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Offline Terry Reynolds

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thamesdown drive
« on: December 05, 2013, 08:49:10 PM »
I see, or should I say, the lack of news today, must mean the proposed extension to thamesdown drive is in danger, as the budget has not signalled any contribution to it, so who pays now??..



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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 07:54:09 AM »
And:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10859251.Road_extension_bid_fails_to_get_funding_in_Chancellor_s_Autumn_Statement/

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This is not the end of the line, said Swindon MP Robert Buckland
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 08:02:46 AM »
In the Advertiser

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10859251.Road_extension_bid_fails_to_get_funding_in_Chancellor_s_Autumn_Statement/?action=success

This is not unexpected as I always thought the politicing that was surrounding it was never going to produce a result anyway.  Instead of building yet to be opened Car Parks for £15m plus and then yet more money to close other ones perhaps this one should have gone towards the construction of this road.  It is of considerable significance that when our Administration is desperately seeking savings that this new unused unopened  car park is lit up like a Christmas Tree twenty four hours a day.  Just who is paying?

and on the basis of the lack of progress on the Bruce Street bridges it makes me wonder how long it will be before Swindon seizes up completely? 

If and when this road is built it will have to be done properly but as it was never going to happen for ten years even if this money had come our way will it be too late by then anyway.

I see you have just beaten me to it M!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 08:54:32 PM »
Call me a cynic... I reckon the money for this will be miraculously found in 2015...

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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 09:48:55 PM »
You're probably right there and they'll also find the money to sort out the A417 at Birdlip as well.

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 09:14:22 PM »
I had a leaflet posted through the door today to say there is a meeting of interested parties at St Andrews Church Hall, Moredon Road at 7:00 PM on Friday (19th June), concerning the Thamesdown Drive extension.

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 08:11:55 PM »
Instead of faffing around the an extension from one congested road to another congested road, Swindon needs more capacity.

What we need is a new J15a at the bottom of Croft Road which will ease congestion on junctions 15 and 16, then a proper western bypass (dual carriageway NSL), from J16 around west Swindon and joining to the top of Thamsdown Drive.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2015, 11:43:28 AM »
Makes a lot more sense than wasting money on extending Thamesdown drive which will achieve nothing except moving the queues.

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2015, 12:03:45 PM »
I vaguely recall the "silver book" proposing a western bypass of some sort going from the M4 to the A419 back in the 1960's.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2015, 01:53:32 PM »
Also, (this has just come to me!) if a new junction on the M4 is built at the bottom of Croft Road, there wouldn't be a need for an expensive tunnel under the M4 connecting Wichelstowe to J16.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 04:52:00 PM »
Makes a lot more sense than wasting money on extending Thamesdown drive which will achieve nothing except moving the queues.

It's good to see there are others that can see just how pointless this project is. I went to one of these meetings at Peatmoor a few months back and everyone there was for building this road, but just can't see the problems it will cause, such as the gridlock at Barnfield, which will also affect our bus services and a major cycle path.

However if they can build an expensive car park, I'm sure they'll find the money for this somewhere. Once complete and the gridlock appears, there will no doubt be more angry motorists than there are now.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2015, 09:51:04 AM »
before the elections, coun Heehnan and his cohorts were against any such thamedowns drive, come the elections all change yes its a vote winner so go hell for it, now the elections is won, and its back to the no talk brigade, put out to grass until the next come uppance..

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2015, 01:18:53 PM »
and a good thing too Terry.

Extending Thamesdown drive will achieve nothing except moving the traffic queues. Both Bruce St and Mannington are over capacity.
Traffic in that part of Town can't be solved without another crossing of the railway going all the way into Town.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2015, 10:34:40 AM »
I have been involved in the Thamesdown Drive extension project and still believe it is necessary, but..............

Until they solve the issues at Bruce Street bridges, a disaster waiting to happen, and Mannington I agree it is a non starter.

What I would say is that the politicians are showing their worst side in the way this is being handled and the public appear to put up with it.

I could go on but have lost heart.

Maybe I will explore the Bruce Street and Mannington issues on another occasion.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2015, 11:53:47 AM »
Unfortunately, the very railway that made Swindon is the reason that this extension will solve nothing. Indeed if it were to solve local problems it will only make things worse as it will encourage traffic to leave the 419 and route that way to join the M4 at J16.

Local queues can only be solved by building another railway crossing.

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2015, 05:33:32 PM »
Local queues can only be solved by building another railway crossing.

 :agreed: Building bigger wider roads will only get traffic to the bottlenecks quicker where it will then back up.

Just think if it takes SBC 18 months to make a few minor modifications to Bruce Street Bridges, how long would it take them to build an extension to Thamesdown Drive  :2funny:

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2015, 11:17:38 PM »
Unfortunately, the very railway that made Swindon is the reason that this extension will solve nothing. Indeed if it were to solve local problems it will only make things worse as it will encourage traffic to leave the 419 and route that way to join the M4 at J16.

Local queues can only be solved by building another railway crossing.

If you are talking about the Gloucester line Phil it is planned to go under it.

As regards the Main line I agree it would be a good idea to bridge it while this electrification work is being done but there is no mention of it being considered anywhere.  You will be pleased to hear that having waited for it be doubled there is still talk of a station at Sparcells just to add to the traffic chaos, of course!

It is a pity the Council don't have any imagination and bought Signal Point for the £1 yes £1 that it was sold for and made that whole station frontage a Transport Hub with the Bus Station on that site.

For those of us who use buses I cannot see anyone unfit or elderly trapsing from the Railway Station with a suit case to catch a bus, they will use taxes instead, but maybe it is the complete lack of imagination that is crippling this town and will one day kill it.

Remember Dale Heenan is not only Lead Member for Transport but Lead Member for Planning as well!  Will he be around long enough to account for the chaos he is generating in Swindon?  I doubt it!!
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 04:31:51 PM »
Talking of chaos, I went on my holidays recently, drove up to the A419 via Cricklade and guess what?? I couldn't get through due to the B4553 being closed.
Came back from holiday, it was still closed. Very poor diversion signs in place.

I guess the residents of Cricklade must be very happy that they don't have traffic through the centre of their town. I think it's about time they had a relief road.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 09:52:19 PM »
weeks and months before the general election, if you asked about the thamesdown drive link, all you got was reasons for not doing it and the main one was the cost of the review etc, they talked about the cheney manor link road or the akers way improvements etc, then along came the election, those in power saw what a vote winner it was, and all of a sudden, yes the town going for the thamesdown drive extension etc etc, all gang hoy  and then they got elected, with a majority, and now you don't even hear a bell being sounded let alone the plans for this new road...hypocrites..

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2015, 02:17:31 PM »
I think the main issue at the moment is having the Bruce Street Bridges junction sorted out, as it has taken way too long. Another point I've noticed is what are the improvements to the flow of traffic since it was built? It's fine if you are travelling westbound on the Great Western Way, but try heading north up Kemble Drive or Rodbourne Road - you're stuck in traffic jams. I guess this was the reason why it had four mini roundabouts in the first place.
I imagine once the new junction is complete, and we can all see first hand what it has done to the flow of traffic, then we will know whether or not the relief road will work. It may be that they need to follow the alternative plan where it doesn't go under the railway. Don't forget that if the new road does connect to Barnfield Roundabout, it will ultimately lead to gridlock between Meads and Bruce St Bridges.