Author Topic: Car Parking..  (Read 1420 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Terry Reynolds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2724
  • Gender: Male
  • `13 years of lies lies, sleaze porn 10p fiascos, m
Car Parking..
« on: October 08, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »
For about 6 weeks now, I have been having a running battle with the people who go to 'prayers' in Chapel Street and in doing so , park both sides of the road on the double yellow lines.
 When this happens, it causes traffic flow problems as the road is then down to a one way system, however, not a lot could be done as the police when asked to do something, said it was a council matter and nothing to do with them.
Also, because the yellow lines were so old, they were classified as 'broken', and so enforcement was not possible.
In the past two days, the council have been out, and put a new one line yellow strip on the side, by the community centre, and on the other side, now, nothing, so if you break the law enough times you will get your way, and this council once again shows it has no back bone..
I did also email the two local councillors and asked them to do something, but they never even replied, let alone do something..



Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 01:39:44 PM »
Quote
I did also email the two local councillors and asked them to do something, but they never even replied, let alone do something..

Name and shame Terry!

I know councillors have lots to do, and its not possible to please all of the people all of the time, but you would have thought/hoped that between the two of them that they might have been able to at least acknowledge your concern...?!
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 01:49:31 PM »
Out of interest, given that this also overlaps other areas and issues of interest across the wards, what enforcement actually happens on a Sunday?

Afterall, the police handed over responsibility to the council years back. But the council, unlike the police, only seem have a motivation to enforce traffic regulations when it allows them to make money/fund the expanded fiefdom of the traffic department.

Maybe Sunday overtime rates mean that its not worth bothering with?

Afterall, the car parks are free or nominally priced on a Sunday, the residents zones have no restrictions... I'd be very interested to see how many wardens are actually on patrol - and if any are on duty, what they're actually up to on a Sunday.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 08:32:40 PM »
Out of interest, given that this also overlaps other areas and issues of interest across the wards, what enforcement actually happens on a Sunday?

Afterall, the police handed over responsibility to the council years back. But the council, unlike the police, only seem have a motivation to enforce traffic regulations when it allows them to make money/fund the expanded fiefdom of the traffic department.

Maybe Sunday overtime rates mean that its not worth bothering with?

I got a parking ticket in the Prospect Place car park on a Sunday. It is worth paying staff if they are bringing in revenue. Not sure if they get overtime anymore though. Wasn't there industrial action by leisure staff over changes to working hours and shifts.

Quote
Afterall, the car parks are free or nominally priced on a Sunday, the residents zones have no restrictions... I'd be very interested to see how many wardens are actually on patrol - and if any are on duty, what they're actually up to on a Sunday.

I don't think they are nominally priced on Sundays anymore. That's how I got caught. Paid £2 on a Sunday which was the old rate for over 2 hours. Stayed 2 hours 20 minutes and got a £30 fine. Discounted Sunday rates no longer apply.

Offline Terry Reynolds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2724
  • Gender: Male
  • `13 years of lies lies, sleaze porn 10p fiascos, m
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2014, 10:27:59 PM »
This parking, takes place on a friday at about 13.10 pm......

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 12:24:29 AM »
Tsk tsk, then there's no need to be a naughty boy tel, if its a Friday you're talking about, then its a mosque you're referring to, not a 'church', eh?  :wink:

Mind you, here's where I'm totally with you: no excuse not to enforce parking properly and as they would if ANY other group was flouting the rules.

Being an observant muslim is no excuse to park illegally.

Give your local councillors a proper poke - ask why they haven't responded in the chamber.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Terry Reynolds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2724
  • Gender: Male
  • `13 years of lies lies, sleaze porn 10p fiascos, m
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 09:44:58 AM »
At the council meeting, the new ward councillor for Gorsehill put up a motion that the PCSOs be given more powers to get women who are taking their children to school in cars to move on and not cause parking issues. I tried to state that the police will have no truck with this issue and just say its the councils job, but they wouldn't let me speak again, meanwhile she does nothing about people, parking on double yellow lines, I think it is a vote issue agenda  at the root of the problem..

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 10:21:13 AM »
This situation is the fundamental Achilles Heel of de-regulated traffic enforcement.... Who gets targeted when, where and why has become politicised.

The law in my view should be blind to the profile and demographic of the offender.... but to a ward councillor who knows that lobbying for proper enforcement from SBC marmosets would lose them votes, temptations to turn a Nelsonian eye must exist.

Add a dose of political correctness and the situation is likely to be even worse...

 :-\
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Alligator

  • Twitter - @Alliflowchart
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1846
  • Gender: Male
Re: Car Parking..
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 09:47:02 AM »
We've recently been encountering a similar type of parking issue in my area and I have to say that SBC have shown some great interest and action in recent months, however the ongoing enforcement of the double yellow lines is still not evident.  I would add that this all came as part of a wider review of parking issues around the County Ground, with the majority of the concern coming from the residents of the new housing developments in the area where planning is given to build on postage stamp sized plots with little regard for parking. 

While I didn't have much sympathy for the issue as it would have been known when the resident's purchased the houses, the result was a series of complaints by residents when football fans wishing to drive but to tight to pay to park, would park on any available space.  SBC's response to this, following a survey and fairly thorough attempt at a consultation, was to install residents parking on match and event days on those roads.    This is a different scheme to the more traditional resident parking schemes elsewhere as permits last for 3 years at a cost, I believe, of £10.  However I don't know what provision has been made for visitors permits.

The residents of my road opted not to have any changes, but we did raise concerns about parking on the double yellow lines during football games and events at the County Ground.  Where I think this and Terry's issue differs is the response from the council.  We have had the double yellow lines re-painted and therefore made enforceable (they may have been enforceable already, but they were slightly faded so the new lines removes any ambiguity in my view).

Now the challenge is to see if SBC will enforce them regularly.  Bob Wright and a lady from SBC have been great in getting us this far, but we are now waiting to see if Bob has been able to get any answers from SBC as to whether they will enforce the yellow lines, particularly during matches and other events at the County Ground.   :popcorn: