the council said: “Care and Support Swindon applied for a grant of less than £10,000 from central government, via the Social Enterprise Investment Fund, to help establish the new organisation. A proportion of that funding will be spent on helping staff to create a brand for this new employee-led organisation.

“None of the funding for the branding of Care and Support Swindon has come from Swindon Council or NHS Swindon.”


As I understand it only current Councillors receive invitations to the Civic Dinner and as Councillor Mallinson is up for election prior to this date he would not have received one.

I also find comments between close friends somewhat difficult to understand, even if they are political adversaries.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 06, 2011, 08:29:54 AM
A very well constructed thought provoking letter in the Adver this morning from Jenny Millin:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8945859.Letter_from_Coun_Jenny_Millin/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8945859.Letter_from_Coun_Jenny_Millin/)[/url]Letter from Coun Jenny Millin

7:40am Wednesday 6th April 2011

IT was with a very heavy heart that I witnessed the sad demise of our dedicated Home Care Service into the profit driven hands of private enterprise. Our Tory administration claims that the staff had been working at only at 45 per cent efficiency. If that is so, then surely the blame is wholly theirs for not managing the service more efficiently.

Furthermore the four private companies that the Tories favour to take over this vitally important and skilled work, say that they can deliver the same quality of service for a measly £15 per hour. However the Starfish report on home care states that “no homecare service can be delivered with quality, or meet standards, for less than £25 per hour”. So where are the corners going to be cut? The only ones to suffer in this are the voiceless disabled, sick, mentally ill, and elderly, who use the service. Furthermore I ask that if these private companies can provide the same quantity and quality of service for £15, and make a healthy profit as well, why couldn't Swindon Borough Council do the same?

Finally we must not forget that Swindon Borough Council Home Carers are more qualified, trained and experienced than any other private homecare provider. This was highlighted by the fact that SBC's Homecare service was rated an excellent service with outstanding features by the Care Quality Commission.

So what happened, and why was the service allowed to be so badly run? I think the people of Swindon have a right to know.

COUN JENNY MILLIN (Labour Councillor for Moredon)

You have to ask yourselves, in view of the lack of answers from Lead Member for Adult Services, does he actually care or is this his political obituary as he seeks re election in Walcot?

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 06, 2011, 08:48:26 AM
A nicely written letter, although a couple of aspects standout:

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Furthermore I ask that if these private companies can provide the same quantity and quality of service for £15, and make a healthy profit as well, why couldn't Swindon Borough Council do the same?

This, unfortunately, displays the tendency of Labour to believe that public services are somehow automatically as good as/better than private companies can provide. In almost all cases, the public sector costs more because of in-built ineffciencies and a disproportionate amount of managers.

I was reading an interview with the NHS union leader yesterday, where he argued that industrial action to protect NHS workers' pensions actually meant strikes would happen to 'save the NHS and protect patient care'. Now, there's a tenuous argument that says a 20 year old nurse might possibly somehow change their working patterns and approach because they know there's a tasty pension coming in 45 years time, but I don't tend to think that really figures in their top 5 motivations for doing the job (and, if it does, surely that's just another version of private companies being motivated by financial incentives?). So, this guy was cynically claiming that patient care would suffer if the taxpayer didn't keep stoking the gold plated pensions of NHS staff. Hmm.

Again, Montaut was banging on the other day about how 'every penny' must be devoted to adult care services. How can that be the case if an awful lot of the pennies are simply paying for staff pensions?

We need to decide whether we want better public services for our money, or whether we want lots of public sector workers to enjoy comparatively lavish retirements in a few decades time. If it came down to my mother receiving 2 hours of care per week and her carers getting a large pension, or receiving 4 hours of care and her carers getting a more modest pension, I know which option I'd choose. Sadly, the country needs to make a choice, it's not in the position of being able to afford both.

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Finally we must not forget that Swindon Borough Council Home Carers are more qualified, trained and experienced than any other private homecare provider.

Is this actually true? Are SBC home carers actually superior to any private home care providers? What if the SBC home carers go and work for the private companies, do they somehow lose their abilities?  :-\

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This was highlighted by the fact that SBC's Homecare service was rated an excellent service with outstanding features by the Care Quality Commission.

Did nobody else achieve that rating then?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 06, 2011, 09:24:33 AM

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Furthermore I ask that if these private companies can provide the same quantity and quality of service for £15, and make a healthy profit as well, why couldn't Swindon Borough Council do the same?

This, unfortunately, displays the tendency of Labour to believe that public services are somehow automatically as good as/better than private companies can provide. In almost all cases, the public sector costs more because of in-built ineffciencies and a disproportionate amount of managers.


The trouble is 20 that just because it is private doesn't necessarily mean it is better, more efficient, or cost effective and furthermore there has to be a profit element as well.

I have experienced some horrendous waste in the private sector in my time. 

I personally believe in the mixed economy where the best of private and public are combined in the better interest of everyone. 

These cuts are based on pure dogma and do not appear to safeguard any possible failures in delivery.  It was achieved with indecent haste and sadly never gave the staff the opportunity to offer an input as to how savings could be achieved and for that reason alone it is entirely wrong.  Just wait for the consequences of any failure they will be dramatic but god forbid they happen and then I will happily admit I was wrong to oppose them.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on April 06, 2011, 09:38:29 AM
Did nobody else achieve that rating then?


That says that for someone with 20 eyes they read nothing on TS but have an opinion on everything, you did not miss it as this is reply 56 and surprise surprise I think you will find you were reply 57 and commented on it.   http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7201.msg56055#msg56055 (http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7201.msg56055#msg56055) You must remember 20 when you are patrolling on TS remember what you posted, that is the first rule of  a good patroll.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 06, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
That says that for someone with 20 eyes they read nothing on TS but have an opinion on everything, you did not miss it as this is reply 56 and surprise surprise I think you will find you were reply 57 and commented on it.   [url]http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7201.msg56055#msg56055[/url] ([url]http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7201.msg56055#msg56055[/url]) You must remember 20 when you are patrolling on TS remember what you posted, that is the first rule of  a good patroll.


After having put that through my handy translator, I still don't think you've actually understood what I said.

Ms Millin claimed that, "Finally we must not forget that Swindon Borough Council Home Carers are more qualified, trained and experienced than any other private homecare provider."

In the link you provided, the only other private homecare providers mentioned were the ones involved in Swindon. Maybe these are the only private homecare providers in the country, I don't know, but I'd be surprised. If not, then Ms Millin's statement still needs clarifying.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on April 06, 2011, 10:05:28 AM
20 I thought Jenny Millins letter was one of the best I had read in a very long time.

If you want clarification get the Lead Member to answer some of the many questions that are outstanding. 

That is if he can without asking his officers!!

or are they being lined up to take responsibility if anything goes wrong?
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 06, 2011, 10:17:15 AM
20 I thought Jenny Millins letter was one of the best I had read in a very long time.

It's a good letter, Ms Millin has asked some good questions and made some valid points. As I say, if you're of a certain viewpoint then lines such as, "It was with a very heavy heart that I witnessed the sad demise of our dedicated Home Care Service into the profit driven hands of private enterprise" will almost have you reaching for the Kleenex.

If not, it does sound a bit sixth-form Leftie corner.

I don't agree that public services are automatically better than private - even though they certainly should be at three times the price. Do we know if any of the existing staff will take up (essentially the same) roles but under the employ of the private companies?

If you want clarification get the Lead Member to answer some of the many questions that are outstanding. 

That is if he can without asking his officers!!

I'm not the one  making the claims.

or are they being lined up to take responsibility if anything goes wrong?

Who knows. Things will have 'gone wrong' under the SBC home care team, it's in the nature of their sector. Things will probably go wrong under the incoming care teams, for the same reason.

It's yet to be proven, but if the same - or broadly similar - level of home care can be provided at a third of the cost, surely we need to explore that option? I don't think the staff who work for private home care teams are any more or less caring of their clients than those who work for SBC, it's a little insulting to imply they might not care as much about the people they look after (especially given that some of them might be the self-same people).
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Ringer on April 06, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
No one has ever knocked the frontline care from any carer and anyway the reports from the inspectors do the talking. Shouldn't you be out patrolling other sites as I am sure your translation skills are needed to turn truth into 20 fiction.  :2funny:
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: 20Eyes on April 06, 2011, 10:50:57 AM
No one has ever knocked the frontline care from any

What, ever?  :2funny:
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on April 07, 2011, 03:34:36 PM

Again, Montaut was banging on the other day about how 'every penny' must be devoted to adult care services. How can that be the case if an awful lot of the pennies are simply paying for staff pensions?

We need to decide whether we want better public services for our money, or whether we want lots of public sector workers to enjoy comparatively lavish retirements in a few decades time. If it came down to my mother receiving 2 hours of care per week and her carers getting a large pension, or receiving 4 hours of care and her carers getting a more modest pension, I know which option I'd choose. Sadly, the country needs to make a choice, it's not in the position of being able to afford both.


What would the average pension be for an SBC, (now ex sbc), domiciliary care worker? - I very much doubt it will be anything like as 'large' as spreaders of the various public sector pensions myth's would have readers believe and I have yet to see an average public sector worker retire into 'lavishness'.

