Author Topic: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds  (Read 11070 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline swindoncentric

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 208
Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« on: October 16, 2013, 09:59:44 AM »
The talk this morning on BBC Wiltshire was about the proposed changes to the kerbside waste and recycling collections, more details here http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10740201.Plans_to_charge_householders_for_green_waste_collection/

In a nutshell, recycling collections will go to fortnightly, collected on the same day as your wheelie bin and a new £35 annual charge will be introduced for green waste collection.

So you could have neighbours with this imbalance : the Joneses putting out a recycle box and bin once a fortnight, both of which are rarely full to the lid. And the Smiths who put out a fully-stuffed wheelie bin and three recycling boxes every fortnight. They both pay the same council tax, but the Joneses pay an extra £35 annually because their garden generates green garden waste.

I hear taking your green waste to Waterside will still be free, however the kerbside greenwaste collection is £35 and no exceptions. Hows that going to go down with all those pensioners who no longer drive and have well-trimmed gardens?

Could the grey-vote put the green waste plan charge in the black wheelie bin?

Don't forget, less service, but no council tax refund for the money saved.

To quote a fellow TS-er, "just empty the feckin bins" and don't charge me extra for basic sanitary services.

Or to put it another way, when did Swindon Borough Council turn into the Ryanair of local authorities? Nothing is included in the original price and soon you'll have to do self-service bin collections.



Offline Terry Reynolds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2743
  • Gender: Male
  • `13 years of lies lies, sleaze porn 10p fiascos, m
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 10:25:53 AM »
more bonfires me thinks......... :2funny:

Offline Jean

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 850
  • Gender: Female
    • Jefferies Land Conservation Trust
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 10:40:16 AM »
The talk this morning on BBC Wiltshire was about the proposed changes to the kerbside waste and recycling collections, more details here http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10740201.Plans_to_charge_householders_for_green_waste_collection/

In a nutshell, recycling collections will go to fortnightly, collected on the same day as your wheelie bin and a new £35 annual charge will be introduced for green waste collection.

So you could have neighbours with this imbalance : the Joneses putting out a recycle box and bin once a fortnight, both of which are rarely full to the lid. And the Smiths who put out a fully-stuffed wheelie bin and three recycling boxes every fortnight. They both pay the same council tax, but the Joneses pay an extra £35 annually because their garden generates green garden waste.

I hear taking your green waste to Waterside will still be free, however the kerbside greenwaste collection is £35 and no exceptions. Hows that going to go down with all those pensioners who no longer drive and have well-trimmed gardens?

Could the grey-vote put the green waste plan charge in the black wheelie bin?

Don't forget, less service, but no council tax refund for the money saved.

To quote a fellow TS-er, "just empty the feckin bins" and don't charge me extra for basic sanitary services.

Or to put it another way, when did Swindon Borough Council turn into the Ryanair of local authorities? Nothing is included in the original price and soon you'll have to do self-service bin collections.


This is how it works in the Vale of the White Horse District Council and in most local authority areas. I haven't heard anyone complain where I live in the Vale. The only difference is that we have wheelie bins for recyclables, green waste, and landfill waste and a little bin for kitchen waste (collected every week). I don't use the kitchen waste bin, I haven't subscribed to the green waste bin scheme (I compost everything) and my other bins are mostly empty. It's just one of those things that you accept in a community (that you pay the same for the service as others who use it more)  and imagine how complicated it would be if people were charged on the weight of their bins?

Live simply so that others might simply live

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 12:23:03 PM »
In my area of the Bramptons the wheelie bins and boxes are often lined up together and could cover up to four properties if I ever did it myself.  I never put out any recycling and have never used my waste bin.  I take it to Purton, where proper facilities for recycling exist and I don't have to queue up Channel Tunnel style like I would at Waterside.

My next door neighbour has regularly put out between six and eight bags of green waste which are always removed because eight divided by four does not exceed Fiouola's limit of four.  So how would the waste team know who put out what?

