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Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« on: November 26, 2013, 08:13:44 AM »
Planning application number: S/OUT/13/1555 

Application Received by SBC on Fri 18 Oct 2013 

Address of application: Eastern Villages Land North Of A420 South Marston And Rowborough Swindon Wilts 

Proposal: Outline planning permission for a sustainable ( :censored:) urban extension for up to 2,380 dwellings, a mixed use local centre and mixed use areas, community uses, sheltered accommodation, a primary school, green infrastructure including formal and informal open space, sports facilities, sustainable drainage, engineering works including ground re-modelling, other infrastructure, demolition and the formation of new accesses from the A420, Old Vicarage Lane, Thornhill Road.

I hope that the following URL will take you to the papers. There are over 80 to look at!

http://pa.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MV2DFEPT04V00


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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 08:44:46 AM »
Sustainable Drainage:   :2funny: :2funny:

This means, this time they will put the right size pipe in.................

Seriously, I think we will be hearing from the good people of South Marston, but if they have not been able to stop it thus far, I can't see them doing it now. 
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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 09:14:29 AM »
There's no doubt that this will go ahead and so will the plans to build about 6,000 houses on the other side of the A420.

I'm attaching a copy of the Framework plan so that you can see the layout of the current proposal for South Marston.
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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 10:16:03 AM »
both these developments are vast amounts of farm land, do the builders own all the land or will it be cpo job???>

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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 10:56:17 AM »
both these developments are vast amounts of farm land, do the builders own all the land or will it be cpo job???>

The builders probably have some sort of deal with the landowners/farmers to buy the land.  As I understand it the average price of an acre of farmland is around £5,000, once planning permission is in place it's worth at least x10 as much.

So no need for a CPO I suspect, unless there's a farmer who doesn't want to sell (which is unlikely unless they're taking an ethical stance) as they could sell their land, invest it in some BTL houses on the new development and probably have a higher income than they did from the farm.  It's tenant farmers who might get kicked off their land that I feel sorry for.

If the council own any of the land then they're guaranteed to sell it as they're up to their eyeballs in debt.

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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 11:20:06 AM »
When all the past and planned development is considered together, it looks to me like there are plans for a new city, based on Swindon, sited between London and Bristol.
The differences between London, Bristol and Swindon will be staggering.

For instance, London grew from it’s Roman roots in a “higgledy-piggledy” fashion. It had with no overall road layout and was cut in half by a major obstacle, the River Thames. After the Great Fire of London all this could have been put right when Sir Christopher Wren, supported by King Charles II, proposed a well-ordered London with vistas and wide and straight streets inspired by the Gardens of Versailles. Other, financial, interests won the day and the streets of the City of London, are today, exactly as they were before the fire.  We now have a capital city where the Mayor taxes those that visit by road and despite that, the traffic congestion is terrible

Bristol grew from that fact that it was a sea port, also used by the Romans, and luckily, then, the River Avon and Frome meet there. Until recent days, the best means of transport, especially of heavy good, was by water, so a complicated system of tidal waterways developed. In modern times these waterway have hampered movement around the city. Some good work has been carried out post WW2 and in recent times but the city, to my mind, can also be accurately described as “higgledy-piggledy”.

Now let’s look at Swindon. Here’s a chance to get it right. Or is it? We have a town cut in half by the railway, which hampers movement. We have random developments, with poor transport links. We have a lack of basic infrastructure and even the “planning” that does occur, puts schools where they are not needed while leaving other areas lacking. Some are even questioning if there is sufficient supply of drinking water to support a population increase.

What Swindon has in spades, that London and Bristol lack, is vibrancy, innovation and sustainability. Who needs Sir Christopher Wren when there is an invisible list of random pRodjects, as long as your arm, to go on with?
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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 03:08:31 PM »
... And so the concrete pseudo-pods of the Chavopolis reached out to despoil even more tracts of countryside...

But there was still no culture, the roads were more overloaded and the people commuted elsewhere to work. But it was cheap. And vibrant (apparently).
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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 04:05:06 PM »
When I saw it in the Adver I thought that a large area for 2,500 houses, and it seems that the actual development area is well spread out. Whether that is good or not is up for discussion - i.e. spreading the development over a larger area, with the green bit as part of it, or shoving development all up one end and leaving the 'countryside' alone. 

