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What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« on: November 06, 2013, 08:32:48 PM »
29th November, 7:30pm to 9pm at the Pilgrim Centre at the top end of the town centre.

Free admission, light refreshments will be served from 7pm.



In a format similar to Question Time (or for Radio 4 listeners, Any Questions), you are invited to pose your questions to a panel consisting of...

* Robert Buckland, MP for the South Swindon constituency since 2010
* Dale Heenan, SBC cabinet member for Strategic Planning & Sustainability
* Gary Mantle, director of Wiltshire Wildlife Trust
* Molly Scott Cato, a green economist, professor of Strategy and Sustainability at Roehampton University and Green Party candidate for the South West region in the European Union election

You can submit questions in advance to questions@swindonclimate.org.uk

If you'd like to put up a poster for this event, there's one in Powerpoint format here


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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2013, 08:38:30 PM »
It means nothing. SBC will do what Central Government tells them do once it is translated from the original Belgian.

Green recycling would be good though .......
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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 08:46:07 PM »
Green recycling would be good though .......

So come along and ask something about that. And rejoice in seeing the various responses on youtube for all and sundry to see  :)
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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 08:18:13 PM »
Any reason why no one from Labour party on the panel?

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 10:01:10 PM »
Presumably if it's like question time then the audience has to listen to the great and the good (or bad in this case) and don't get the opportunity to participate in an open debate? Ehy this format Simon?

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 10:13:01 PM »
Any reason why no one from Labour party on the panel?

Because this event isn't about party politics. It's about the interaction between environmental issues and economic issues and what this means for us Swindon people.

We have two representatives of government (one local and one national) on the panel (shame they're both tories, but that's what people voted for), and we also have two environmental thinkers on the panel (one of whom is also standing for election as declared on the poster).

I think that's fairly balanced, don't you?

If SCAN were to arrange a hustings then it'd be completely different...
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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 10:43:39 PM »
Presumably if it's like question time then the audience has to listen to the great and the good (or bad in this case) and don't get the opportunity to participate in an open debate? Ehy this format Simon?

Last time we did this there was plenty of opportunity for participation from the audience, only limited by the time we had to be out of the room. I'm sure the same will be true this time :)
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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 01:44:27 AM »
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Because this event isn't about party politics.

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Except both MPs are there... It would be understandable to defend their inclusion on the basis that they shape policy at a national level... but it looks utterly inconsistent to then see that as uninfluential a person as a Green Party MEP candidate is on the panel...

As I'm extraordinarily unlikely to be voting for ID Card defender and proven career politician, ex MP Anne Snelgrove, I couldn't give a flying turd about the omission of Labour - other than the fact that it looks like an unbalanced and potentially cosy line up.

In fact, after the utter stupidity of Milliband's 'promised' energy price freezes, should they win next election, their omission (or should I say emissions  :wink: ) seems even more pertinent to the way Swindon's greenwash 'economy' might operate in the very near future. The selection criteria for those speaking therefore seems rather questionable to me...?

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 09:41:40 AM »
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Because this event isn't about party politics.


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Except both MPs are there... It would be understandable to defend their inclusion on the basis that they shape policy at a national level... but it looks utterly inconsistent to then see that as uninfluential a person as a Green Party MEP candidate is on the panel...

As I'm extraordinarily unlikely to be voting for ID Card defender and proven career politician, ex MP Anne Snelgrove, I couldn't give a flying turd about the omission of Labour - other than the fact that it looks like an unbalanced and potentially cosy line up.

In fact, after the utter stupidity of Milliband's 'promised' energy price freezes, should they win next election, their omission (or should I say emissions  :wink: ) seems even more pertinent to the way Swindon's greenwash 'economy' might operate in the very near future. The selection criteria for those speaking therefore seems rather questionable to me...?

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I completely agree.  I'd add that our experience of the ID cards debate we organised in 2007 and the contempt Anne Snelgrove showed for anyone who disagreed with the party line back then suggests that she's probably not cut out for this type of event. After all, she may actually have to explain herself, as opposed to simply regurgitate a policy spin message that has been drafted at Labour party HQ.

At the moment she is putting a lot of her energy into soliciting votes in 2015.  However, you only have to look at the amount of noise she's making about energy bills right now to see that she hasn't really changed.  While I'm not playing down the pain that rising bills cause, I am concerned that she is making this a key issue because Ed Miliband has told her to, rather than she actually gives a rat's arse about how much people have to pay.   If she did care, why wasn't she publicly making this an issue before the Labour party conference in September?

The idiocy of the price freeze is quite transparent, yet her condescending approach to the people she claims to represent means she assumes people are incapable of seeing through it.    She conveniently sidesteps the fact that energy prices rose significantly from 2005, under Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's leadership, and instead she repeatedly churns out statistics to show that they fell during the 18 months Ed was Energy Secretary (2008-2010) 

The fact that prices were still far higher in 2010 than they were in 2005 are all inconvenient details that they'd prefer people forgot.  Labour didn't do anything about energy prices, or the energy markets, when in government and I think that speaks volumes about her motives.