I for one will not be paying any surcharge and I suspect there will be a considerable increase in landfill waste and dumping if this is imposed.

Good old Swindon Borough Council acts before it engages with its Council Tax Payers.  Many will say enough is enough!!
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline the gorgon

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1412
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 12:23:46 PM »
I guess all the money that gets saved can be spent instead on going around Swindon and clearing sites that will get used for flytipping.

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 12:32:19 PM »
I guess all the money that gets saved can be spent instead on going around Swindon and clearing sites that will get used for flytipping.

Really Gorgon with 6% of the budget being spent on interest charges for the debt this lot have caused, I don't think so!!
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline the gorgon

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1412
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 03:09:05 PM »
Whatever the council thinks it can use the money for, I still think a sizeable chunk of the money "saved" is going to end up having to be spent on clearing various rear alleyways, green spaces and parks where flytipping happens.

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 03:38:14 PM »
Spot on Gorgon. A 'saving' which will obviously lead to a much greater social and financial cost in another area is no saving at all, is it?  :-\
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 05:40:58 PM »
Richard quote "I for one will not be paying any surcharge and I suspect there will be a considerable increase in landfill waste and dumping if this is imposed".

I agree Richard, dumping into open space and under hedgerows, I can guarantee that the councillors of Haydon Wick will be busy with that one.

If they have to bring in charge why not go back to before and charge a £1 a bag?   And will they then not have their contract with LEAVES for selling the risings?

Personally, I'll either get Mr Muggins to take it down the tip, whilst we still can, buy another compost bin for the garden, uproot everything that grows or maybe I might even start dumping it over the back fence - no one will ever know. 
Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Mart

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5249
  • Where's my cow?
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 06:51:35 PM »
Empty the feckin bins.

That there should be a manageable mission statement for a local authority.

Feck about with car parks seems, I dunno, less relevant.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 08:16:03 PM »
My green waste will be going in the wheelie bin from now on.

Glad I didn't opt for one of those half sized wheelie bins.

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 08:44:38 PM »
My green waste will be going in the wheelie bin from now on.

Interesting thought Spunky maybe I should commission my wheelie after all!!

and then it can go to landfill and negate any savings.

You know it makes sense :crazy2:
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline swindoncentric

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 208
Re: Less Service, Even More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 09:00:42 AM »
The cost of the green waste collection will be more.

You'll have to pay £35 for a green wheelie bin and a £35 annual charge for it to be emptied.

£70 for a service that is currently included in the council tax.

Rubbish.

Offline Terry Reynolds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2743
  • Gender: Male
  • `13 years of lies lies, sleaze porn 10p fiascos, m
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 09:15:59 AM »
Is that charge an option, or will it just be thrown into the council tax bill??>

Offline Rochelle

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 286
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 10:09:47 AM »
The flood wall has finally been completed and the fencing which has had my little corner of the world surrounded for the past year has been removed...cause for celebration!
However, the wall snakes round the back of our gardens and is nothing like we were promised, there's a surprise. So we now have a four foot wide strip between our fences and the wall which is already collecting rubbish and debris of all kinds. I have already been informed that the borough will not be maintaining it although it is borough land and have been told we can do what we like with it.
So...it is the perfect place for more compost bins, water butts and raised beds, even more cause for celebration! Every cloud and all that...

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 12:05:21 PM »
It is time to put up the Adver Report and its 39 comments which I will now do in two posts

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10740201.Plans_to_charge_householders_for_green_waste_collection/
Plans to charge householders for green waste collection

9:20am Wednesday 16th October 2013 in News By Emma Lidiard

The concil is considering charging for the collection of green waste
RECYCLING collections will change from weekly to fortnightly pick ups and residents will pay an annual charge for their green waste removal, if plans are given the go ahead.

On Wednesday, October 23 Swindon Council’s cabinet will vote on whether a consultation on refuse collections, which could save the authority £1m, should be launched.

