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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2014, 04:04:46 PM »
Tobes, our ward has been extended into Upper Stratton, until very recently Upper Stratton councillors were not really required to know that much about Penhill.  About as much as any other councillor in Swindon.

Therefore, if the people of Penhill had someone from Penhill to vote for they probably would have, working on your own declared principle that you feel that people who represent your ward should live there. As it happens, two Lib Dems that lived on the estate, did manage to swing the vote at two different elections.   

The fact that Upper Stratton was also a Labour area means that their higher turnout would have probably have over ridden the Penhill vote anyway.

Also the alternative people/parties standing, were not from Penhill.  Cllr Baker is a Penhill lad, lives locally in the heart of the estate surrounded by his extended family and his wife's extended family. He is well known at the local shops and pub.  He was  voted in, I take,  it because he lives here and those around his age group know him well, most of them went to school with him.   Sounds like heaven doesn't it.

The lack of interest in politics and voting is reflected in those willing to stand for service.

Our Upper Stratton councillors regularly come to our meetings and get stuck in on local issues.

I have said many times, I am happy to work with any councillor (well not any,  but you get my drift) chosen by the people of Penhill.  I do not need them to come from here, but I do need them to know what they are doing and willing to learn.

 
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2014, 08:33:21 PM »
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I do not need them to come from here, but I do need them to know what they are doing and willing to learn.

Well, perhaps the question you need to ask yourself is whether one out of three really cuts it...

There's a chance you could achieve all you can expect locally by getting on with it yourself (you normally do!) - if they're simply politard candidates, parachuted in to a ward they clearly know bugger all about and elected on the basis of national issues, whats the actual point of helping them by giving them false credibility? Its their job to help you! A councillors powers are pretty limited to begin with - I think you risk lending them a false legitimacy if through your efforts, you're papering over their ignorance and giving everyone the impression they know and do more than they are.

Of course there'll be a learning curve, but if they really don't know about Penhill, what did they actually campaign about?!  :santa_shocked:

... and if the electorate of Penhill see fit to elect an ignorami, perhaps they ought to be left to experience the reality which their unthinking vote delivered them...?  :-\

I know that sounds harsh, but councillors need to be judged upon what they do (or not) - not the actions of local activists, surely?

Perhaps its early days to judge these individuals, but it reiterates and reinforces my belief that candidates ought to come from their wards - and if they don't, they really really need to have more than just a passing acquaintance with the place they CLAIM to be able to represent...
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2014, 10:40:26 PM »
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As it happens two of our councillors don't come from Penhill, did not grow up here, so it is a big learning curve for them.

... which is an indication that people voted for the colour of the rosette first and foremost, eh?  :santa_cry:

Not being from Penhill or living there would be excusable if they knew something about the ward... but if there's a 'big learning curve' on top of that to even find out, one can only wonder what real value to local people that they're currently providing...?

This is an interesting point as there are many Councillors who commute. 

That said Shaw is represented entirely by Councillors who have actually lived in the ward for some time, not that seems to increase their activity level.   :santa_sad:
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2014, 10:45:44 PM »
As the subject of this thread is Meetings is anyone going to Scrutiny tomorrow night?
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2014, 08:23:15 AM »
Tobes: Well, perhaps the question you need to ask yourself is whether one out of three really cuts it...



No course it doesn't Tobes, and on top of that, when Penhill was in Whitworth Ward it had only approx. 200 off Penhill voters (around the Cross Roads) we had three Councillors all to ourselves then. Albeit one of them always seemed to be a high flyer and more absorbed with Swindon wide issues, but was always on hand to support the other two, whoever they were at the time, they were always active.  We haven't only got one active cllr, as I said the other two have also spread their wings into Penhill. It would be absolutely unfair for anyone to say they haven't. We have to be fair to Teresa in her Mayoral year.