Sorry, I know I've gone off topic but when I saw Tobes' reference to it I could stop myself having a rant  :wink:

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 01:56:11 PM »
The telegraph printed figures, which showed that  when ed was eng sec, gas went up by 29% and elec by 14%,  she is always shooting off, I sent her a message and asked what the price of fuel would be now if the fuel escalator that they left in place, had not been cancelled, no reply.. don't forget the carrier bag, or the food bills.....

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 02:18:10 PM »
I might pop along to that and see if they know the difference between incineration and gasification.

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 06:58:27 AM »
I might pop along to that and see if they know the difference between incineration and gasification.

If we're talking pyrolysis - governmental classification (both EU and UK) states that Pyrolysis which results in gasification is incineration.

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2013, 08:00:13 AM »
* Robert Buckland, MP for the South Swindon constituency since 2010
* Dale Heenan, SBC cabinet member for Strategic Planning & Sustainability
* Gary Mantle, director of Wiltshire Wildlife Trust
* Molly Scott Cato, a green economist, professor of Strategy and Sustainability at Roehampton University and Green Party candidate for the South West region in the European Union election

I don't really get what this will achieve if these are the only people on the panel, what do the first two know or care about the Green Economy?

What does Prof. Molly, one know about Swindon in particular??

Gary's a good bloke and all that and knows how to keep the WWT funded and working and more than a bit about wildlife, but is he an expert on green economies?   

No, if I am going to stir my stumps to get up to old town on a late November evening, I want to hear someone who knows thoroughly what they are on about! 

Nice try though, better that Swindon not doing anything.

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2013, 12:28:08 PM »
I drove past the new multi-storey car park last night. It isn't open yet but was lit up like a Christmas tree.

This from a council that wanted to switch off street lights. Madness !!

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2013, 02:37:48 PM »
I drove past the new multi-storey car park last night. It isn't open yet but was lit up like a Christmas tree.

This from a council that wanted to switch off street lights. Madness !!

When you've p***ed £15 mill against the wall on a car park the town doesn't need what's a few extra lighting up your stupidity.

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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2013, 06:49:27 PM »
After a week of battling with what appears to be a dying camera (I suspect mini-DV's days are numbered in this household) and various video formats, the videos from this event are up now.

First, the panel introduced themselves.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LcnBFpvduig" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/LcnBFpvduig</a>

There were a couple of questions about the green deal

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MqqhMV9PGB8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/MqqhMV9PGB8</a>

And fuel poverty

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZLUh2QIaspo" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZLUh2QIaspo</a>

Renewable energy and the hydrogen economy. Dave the chair made the point that the UK has a huge potential capacity for renewable energy but we're so slow to make use of it. Good to see that the local politicians understand that hydrogen is an energy carrier rather than an energy source.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/N3eZEhZgR4s" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/N3eZEhZgR4s</a>

A question presumably prompted by the remark apparently made by a prominent national politician (David Cameron I think) that people should respond to fuel poverty by putting a jumper on. Which is quite a sensible suggestion to some extent, although it did remind me of one of the people on that week's News Quiz (Radio 4, 6:30pm on Fridays) that you can put as many jumpers as you want on a tin of beans but it won't heat it up.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/JIaQsOlq2y8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/JIaQsOlq2y8</a>

Two transport-related questions. The first one, "what is the purpose of Thamesdown Transport, to provide a bus service or to make a profit" was mine. Dale Heenan's response doesn't surprise me at all, and while he was speaking, it occurred to me that I should have asked "what should be the purpose of Thamesdown Transport". There was also a question about breaking the dependency on car ownership.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/cTD8CqRWAe8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/cTD8CqRWAe8</a>

Finally a question about youth unemployment.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Uhnin4RC1x0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Uhnin4RC1x0</a>

The evening actually ran for 10 or so minutes after this, but I foolishly thought I could capture a 1 1/2 hour event on a 90 minute tape, which of course, ran out. Sorry :(

What does Prof. Molly, one know about Swindon in particular??


Sorry I didn't have this video available earlier. Molly gave this talk in Swindon in June, and while she may not know Swindon as well as the locals, she'd certainly done her research.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/wQ-NQAw0-A0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/wQ-NQAw0-A0</a>


I thought this event went well (give or take some issues with the recording and editing process), and feedback so far from others who were there seems to concur with this.

Incidentally, I think this is the first time in over 3 years that I've been in the same room as Robert Buckland, and I've only actually met him a handful of times in my entire life, yet he came over to me before the event started, shook my hand, greeted me by name and thanked me for being there to film the event. Either he's got a phenomenal memory for faces, or he pays special attention to the ones which operate video cameras. Should I be worried?  :-\

I wasn't the only one there with a camera, a couple of people from Swindon Viewpoint also turned up with far superior technology. I haven't worked out yet how to embed their videos, but you can see one of the ones they've published so far here: http://www.swindonviewpoint.com/video/forum-what-green-economy-pt-2
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Re: What does the green economy mean for Swindon?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 03:19:50 PM »
Don't be worried Simon, Robert remembers people who are worth remembering, and he remembers them for the right reasons.

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