I think the land is  bit more expensive that Gorg thinks, back in the day we were told one of our 10/11 acre fields would cost £3 million. Don't suppose the value has gone down in 13 years.

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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 05:01:30 PM »
£5,000 is just a figure I've seen mentioned in the press for "farmland" so I imagine there's a big difference between some inaccessible farmland in the middle of nowhere and something right next to a big town that is ripe for development.

Did a quick search for land prices in Wiltshire and guess what turned up:
http://www.uklandandfarms.co.uk/rural-property-for-sale/south-west/wiltshire/swindon-89214724/  40 acres of land on the proposed development site for £1.25million

Compare that to 45 acres near Wroughton £125,000 http://www.uklandandfarms.co.uk/rural-property-for-sale/south-west/wiltshire/46538_sal120279/

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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 07:28:55 PM »
The River Cole runs through the site and this regularly floods. As such the floodplain is pretty big and this accounts for much of the open space. I can remember Rupert Burr showing us around Roves Farm many years ago and pointing to all the fields where he couldn't grow crops because of flooding. I remember him saying that he had noticed that more productive land had been taken out of use as the flooding had got worse as Swindon expanded  - i.e. loss of floodplain higher up the river... This was one of the reasons he started to grow his willow coppice for future power generation. 

There's also the railway line that is on a raised embankment alongside the A420. I presume that a reasonable buffer is required between the road/railway and the new houses.

What is for sure is that the developers only leave "green space" because they have to. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 08:36:22 AM »
"What is for sure is that the developers only leave "green space" because they have to."

Amen to that!   

 

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2013, 11:24:34 AM »
I've just found part of what must be the Swindon Biodiversity Action Habitat Plan. It must have been written since 2007, because the nearest date I can find in it. I have the Development Section in front of me now:-

Headed in bold: Vision All new build in Swindon will be an example of high quality, environmentally sensitive development that others boroughs will seek to follow.  Development proposals will avoid impacting on existing wildlife rich areas and will seek to create and maintain new areas of wildlife

The document is not just the headline/mission, it goes on for 4 pages of fine print. And I know its part of a much larger document.

What no one thought to put in was that "and it's should that in the future!
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Re: Planning application for 2380 new houses at South Marston
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 11:50:47 AM »
I've just found part of what must be the Swindon Biodiversity Action Habitat Plan. It must have been written since 2007, because the nearest date I can find in it. I have the Development Section in front of me now:-

Headed in bold: Vision All new build in Swindon will be an example of high quality, environmentally sensitive development that others boroughs will seek to follow.  Development proposals will avoid impacting on existing wildlife rich areas and will seek to create and maintain new areas of wildlife

The document is not just the headline/mission, it goes on for 4 pages of fine print. And I know its part of a much larger document.

What no one thought to put in was that "and it's should that in the future!

Didn't seem to care too much about that back when a university and houses were planned for Coate (and were being supported by SBC)!

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2013, 04:13:39 PM »
The Biodiversity plan was a product of one of the new partnerships, I went to couple of meetings, but read and commented on all the various aspects of it.  Everyone of the partners was enthusiastic, but that might have been one or two SBC officers, and then the other partners were probably Wiltshire based as in Wiltshire Wildlife Trust.

I've just remembered that it started back in the Local Area Panel Days and on one particular evening  our panel met in Highworth or Blundson. At previous meeting the Biodiversity plan was mentioned - at this time they were obliged by government to have one in place and Swindon was badly lagging behind, at that earlier meeting a question had been asked and swept aside, because "We'll come under Wiltshires". Later I was made aware, that this really wasn't good enough and because of Swindon's size and amazing diversity, really ought to have one of it's own. So Muggins put her hand up and said so, put the case and no doubt others had been softening them up in between, reminding them of their legal responsibilities etc. so won the day.  As luck would have it there was a contingent there that night from Highworth etc because there was a huge road issue going on. Luckily they wholehearted agreed with me and it was agreed that 'a report' had to come to the next one, by which time they found out all we had said was true and that they were obliged to have one and had to get a move on to get it done in the required time.  So the partners worked on it, launched it with much hoohah, with hard copies and a CD.

One of the things that drove it, was an acceptance that Swindon had and would continue to have development forced on it, so any plan should be robust and frankly a bit better than any other towns and that Swindon should show others the way to do it. 

Bet no one in SBC even remembers it's there, or maybe they do?
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