There's a chance you could achieve all you can expect locally by getting on with it yourself (you normally do!) - if they're simply politard candidates, parachuted in to a ward they clearly know bugger all about and elected on the basis of national issues, whats the actual point of helping them by giving them false credibility? Its their job to help you! A councillors powers are pretty limited to begin with - I think you risk lending them a false legitimacy if through your efforts, you're papering over their ignorance and giving everyone the impression they know and do more than they are.

I didn't say they knew nothing, of course any idiot could know more, so long as they could read, could get hold of the figures for the estate, though ours would be a bit more complex than some.  All of them seemed to know their way around geographically*. It's getting to know the complexity of any one community/neighbourhood/ward that would take the time and here we have up front ideas, put onto paper and consulted about, not every community would have that. In fact as far as I can tell Penhill has that, Upper Stratton doesn't, but of course, 2 of them live there.

*would be sad for Joe if he didn't, seeing as how he was a fireman when he was first elected.

Of course there'll be a learning curve, but if they really don't know about Penhill, what did they actually campaign about?!  :santa_shocked:


If I remember rightly they campaigned on wider Swindon/national issues, and of course Labour policies. How often have we grumbled on TS about most of the electorate not understanding the difference?

and if the electorate of Penhill see fit to elect an ignorami, perhaps they ought to be left to experience the reality which their unthinking vote delivered them...?  :-\


At what point did I say they were 'ignorami'?  Surely everyone has something to learn, the processes of SBC alone must be something to take on when first a councillor.  I'd be really interested if you and Richard make it, to know what training is offered and what you take up and the quality of it.  I think anyone from the 'intelligentsia' standing for Council up here, would be up to no good. i.e. standing for the usual winning party in a safe seat, for purposes other than serving the ward.

I know that sounds harsh, but councillors need to be judged upon what they do (or not) - not the actions of local activists, surely?


I have not said that our councillors are not doing anything, or anything wrong, this discussion was started on them being less vocal than others at council, not that they were doing nothing at all.  I take it there is no proof that they are not LISTENING when in the council chamber.  The local activists call upon our councillors when we need action we cannot do ourselves, seek their support for projects that need land, buildings, road closures, licences, cash, (there is some in the Localities budget) and well as the usual issues. So when you see the 'activist' shoulder to shoulder in some newspaper photo, it is to give mutual credit not political support.
And it's work of art to keep the two distinct - which we have to, to keep from being accused of using our charity status for political gain. 

Perhaps it's early days to judge these individuals, but it reiterates and reinforces my belief that candidates ought to come from their wards - and if they don't, they really really need to have more than just a passing acquaintance with the place they CLAIM to be able to represent...

I still disagree,  although it would be preferable for them to be residents and indeed all of our present councillors  ARE resident in the ward (just not my bit of it).  Usually our councillors have not been resident, Apart from Paul, I think the last resident Cllr was Andy Harrison (Lib Dem), before him, Margaret Rutson and Les Gowing. David Glaholm was not resident but had grown up here, and it felt like he lived here at the time. Others who served us just as well, like Sue Owen  and Ray Smith came from Upper Stratton, even then, Ray had lived on the estate some years before and his family were here. 

Richard, Terry, would you let me know anytime if there is a subject upon which you think our councillors should be vocal but are not. I take it the parties have spokesmen (higher up the party ranks) for their hot topics?

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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2014, 11:32:38 AM »
I contacted two of our labour councillors here in stratton, by email, about the parking issues in chapel street and also the problem with the locks on the allotment gates, they never even had the decency to reply let alone do something about the problems..
going to the scrutiny meeting tonight, will be interesting to see if the labour con., misses the third one in a row..

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2014, 03:01:10 PM »
One hopes Terry, that the other Labour councillors are taking notes of who misses too many meetings.
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2014, 11:11:12 PM »
Do not make fun of the Polling station issue, it was no joke!

In what way is this making fun out of the polling station issue or for that matter Penhill M?

We never hear Penhill mentioned apart from the siting of the all important Polling Stations!! :santa_rolleyes:

Methinks either you don't understand what I have written or that your are creating mischief for the sake of it M!!

As Terry or anyone else who attends Council will bear witness Penhill is NEVER mentioned.

I hope your representatives aren't just there to make up the numbers?  :santa_rolleyes:
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2014, 09:09:04 AM »
There was me, thinking you had relaxed and had a little jest Richard, I jested back! Forget the issue of the Penhill polling stations, it is of no consequence to anyone but those of us who live here and try to vote here. There are a lot more important things for you to be concentrating on at present.

Incidentally, how did you hear about that, if Penhill is never mentioned Richard?

Because I am so busy here, (it's the first time since the estate was built we haven't got some sort of community worker to help us) and at present the political parties are off my radar. whilst I'm disappointed that our Councillors aren't more vocal,  I expect the hierarchy of the Labour party to keep their own house in order. 

Like you say, when we need to, we roll up our own sleeves and get on with the job, long gone are the days when we could go knocking on the Civic doors for much support. 

If the issue becomes a big one, then we know where to go, we don't waster their time with the little things. We find THEY are knocking on OUR door more often than not these days.  I think they are finding they have lost  people with the skills they needed to carry out some of the things they are required to do.

You could be the first person to accuse me of mischief making, Richard. 
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2015, 06:34:42 PM »
went to the cabinet meeting last night, and discovered the following:
the cemetry in whitworth road is to be handed over to the haydon wick parich council, what you might call pass the buck, it needs a load of repairs and I doubt if the parish will be able to afford it.
Thamesdown buses are on the verge of being sold off, we were told it is now more or less not a viable operation so they are looking at their options .
and yes the debt still goes on..

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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2015, 09:31:29 AM »
No Terry, the Parish Boundary is also taking in the Nature Reserve.   I believe the Parish has not been forced to accept either. 

We might even get a bit better service. 
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2015, 10:05:09 AM »
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We might even get a bit better service.

I hope that you are not talking about a better service at the cemetery Mugs? :laugh:
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2015, 10:09:35 AM »
As I have said many times, that cemetgry needs thousands of pounds worth of new pipes for drainage, the parish will not be able to afford that. I wonder hwat their grass keeping is like also..

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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2015, 03:11:04 PM »
It doesn't need thousands right now and frankly they can't do anything much about the amount of water flowing under that field.   

The Parish Council will have discussed this Terry, they know what they can and can't afford, but it means the Borough won't be calling up maintenance etc. They will. 

I know that they and Blunsdon Parish are taking over all the Play areas in the Northern Development too. Except one! 

Better Service? Perhaps I should have said better maintenance!   

To be honest I think I ought to ask to meet them to see what they are going to do. They take over in May.

 
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2015, 06:22:10 PM »
If you do manage to arrange a meeting, can I come along as well please...

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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2015, 06:57:14 PM »

Is this a back-door and stealthy way of raising council tax via the Parish precept?   Was any mention made of increasing the precept for Haydon Wick Terry?

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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2015, 09:23:23 PM »
It wasnt even mentioned during the cabinet meeting it came up afterwards, that debt of nearlly 300 million is rolling along, and then watch you council tax, let alone the precept rise.......

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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2015, 12:40:58 AM »

Is this a back-door and stealthy way of raising council tax via the Parish precept?   Was any mention made of increasing the precept for Haydon Wick Terry?

We're in Haydon Wick. I think the council tax including the parish precept were frozen. Only the police bit rose.

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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2015, 09:06:02 AM »
I think it just SBC divesting itself of as much as it can, one assumes that the Council will make a contribution to the work needed but the Parish will organise it.   

Even then SBC still undertakes some work in the Parish areas, so it must be all according to what agreements are made in the first place. 

Terry, there is every likelihood that I will be attending Parish Meetings over the summer months, and I'm fairly sure anyone can attend and ask questions, much the same as the Borough meetings.  When I go I will be a representative and my interest will be focused particularly on one subject, although no doubt I will get drawn in to others - like you do!

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« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2015, 09:53:50 PM »
Mugs, just trying to keep up with events... perhaps you will ask how they feel about the new leaseholder of the centre in haydon wick chucking out the child group for a new gym, which  in any bodies view is just for profits..