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Offline Muggins

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I do hnderstand accounts and apportioning of cost.

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Give SBC a bell then, I think there's a vacancy.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

Offline Richard Symonds

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I do hnderstand accounts and apportioning of cost.

do you have an Indian qualification then M?

of course there is one thing understanding accounts and another interpreting them!

and have you offered your help to the Dome, I understand it is in financial difficulties yet again and is this the third time?
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Usually when a contract is written between the voluntary/community sector and the Borough, it's the borough that writes it - because the voluntary community groups simply can't afford, nor get funded to employ lawyers, despite them being highly recommended when it comes to contracts.  So if the Leisure service went that way, the borough could/would write their own, which of course they would anyway, being the 'owners' of the properties.

The council will write the contract and no doubt attempt to write it in their favour. However, an experienced contractor/service provider will always run rings around them.

SBC wrote and signed up to a 10 year contract with Capita. This would have been the first contract of this type ever written by SBC staff, but Capita management will have seen hundreds of similar of contracts. Capita's bid team will be much larger and more experienced that SBC's procurement team. Is it any surprise that Capita are in the driving seat.

Another problem with long hastily and/or badly written contracts is lack of competition. Tenderers will have to be competitive to win the original contract, but when the borough realise that it isn't quite what they intended and try to change things, the contractor will be in a very strong position and will control the renegotiation without any competition. 




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Usually when a contract is written between the voluntary/community sector and the Borough, it's the borough that writes it - because the voluntary community groups simply can't afford, nor get funded to employ lawyers, despite them being highly recommended when it comes to contracts.  So if the Leisure service went that way, the borough could/would write their own, which of course they would anyway, being the 'owners' of the properties.

The council will write the contract and no doubt attempt to write it in their favour. However, an experienced contractor/service provider will always run rings around them.

SBC wrote and signed up to a 10 year contract with Capita. This would have been the first contract of this type ever written by SBC staff, but Capita management will have seen hundreds of similar of contracts. Capita's bid team will be much larger and more experienced that SBC's procurement team. Is it any surprise that Capita are in the driving seat.

Another problem with long hastily and/or badly written contracts is lack of competition. Tenderers will have to be competitive to win the original contract, but when the borough realise that it isn't quite what they intended and try to change things, the contractor will be in a very strong position and will control the renegotiation without any competition.

Precis:

The Council - members and officers - are out of their depth when it comes to negotiation.

Why does the episode of the Simpsons when the monorail salesman comes to Springfield spring to mind?

Something has to change. Doesn't Swindon deserve better?

Offline Richard Symonds

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I agree with what you both say so where do we go from here then?

What are our options and is it even sensible to consider the privatization of Leisure Services?
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Offline bobwright

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Mick - I hope the Link is ok it is Milton Road baths where the real problem lies.

Not sure what deep meaningful figures everyone has seen, they did not appear at Cabinet. The lack of detail has been criticized and councillors are meant to seek them out rather than being presented. Commercial reasons again I think.

The council has had many agreements with organisations prior to Capita but not of the same size.

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I do hnderstand accounts and apportioning of cost.

do you have an Indian qualification then M?

of course there is one thing understanding accounts and another interpreting them!

and have you offered your help to the Dome, I understand it is in financial difficulties yet again and is this the third time?

Oh for goodness sake Richard stop being so blessed picky - sometimes I use my tablet or phone and I am sure you can perfectly well understand what I'm saying, even if it's not perfectly typed or in perfect English.
It's the fact that you can't be bothered to read it that's the problem and I sense more than a little irritation that I even have the audacity to take part in the debate.

I am quite capable of understanding accounts and given a little time and concentration interpreting them. I must admit a little difficulty with those prepared for Companies House, because they have to be done in a certain way,  but I can still work them out with a bit of quiet and study. I much prefer to be compiling them than looking at others work.  I won't bore every one here with my CV.

It's a great shame that the Dome is floundering again, but that's up to the people of Walcot and 'doing the accounts' is not raising the funds - although I could probably help them with that too come to think of it. Supporting them in saving that centre for the community would be better than griping at them for not being able too, it's not the easiest job for volunteers however clever they are.
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I liked most of The Dome but found the ending a bit wishy washy, I am hoping the TV adaptation does a slightly better, if unfaithful, job.

When it comes to the leisure facility I always wonder how things can be flogged or hived off to the private sector so easily.

There's never enough consideration or respect given to the present owner. It's like coming home one day and finding SBC has sold my house because it cost too much too empty my bins.

When they can be arsed and they are not preoccupied with a 1734 byelaw which contends bearded men have to leave meetings concerned with planning permissions for barber shops, the worry being the precise status of bearded ladies when it comes to a vote.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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When they can be arsed and they are not preoccupied with a 1734 byelaw which contends bearded men have to leave meetings concerned with planning permissions for barber shops, the worry being the precise status of bearded ladies when it comes to a vote.

Sorry Mart, but I don't like being the one to correct you in respect of the constitutional rules. It is in fact one from 1864 and it is that men have to be bearded to hold any high political office  the longer and grander the beard the higher the office. This is easily ascertained look at photos and marble busts of male politician heads from those times. There are no women politicians from then as they were not allowed to vote :-\
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I do hnderstand accounts and apportioning of cost.

do you have an Indian qualification then M?

of course there is one thing understanding accounts and another interpreting them!

and have you offered your help to the Dome, I understand it is in financial difficulties yet again and is this the third time?

Oh for goodness sake Richard stop being so blessed picky - sometimes I use my tablet or phone and I am sure you can perfectly well understand what I'm saying, even if it's not perfectly typed or in perfect English.
It's the fact that you can't be bothered to read it that's the problem and I sense more than a little irritation that I even have the audacity to take part in the debate.

I am quite capable of understanding accounts and given a little time and concentration interpreting them. I must admit a little difficulty with those prepared for Companies House, because they have to be done in a certain way,  but I can still work them out with a bit of quiet and study. I much prefer to be compiling them than looking at others work.  I won't bore every one here with my CV.

It's a great shame that the Dome is floundering again, but that's up to the people of Walcot and 'doing the accounts' is not raising the funds - although I could probably help them with that too come to think of it. Supporting them in saving that centre for the community would be better than griping at them for not being able too, it's not the easiest job for volunteers however clever they are.

M I am at a loss to understand why you would take my comments and questions so personally?  If I have caused offence I apologize, but the first comment was a bit of fun (a la Mart), the second is a statement which shows everything is open to interpretation (now where have you heard that before?) and the third was a question.

We all know your contribution to TS @ 7298 posts dwarfs mine @ a mere 3450!
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Why does the episode of the Simpsons when the monorail salesman comes to Springfield spring to mind?

That episode reminds me of when the free Wi-Fi salesman came to town. Doh!

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Why does the episode of the Simpsons when the monorail salesman comes to Springfield spring to mind?

That episode reminds me of when the free Wi-Fi salesman came to town. Doh!

Now Wi-fi, there's the question!!

Brian Cockbill, as the video will show, asked a question about the Wi-fi report, agreed to presented at Scrutiny some twelve months ago, and guess what he was referred back to Scrutiny!! 

Musical chairs or worthy of a sitcom?

and they wonder why the public are so pissed with them!!
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Brian Cockbill, as the video will show, asked a question about the Wi-fi report, agreed to presented at Scrutiny some twelve months ago, and guess what he was referred back to Scrutiny!! 

If this is ever debated at cabinet, will Perkins (as a director) follow labour's example, declare a pecuniary interest and leave the room?

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« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2016, 10:04:16 PM »

Not expecting this to be a surprise to anybody.
The Health Hydro at Milton Road now undergoing a demise in status.
Closure of the small pool will be just the beginning.

The reputation of GLL comes to the fore once again
www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14387642.Hundreds_call_for_Health_Hydro_decision_to_be_reversed/
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I do find it difficult to believe that it can't be kept open in this day and age, our forefathers managed to keep it open through two world wards, depressions and a few  times of austerity.

Though I understand the small baths - or was it the large ones? where shut throughout the winter months and turned into a ballroom and skating rink. 

All I can think is that they have gotten into 'close it' mode and have no personal interest in keeping it open.

I'm asking what is our council going to be there for, when all is handed out to private or parish and all they have to look to is welfare? Might as well hand that over to the Health service and be done, then there would be no need or work for councillors.
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I have no doubt that many will be deeply offended, shocked, angry, disappointed, etc about the latest plan to start converting the historic health hydro into flats.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14988638.Health_Hydro_could_be_gutted_inside_to_make_way_for_flats/?action=success#comment_17565947

SBC have taken themselves to another all time low by allowing/encouraging this situation.

I would also envisage TalkSwindon rising out of the ashes and returning to it's glorious days of deep discussions and high activities.

If TalkSwindon doesn't get active with this latest bombshell could I once more suggest that it might be due to tech issues....

Whenever I use my phone to log in to TS lately my browser completes the search for me from my search history.

All perfectly normal.

Trouble is, if I click on the link provided, I end up with a blank Tapatalk page with no functions to get to TS.

This could be a tech issue that's preventing many of the previous users from logging in.

Does anyone regulate this site anymore?
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Some cynics may not be surprised to learn that there is a teeny weeny chance that SBC may not have been totally innocent when plans were being made to convert the historic health hydro and a large part of national heritage into flats

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15011934.Council__knew_of_controversial_Hydro_flat_plans_/

THE council was involved in discussions about turning part of the Health Hydro into flats before news of the plans broke last month, according to a claim by GLL.

The man in charge of delivering the firm’s vision for leisure in the town said that Swindon Borough Council encouraged the company, which owns the building, to “float” the idea, but after doing so they have been left to take the blame.
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Nothing but nothing ever surprises me now about this council, if you read the letters page in the adver today, thee is a letter from Mr Kane about the precept charges, and I wonder if the people of Swindon realise that when everybody in the town is paying the new parish precept charges, the council will still be taking the non parish precept payment, yes they have reduced it to £25.45, but from April, everybody in the town, not just the non parish old wards, will be paying it!!, time for people to stand up and say enough is enough, Don't pay and let them take us all to court, perhaps in about 20 years time you might just have your day in court... :WTF:

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It does make me wonder if everyone pays their council tax.

All I see in Swindon is more houses being built. The owners of each one of those houses is supposed to be paying council tax for ten months of the year, so the council gets a growing amount of money each year.
I also see businesses around Swindon going bust, and they always appear to say it's down to business rates - even though they've had customers queuing at their checkouts. You don't see this happening in other towns on the same scale.
Yet our council say they have no money.
So where does it all go? I can't believe all of it goes on Wifi schemes, temporary roofs and Big Weekends.
Is it possible that half the households in Swindon do not pay their council tax? Or does all the money go to planning firms?
It would also seem we don't have the money to build a useless new road which will cause even more traffic congestion, however I imagine the housing developers will see to it that the road is built in time just so they can redevelop the land on either side.