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Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:29:23 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6129566.stm


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The Liberal Democrats have called for a mass repeal of 10 parliamentary acts passed by Labour since 1997.

A "freedom bill" sets out plans to abolish ID cards, control orders for terror suspects and to end extradition to the US "without proper evidence".

The Lib Dems also pledge to end the storage of DNA details of people never charged or convicted of crimes.

Party leader Sir Menzies Campbell says Labour is addicted to making laws and has created "legislative madness".



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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 07:57:59 PM »
More power to Ming's elbow!  O0
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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 10:12:19 PM »
This was 2006.

In 2010 the Lib Dems formed a coalition government with the Conservatives.

Was the pledge honoured or quietly abandoned?


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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 10:28:38 PM »
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a mass repeal of 10 parliamentary acts passed by Labour

Is there a party we can rely upon...?
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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 12:17:53 AM »
This reminds me of an event held on 13th February 2007, when a few of us no2id supporters chipped in to raise some money to hire the Pilgrim Centre for the evening and put some of the local politicians up on stage to be grilled by the public on the question Whose identity is it anyway?

Those were the days when I found myself (being an unashamedly lefty green type) slightly surprised to be in alliance with the local tories, against a labour government and its intentions to invade the privacy of ordinary people like you and me, in order to prevent terrorism prevent benefit fraud facilitate access to public services (does anyone want to add to the list of reasons we were given?).

One particular exchange I thought of was this:

Robert Buckland and Michael Wills - repealing the ID cards act


(This is a link to the .wmv file on the TalkSwindon server, for some reason Firefox is trying to embed it but is telling me that it can't find the right plugin to do so. If you're getting the same problem, just click the link below where the video would appear and your PC should download and play the video, it's only 9 megs so shouldn't take long to download)

Featured in this clip are:

Michael Wills, then labour MP for North Swindon, now a lord
Robert Buckland, then the tory prospective party candidate for South Swindon, now tory MP for South Swindon
Justin Tomlinson, then a tory cllr at SBC and PPC for North Swindon, now the MP for North Swindon.

I think Robert Buckland was pretty unequivocal in this clip in saying that a tory government would undo whatever the then government had done with regards to implementing the National Identity Register. Justin Tomlinson didn't say much more than "me too", Robert Buckland being the more eloquent of the two on the night in my opinion, but I got the impression that his position was the same.

So how's that going then, messrs Buckland and Tomlinson? How much of the database state have you dismantled?

More video clips from the Whose identity is it anyway event are here.

(Thanks Geoff for your good work merging the TS archive back into the main database, it's good to be reunited with our older posts :) )

Is there a party we can rely upon...?


Probably not  :'(
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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2012, 02:04:07 AM »

I reckon it's fair to say that we can rely on them to keep repeating the cyclic hypocrisy, ad nauseum, and this is why I'm recycling some of TS's earliest posts - I think they show that the political teams may have changed ends but the 'game' remains exactly the same.

Thanks Simon :-)  making TS 'whole' again was really important to me, and useful to all of us I think.

Personally I think we, the members and readers of TS, have come a long, long way forwards in exploring, understanding and exposing a lot of problems with local governance and democracy in Swindon.

By way of contrast, I don't think the same can be said for many local politicians.


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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 09:50:44 AM »
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Personally I think we, the members and readers of TS, have come a long, long way forwards in exploring, understanding and exposing a lot of problems with local governance and democracy in Swindon.

Have we? Seriously? We're as good as ever at spotting issues and apportioning blame, but thinner than ever on providing intelligent alternative solutions. The local and national picture is very often blurred.

In 2006, the common view, which the archive shows vehemently expressed on many occasions, was that Gordon Brown and the Labour party were to blame for the most important issues. In a few short years, its now apparently the fault of the Libs and the Torys.

I think this thread exposes the irony. Ten repressive acts imposed by Labour. The drive of the initial post on this thread isn't at all about the wrongfulness of those acts, but about the apparent inability of the Libs (not even their majority partners in coalition, the ever supposedly  'evil tories') to repeal those acts. Surely the massively greater 'sin' has to be that the legislation in question was enacted at all? Even that's eclipsed by the fact that those acts were utterly defended at the time by current Labour PCC Anne 'Leopard' Snelgrove - and yet she is the candidate and hers the party to which so many current posters here have aligned themselves so completely. What she stood for and believed in seems to have been swept under the ethical carpet.

Lets see a list of those ten acts so we can go through them and see what progress if any has been made in unpicking the totalitarian ambitions of the previous government. (But what ever the hypocrisy of those who have followed in government to fail do away with them, lets not forget that they didn't propose, support or enact them.)

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Re: Lib Dems - bid for freedom...?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 10:38:42 AM »
Have you seen the poster of MS Snelgrove, in front of a few t shirts, which have the message, Ive not been kissed by a tory on them. If you have a good look at the photo, you can see why............. :wink: :wink: and to think they have no one better to choose as the next PCC...

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 12:05:49 PM »
People like Anne debase the political process because to them its a game about power and the necessary moral compromises and 'chess moves' needed to acquire it. Pawns can be sacrificed just as quickly and easily as personal belief or integrity.

There comes a point after which I can't really criticize Anne too personally, because I realise that the things she purportedly stands for aren't really hers at all. They are the party's, as defined by those at the top of the pecking order. Eventual influence stems from being a good 'team player' and not rocking the boat and saying yes to everything with enthusiasm.

But personally, they are traits which would make me utterly avoid entrusting her with MY well-being or that of my town. I know both would come a very distant second to other priorities. I think the rest of Swindon clearly agreed with that thought too.

What does Swindon Labour think about those ten acts, out of interest? Are THEY pressing the naughty current incumbents to see them repealed?

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Have you seen the poster of MS Snelgrove, in front of a few t shirts, which have the message, Ive not been kissed by a tory on them.

... no, she has other priorities to deal with it seems...
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 02:06:52 PM »
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I've not been kissed by a tory on them

Mmmm Anne - do I count? :-*