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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2014, 01:42:09 PM »
Des, FOI time again........

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2014, 04:22:29 PM »
Has SCS repaid the start up loan they got from the council, or is this yet another council give away......

When SBC made the loan to SCS, SCS were an arms length company wholly owned by SBC. SBC effectively lent the money to itself.

SCS is now back in house and part of SBC. SBC therefore owes the money to itself.

I have no doubt that the money was wasted because the saving associated with outsourcing SCS didn't materialise and it is now considered cheaper to bring them in house again.

I wouldn't call it a give away, but with hindsight it has proven to poor judgement. My concern, is that this idea was never going to work and if councillor's had removed their rose tinted specs this would have been obvious from the start.

Overly optimistic forecasts is a major factor in council mistakes. No one ever considers what might go wrong. There is never a contingency plan and anyone who suggests a cautious approach is considered to be a negative thinker as opposed to a realist.

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #82 on: February 15, 2014, 12:20:25 PM »
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Of the 16,600 homes, officers believe that only 70% will require a bin with the balance using bags. The annual charge will be the same for households using bags or bins BUT yuo can't choose which you use.

I wonder if they have considered that the houses not currently using wheeled bins, are the same ones that do not have gardens?

Another day, another fib from the Borough - this time concerning the stocks of additional orange boxes. The promised 8th Feb delivery didn't happen, and Croft now been cleared out of whatever stock arrived on the 14th. Another week of putting the surplus into plastic bags in the rain beckons. The words **ss up and brewery spring to mind.

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #83 on: February 15, 2014, 08:44:36 PM »
There's plenty of orange boxes around where I live. It seems the wind has blown them all over the streets in the area. Hopefully the owners will reclaim them, otherwise a few people will end up with free boxes!

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« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2014, 08:58:23 PM »
There's plenty of orange boxes around where I live. It seems the wind has blown them all over the streets in the area. Hopefully the owners will reclaim them, otherwise a few people will end up with free boxes!

They were fairly well strewn round the streets by the crew this week...

We had to pick up a load of them and return them to their owners before going to work (since they'd actually LEFT them in the middle of the road 2 minutes earlier).

Made me wonder whether their new recycling round was doable in the allotted time...

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2014, 07:59:37 AM »
I can't remember where I red it, so can't confirm it, but it may have been facebook? - that the Orange bins are now available.
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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2014, 11:05:09 AM »
The adver reports today that a total of 14,000 green bins are still 'unclaimed', so that's even  more money down the drain, and they have just delivered them to this street, the job was done by a private garden firm called, leaves, so that's even more money astray.
and on the road that I can see, from my house, I think out of a total of about 30 houses, they delivered 4....... :WTF:

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« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2014, 11:12:27 AM »
Sort of stands to reason in the weather we've been having that people aren't out doing the garden.

 Therefore not thinking about composting etc. just wait a few weeks and I bet they'll go like hot cakes, when people realise that they won't have a free green bag takeaway.

Come to think of it Geoff, how's the allotment doing?
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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #88 on: February 20, 2014, 01:56:20 PM »
Sort of stands to reason in the weather we've been having that people aren't out doing the garden.

 Therefore not thinking about composting etc. just wait a few weeks and I bet they'll go like hot cakes, when people realise that they won't have a free green bag takeaway.

Come to think of it Geoff, how's the allotment doing?

The green bag collection never was 'free', although there will be no reduction in council tax now it's been withdrawn and no reduction in council tax now that kerbside recycling collections are fortnightly instead of weekly.

My allotment is going brilliantly has shorter grass than it had.  Bad weather has coincided with each and every 'allotment day' in my diary so far this year.  Hoping that this will change in the next few days. 

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2014, 03:48:40 PM »
Sort of stands to reason in the weather we've been having that people aren't out doing the garden.

 Therefore not thinking about composting etc. just wait a few weeks and I bet they'll go like hot cakes, when people realise that they won't have a free green bag takeaway.

Come to think of it Geoff, how's the allotment doing?

The green bag collection never was 'free', although there will be no reduction in council tax now it's been withdrawn and no reduction in council tax now that kerbside recycling collections are fortnightly instead of weekly.

My allotment is going brilliantly has shorter grass than it had.  Bad weather has coincided with each and every 'allotment day' in my diary so far this year.  Hoping that this will change in the next few days. 

True the green bag were not  'free', but they did give (wrong word) it to us extra. At least we didn't have an individual handing over of money direct as we will if we choose to have a bin. Funnily enough after I wrote that piece, I read the Adver and the Adver comments page.

Allotment: Thought as much, wonder how much allotment weather we will have between now and being able to actually get out on it before it all starts growing.  Signs of growing are definitely there. Have to get yourself a blow-up/spring up  shed and work underneath it.

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2014, 12:26:10 AM »
A Consultation did take place, the question is was it a mistake to go against the majority view for no change? I never met one person when canvassing who supported the change.

Having a discussion with the public with no intention of taking notice just simply loses respect for the process. Politicians who ignore the public's view add weight to the belief that Politicians only take notice when it suits them. A change to charges is no indication of taking notice just damage limitation.

