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Tadpole Lane development to start??
« on: September 06, 2013, 09:46:35 AM »
I see a Public Notice in the Adver last evening (can't find it anywhere online) about the hedgerows at Tadpole Farm.  Some are to be taken out and others netted to make sure birds don't nest there next season. 

Netted?  Who is going to be checking that then, because it's just as likely to kill them as to stop them.

In the recent wildlife programme on BBC, the group from the nearby Thames Water Lagoon, were carrying out research and I can't say that I approved of the way they were catching birds in the netting and then tagging and recording - unless someone is on site and patrolling the netting, I would think it was a very cruel way indeed.  I take it that birds are left dangling until someone gets around to freeing them up.

Bloody developers.  No doubt being in done in conjunction and with the approval of a wildlife organisation or two who gladly accept a wadge of funding to not object.   


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Re: Tadpole Lane development to start??
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 04:46:53 PM »
Two good reasons why SBC should pay attention to the Natural Environment etc. etc.

Natural Environment and Rural Communities bill  -2005   

Clause 40 places a DUTY on every public authority to have appropriate regard to the purpose of conserving biodiversity.............Conserving biodiversity includes, in relation to a living organism or type of habitat, restoring or enhancing a population or habitat.

SBC Corporate Environmental Strategy - a report to the Cabinet on 10th November 2004. Policy statement reads.

We will seek to ensure that our Policies, procedures and working practices minimise harm to the environment and indeed seek to improve the quality of life and the environment for everyone living and working in Swindon.
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Re: Tadpole Lane development to start??
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2013, 09:54:33 PM »

Any evidence to suggest SBC is meeting any of those aims?


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Re: Tadpole Lane development to start??
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 01:59:51 AM »

Any evidence to suggest SBC is meeting any of those aims?


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Re: Tadpole Lane development to start??
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 08:27:57 AM »
"We will seek to ensure that our Policies, procedures and working practices minimise harm to the environment and indeed seek to improve the quality of life and the environment for everyone living and working in Swindon."

Wildlife apart,  I'm struggling to see how they can be, on all levels, meeting their own aims.
This sentence just about covers all aspects of life in Swindon.

With regard to wildlife and that bird netting thing, I suppose they could say, "Well, we have saved SOME of the hedgerows"  but we all know why they are netting the rest, so that no nesting bird can hold up the development. 

I've just worked out what that big explosion yesterday lunchtime might have been - frightening anything roosting there, prior to putting the netting on. 

Because 7F's was an urban site, we had people dog walking, photographers etc. patrolling it all times of the night and day, we had a network of  phoner-inners to alert us so that we could start any action straight away.  The birds and other wildlife at Tadpole Farm might not/will not have that benefit. 

We learned the policies, planning requirements and where ever possible kept them to it.

Both the bill and that policy statement is less than ten years old - so much for strategic thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 01:14:08 PM »
"We will seek to ensure that our Policies, procedures and working practices minimise harm to the environment and indeed seek to improve the quality of life and the environment for everyone living and working in Swindon."

Seeking ain't finding, and it's difficult to measure how hard someone is doing something like 'seeking'. Some have trouble 'seeking' their arse with both hands, when it suits.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 05:34:35 PM »
Yes Mart, you are right, seeking ain't finding, but it does commit to blessed trying to find! 

The  whole point, I would have thought - and keep hoping is to attract you to their policies, to 'engage' you in the process and therefore a sort of oath of good conduct........

If it means anything else then it should not be said , the words without the intention to follow through is tantamount to fraud and deception.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 01:02:24 PM »
Defender of truth and justice is back amongst us. This time something very very nasty has dropped onto the good citizens of North Swindon. Not satisfied with getting planning permission to build 1700 houses on Tadpole Farm, with the collusion of the council, Crest have decided that they want to renege on some of the planning conditions imposed on them. Specifically now they don't want to build the Northern link road to the A419 to take construction traffic in and out of the development during the build programme which wil last many years. Removing this condition will mean all traffic including the heavy trucks using Tadpole Lane and surrounding roads. Roads not suitable for this purpose. This condition was imposed on the basis of safety.

How many people are Crest willing to injure to increase their profits? :WTF:
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 04:32:58 PM »
All developers are willing to take the risk with a sacrificial life.   

Although they want to drop the road, it's whether the council will allow them - after making it a planning condition, then they shouldn't, so it becomes a council responsibility. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 09:53:07 AM »
All developers are willing to take the risk with a sacrificial life.   

Although they want to drop the road, it's whether the council will allow them - after making it a planning condition, then they shouldn't, so it becomes a council responsibility.

We've seen how the council take responsibility before. They approved the planning permission to build on Tadpole Farm and then ring their hands saying they had no choice. Basically if a developer says jump in the current environment then the Government and the councils say "how high?"
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 06:27:30 PM »
All developers are willing to take the risk with a sacrificial life.   

Although they want to drop the road, it's whether the council will allow them - after making it a planning condition, then they shouldn't, so it becomes a council responsibility.

We've seen how the council take responsibility before. They approved the planning permission to build on Tadpole Farm and then ring their hands saying they had no choice. Basically if a developer says jump in the current environment then the Government and the councils say "how high?"

Yes, that's the point I was clumsily making. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2013, 04:42:55 PM »
If politicians are against inappropriate development are they against inappropriate road development   :-\
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 11:20:21 PM »
Can anybody tell me how is it allowed that Crest Nicholson were allowed to put construction traffic on Tadpole Lane this morning when a Planning Condition of their planning permission requires them to complete the construction access route from the A419 via Ermin Street before starting any development at Tadpole Farm?

Any ideas?!?

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2013, 08:20:37 AM »
Point it out to whoever gave them the planning permission with the restrictions, and keep on at them. 

The developers will try it on, and keep trying it on. You may need a campaign to get road signs up etc.

Keep records, report regularly.  Get other to do the same.

Persimmon probably wasn't given permission, they are just ignoring their planning agreement. Or more likely the drivers sat nav on the day gives him different instructions. Very often these restriction are not fed down to the contractor. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2013, 09:20:05 AM »
Is this council granting itself or the developers planning consent to overturn the conditions the council placed on the development  :-\
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2013, 10:08:24 AM »
Oakhurst resident, have you asked the councillor for the area what is going on, if you speak to mollie whats her name, Im sure she will tell you what to do about the problem..

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2013, 10:18:18 AM »
Is this council granting itself or the developers planning consent to overturn the conditions the council placed on the development  :-\

It's always been the same Mickr, they work hard to put in restrictions on paper, then have no enforcement.  We have to be that enforcement, or at least alert them that it's going on and keep on at them.

To be honest, I don't think their heart is really in putting on restrictions, knowing full well they haven't the man power to do anything other than respond to complaints, even having a job finding the manpower to do it when complaints come in.

Might just as well stick our own signs up to say 'no development lorries this way'. Of course if we did, one authority or another would be knocking our door because we had contravened some by-law or the other. But then joe public is an easy target easily stopped. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2013, 01:45:35 PM »
Oakhurst resident, have you asked the councillor for the area what is going on, if you speak to mollie whats her name, Im sure she will tell you what to do about the problem..

 :spin:  The councillor will probably tell me that there is no choice because a school has to built on the land ready for next September...

At this point I will ask myself "why the indecent haste?" Why must we put lives at risk from construction traffic on inappropriate roads to build a school in such short timescale....Surely with North Swindon at over 10, 000 houses so far and counting and over many years in the making there are sufficient school places to cope in the next 12 months...God I mean you don't build that number of houses without factoring in need for adequate school places etc. I mean this is the United Kingdom... an advanced developed country. I am not a clever person like these councillors we pay for but I think I would have managed to think of that :uglystupid2:

But maybe I am giving our councillors the benefit of the doubt too much. Maybe they gave up thinking strategically a long time ago, even if they were capable of it in the first place. Perhaps they just spent the money that was supposed to be for North Swindon education on other pet projects and we are all in North Swindon now paying the price for their folly. This is why for the next few years we will have to sit in traffic jams on Tadpole Lane, Oakhurst Way and Thamesdown Drive... Enjoy everybody
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2013, 01:50:41 PM »
I wonder to myself also... what did the developer get in return for building an extra school on Tadpole Farm early before any houses were in the ground and sold. I mean they are not normally known for their altruism.

Maybe I should ask my councillor? Yes.... I am sure they have the answers....
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2013, 01:59:36 PM »
What's this...

A planning permission request has dropped through my little letterbox. How exciting. It's a bit early... Christmas is a few weeks away yet, but I have been good this year and I did send Santa my christmas list early.

It says the developer on Tadpole Farms wants to "remove" the planning permission condition to build the main contruction traffic route from A419 and Ermin Street and use Tadpole Lane instead. Supported by the council  :WTF: It looks like Crest got their Christmas list in earlier than me!!!!

Someone once told me if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a duck...

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