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: A Mole on April 07, 2011, 04:09:45 PM
Lord Hutton actually "rejected the idea that public service pensions were "gold-plated", pointing out that the average pension in payment was modest at about £7,800 a year".

But don't let the truth get in the way of good spin eh 20Eyes

Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on April 07, 2011, 06:50:27 PM
Lord Hutton actually "rejected the idea that public service pensions were "gold-plated", pointing out that the average pension in payment was modest at about £7,800 a year".


About £150 per week then. Hardly lavish.

Funnily enough I know an older gentleman, (let's call him 'Stan'), who lives in Moredon who, since Cllr Mallinson 'made some changes' to adult services in Swindon, seems to be paying quite a bit more for his care than he did 3 or 4 months ago.

Stan is 87, and has lived alone and independently since his wife died.  Last year Stan suffered a stroke, since which time he's needed some in home domiciliary care.  Stan used to pay just over £100 each week for the care he received.

Since Cllr Mallinson has been 'cutting costs', 'driving out inefficiencies' and getting rid of the in-house domiciliary care team, Stan has noticed that the same level of care is now costing him £241 each week.  Stan's care costs are in addition to his weekly rent and are a charge he knows he must pay even before he thinks about putting groceries into the cupboards.

I note that at the very time when many older and more vulnerable, (by age and/or illness), people are 'enjoying' similar increases to to the cost of care they need, several Conservative candidates in this years local elections are pushing the 'PENSIONERS CHEER THE COUNCIL TAX FREEZE' message, hoping that most readers will not recognise the attendant irony.

(http://www.talkswindon.org/politics/leaflet_archive/2011%2004%2005%20Shaw%20&%20Nine%20Elms%20-%20Conservative_thumbnail.jpg) (http://www.talkswindon.org/politics/leaflet_archive/2011%2004%2005%20Shaw%20&%20Nine%20Elms%20-%20Conservative.pdf)

Btw:  The 'Cheering Pensioner' in Cllr Perkin's election leaflet is none other than Conservative Cllr Mick Bray, (Freshbrook & Grange Park).   Most pensioners I talk to realise that even with a zero increase in council tax this year it is still the highest it has ever been.

Also worth noting that  Rod's Bluhligans have increased council tax by over 50% since they've been in but constantly distract attention from this by pointing out that Labour had previously increased it by 42%.
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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 07, 2011, 07:36:37 PM
can you give a break down of the 50% incease, since they have been in power, and wasnt the 42% over just three years?.
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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 07, 2011, 08:29:26 PM

Btw:  The 'Cheering Pensioner' in Cllr Perkin's election leaflet is none other than Conservative Cllr Mick Bray, (Freshbrook & Grange Park).   Most pensioners I talk to realise that even with a zero increase in council tax this year it is still the highest it has ever been.


You have not added that the Cheering Pensioner, Councillor Mick Bray, is soon to be Deputy Mayor.

Are the Tories so hard up they have to use their own to get their message accross?
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 08, 2011, 08:33:35 AM
 
 
can you give a break down of the 50% incease, since they have been in power, and wasnt the 42% over just three years?.


When you examine it objectively the '42% over three years' isn't anything like as large or reckless are you're supposed to imagine.

I don't expect readers to dumbly accept any figures I supply, I'm pretty sure they are right, but it's easy enough to check the rates and do the math yourselves:


After Labour had made 42% increases in council tax they had added £317 to council tax bills for properties in band D.

Bluh's Conservatives therefore inherited a Band D base rate of £757

The 2009/2010 council tax rate (http://council-tax-rates.com/index.php/rates-by-council/782-Swindon%20%20Council%20Tax%20Rate) for the same Band D property was £1,366 - an increase of £609 under Mr Bluh.

I think it is accurate to say that under Mr Bluh, the council tax for a Band D property has risen by more than 50% and £609 is obviously almost 100% more money than £317.

Swindon's conservatives ought to understand the subject matter a little better if they're going to wheel out the 42% figure at every election :)





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Post by: Ringer on April 08, 2011, 09:16:58 AM
Geoff

Kohima knows this it has been posted on other threads before  in response to him posting about the "broken record" line of Justin Tomlinson MP and repeated ad nauseum by Cllr David Renard....... cobblers.  :2funny:

Kohima

Before you ask what I am going on about in December 2003 Swindon was rated in top ten worst council's under Mike Bawden Leader of the council  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3330199.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3330199.stm)

Mike Bawden was on about a 13.1 % rise himself in December 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3313261.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3313261.stm)
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 08, 2011, 09:34:36 AM
Geoff

Kohima knows this it has been posted on other threadsbefore  in response to him posting about the "broken record" line of Justin Tomlinson MP and repeated ad nauseum by Cllr David Renard

Yes, Cllr Renard is fond of using decade-old reports to criticise the Sue Bates-led labour council of that era, usually when he's trying to direct attention away from what he and his colleagues are doing right now.

I think Renard is too lazy to bother trying to justify what he's doing to the electorate, (afterall, he doesn't feel the need to until he's up for re-election next year), so he'll keep repeating the same mantra in the same manner that he tweets - like a broken record repeating the same line of a song, over and over again. 
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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 08, 2011, 09:52:34 AM
A letter in the Adver this morning from Bob FM

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8958250.Letter_from_Robert_Feal_Martinez/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/8958250.Letter_from_Robert_Feal_Martinez/)

Letter from Robert Feal-Martinez
8:40am Friday 8th April 2011

TO say I was stunned by Coun Mallinson's attack on the council care workers is frankly an understatement (SA, letters April 4).

Having seen the council commissioned report of the service, it is clear that very many of the failings are indeed the mismanagement of the service, rather than the care workers themselves.

If he is correct in his assessment of hours actually worked etc, then who else is to blame other than supervisors and above. As an employer you schedule your employees hours and only pay them if they actually work them.

The report seems to indicate a complete lack of integrated management.

Perhaps Coun Mallinson and his fellow Tory councillors should have read their own report more carefully where it outlined very clearly that the cuts could be made in the management team, and thus improve efficiency. I did not note any suggestion from the report’s author of the need to transfer the services out of council control.

What is also concerning is that the council appears to have contracted out this service to four companies none of which has achieved the level of rating by the Care Commission that its own in-house team, did, 3 Star Excellent.

Coun Mallinson accuses members of the council opposition of playing politics, and others of lying. I would suggest Coun Mallinson and his colleagues are playing Russian roulette with the lives of the elderly and vulnerable. A far worse 'crime' than playing politics.

ROBERT FEAL-MARTINEZ South Marston Swindon

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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 08, 2011, 09:53:02 PM
Ringer, you quote about the town being voted one of the 10 worst run councils, was that after or before the labour government took control of the education department of the council away from them and gave it to a team from the Kent council to run, because of the rubbbish way it was being run and do you remember when Nick Martin tried to publish the education report, chaps like Mr Montaut did their best to get it binned, and when it is reported the council tax went up by £607, was there published, a reason for the increase?, and was that increase just a local thing or did councils up and down the country, face the same rises, and when did the conservatives offically take over the council in the present run in?.
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Post by: Ringer on April 08, 2011, 10:44:41 PM
Kohima

For once please back up what you say. Bring forward the facts, I ask this as I  remember you were wrong on the Tesco 106 monies and wrong on where the Brunel monies went.

when did the conservatives offically take over the council in the present run in?.


Mike Bawden was council leader in December 2003 as posted earlier here is the http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3313261.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3313261.stm) that means they would have set the council tax in 2003/04.  Here is a report that gives details of 2005/06 budget now bear in mind READ FIRST PARA TOP OF PAGE 2 CAREFULLY  it says 42.5% over the last 3 years which would be 02/03, 03/04, 04/05. The years 03/04 & 04/05 according to the BBC link would be Tory years.  Anyway Kohima feel free to prove me wrong with evidence, not your opinion that of those 3 years the Tories were responsible for 32% of that increase. Here is the link http://www.swindon.gov.uk/textV2/finance.pdf (http://www.swindon.gov.uk/textV2/finance.pdf)



Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on April 08, 2011, 11:24:01 PM
 
it is reported the council tax went up by £607,

Don't you mean "Went up to £607" ?

Ringer's right, give us the facts and proper context please  :)
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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 09, 2011, 01:32:08 PM
ref the tesco monies, I said that they had to pay money for the permision to have the so called extension built (which turned out to be a car park), this money was to improve the shops facias in gorsehill, they did give £30,000, for this, but as stated in the FOI, it also had a caveat, which said that the money couldnt be used to the detriment of the tesco shop, so the money was given to St Marks Rec and used there to improve the facilities, so how was that wrong.  the one about the brunel shopping centre, i have never been able to get a copy of the adver which showed the donation from the government or how it was spent, but that is that, what else did you say, I asked when the conservatives took over the council, is that a wrong question or what. If you doubt what I said about the education dept, then ring Nick Martin and ask him or ask some of the labour councillors on here and ask them to confirm.
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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 09, 2011, 01:37:35 PM
the reason for the question about when they took over is to clarify when the tax went up, as on the 5 Oct 04 I was paying £112 a month, on the 29|3|05 I was paying £116.05 and on the 27 Jan 11, I was paying £138.
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Post by: Mart on April 09, 2011, 07:52:33 PM
Renard, sounds French?  Nuff said.

Once again we have a debate on local politics that is all about who scores highest on the twatometer.

Let's face it, any catastrophic sack of shoite that an incoming authority inherits simply gets painted blue, or red, and trundles on.

Coun Mallinson accuses members of the council opposition of playing politics

Oh feckin really?  That is a shocker, I'd be interested to learn what else any of  the feckless toads get up to. It's all politics and as such completely unsuited to local government.

Do try and keep up.
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Post by: Martin Wicks on April 11, 2011, 06:39:35 PM
This is a letter to the Advertiser in response to Mr Mallinson's reply to a letter by myself.

Peter Mallinson – more questions than answers

Peter Mallinson’s irate response to a letter of mine in relation to Homecare raises more questions than he answers. In the first instance he gives us average hours worked based on 64 staff. Yet I believe 12 of these staff did not deliver Homecare themselves. Six of them were supervisors who carried out assessments and trained staff, five were admin staff, and one was a manager. Of the 52 left only 3 were full-time. The rest worked shifts of either 15, 22.5 or 30 hours a week.

Certainly 450 hours shared amongst 52 is not a lot. But Mr Mallinson does not explain when this figure related to or why it was so low. Of course, once it was clear they had lost the contract the amount of work was bound to decline.

In his various comments in the Adver Mr Mallinson gave the impression that this situation was the fault of the workers themselves. He said that instead of campaigning in defence of their jobs they should be trying to improve their ‘performance’ and ‘productivity’, as if they weren’t working hard enough. Of course they could only do the work their managers gave them. Indeed I know that the staff were asking for more work. Given the fact that when the contract was given they were contracted to work 1,800 hours a week, why were they given less and less work?

The work was handed out by Swindon Council staff. So perhaps Mr Mallinson can explain why Council staff were not giving work to the Council’s Homecare team which they were contracted to do. It is difficult to imagine any reason other than an effort to run down the service or the most extraordinary negligence on the part of the management.

Mr Mallinson says they were “too expensive” but when the Homecare team won the contract the Council knew what the price of the work was. So why would it have come as a surprise to him? If it was “too expensive” why did his Council give them the contract in the first place?

Another curious thing is this. If Mr Mallinson was to get his calculator out he would discover that 1,800 hours divided between 52 staff works out at an average of nearly 35 hours each. Given the fact that 49 of them were working part-time, with hours as few as 15 a week how could they cover 1,800 hours? I understand that these staff added up to 32 full-time equivalents. A full-time job was 37 hours. That adds up to 1140 hours. So how could they cover 1800?

In fact if you look at the Quality Care Commission report of 2009 (the one that rated the service excellent) you will see that it says that the department “deploys approximately 100 community support workers organised into 9
 teams”.
 There is no detail given as to how many carried out the home visits but it seems a fair bet that 52 is a lot less than were originally in place. I am told that over that period the Council did not replace the jobs of people who left. However, it is no wonder that the amount of work they did declined with such a drop in staff numbers.

Mr Mallinson writes as if all the work that is done is the same, regardless of who delivers it. It’s my understanding, however, that the Council’s Homecare staff did more complicated work than the private agencies do. They tended to deal with the cases of greater handicap and greater need, work that private companies would not want to do, since it would eat into their profit margins. If this was the case then the cost would inevitably be higher.

One of the positive aspects of the work of the Homecare team was continuity of service. Their staff tended to provide the service to the same patients over a long time. That contrasts with the experience of a friend of mine, using a private agency, who has had 14 different staff visiting her over a couple of months. She has no complaints of the staff who do their best in difficult circumstances. But surely such a situation inevitably means that the quality of service will be less good.

One final thing. The criticism of those opposed to the transfer of the work is not of the people who work for the private companies. Indeed, they are victims of a system which places profit before the needs of the people they serve. They are an exploited workforce. Our criticism is of the companies they work for and the system which exploits them; the subordination of a public service to the profit motive.

Martin Wicks
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 11, 2011, 06:53:41 PM
 
Well put.

I understand Cllr Mallinson was instructed not to discuss how the £45 an hour figure was arrived at and not to discuss 'the detail' of how work was, or in fact was not, given to the domiciliary home care team.

I note that the SBC charges being put to a relative of mine who receives home care have more than doubled recently, to just under £1,000 per calendar month.  The SBC homecare team gets the axe to save money but at least one elderly and vulnerable person I know of is now being charged twice what they used to pay by SBC for what seems to be a shrinking service.

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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 11, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
A very well constructed letter Martin, but one question has yet to be answered and that is

What Safeguards has Councillor Mallinson put in place to ensure the Required Level of Service is Provided Day in Day Out and What Safety Net is being Provided to Deal with anything that goes Wrong?

You will recall Martin that recent failures were in fact covered by extraording action by the HomeCare Team, and now it no longer exists.

Furthermore, how is the Level of Service against these Contracts being monitored and by what criteria?

Again more questions than answers and this situation really worries me.
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Post by: Drone on April 12, 2011, 06:54:30 AM
A very well constructed letter Martin, but one question has yet to be answered and that is

What Safeguards has Councillor Mallinson put in place to ensure the Required Level of Service is Provided Day in Day Out and What Safety Net is being Provided to Deal with anything that goes Wrong?

You will recall Martin that recent failures were in fact covered by extraording action by the HomeCare Team, and now it no longer exists.

Furthermore, how is the Level of Service against these Contracts being monitored and by what criteria?

Again more questions than answers and this situation really worries me.

There are lots of high level discussions about whether the council should provide a safety net and whether letting a few needy people fall through the net might help others work harder to be independent. The argument about encouraging responsibility by creating consequence is pretty heartless when it's applied to the elderly.
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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 12, 2011, 10:07:12 AM
I hope you are not saying that people have to die before anything changes Drone?
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 12, 2011, 03:49:16 PM
Yes, I think people will die and blame for the deaths will, as usual, be passed onto the wrong people.

We can hear the beating black heart of compassionate Conservatism now.  It's getting closer and, instead of the familiar lump-lump, lump-lump sound of a human heart, this one sounds cold and mechanical - Mallin-Son, Mallin-Son.....

Conservative dogma insists that the existence of the welfare state creates a dependence upon it, therefore, if they shrink the welfare and/or severely restrict access to it, dependence upon it will drop accordingly.

This may well be true for a number of professional 'doley's' and 'lead swingers' but could prove catastrophic for those with profound and genuine need, most of whom who will have paid into the system via income tax and National Insurance contributions all their working lives.



"First they came for the sick, but I wasn't sick so I said nothing......"
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Post by: Drone on April 12, 2011, 05:14:02 PM
I hope you are not saying that people have to die before anything changes Drone?

Not quite, but the council policy makers are definitely moving away from the idea of council as safety net. The idea is the council encourages people to live independently - but it could be a brutal process for those with a high level of need, such as the elderly, the severly disabled.

I agree with you entirely, Mr Reid. And the 'Doley's' don't even have any paid work to go into...
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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 14, 2011, 01:03:41 PM
If I am wrong then I am , but according to a council FOI, the conservatives took overall majority of the council in May 2004, I was then paying £112 a month c tax, I am now paying £138.so you might guess the question is, just who was responsible for this 50% rise in c tax?.
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Post by: ph1lc on April 14, 2011, 01:15:19 PM
Thats a 23% rise compared to a 16% rise in the CPI
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Post by: Rochelle on April 14, 2011, 02:08:26 PM
Geoff,
I also agree with you entirely. I wonder how many of our policy makers have found dead bodies at the end of their roads? (I have, twice, deaths were people who should have been cared for but weren't)
Held someone's hand whilst they died following an accident, waiting for the overstretched ambulance service to arrive? (Me again)
Been in a job where extremely vulnerable people had their already difficult lives damaged even further by cuts in funding and heartless new rules (You guessed it...)
Do you think any of them knew two women who were murdered by their ex partners whilst their children were in the house?
How about lived next door to convicted murderers, paedophiles, victims of serial abuse?
I could go on...
Nothing beats actual experience, some of these people need to step outside of their comfort zones and swap theories for real life.
Safety nets don't make people dependent, they save lives. To remove them is immoral.
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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 14, 2011, 02:17:35 PM
Geoff,
I also agree with you entirely. I wonder how many of our policy makers have found dead bodies at the end of their roads? (I have, twice, deaths were people who should have been cared for but weren't)
Held someone's hand whilst they died following an accident, waiting for the overstretched ambulance service to arrive? (Me again)
Been in a job where extremely vulnerable people had their already difficult lives damaged even further by cuts in funding and heartless new rules (You guessed it...)
Do you think any of them knew two women who were murdered by their ex partners whilst their children were in the house?
How about lived next door to convicted murderers, paedophiles, victims of serial abuse?
I could go on...
Nothing beats actual experience, some of these people need to step outside of their comfort zones and swap theories for real life.
Safety nets don't make people dependent, they save lives. To remove them is immoral.

Well said Rochelle, but here in The Bramptons it is not likely to happen and if it did no one would notice, they are so wrapped up in their own lives.

When I was very ill with Pericarditis for some three months back in 2002 I had to fend for myself completely, no one (to quote that wonderful Swindon expression) was interested.

I have always said of my neighbours it would only be the smell that finally gulvanised them into action, after all it would affect the value of their properties.

Sorry feeling cynical bastard this afternoon, that said this Adult Care issue is very serious and must be watched very very carefully.

Still Peter Mallinson himself will not be interested after May 5th as he will no longer be a Councillor, assuming Labour get their vote out.  Only three weeks to go O0
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 14, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
 
Something I'm actually grateful to Swindons conservatives for is having been given the chance to get to know a few of them well enough to recognise that most of them will, (figuratively speaking), cross the road and pass on the other side rather than stop and help someone in need.  Morally they justify themselves by adopting a 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' approach, sticking their noses in the air and telling themselves that by ignoring individuals they actually care more about everybody else.

The, (admittedly quite few), labour members I'm getting to gradually know are very different in attitude and approach, which I could sum up as: 'Are you alright duck?, do you need help?' and ' the needs of the one are as important as the needs of the many'.

Eastcotts lib dems seems to weigh everything up and ask: 'What's in it for us?'


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Post by: Terry Reynolds on April 14, 2011, 07:48:23 PM
Rochelle, when that lad down in the south of the land, went out that day and killed his entire family, do you think anybody knew them or the abuse they suffered.
When Fred West was running around and killing young girls, do you think anybody knew them and what they went through.
when many of the serial killers of the past decade did their thing, did anybody know their victims.
Did you know my two friends, who died this last January and February, both in and out of the GWHospital, and the troubles they went through.
You may quote case after case, and who was responsible, but I bet you can also quote many things that should have been done that werent,
for example how many times did drivers report the signals on the railtrack out of London got blurred in the sunlight, and then of course we had the rail crash that killed many.
how many knew of the london bombers and the route thye took that day from Luton and did nothing about it and who knew their victims and what they went through.
when that brazilian as murdered on the tube by the police, who knew his family and what they went through, after the whitewash report.
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 14, 2011, 08:36:33 PM

Many examples of something, but what's your actual point?
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Post by: Geoff Reid on April 14, 2011, 10:05:29 PM
Yes, I think people will die and blame for the deaths will, as usual, be passed onto the wrong people.

We can hear the beating black heart of compassionate Conservatism now.  It's getting closer and, instead of the familiar lump-lump, lump-lump sound of a human heart, this one sounds cold and mechanical - Mallin-Son, Mallin-Son.....

Conservative dogma insists that the existence of the welfare state creates a dependence upon it, therefore, if they shrink the welfare and/or severely restrict access to it, dependence upon it will drop accordingly.

This may well be true for a number of professional 'doley's' and 'lead swingers' but could prove catastrophic for those with profound and genuine need, most of whom who will have paid into the system via income tax and National Insurance contributions all their working lives.



"First they came for the sick, but I wasn't sick so I said nothing......"


I see that Mr Cameron has today also linked welfare dependency with immigration.  :popcorn:
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Post by: Drone on April 15, 2011, 06:55:39 AM
If in doubt, do a speech on immigration.

Yes, it's an issue, but I thought we were fighting a war in Libya and 'listening' on the biggest changes to the NHS in decades? Can Cameron listen while talking about something completely different?
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Post by: Rochelle on April 15, 2011, 08:33:43 AM
Kohima,
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but I'll answer as best I can.
I was on the "at risk" register due to my family circumstances for most of my childhood until I reached adulthood.
My family combined criminality violence and severe mental illness.
This was in a time and place when such extremes were perhaps less prevalent and so I consider myself very fortunate to have been supported and protected.
As an adult, finding myself both personally and professionally in a world where others were not as fortunate as myself, I could, and can, see the stark difference.
And yes, Kohima, again, in my experience, someone does know something, whether they can or do attempt to do something is another matter.
Dealing with some of the most difficult areas of social care requires a complex set of interventions if there is to be any hope of a positive outcome.
I suppose some of us will think it's worth it, others will not.
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Post by: Ringer on April 16, 2011, 02:25:30 AM
How many staff actually got made redundant and redeployed  from the council in the end? Was it all 64 in the end?
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Post by: 20Eyes on April 16, 2011, 05:23:38 AM
Maybe Cameron's been reading this?  :-\

http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/briefingPaper/document/200 (http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/briefingPaper/document/200)
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Post by: Richard Symonds on April 16, 2011, 12:47:51 PM
The more I consider this subject the more I cannot believe that one penny was actually saved purely on this politically sponsored change in delivery of Adult Care.

In fact it could even result in greater expense being incurred, but then the accountants will ensure we never find that out.
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Post by: Geoff Reid on October 04, 2012, 07:41:33 PM

Bump.

Peter Mallinson has lurched out of the political graveyard again, seemingly intent on finishing off the elderly, infirm, vulnerable and residents of Croft standing for election in 2014, so it's worth keeping the public record of his previous political actions fresh in the public consciousness.
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Post by: Geoff Reid on October 04, 2012, 07:44:23 PM

Yes, I think people will die and blame for the deaths will, as usual, be passed onto the wrong people.

We can hear the beating black heart of compassionate Conservatism now.  It's getting closer and, instead of the familiar lump-lump, lump-lump sound of a human heart, this one sounds cold and mechanical - Mallin-Son, Mallin-Son.....

Conservative dogma insists that the existence of the welfare state creates a dependence upon it, therefore, if they shrink the welfare and/or severely restrict access to it, dependence upon it will drop accordingly.

This may well be true for a number of professional 'doley's' and 'lead swingers' but could prove catastrophic for those with profound and genuine need, most of whom who will have paid into the system via income tax and National Insurance contributions all their working lives.



"First they came for the sick, but I wasn't sick so I said nothing......"

Doubtless the above was denounced as 'vileness'....but that doesn't make it any less true in my opinion.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: I Could Do That on October 04, 2012, 08:31:49 PM
Intrigued to see this thread revived.

Not only does it bring back the memories of "Ollie's exploits", but recently he's apparently been on the Adver threads, briefly using his real name.

A failed attempt to give a respectable "non troll" ambience

I think it was the report of Rodders telling the Croft questioneers to be quiet.
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Richard Symonds on October 07, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
I have heard that the Adult Care Team have been reduced from two floors to one.  Can anyone corroborate this piece of information please?

Has anyone tried to contact 'Homeline' recently?  They do not answer their phones and appear to be permanently away from their office!!  It would appear the only way to get hold of them is to push the 'emergency button'.

Rod Bluh wrote to me on the questions I raised at Cabinet and at Council in June regarding the well being of a vulnerable ninety year old lady living on her own.

My question at Cabinet was 'Does the Leader agree with me that it is unacceptable for a vulnerable ninety year old living on her own to wait eighteen weeks, that is four and a half months, to get an assessment of her needs?.

and My question at Council was 'Does the Leader agree with me that it is wholly unacceptable for a vulnerable ninety year old lady to be interviewed about her care needs over the telephone?'

To which I received the following reply via the Conservative Party Political Assistant by email:-

RB.dcc.RS PQT

Dear Mr Symonds,

I have now investigated the case you raised in Public Questions at Cabinet on 11th June and Full Council on 20th June.   The evidence from the officers is that you misrepresented some of the key facts in a way that could cause distress among the vulnerable members of our community.

You alleged, first, that it takes 18 weeks for a person to be assessed.  This is incorrect.  You alleged, second, that the assessment  was undertaken by phone.  This was also incorrect.  The facts are as given to you by Paddy Bradley on 13th June. 

1)   We screen referrals and we undertake a desktop risk assessment to prioritise cases.  There is no blanket statement that all referrals will take 18 weeks. 

2)   Miss ******** requirements were screened by the social worker on duty on the day she rang.  The purpose of this screening is to identify whether an urgent assessment is required.  Miss ****** was assessed as not urgent.

3)   Miss ******  was advised that she could wait for up to 18 weeks for a care manager assessment, but if her circumstances change at any time then to ring back.

I look forward to your public acceptance of these facts.

You have highlighted a bigger challenge.  Adult Social Care now consumes over one third of the Council’s budget and that share is only going to increase.  As the number of people living over 75 and 85 is set to go up more than 60% in the next decade, there needs to be a mature debate about what care can the tax payer afford and what role should families, relatives and charities take on. 

There are no easy answers and I take very seriously the issue that people’s lives and not just quality of life are involved here.  I look forward to seeing your contributions about how to match the rising demand against limited money.

Yours sincerely,
 
Councillor Roderick Bluh
Leader of the council

Cc   Shaun Banks, committee services officer


PS It was the care team telephoning Miss ****** not the other way around!!
Title: Re: "With Mallinson a fore-thought" - Half-Truths Exposed As Domiciliary Care Team Faces Axe
Post by: Geoff Reid on January 18, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
 
Bump. See: http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,9979.msg103580.html#msg103580 (http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,9979.msg103580.html#msg103580)