Author Topic: West Swindon Skate Board Park  (Read 37539 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Geoff Reid

  • Twitter: @Geoff_Reid
  • Active But Odd
  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 10109
  • Gender: Male
  • Bald as a chimps arse
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2014, 09:45:52 AM »

I've just re-read this (now merged) topic from start to finish.

It's a good read :)

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2014, 10:26:45 AM »
I said "I think you might"  Not that I think you will.

I wonder that in taking the chance of losing say 10 votes, Nick Martin MAY have known something we don't, about the votes he would gain.

Maybe he's the one that's done the survey?

It doesn't matter what I would do, well it doesn't matter to you anyway, I'm not the one standing for Council and I don't or rather wouldn't be standing in you ward.

More to the point have YOU done the survey?

Nick Martin, to the best of my knowledge and belief did not do a survey and I don't think he even discussed it with anyone, it was just one of his bright ideas!

He has 'form' on arbitrary decisions as many years ago he created uproar near to Castleton Road when he 'decided' to erect a Basketball net.

Nick is a Cold Calculating Politician who plays the numbers game, but I think, this time, he might well have played it once too often and got it wrong.   Does he even care what people think so long as he is elected?

Did you hear about his 'behaviour' at a West Swindon Forum towards a Spencer Close Residenet M?

No M I have not done a survey, but I am always talking to people, which is the next best thing and just as effective.

And you are quite wrong about my caring what you do M so long as it is in the better interest of the people of Penhill and Swindon, but I think I know as much about that as you know what goes on in Shaw!
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2014, 11:25:17 AM »
Again Richard, as one community activist to another, why should we compare each other?  Actions from volunteers are up to how long we can spend doing what we do and we are enabled in that (or otherwise) by how much personal time, based on other family commitments, paid work etc. we have. We do not have the restrictions of a 9 to 5 job but neither are we paid. 

So why instead of keeping it general, do you make/take everything so personal?
Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2014, 01:22:44 PM »
Quote
Again Richard, as one community activist to another, why should we compare each other?

So why instead of keeping it general, do you make/take everything so personal?

Because, sadly, years of experience of Richard's approach on TS seems to show that so far, he only has one real mode; attack. And thats the response he has to any difference of opinion.  :(

As Spunky has pointed out, its extraordinarily ironic that its a shared aspect of the very character of the person he'd like to unseat.

Here's a classic example of Symondism in action (and remember, this is all happening as a result of a number of us not sharing his opinion on the skate park!):

Quote
I was very pleased to see this afternoon that there has been a deep clean of Deacon Street following my report to Streetsmart - well done all concerned [and who's that, Richard?  :coolsmiley:], but why did I have to get involved in the first place, when there are three perfectly able Liberal Councillors who can do it themselves if they wanted to?

But what is Richard clearly trying to imply? That they were aware and did nothing about it...?  That residents had either contacted Streetsmart for themselves and got nowhere (until his intervention?), or had asked their councillors for help but had simply been stonewalled?! :o

...Or was it a bit of mess which no one had noticed or bothered to report to anyone - until he happened across it?  ::)

Quote
The trouble is that it will be shown on a Liberal glossy about to come through your door Tobes that it was the Focus Team that done it!!

So, by clear implication, he thinks they knew about the mess and did nothing, BUT then  they found out that Shaw's answer to Tobermory had reported it, [presumably due to a hotline from their mole in Streetsmart - because how the hell otherwise would they then have known] and so once more fiendishly stole his righteous thunder in order to put it on their Focus leaflet.

Its clearly so ridiculous that would be laughable, if it wasn't a little bit sad. 

I apologise if that's all a bit personal back, but I'm sick to the back teeth of this constant drip feed of made-up non-sequiteur bollocks. There are enough real issues across our wards and our borough worthy of proper scrutiny and criticism without resorting to childish snipes like;

Quote
Before you challenge Tobes, maybe we ought to see a pic or two of you doing your bit too.

I am not a politician nor do I attend Pubs M instead I attend Council Meetings and I talk to Heads of Departments and their Lead Members and that is how I get things done, especially in Eastcott!

Ah, Richards continuing references to me and 'pubs'. Because, as everyone knows, my once a week (if I'm exceedingly lucky, given my work schedule and young baby) visit to talk to friends and socialise with neighbours for a couple of hours down either the Hive or The Castle is in fact a front for my raging alcoholism and contemptuous complacency.   :D
(incidentally, this response was coincidentally or otherwise a neat sidestep of being counter-challenged to show him getting his hands dirty after implying that the rest of us weren't up to his standards...  ::) )

Out of interest and as he appears driven to challenge everyone on any assertion, I wonder what were his 'high level talks' with 'Heads of Departments and Lead Members' were about, and what exactly did he 'get done' for Eastcott? (in a very unSymonds like way, he seems to have missed that detail out...)   :coolsmiley:

Richard, as an olive branch, I have told you of my admiration for having stood as an independent candidate, and you certainly get it for attending so many meetings and for trying to hold the council to more effective public scrutiny - but given you are as yet to convince your electorate that you're the man to carry their flag, I really think you need to have a long hard think about who your real enemies are. Not to mention how you make friends or gather support. Or how you handle disagreement.

A little diplomacy might go a long way.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2014, 03:02:06 PM »
Without trying to take this discussion in another direction: AT LAST, congratulations Tobes, what sort is it, how many pounds etc.  I had been wondering.  If you don't want to share, please pm me. 

Back on thread, "in attack mode", we are not going to get any new councillor with any different attitude to those we have now are we? 

"Before you challenge Tobes, maybe we ought to see a pic or two of you doing your bit too." 

This was my quote and I think it has been taken out of context a couple of times, I'll rewrite it how I meant it.

Before you (Richard) challenge Tobes (on his community activity), maybe we ought to see a pic or two of you (Richard) doing your bit (in the community) too. 


Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2014, 03:31:15 PM »
Hi Tobes, as they say it is all open to 'Interpretation'!!  :coffee:

Richard, as an olive branch........

Gratefully accepted as I do not seek to 'attack' anyone and If I did I would achieve nothing, as diplomacy and good humour are the name of the game.

I hope to see you at one of the meetings very shortly and then we can swap notes?   :thumb:
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #146 on: March 14, 2015, 02:20:55 PM »
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11853169.Rivermead_skate_plan_derailed_as_talks_fail/

Muppets  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #147 on: March 14, 2015, 02:59:30 PM »
Oh  dear, Oh dear,   Don't put something out for tender until everything is ready to go aye! 

“The correct course of action is therefore to re-tender the contract and make sure when doing so the specification does not favour any potential bidder by including elements that are of their design or specification"

This might be thought of as being the same as writing a job description so that a certain person gets the job. (or keeps the job).  Is this put in to say that last time it happened? 

I wonder if the contract was for the 'plan' and the work or just the work? In other words had some other money been used on the plan and I include officers time in this.

Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #148 on: March 14, 2015, 05:26:49 PM »
“The correct course of action is therefore to re-tender the contract and make sure when doing so the specification does not favour any potential bidder by including elements that are of their design or specification"

This might be thought of as being the same as writing a job description so that a certain person gets the job. (or keeps the job).  Is this put in to say that last time it happened? 

This is standard practice and now EU law. In the past, designers were allowed to specify products by name. Now they have to give a 'performance specification' so that any EU manufacturer has a fair chance of bidding.

For example, the Highways Agency had pre-approved a range of safety fencing (Armco barriers, open box beam etc). The designer could choose an appropriate system and specify it by name. This potentially favours British manufacturers. Now the designer now has to specify length, performance class, containment class, deflection limits etc. If a Spanish manufacturer can meet the 'performance specification', then he can bid and the client would be in breach of EU law if they failed to consider the product.

I don't have any inside information about the skate park but I suspect the following:-

1. Wheelscape submit the lowest and/or best tender for Salt Way.
2. SBC reject the unsuccessful tenders.
3. Following consultation, SBC decide to change the location and hence the design.
4. Three years later SBC decide to proceed, but Wheelscape's offer has lapsed.
5. Wheelscape advise that a skate park at the new location will cost £10,000 more.
6. SBC Procurement officers decide that they can only accept the original quote. If they change the design and accept a revised price, the unsuccessful tenderers could mount a challenge and claim that the process was unfair.
7. SBC have two options, build the skate park at Salt Way or re-tender.
8. SBC offer assurances that the new tendering process won't favour Wheelscape.

I am aware of several similar cases recently. In the past SBC would have accepted Wheelscape's revised price and construction would have started by now. These days the procurement officers are applying the rules to the letter and are playing safe. The problem is that some officers are still working to the old rules and others to the new.

Under the current system, it doesn't make sense to invite tenders before completing the consultation. If procurement rules only allow minor changes, it is essential that the design proposals are robust before tendering.

I know of a couple of contractor's who will no longer bid for SBC contracts because the process has become more complicated and expensive to complete and because too many contracts are being cancelled or re-tendered due to minor discrepancies in the process. Tendering is an expensive process for contractors, but if they are confident in their product and competitiveness they accept this risk. They don't mind bidding if they have a 1 in 4 chance of winning, but are not happy if the contracts are cancelled due to poor planning or incompetence by the client (ie. tendering costs with no chance of winning). 
 


Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #149 on: March 14, 2015, 06:28:54 PM »
Do SBC still have a list of approved contractors? 
Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #150 on: March 14, 2015, 08:34:57 PM »
Do SBC still have a list of approved contractors?

No. They advertise on a website called the South West Portal which means anyone can tender. Tenders are checked that they comply with certain pass/fail criteria (eg. financial checks, insurance, equalities policy etc). All those that pass are then given a score for quality and a score for price. The highest combined score wins.

With the list of approved contractors, tenderers used to pre-qualify on the pass/fail and quality elements and this approval lasted for 12 (or 24?) months. Now everyone has to complete all of the paperwork each time, making it an expensive business.

The more effort put into preparing a tender increases costs but improves the chance of getting a good quality score. This is worthwhile if you win, but a bit of a bummer if SBC decides to cancel the scheme altogether due to poor planning, a minor discrepancy or incompetence.

Offline Geoff Reid

  • Twitter: @Geoff_Reid
  • Active But Odd
  • Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 10109
  • Gender: Male
  • Bald as a chimps arse
Re: West Swindon Skate Board Park
« Reply #151 on: March 15, 2015, 09:15:48 AM »
 
Quote
Coun Mick Bray (Con, Lydiard and Freshbrook) said the news had come as a surprise to councillors

Well, if we keep electing the intellectual equals of Tele-Tubbies to run the real-life version of La-La Land they probably exist in a state of perpetual shock and surprise :)

I understand that they're still reeling from the awful shock of discovering that the Church stones they purchased actually did cost a lot more than the two bottle-tops and a dustbin lid Cllr Blah promised and, despite paying Blah's mate 'Jack' many thousands of pounds for his expert mentoring, the church hasn't grown back after being planted in a Wroughton field...... :)