Under the proposals, people’s recycling, which includes plastic, paper and tins, will be picked up once every two weeks – putting £520,000 back into the council’s kitty by reducing refuse vans and the amount of contractual staff paid for by the council.


And residents will no longer have green plastic bags for their green waste but will instead pay £35 for a wheelie bin and then an extra £35 annual fee to have their refuse collected. It is hoped this will claw back £635,000 for the council. The council collects 9,700 tonnes of green waste each year and 60 per cent of people use the service. The council expects that to initially drop to 15 per cent if the changes are brought it.

The leader of the council, David Renard, says the council has to make £48m savings in three years, which meant no service would be safe from cuts.

“We have been running an extremely good service, probably far superior to other councils,” he said. “Which was great when we could afford it.”

Since being introduced in 2006, the green waste has encountered a number of problems. Increasing demand and financial pressures have led to a four-bag limit per household.

Many residents have complained that this is insufficient and has added to the problem of bags splitting. The wheelie bins will be able to carry the equivalent of four or eight green bags. But residents can still use the council’s recycling centres free of charge.

Coun Richard Hurley, the cabinet member for public protection and streetSmart, said the changes would have minimal impact, as research has revealed a lot of residents did not realise their boxes were collected on a weekly basis.

Household waste will be picked up on the same day as all other refuse – resulting in fewer vehicles and fewer contractors being paid for by the authority. It will also reduce the need for the council to use 19 agency workers a year.

“A lot of the boxes were not used to their full capacity,” said Coun Hurley. “These changes would mean residents can basically put everything out for collection on the same day, rather than keeping track of alternate weeks for certain types of recycling, such as plastics.

“We remain committed to encouraging people to recycle as much as possible, and these proposed changes are in keeping with how other councils across the country already operate.”

If the plans get the go ahead the changes will come into effect in February and the green waste scheme on April 1.


I don't know who is proof reading the Adver these days but Concil is a bit basic isn't it?

One question that springs to mind is just how many Green Bins will they need to order because as they have no idea how many people will take this up or ignore it they will have to guess won't they?

And the trouble is there is already too much guess work and not enough decision making on the basis of hard facts already.  Still never mind it doesn't how much mess this lot create the Council Tax Payer of Swindon will pick up the bill!!

I will post the comments on the next post.
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline Tobes

  • Regents
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4951
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 12:13:05 PM »
Can I make a request?

Just provide a link to the comments so we can read them in full - or just cut out some of the choicest ones or make a summary. There's no need to re-post them all. The Adver comments section is dominated by a lot of sock-puppets and particularly weird and unpleasant individuals, and besides which, comments made there belong to (and ought to be administered and moderated) by The Adver!

The nicest thing about TS is that we're for the most part, well above the level of comment on the adver - even when we're at each other's throats.

Lets keep a degree of intellectual apartheid. Just a suggestion, not a dig.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2013, 12:17:57 PM »
Now the comments!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10740201.Plans_to_charge_householders_for_green_waste_collection/
Comments (39)

Sort comments by 
9:34am Wed 16 Oct 13
mallorca says...

Swindon wake up,look at other countries?????
Here in Port De Soller mallorca we get collections 6 days a week with exception of Spanish Festivals.OK we may pay a little more than UK but our coastal village is perfect as is most locals on our island.
Just cannot believe what I seen when I was last over so sad as the Town was a super place to live.
Maybe these councellers should look at there pay outs and for them to make cuts
Score: 13
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
9:35am Wed 16 Oct 13
Nikki Nythe says...

Excuse me, that's what I pay council tax for!
P*** off, stop paying your self for useless meetings!

I expect a full cut in council tax if these come into force, otherwise I am not paying!

STOP TAKING THE P&&S Swindon council.
Score: 27
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
9:43am Wed 16 Oct 13
Laneylane says...

and what about those of us that don't have any green waste? My gardens are all paved and decked with no trees, bushes or shrubs!
Score: 1
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:05am Wed 16 Oct 13
Al Smith says...