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2014, 10:10:21 AM »
A Consultation did take place, the question is was it a mistake to go against the majority view for no change? I never met one person when canvassing who supported the change.

Having a discussion with the public with no intention of taking notice just simply loses respect for the process. Politicians who ignore the public's view add weight to the belief that Politicians only take notice when it suits them. A change to charges is no indication of taking notice just damage limitation.

So what is the Labour policy on this subject then Bob?

I don't think it manifested itself at Cabinet or at Scrutiny did it?
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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2014, 12:52:36 PM »
Richard - I take it you were at the twice reviewed decision which was sent back because it didn't stack up. In that case you would have noticed our challenges. The public did not want this change and we made it clear that the eventual decision did not reflect their wishes. It could be argued the decision was not consulted on and was an abstraction and adjustment from the previous consultation


We opposed the change. We have also published our views.

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« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2014, 09:12:44 PM »
Saw this today in West Swindon. Either the owner of these doesn't know about the wheelie bins, or is simply dumping them on the side of the road in the hope that someone will collect them. Only the beginning, I'm sure this will become a more common sight in the future

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« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2014, 09:31:57 PM »
Saw this today in West Swindon. Either the owner of these doesn't know about the wheelie bins, or is simply dumping them on the side of the road in the hope that someone will collect them. Only the beginning, I'm sure this will become a more common sight in the future

The leaflet that came with the Council tax bill says "Your final green waste collection will be made on the usual day between Monday 17th March and Friday 28th March".

So they were OK....

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2014, 09:20:59 AM »
Yep, I put out my first and last four bags of green stuff (of the year) yesterday and they were taken early and cleanly, without problem. I did wonder if they went in the general waste lorry?

However I now have to go and litter pick my small front garden again from the other stuff. Tut!
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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2014, 10:11:33 AM »
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Chose to go to the tip with car and trailer of leylandii cuttings yesterday ... we laughed our socks off as we took, in total, one hour to do the business. Drivers were trapped in their cars unable to abort their journey even if they wanted to! There were some irate people, in fact.

There were around TEN Council employees in their yellow jackets out directing traffic with walkie talkies from the main Cheney Manor Trading Estate road onto the waste site. Council vehicles were obviously informed to put on hazard lights and drive along the 'wrong' side of the road and onto site as the queues of householders were held back in line waiting to get out as well as to get into the car stacking system. They did their best and were efficient, but ... this is only mid March, the rain has stopped and allowed some gardening ... creating the garden waste, of course.

If further proof was needed ... come the proper gardening season and residents are expected to take their own green waste to the tip, unless like us having invested in a pair of the FORTY QUID con tricks, there will be traffic right back to Akers Way, Cheney Manor Road and perhaps, just like 15 years ago, along Great Western Way!!!!!

So unrealistic to take away the household green waste collections ... who is responsible ... will heads roll, because they certainly should? :bottom: :bottom:


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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2014, 12:05:50 PM »
I went to the tip last Monday at about 11.00am and was gobsmacked. In previous visits even at the weekend, I've been able to get in and out of the tip in a matter of ten to fifteen minutes.

Given it was a work day and overcast, I was astounded to find myself not only queuing back out onto the road, but when I finally got through the entrance, realising that I was part of what must have been well over 100 cars parked in the kind of rows you normally see before entering a cross-channel ferry. Absolutely astounding numbers.

Come the proper warm weather, the system will simply grind to a halt as Morsey says.

And what will that result in? The obvious. Fly-tipping in the back alleys, cut-throughs, at the sides of the road or in the surrounding countryside by the less social residents of the town; dumping which will either completely scupper the attempt of the council to improve the image and brand of the town OR which will cost far more than the cost of organised collection to clear away....

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2014, 01:06:47 PM »
Saw this today in West Swindon. Either the owner of these doesn't know about the wheelie bins, or is simply dumping them on the side of the road in the hope that someone will collect them. Only the beginning, I'm sure this will become a more common sight in the future

The leaflet that came with the Council tax bill says "Your final green waste collection will be made on the usual day between Monday 17th March and Friday 28th March".

So they were OK....

We left our green waste on the edge of our property weeks ago, and it was not collected. I eventually took it to the recycle centre myself when I hired a car. I'm assuming some areas of Swindon still have a green collection whilst others do not?

If you notice, in the photograph the three green bags left here are not on anyone's property, or even near it! I imagine the purpose being is that if they are not picked up, no one will know which property the waste belongs to.

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Re: Green Waste Bins - was this really a consultation?
« Reply #99 on: March 19, 2014, 01:08:09 PM »
My green wheelie has arrived this morning, beautifully presented, well made and up for the task, I hope?!?

The chap delivering them in a Luton van was pleasant and explained the dates of importance ... in the road of aroune 80+ properties, I believe he had one bin to drop off every 30 or so properties, so the emptying wagon will not have too many homes to call at, yet they all have decent sized gardens producing more green waste than they can compost.

This whole episode is an example of totally badly thought out method and to cap it all, I caught sight of a sign at the tip about charging for tipping, which a friend informed me was one that he had seen. Are they going to try and force the hand of the residents into paying for a green bin? :2funny: