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Offline Tobes

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Re: Free Our Schools
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2015, 07:04:00 PM »
To use Phil's analogy, a cancer is most dangerous when it grows unseen.

I'm all for Ifti posting here, as he serially fails to make a logical or morally defensible rationale for his desires - and his views are exposed as a mixture of irrational chauvinism and self-pitying hypocrisy.

I'd sooner know about his views and understand them as far as possible, simply to be sure that, having witnessed them being cross-examined, i can judge whether its right to repudiate them.

Would anyone care to list the other threads Ifti has 'contributed' to, so that anyone visiting can see how he addresses or answer his critics?

Good or bad ideas either thrive or shrivel under the light of public scrutiny.

One thing is for sure, this kind of freedom of discourse or expression is repressed under the laws and religious governance of the vast majority of Islamic states. I wonder if thats yet another irony lost on Ifti...?

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Re: Free Our Schools
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2015, 07:40:38 PM »
Ifti, Ifti, Ifti.

When you've been a parent as long as I've been a parent you realise that children need three bits to join for a decent education; Themselves, their teachers and... their parents.

It's a given that children learn to play nicely at school and they can only really learn that by mixing witha whole bunch of people ( a bit like life). So that's done.

if parent's have education desires not met by their child's school then that's where they, the parents, come in; table manners, dress sense, how to don a pashmina, social courtesy and.... religous beliefs and teachings.

All my Muslim friends send their children to their local state school and then to their Imam for extra teachings - that is not all - some Muslim friends send their children to a not very local fee paying school and... then to the Imam for extra teachings.
Hmmmm... juts like my Catholic friends except they employ the service of a priest.

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Re: Free Our Schools
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 11:04:22 PM »
Why are Muslim schools oversubscribed? Why is there a demand for them from so many Muslim parents? People who are against Muslim schools have to first of all answer these questions especially within the context of a choice-dominated public sector agenda. The anti-Muslim argument is that Muslim schools are a form of protectionism that harm community cohesion. This led to the rather absurd suggestion after the riots of 2001 that Muslim schools were the cause of the problem (most of the rioters were from local comprehensives). Well, protectionism is as much a part of Muslim schools as it is a part of Christian or Jewish schools. The Muslim case is that Muslim schools are necessary because Muslim children feel confidant within them and they grow up therefore as confident citizens ready to participate in society.
But back to the question of Muslim schools themselves. Those who advocate against Muslim schools still have to deal with the fear that Muslim parents have against some non-Muslim teachers. This is not unfounded. I have been shouted at, told to leave my parents (twice) and insulted whilst receiving my education. During the Rushdie affair, I was told that one non-Muslim from an educational establishment was overheard in a conversation saying: ‘Why can’t we just take these kids away from their parents?’ Quite. Anti-Muslim prejudice amongst teachers is well-known. This is why the recent suggestion by the National Union of Teachers to incorporate Muslim instruction into normal schooling hours is such a positive suggestion. If Muslims could get onto the school governing boards and acquire senior positions in school management (such that ownership is shared) then incorporating instruction (i.e. something resembling the madrassa) into normal schooling hours sounds like a fantastic idea. The madrassa model may need to be changed in order to do this, but it may help Muslim achievement in two ways. Firstly, Muslim identity becomes part of the norm (not separated off) and secondly the children will have more time to be children i.e. to play. Muslim schools at the most cater for a few hundred children but Muslim demographics mean that we need to provide educational solutions for the thousands. This suggestion by the NUT seems to offer a far more practical solution.

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Re: Free Our Schools
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2015, 11:10:18 PM »
Nice "Cut and Paste" Iftie! We know that your English grammar, or lack of, means that you did not write this.
What's it all about?

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Re: Free Our Schools
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2015, 10:25:01 AM »
Ifti, has the exposure of the 'governors' of the schools in Birmingham, told us what is going on at these so called schools, or should we call them the new brain wash facility.. :wakeup:
and can you just reply and speak to us and not in the quotes you are using....