How much will cleaning-up all the resultant fly-tipped garden waste cost?

Fly-tipping of garden waste happens now and I dread to think how bad it'll get if this measure is introduced.
Score: 21
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:10am Wed 16 Oct 13
nobody says...

What a complete joke, their supposed to encourage recycling not discourage it.
Free to use recycling centre, except for six months of the year it closes at 4pm, not much good for people who work for a living.
They seem to be living in a dream world and they actually think residents are going to like fewer collections, what are they on.
Score: 20
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:12am Wed 16 Oct 13
Spurs Fan says...

We have had a council tax freeze for three years, this charge is a result of falling revenue in real terms. What we have here is a council tax rise by the back door!
Score: 19
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »

10:19am Wed 16 Oct 13
Dosomethingmutley says...

Laneylane wrote:
and what about those of us that don't have any green waste? My gardens are all paved and decked with no trees, bushes or shrubs!
In that case you don't purchase a £35 wheelie bin and you don't pay a £35 collection charge, so zero impact on you for your zero waste.
As for me, I am not one of the "lot" of residents and I do put my recycling box out weekly. This was the main reason given by the council for changing to fortnightly collection of general rubbish.
Next it will be charging for plastic collection, at which point all my rubbish will become "general" and go in my wheelie bin.
Score: 13
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:33am Wed 16 Oct 13
Wildwestener says...

This is a complete disgrace. Getting our recycling collected weekly is pretty much all you get as a Council Tax payer for your money. I appreciate that money is tight but I am sick and tired of those who pay having to meet the costs of those who can't or don't and us getting nothing much for our money.

If this move goes ahead, any Councillor or party who votes for it can stick my vote up their backside. Complete joke.
Score: 20
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:53am Wed 16 Oct 13
rixon says...

Get over it you "mealy mouthed" complainers what do you want children services cut, adult services cut or a minimal payment for a green "wheelie bin".
Try living in a different council area and pay twice as much in council tax.
Score: -25
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:54am Wed 16 Oct 13
Davey Gravey says...

The whole point of weekly re-cycling collections was to offset the fortnightly refuse collections. It is a system that works but going fortnightly will not. My family of 4 fills our 2 boxes weekly and i'm assuming so do others too.
The green waste will just get dumped if the charges come in for that.

Where are all the Tory councillors and their supporters telling us how great they are not raising council tax? The reality is that they've been cutting services and sacking hardworking staff. The guys collecting our rubbish are prime examples.
Score: 18
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
11:33am Wed 16 Oct 13
Robh says...

Of course austerity measures do not include councils, water companies or energy companies. They just keep putting prices up beyond reason regardless of peoples ability to pay and then have the cheek to charge extra to cover for the ones who can't pay.

Every household in this country (apart from bankers) have to work within a budget so why can't the councils etc.. The answer is there is no real competition.
Score: 7
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
11:38am Wed 16 Oct 13
Davey Gravey says...

rixon wrote:
Get over it you "mealy mouthed" complainers what do you want children services cut, adult services cut or a minimal payment for a green "wheelie bin".
Try living in a different council area and pay twice as much in council tax.
In case you haven't noticed those services have been hammered by cuts too.
Score: 9
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
11:47am Wed 16 Oct 13
Morsey says...

Can't see why this is helping society improve hygiene, okay it's outlay, but for goodness sake, garbage, and especially recycled garbage should not be reduced but aided more!

I want to know the Labour party stand on this one as they seem to be shoulder to shoulder with these tw@ts in charge now on so many cuts that have been made?

The Tories are taking this country back to the Middle Ages and locally they are well and truly doing their bit!

When are dog owners going to have to pay towards the sh1t that their animals are depositing all over the town, both in red bins and on the pavements and parkland? Residents tending their green space is no different Mr Hurley, we all pay towards others' costs?
Score: 5
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
11:58am Wed 16 Oct 13
dc the 2nd says...

This sounds just like our situation here in Cotswold District, we get recycling picked up every 2 weeks (albeit in bigger containers) and pay £40 a year for a green waste weekly collection. Its a slippery slope.
Score: 6
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:01pm Wed 16 Oct 13
themoonraker says...

....council has to make savings,.....blah, blah, blah.
I am of an age that remembers when councillors did the job for the good of the community and were not paid extortinate expenses and attendance monies.
How about our councillors set an example and take their snouts out of the trough......how much money would that save?.....perhaps they could re-invest these savings into council services?
Of course that's a stupid suggestion, our councillors (like all others in the UK), appear to actually only care about how much money they can pocket for attending meetings without actually caring a jot about the people they represent or the real needs of the community.
I can already hear the indignation from all their mealy mouths......'nobody does something for nothing, nowadays'........sor
ry lads/lasses it's called voulenteering, so why don't you follow suit?
Score: 10
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:02pm Wed 16 Oct 13
A.Baron-Cohen says...

The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Score: -24
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:07pm Wed 16 Oct 13
old town robin says...

rixon wrote:
Get over it you "mealy mouthed" complainers what do you want children services cut, adult services cut or a minimal payment for a green "wheelie bin".
Try living in a different council area and pay twice as much in council tax.
This proposal has just not been thought through by our councillors. As Al Smith said it will lead to fly tipping or bonfires vall over the place, Everything that effects re-cycling will become general, which won't bother the council too much because they heap it al together anyway before they take it to the land fills.

As for you Rixon, what services do you think would be cut that has not been already? As a pensioner I still have to find £1,690 per annum council tax and I don't think I get value for money now, so where do you suggest I should I go and live where I will pay twice as much. As most garden waste is produced in the summer, I think the council get away with plenty, especially as where I live the fortnightly collections have been missed on many occasions.
Score: 5
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:07pm Wed 16 Oct 13
The Black Hand says...

All my Green waste goes in my compost bin
Score: 3
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:23pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Davey Gravey says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
I don't use services for the elderly or disabled etc,etc,etc. Should they pay for that as well?
It's part of being in a society that word Tories hate.
Score: 10
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:43pm Wed 16 Oct 13
deepimpact says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Fine, then start charging everyone for all the services they actually use - I would save a fortune, as I use very few council services provided.
Score: 2
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:46pm Wed 16 Oct 13
speaker2 says...

I gave up on using the refuse collection for recycling years ago and now do it all my self, But will the council give me a refund on the Tax I pay because I am not using the service, will they hell
Score: 6
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:48pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Spurs Fan says...

Far too many Councillors in Swindon, three in every ward I believe. Take a lead and cut it to two representatives per ward. Stop paying directors more than the prime minister. Maximum £100,000 PA for top employees. Stop employing consultants as well. Increase council tax inline with inflation each year and deliver services that make sense to people. Forget grandiose schemes like the bloody fountain in the town centre and pick up our waste and recycling on time.
Score: 13
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
12:56pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Spurs Fan says...

One more thing how much money has been wasted by Swindon Borough Council outsourcing Swindon Commercial Services (The people responsible for waste and recycling) three years ago, only to have it bought back under council control next April? You would think the Adver would be investigating this as a matter of concern.
Score: 11
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
1:04pm Wed 16 Oct 13
A.Baron-Cohen says...

deepimpact wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Fine, then start charging everyone for all the services they actually use - I would save a fortune, as I use very few council services provided.
I would be more than happy to be charged for only the services that I use, in fact the great majority of the hard working people in Swindon would be better off.........
Score: -4
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
1:31pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Bobfm , says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
deepimpact wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Fine, then start charging everyone for all the services they actually use - I would save a fortune, as I use very few council services provided.
I would be more than happy to be charged for only the services that I use, in fact the great majority of the hard working people in Swindon would be better off.........
Survival of the fattest, sorry, fittest? I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder?

What a sad, selfish view of society
Score: 7
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
1:57pm Wed 16 Oct 13
house on the hill says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Taxation isnt about getting back what you put in!!! If it was the Richard Branson would get a 6 figure pension when he retires. The same stupid argument for why should a couple in a 5 bed house pay double the council tax of a family of 5 in a 3 bed semi who will clearly use up more council services!

Taxation is about the rich subsidising the poor and always has been. And agree with the poster who said the reason the council are so inefficient is because that have no competition for their services so why bother to work hard and be efficient when you dont have to! Complacency is the middle name of most council staff and "the customer comes last" is the first name of many too, never met such a lazy useless bunch in all my working life, the vast majority wouldnt last a month in the private sector ( as some try and then go back when it all goes wrong!)
Score: 8
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
2:19pm Wed 16 Oct 13
A.Baron-Cohen says...

Bobfm , wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
deepimpact wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Fine, then start charging everyone for all the services they actually use - I would save a fortune, as I use very few council services provided.
I would be more than happy to be charged for only the services that I use, in fact the great majority of the hard working people in Swindon would be better off.........
Survival of the fattest, sorry, fittest? I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder?

What a sad, selfish view of society
Green waste collection is not an essential service to the community, if people have a garden and can take care of planting and moving, surely they can pop to the recycling centre themselves or pay for the collection.
They have purchased the plants, trees, bushes so it is clearly the responsibility of the gardeners to deal with the upkeep of their plants.
This has nothing to do with I am alright Jack.....this is about taking ownership and be responsible for your own actions/decisions.
Score: -8
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
2:53pm Wed 16 Oct 13
bradley red 1 says...

Robbing bastxxxx! just where does this tax money go???? more,more,more!!disg
race.
Score: 5
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
3:38pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Blackmalkin says...

Fly tipping ahoy!

It's not very environmentally friendly to drive 15 miles to the tip and back and queue for half an hour with the engine running, even if everyone had time to waste.
Score: 10
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
4:16pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Trend says...

Hmm can't say I'm surprised. Many surrounding Councils already charge for this service, and in fact didn't ever introduce a free service.

I can live with 2 weekly recycling collection, but are SBC going to supply all households with extra boxes? We fill ours every week, no way we would get 2 weeks worth in there. You can't even take the extra to skips in car parks as a lot of them were removed because the kerb side collections were so successful they weren't being used anymore!
Score: 6
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
4:32pm Wed 16 Oct 13
EmmBee says...

Wonder if you can flush grass clippings down the loo.....
Score: 4
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
5:53pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Ringer says...

Davey Gravey wrote:
rixon wrote:
Get over it you "mealy mouthed" complainers what do you want children services cut, adult services cut or a minimal payment for a green "wheelie bin".
Try living in a different council area and pay twice as much in council tax.
In case you haven't noticed those services have been hammered by cuts too.
Socialist, pro-Labour lies.

Even your left wing friends at the BBC widely reported the recent ICM poll that was conducted earlier this month:


9 October 2013

Many people in the UK think the quality of public services overall have been maintained or improved in the past five years despite government cuts, a poll for the BBC suggests.

More of the people surveyed feel bin collections, parks and libraries, schools and bus services have improved than those who think they are worse.

Today's poll by ICM suggests six out of 10 people think service quality has been maintained or improved.


That's the reality, Mr Gravey. You'll have to try harder if you want anyone to vote Labour again.
Score: -1
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
7:09pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Davey Gravey says...

Ringer wrote:
Davey Gravey wrote:
rixon wrote:
Get over it you "mealy mouthed" complainers what do you want children services cut, adult services cut or a minimal payment for a green "wheelie bin".
Try living in a different council area and pay twice as much in council tax.
In case you haven't noticed those services have been hammered by cuts too.
Socialist, pro-Labour lies.

Even your left wing friends at the BBC widely reported the recent ICM poll that was conducted earlier this month:


9 October 2013

Many people in the UK think the quality of public services overall have been maintained or improved in the past five years despite government cuts, a poll for the BBC suggests.

More of the people surveyed feel bin collections, parks and libraries, schools and bus services have improved than those who think they are worse.

Today's poll by ICM suggests six out of 10 people think service quality has been maintained or improved.


That's the reality, Mr Gravey. You'll have to try harder if you want anyone to vote Labour again.
Services in Swindon have been cut. That isn't lies. It's a stone cold fact. This site is full of articles showing where.
Score: 3
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
8:12pm Wed 16 Oct 13
peewee says...

why do we have to pay for this service, surely we can use the recycling centre if we want to , this is seriously getting worse and worse in this town, well im sure there will be a lot of people complaining about this, people do not need to be forced to pay for something we do not want to pay for
Score: 1
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
8:44pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Dosomethingmutley says...

peewee wrote:
why do we have to pay for this service, surely we can use the recycling centre if we want to , this is seriously getting worse and worse in this town, well im sure there will be a lot of people complaining about this, people do not need to be forced to pay for something we do not want to pay for
You don't HAVE to pay, it's an optional scheme being proposed, either use the recycling centre for free, OR pay £35 for a wheelie bin and another £35 if you use it.

The main issue is the removal of the weekly recycling box collection. On reflection I think that it will work fine, as long as more than 1 orange box is provided.
My green waste will be taken to the tip, just as I did prior to 2006 when the scheme started.
Score: 0
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
9:44pm Wed 16 Oct 13
wa231 says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Houses with gardens are in higher bands, so they already pay more council tax. Very disappointing that Swindon is going for bin blight by putting more even more of these hideous wheeled bins into circulation. Of course not all of the recycling boxes are not full, but for families who can barely manage the with fortnightly black bin collections they are a necessity.
Score: 2
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:02pm Wed 16 Oct 13
Ellofolks says...

Gotta save money for the SBC gold plated pensions.
Score: 2
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:06pm Wed 16 Oct 13
wa231 says...

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
Bobfm , wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
deepimpact wrote:
A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
The great majority of people do not have a garden and pay the full council tax, garden collections are extra service provided to a minority.
On the basis that the users should be the payers, the green waste collection charge is fair.
Fine, then start charging everyone for all the services they actually use - I would save a fortune, as I use very few council services provided.
I would be more than happy to be charged for only the services that I use, in fact the great majority of the hard working people in Swindon would be better off.........
Survival of the fattest, sorry, fittest? I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder?

What a sad, selfish view of society
Green waste collection is not an essential service to the community, if people have a garden and can take care of planting and moving, surely they can pop to the recycling centre themselves or pay for the collection.
They have purchased the plants, trees, bushes so it is clearly the responsibility of the gardeners to deal with the upkeep of their plants.
This has nothing to do with I am alright Jack.....this is about taking ownership and be responsible for your own actions/decisions.
Nor is the £9k they paid out last month to Barry Collings Entertainment for various acts who performed at Retro Fever. If 60% use the service and it costs £635k per year it is probably far better value than all the money spent on concerts, festivals and leisure centres.
Score: 1
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
10:46pm Wed 16 Oct 13
wa231 says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Robbing bastxxxx! just where does this tax money go???? more,more,more!!disg

Score: 1
Like
Dislike
Quote »
Report this post »
Post a comment



Increasing number of comments about the Cost of Councillors!!  Are they value for money?  On the basis of Council and the state of Swindon NO NO and NO again!!!

So what are we collectively going to do about it?  I know what I am going to do.
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline Richard Symonds

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4024
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2013, 12:22:24 PM »
Can I make a request?

Just provide a link to the comments so we can read them in full - or just cut out some of the choicest ones or make a summary. There's no need to re-post them all. The Adver comments section is dominated by a lot of sock-puppets and particularly weird and unpleasant individuals, and besides which, comments made there belong to (and ought to be administered and moderated) by The Adver!

The nicest thing about TS is that we're for the most part, well above the level of comment on the adver - even when we're at each other's throats.

Lets keep a degree of intellectual apartheid. Just a suggestion, not a dig.

Well I have done it now Tobes and as you know it doesn't take five minutes.

Quite honestly I don't have the time or the inclination to edit them.  It is up to the individual to read them all or just skimp through them.  What I choose as relevant may not be everyone's choice and as for the quality, yes the level of debate is inferior to TS but then it is nice to see that in all its glory.

If a number of people share your opinion I will save my time and energies for other things next time.
All my posts are my own opinion and do not represent any political organization or group

Offline Muggins

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8535
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2013, 05:53:44 PM »
Rochelle Quote: "The flood wall has finally been completed and the fencing which has had my little corner of the world surrounded for the past year has been removed...cause for celebration!
However, the wall snakes round the back of our gardens and is nothing like we were promised, there's a surprise. So we now have a four foot wide strip between our fences and the wall which is already collecting rubbish and debris of all kinds. I have already been informed that the borough will not be maintaining it although it is borough land and have been told we can do what we like with it.
So...it is the perfect place for more compost bins, water butts and raised beds, even more cause for celebration! Every cloud and all that..."


I had the pleasure of riding along there this morning, and from the trolley could not see over it, let alone the brook. I remarked to No 1 granddaughter that I had seen less stout sea walls, and her answer was that the Hoover Dam wasn't so thick!  I can see much unpleasantness going on along it's length.

One point, how much do we all contribute towards the collection of the clinical waste that is Dog Pooh?  I don't have a dog!

Richard, I agree with Tobes, just the link to the Adver will do and for the same reasons.
Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2013, 08:16:00 PM »
One question that springs to mind is just how many Green Bins will they need to order because as they have no idea how many people will take this up or ignore it they will have to guess won't they?

Talking of guesswork, this is my prediction:-

SBC will over estimate the number of people taking up the paid service and under estimate the amount of fly tipping and land fill costs. They will claim to have made a huge efficiency saving and will pat themselves on the back in advance.

Actual revenue will be less than expected and costs will be greater. Savings will fail to materialise.

Next year, SBC will re-introduce green waste collections and will under estimate costs and over estimate savings. They will claim to have made a huge efficiency saving and will pat themselves on the back in advance.

Offline Spunkymonkey

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 999
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2013, 08:21:44 PM »
Richard, I agree with Tobes, just the link to the Adver will do and for the same reasons.

Me too. The comments tend to merge making it difficult to see who posted what.

Offline Simplest on

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1
  • Hello !
Re: Less Service, More Cost, No Refunds
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 10:32:41 PM »
Why do politicians, both local and national, ignore the wishes of people they represent?. We were asked for our input on the charges for waste.  I cab bet that no one agreed to it. It was probably already decided. So yet again we have further wasted tax payers money. The was then cost of printing the circulars, the cost of analysis by a council employee, just to appear that they were being democratic. So on top of the Swindon WiFi vanity project (did we want it?) the 16% increase to Senior Council Employees , the cost of the Police Commissioner and his entourage (did we want these posts?) and the recent transfer of front line Council Tax jobs to Capita PLc , who will certainly cost us more than did the front line operation. It is funny that private industry has moved to flat organisation structures, reducing management cost, is getting paid for waste being removed while both national governments increase their costs, grow  armies of inefficient staff and demand increases in salary while not performing.  At my home in Europe, my bins are emptied every evening, green waste is removed, every week, police tour my neighbour hood and respond to calls and all for 200 euro per annum.

I think it is time for a change in politics in the UK. Those affiliated to Tories, Labour and Liberal continue to fail. It is time for a return to democracy where WE ARE able to select representatives who will represent us not their political party.