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Offline Des Morgan

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2014, 08:44:34 AM »
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Where FS has been involved with something good recently was with the Corn Exchange plans. This was a year long team work between FS/the developer/investors and regular input from the community. As an agent for SBC, FS showed in this instance a patience and a level of receptive participation that it may have been hard for a council department to offer

It was only seven years ago that Cllr Foley proclaimed "we have managed to secure a vibrant new beginning for a (sic) historic building which is in desperate need of restoration"

Cllr Bluh claimed "Members of the council, both officers and councillors, literally burnt the midnight oil in order to secure redevelopment of the locarno in Old Town to act as a new registry office as well as a commercial cafe and restaurant"

No requirement for FS then ?

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »
Labour to take it in house which is a bit of a worry.

What are you worried about Matt?

Up until the breakaway from Wiltshire there was a very pro-active Economic Development Team based at County Hall and they were deeply involved in business at all levels here in Swindon and as I have said elsewhere there were very few industrial units available in the early 1990's.  I don't know what happened to it but there was a very active Women in Business group very ably lead politically by the late Councillor Doreen Dart.

We do or we can run these things 'in house' but as with everything else it is only as good as the people leading it. Employ the right people and the results will come and without a profit margin it should be less expensive than with it being outsourced completely.

Does the Economic Development Team still exist in Trowbridge and if it does how about some inter authority sharing of resources?

Meanwhile, as Garry Perkins told us at Council recently that Swindon is leading the country out of recession so there it is nothing more to worry about except what will it cost!!   :D
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 09:27:38 AM »
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The next stage of development will be the demolition of the Wyvern Theatre car park and the bus station car park which is due to take place later this year.

What is interesting about the Kimmerfields development and this statement, is that all the development todate has been council tax payer funded - the abominable Whale Bridge roundabout and roadworks, the Car park (a £15m investment which Cllr Pekins assures us will make a positive return aka Wi-Fi) and some senior citizens flats.

There doesn't appear to be much 'private investment' going on

The next stage, the demolition of the Wyvern Car Park is totally uneccessary at this time.  There are no firm plans for anything to replace it. Once demolished what will we have - another scar awaiting a 'temporary' cover of grass?

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2014, 11:39:14 AM »
Sort of saying, we replace the doors of our house, taking them off in the middle of winter without the money to replace them?

Yes, very wise.   :santa_rolleyes:
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2014, 01:37:04 PM »
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There are no firm plans for anything to replace it.

I should have added 'any time soon' to the above

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2014, 04:44:35 PM »


The wyvern st car park is the site for the new muesum and art Gallery .it was passed at the last council meeting I believe.Lottery funding is being sought and private investors have agreed to help,Robert Hiscox being one of them.

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2014, 05:19:44 PM »
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The Wyvern st car park is the site for the new museum and art Gallery .it was passed at the last council meeting I believe.Lottery funding is being sought and private investors have agreed to help,Robert Hiscox being one of them.

So, complete pie-in-the-sky then.

'Lottery funding is being sought' - ie. we don't have any secured funding.

That means the Wyvern Street Car Park IS NOT 'the site of the new museum and art gallery'.

Its just the site of another soon to be reneged on suggestion that it *might* be something for the community - but only if Mars aligns with Saturn during a blue moon and pig-flying season.

I wish there was an icon for wishful thinking. There's a lot of it about at the moment...
 
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2014, 06:15:19 PM »
How much to you reckon that would cost then?  I've just Googled 'Lottery funding for art galleries and museums"  and even though some are getting funding for that, the largest amount - for a large museum - is only getting £2m, the rest seem to be less than half a million.

When it was suggested that a Museum and art galley be placed there, porticoed by the Tabernacle stones, we thought that some of the profit from the development surrounding it would pay for it. 

Ok so they might get half and half, but I bet a trust will have to be set up to apply for the lottery bit.

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2014, 06:40:49 PM »
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I bet a trust will have to be set up to apply for the lottery bit.


Absolutely Muggs - and whats the betting that absolutely fek all has been done to make that happen? Meanwhile we see the media reports of the mutual back-slapping in the chamber, but the prospect of any actual building will be years from the granting of the money (if ever) which will in turn be years from the application, which will in turn be years from the formation of the trust... What do we reckon? Best case scenario ten years from now?

Whats the betting that in the meantime, someone somewhere will find a more urgent commercial use for the site once people have got fed up looking at another empty building plot...?

If Forward Swindon on the other hand have already helped initiate a trust bu opening talks with likely candidates in anticipation of an application, then I am prepared to be impressed.

Robert Hiscox looks like the kind of gentleman to get things moving... I wonder how public and committed his interest is?

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/27/robert-hiscox-bow-out-insurer
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2014, 06:56:06 PM »
I dare say that as they are looking for people to form a trust to take over all the arts and museums, it will come under that, but it takes time to do that properly and look for the 'fit and proper' people to take it on.

Not only that it would probably clash with applications for other stuff that need funding in Swindon.  Any umberella Arts and Museum trust would have it's work cut out prioritising what to apply for first. 

Like you say, meantime, no car park, so no income etc. etc. 

And if they don't get in next election some other group of people will get it in the neck for not producing it. Some to think of it, if they don't get it, will they take a personal interest in seeing it move forward, or drop it like an hot potato? 
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2014, 07:04:49 PM »
des when you say that the flats at kimmerfield are council tax payed you could be incorrect as the flats are owned by a housing association (green square) but yes the council manage them for 5years

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2014, 08:16:10 AM »
Found this: Help as HA's are not particularly private firms, but 'trusts' set up to build and manage social housing, I dare say tax payers are paying, if not rate payers. Some of them set themselves up as 'not for profit companies, and whilst no doubt you've followed their plot a lot closer than I, I bet that development is  boosted from somewhere other than just their own profits - and there it is in bold below. 

Kimmerfields, Union Square, Swindon

The development comprises 45 assisted living apartments

Start on site date: March 2012
Completion date: October 2013

Project manager: Francis Geary
Contact phone: 01793 602833
Contact e-mail: francis.geary@greensquaregroup.com

Contractor: John Sisk & Son Ltd

Local authority: Wiltshire

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Muse Developments has appointed construction company John Sisk & Son Ltd to start work on the first phase of its multi-million pound regeneration scheme in the heart of Swindon Town Centre.

The first phase, which will be sited on vacant land between Princes Street and Islington Street, includes one residential building comprising 45 assisted living apartments and a high-quality 850 space multi-storey car park.

GreenSquare is funding the residential element of this phase of the scheme with private finance and grant from the HCA and Swindon Borough Council (SBC). GreenSquare will own the new homes, which will be managed by SBC, initially for five years. The car park will be managed by Swindon Borough Council when complete.
Doug Finlay, development director at Muse, said: “The appointment of John Sisk & Son to this initial phase of development marks an important milestone in delivering this visionary scheme that will change the face of Swindon Town centre and bring further investment into the town.”

Work on phase one is expected to start on site later this month.

“GreenSquare is delighted to be involved in the regeneration of Swindon's town centreand the selection of a contractor is a key milestone,” said Jo Curson, Head of Development at GreenSquare. “The GreenSquare project team has worked closely with Muse and the Homes and Communities Agency over a long period of time to make this project a realityand it is fantastic to finally be on site.”

When complete, the £250 million wider regeneration scheme will deliver 450 stylish new homes; 600,000 sq ft of high quality office space; provision for a new Primary Care Trust; a 100-bed hotel; 145,000 sq ft ofamenity retail, café, and restaurant accommodation; and improved transport infrastructure including a new bus station and car parking facilities all set within a new network of new streets and public spaces.
The scheme is being delivered by Muse Developments in partnership with Forward Swindon, the company responsible for economic growth and development in Swindon on behalf of Swindon Borough Council and the Homes & Communities Agency.
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2014, 10:04:40 AM »
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The wyvern st car park is the site for the new muesum and art Gallery .it was passed at the last council meeting I believe.Lottery funding is being sought and private investors have agreed to help,Robert Hiscox being one of them.

I accept that the Council wishes to use the Car Park for a new museum and art gallery. In the 70s it said exactly the same about the Princes Street surface car park.

I believe SBC has 'good intentions' but I doubt there will be a new museum and art gallery on that site in the next ten years and possibly twenty. Its 40 since the concept of a cultural centre extending from the Old College to the police station site was first envisaged and what we have is yet another car park.

I acknowledge the role of Mr Hiscox - a man with many connections but let's be clear - he has not securdea single penny of private investment to date, he might but if his own published views on Swindon's alleged non-culture are transmitted to his friends, the outcome may be as negative.

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2014, 10:18:43 AM »
The Council was the main contributor to the build costs of the sheltered scheme at Whale Bridge. Can’t remember if it was 1.2 Mill or 1.5 Mill. Everything done to date in the town centre proper has been by the public purse in one form or another.
Further income from the national public purse will be by the Local Enterprise Partnership.

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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2014, 08:02:46 PM »
By accident I read an article about a commercial property fair called MIPIM, places like Birmingham and smaller cities like Derby have representation there to try and sell their development schemes.

A quick search seems show that Swindon isn't represented there, no forward Swindon, no muse, no Morai.  Now whether these trade fairs are of any use or not is debatable, but if the towns and cities Swindon is competing against are there logic would suggest Swindon should be there. 



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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2015, 07:58:13 PM »
A year on since this was posted.

Has Forward Swindon actually (and unambiguously) delivered anything since we last debated this issue which justifies its 1million a year price tag to the Swindon tax payer...? (Tax payers who have no say on who sits on Forward Swindon - or what their plans or priorities are, either)
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2015, 09:57:32 AM »
Some time ago, much was said about the CEO of the town, who reduced his pay by a few thousand, and got a load of claps on the back for his generous stance.  However, as he is also a director of Forward Swindon, will his reduction in pay from the council, be supported by his pay as a director of FW. And Yes, FW gets its money from the council...

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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2015, 07:29:33 PM »
Some time ago, much was said about the CEO of the town, who reduced his pay by a few thousand, and got a load of claps on the back for his generous stance.  However, as he is also a director of Forward Swindon, will his reduction in pay from the council, be supported by his pay as a director of FW. And Yes, FW gets its money from the council...

I don't know for sure, but I have always assumed that Gavin Jones isn't paid to sit on the board of Forward Swindon. Surely it is a SBC function and part of his day job.

According to the website, the Forward Swindon team (excluding directors) comprises 11 staff with fancy job titles. I am surprised that their salaries plus NI, pension contributions, office overheads etc don't exceed £1 million. An employee on £60k is going to cost £90k to employ by the time you give them a company car, desk, mobile phone, laptop, expenses, training, NI and pension.

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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2015, 07:45:47 AM »
What do people make of this story in relation for Forward Swindon?

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11818105.Support_group_is_guiding_town___s_new_entrepreneurs/
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Re: Forward Swindon to be scrapped
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2015, 03:11:55 PM »
As it happens I have now sat through two explanations of what 'Outset' is about.

The way I hear it is, that it is helping people, however lowly, set up their own businesses and I think their particular triumph is when they help it means someone is actually going to be employed! Maybe after a long period of unemployment. 

They offer training, support and have access to start up loans - up to £11,000 I think it is.

Ah, I have found something:  Outset provides free help and advice on self employment to anyone who is currently unemployed or has a new business idea.

There is a pot, exclusively for them to help directly support Council Tenants back to work, although I don't think they stop there. I think that is what the article is about more than what the guy they've helped is going to do, from this one would think that he is freshly started in his quest. 

I sloped off there, because I knew I had a poster promoting Outset, but it seems I've deleted it, however I found a copy of the press release that caused the Adver story. It is indeed a story about him becoming an Ambassador for Outset, having been through the process he is encouraging others to try it  out.   

The first reference I can find to Outset here is about last March, I feel that to claim success one would have to have been at it longer and one question I would, indeed. I have asked, is what support is available for newly set up business people, who have gained confidence in themselves by taking this on, fail?   Hopefully everyone will be happily employed in their own business for years to come, but what if they are not and have a large debt?

I know the debt might not be large to some people.

 




 


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