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« on: January 23, 2014, 08:58:06 PM »
I went, the other week to the west swindon forum, and the meeting was told that there were problems in cleaning the streets and drains caused by the recent flooding, due to the fact in the main, that the council only has one road sweeper and one drain, gulley, cleaner.
So tonight, I went to the full council meeting, and asked what the council was going to do about that fact, were they happy only having those two vehicles for a town this size and were there provisions in the next budget to obtain more vehicles.
The lead member for the services, stood up and said he had no idea how many they had , but would look into it and let me know, so is it right to assume that not knowing what they have or don't have, will result in no extra purchases this year at least. :2funny:



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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 09:10:01 PM »
I thought your question on the mayor was very interesting! Well worth asking...

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2014, 09:27:30 PM »
didn't get a reply though, will reply by letter............
I bet it was him who shut that door................. :2funny:

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 10:57:21 AM »
I and others, went to the full council meeting this week, the lead member for waste etc, was again shown not up to the job, he didn't even know if the council has one road sweeper or more or if they plan to buy more, but a new crunch for him, was an answer he gave to Brian.
The question was about the new fortnightly collections and what would happen if households couldn't manage with the current boxes held and if not, would they have to pay for extra boxes. The reply given by the lead member was that the extra boxes would be provided, but on a restricted basis, and would be free.
If you then read the council draft budget for 2014\15, which was given out on the night, on page 39, it clearly states that if households cannot manage, they will have the opportunity to purchase extra boxes, is this man fit for purpose or what..... :2funny:

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 12:48:43 PM »
It was stated quite clearly at the West Swindon Forum that the Borough owns only one Road Sweeper and just one Drain Cleaning Lorry.

The question asked at Council was

At the West Swindon Forum, at which you were present, we were told that the Borough owned just one Street Sweeper and just one Drain Cleaner.  Do you agree with me that this is woefully inadequate for a town the size of Swindon with a population of 210,000?    In view of the floods which have recently plagued the borough what provision is there in next year’s budget to purchase more equipment to deal with this situation?


I hope Terry Reynolds, who asked the question, will share the written reply with us.

The verbal reply was interesting as the Lead Member did not know if and how many vehicles we own?  Is he on top of his brief or is he is in total reliance on his officers for 'information' relating to it?

It remains to be seen whether or not the Green Waste changes actually cost the Council more money than could be claimed in terms of savings?   Either way I am sure the figures will be presented in such a way to indicate 'substantial' savings!!
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 03:07:29 PM »
You have to feel sorry for the road sweeper don't you? Is he on 24 hour shifts?

Think of all the tosh we have heard about ensuring that services are 'sustainable' given the current financial circumstances. What this shows, of course, is that the unprecedented level of cuts means that services will inevitably be unsustainable. It's reached the stage where the Council does not have sufficient resources to carry out its legal responsibilities in regard to the services that it has a statutory obligation to provide.

Even the Tory leader of the LGA has said that this scale of cuts is unsustainable. David Renard recently showed his irritation with Mr Pickles over the refuse collection issue. But if they wanted to represent the interests of local people they would start challenging what the government is doing. They cannot sustain services on a ration of gruel.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 03:16:48 PM »
Oh, I'd expect the ilk would argue that they would provide statutory services by buying in contractors services as required.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 06:10:23 PM »
I have just returned from Cavandish Square which as Martin Wickes will bear witness is fast becoming more and more of tip every day and with added water features to boot.

The drains on the back road must be blocked as there is a nice lake to match the one outside the Library and the Co-op but he ho it is privately owned and so it is nothing to do with the Council.  Another example of strategic privatization for which the proof is in the eating, sadly and for which the Council can deny responsibility!! Don't walk too near it or passing cars will give you an unexpected bath!!

It makes me wonder how we can justify fifty seven Councillors on a rapidly reducing responsibility?  Maybe we should fire the lot, make the Chief Executive do his job and save a fortune, after all everything is up for sale or out to Tender!!

Now that should fire you all up on a miserable wet January evening.

I understand you have had a go at this Martin so could you please share your experiences with us?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 06:45:58 PM »
It makes me wonder how we can justify fifty seven Councillors on a rapidly reducing responsibility?

Ahhh, but I am sure that will claim that they are making increasingly tough decisions and are due a pay rise.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 08:29:36 PM »
It makes me wonder how we can justify fifty seven Councillors on a rapidly reducing responsibility?

Ahhh, but I am sure that will claim that they are making increasingly tough decisions and are due a pay rise.

Ah spunky they can say what they want, but do they still offer value for money and furthermore are they fit for purpose?

and to think I want to join their number   :santa_cheesy:

Just to change the status quo, of course!!
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 09:57:05 PM »
I sent in a FOI to ask how much the steel fence and scaffolding around the MI cost, after the reg 20 days, they have come back and said it is costing around £217, a month, to secure and check the fence and the scaffolding, but they havent said about the actual costs, new FOI now gone in..

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 07:23:59 PM »
Yes Richard it's bloody frustrating trying to deal with the owners. Leehampton sold off some of the shops and the actual square to 'the local shopping reit', a company with about 600 sites. We have to deal with their agent in Bristol. The reit (Real Estate Investment Trust) has a question mark over its future. You can read its annual report at http://www.localshoppingreit.co.uk . Your starter for ten, for anybody with the time to have a look, is does this company have a future?

To look at the history of the project and the Council's cock-up see http://martinwicks.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/cavendish-square-a-failed-regeneration/.

Leehampton, the developer, is apparently selling the old Coop site to another company, G&D Estates. You can see the documents associated with the application below.

http://pa.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MX9XRRPT04V00

The application has been put in by G&D Estates, though, as I understand it the sale has not taken place yet.

The original plan was for a roof and gates on the shopping centre, so Leehampton put down paving stones on sand, with no drainage. That's why it is prone to flooding.

I'll report some more on the situation later on.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 09:35:55 PM »
I don't know if anybody else read the sunday express yesterday, and if so, did you read the article about green waste?
It is rather long, so I wont print it all but the subject is those councils charging £35 for green waste collection, towns like Birmingham south Gloucester, ealing council, Sheffield, Monmouthshire, derby, pendle among others who are charging the £35. It made no mention of our £40 charge.
 Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has condemned the charge and called for them and fortnightly bin collections to be scrapped.
the MP for Kingswood, Bristol has got a petition up to stop the charges and said it is nothing but a stealth tax. and he is a conservative MP..
So, again, over to our Councillors who may read this blog and let us know what you intend to do, or are you going to ignore Mr Pickles? :bash:

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2014, 07:58:36 AM »
So what services does porky pickles suggest are cut to pay for weekly waste collections without an increase in council tax?

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2014, 08:34:54 AM »
Well said Gorgon.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2014, 10:28:49 AM »
If you have the read the latest blogs about the Oasis, then youll know savings can be made !!. and we can go back to the normal collections we had for years without any increases, (apart from when labour went daft).....
no comment to those on the bandwagon....

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2014, 10:30:38 PM »
Kohima surprised you missed this one however at full council I did raise the point you suggest on green waste charges and I got a written legal reply that the Conservatives were able to decouple green waste and charge. I particularly referred to Mr Pickles departments views.

Guess Mr Pickles thinks it ok for Swindon's Conservative Administration to make a charge. This is not a view that seems to be shared by many residents I meet.

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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2014, 08:48:16 PM »
Bob, Ill now try to get a message To Mr Pickles and see what he has to say..

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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2014, 03:54:28 PM »
New subject, still scs or sbc, my friend, who lives in W Swindon, went away last thursday for a stay in Cornwall, and came back sunday night, while she was away her upstairs toilet broke and so it started to overflow outside the house, I, and others tried to get something done, but the council wasn't having any of it, Pat came back on Sunday night and rang and was told the plumber would come yesterday afternoon. to fix the problem.
 So she stayed in to see him, he arrived, and then told her he had a bad back, so he couldn't go up the ladder, so she now has to wait unfil Friday, until they can get another plumber, who is not sick.. and the water is still running outside.....
Mr Hurley, please note....

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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »
Why would this guy needed to have gone up a ladder Koh?
What's it all about?

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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2014, 07:39:05 PM »
The removal of the green waste collection is causing chaos at the tip.

This morning traffic was queuing along Darby Close and spilling over the roundabout blocking the road through the industrial estate. I was trying to get to work, but was stuck in the queue without wanting go anywhere near the tip.

A friend who works for the council, had a meeting at Waterside Park yesterday and had the same problem. He had to queue to get in to the offices.

I wonder how much council staff time has been wasted in this way and how much additional exhaust emissions have been created by this misguided policy.

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2014, 08:58:05 PM »
that's a bit of a technical question for a man like me, I mean the actual toilet cistern is inside the house etc !!. :2funny:

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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2014, 09:26:09 PM »
The queue went further and was interfering with traffic travelling through the estate. Went twice and then gave up.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2014, 10:20:03 PM »
Are you sure its the tip that's the problem or constant road works in that area, pushing traffic through. The trading estate?

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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2014, 10:28:49 PM »
Definitely the tip. Queuing from Waterside to the roundabout and beyond.

I felt like we have been hit twice. We bought a green wheelie bin so we are now paying for a service that was once free and are also affected by increased traffic congestion.

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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 08:22:53 AM »
The problem is not helped by the fact that the additional 'queuing lanes' within the compound are now filled with some sort of fuel bales associated with the new incinerator, which has removed space for probably 40-50 cars that are now forced to queue back out into the main road. I don't know whether this is a temporary situation while they sort out the new facility operating processes or destined to be a permanent 'feature.' A bit of shortsightedness on the part of some 'planner' though.

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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 10:03:49 AM »
Green Waste - the eternal problem that is now manifesting itself all over Shaw in uncollected Green Bags, with little yellow Council labels on them.  The question whose bags are they?  Will they have to police it to find out?

Lead Member Hurley says these arrangements will save £800,000, but will it cost in consequence cost £2m in unintended consequences?

If anyone had attended the meetings at which I was present Lead Member Hurley has absolutely no idea of what could be the consequence of his decision and did not seem to know much about his portfolio either, having to consult with his officers on every detail.  Musical chairs is a fair description of what resembled what some would describe as theatrical farce.

This is a disaster waiting to happen and as for the 'Consultation', if you had been present you would never bother with one ever again because the results were not, in my opinion, even considered!
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2014, 03:20:15 PM »
Came though the trading estate and passed the road that leads to Waterside park at 11.55am, No Queue! No traffic old-ups anywhere as it happens.
 
Have to say that the trading estate looked pretty lively too, apart form the old Square D factory (derelict) and Nu Life tools (tired).
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2015, 10:11:08 AM »
went to the saltway centre on Wednesday with my daughter, on the way, going down Cartwright drive, nearly ran off the road, there in all its glory was a mini road sweeper, cleaning the pathways, didnt have a camera to hand to take a picture, but its in my mind, never see them around stratton or the road ones, the drains in meadowcroft are still blocked months later, but nothing done,, must go, going to see if I can get a barrow load of rocking horse manure....(wont even comment on response from local councillors).. :bash: