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Offline bobwright

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2013, 10:52:51 PM »
Kohima asking on this site? You can ask directly yourself.

It may have passed you by there was a Wifi debate based on no confidence in the leadership. We met, as previously, the barrier of commercial confidentiality, denying elected representatives access to relevant facts and open transparency. Rather than meeting this obstacle again a report has been requested on the more recent Wifi activity. This will be subject to scrutiny. I think the facts in the report may be more interesting than the conclusions.

I hope in the future  for the removal of transparency barriers caused by a relationship between the Public and Private sector. The view I  take is if a Private operation wants to work with a Public body it must agree to openness or not get the contract.

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2013, 06:03:44 AM »
I hope in the future  for the removal of transparency barriers caused by a relationship between the Public and Private sector. The view I  take is if a Private operation wants to work with a Public body it must agree to openness or not get the contract.

It sounds to me as if this makes the FOI legislation redundant. Wouldn't it be interestingly simple to if a future government commits to extending the FOI legislation to private companies arms length companies and to social enterprises carrying out contracts in the public sector  :-\
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2013, 07:20:45 AM »
Bob, the council leader was on twitter yesterday, telling us about his plans etc, so I asked about the wifi, will let you know if I get a reply direct......
also got my 'consultation'' paper yesterday for green waste, so returned it and and asked for details of waste about wifi etc, if they reply will let you know..

Offline Richard Symonds

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2013, 09:28:30 AM »
What I fail to understand is why it takes so long to agree what form or format a report will take!

What are the Working Party or Individual Members of the Working Party trying to hide?
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2013, 10:11:29 AM »
I thought the question, Richard, should be, protecting their future.....

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2013, 11:16:36 AM »
I gather that the Investigation was completed some time ago.    If so, one may assume that the 4 members cannot agree on their report for the Scrutiny Committee.     The normal procedure in such cases is that a report is made and any dissenting views are reported in a minority report.    However, if as maybe the case with an even number (and the Chair being debarred from having a second and casting vote, as under the Group's Terms of Reference) they cannot agree on view(s) whether majority or minority.
Surely now is the time for the Scrutiny Chair to require a report of any agreed findings and each of the 4 individual members to pen any areas they feel should be included, - that's what Law Lords do.
So the public can draw their conclusions what should happen next.
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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2013, 12:12:07 PM »
I thought the question, Richard, should be, protecting their future.....

How can they hope to do that by procrastinating T?
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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2013, 06:28:31 PM »
How much less stressful and more productive  would it be to openly admit when / if mistakes happen - accept whats happened, apologise when / if needed , see what needs to be learnt and move on ?

Can't remember who said that " the man who makes no mistakes, makes nothing "
None of us are perfect , we all make mistakes but rereading email trails that go round and round,  seeming to do everything to just avoid answering the questions wastes everyones time, money and effort....doesn't move anything forward & just makes things (look )worse.

Having seen a number of email trails that make you giddier than a rollercoaster , gotta  wonder who is giving such poor advice to individual members of all parties.

In days gone by when members of the public had the hassle of having to handwrite a letter , stick a stamp on and wait for the post ....maybe more people just got worn down by it & gave up..... but times have changed.

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2013, 09:35:12 PM »
The more effort there is put into not providing an answer sends a clear message that the answer itself may be kryptonite.

And in the electronic age it is not easy to keep such things under wraps.

it is so much easier to be straightforward, is it not?

Less to remember too.

And, usually cheaper in the long run.

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2013, 11:09:34 AM »
And in the electronic age it is not easy to keep such things under wraps.

Well... they're doing a great job so far. 

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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2013, 07:06:17 AM »
Bob, have got the reply asked for from the council leader, he says it is public record that Mr Hunt was declared bankrupt, and the scrutiny committee will publish the report when they finalise it............

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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2013, 08:14:46 AM »
And in the electronic age it is not easy to keep such things under wraps

It is if the record keeping is confined to peoples' heads.

Let's face it, exploitation of of cyber stuff was not a defining feature of this escapade.

What you need to be looking for is a collection of fag packets.
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Offline Richard Symonds

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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2013, 03:32:54 PM »
Bob, have got the reply asked for from the council leader, he says it is public record that Mr Hunt was declared bankrupt, and the scrutiny committee will publish the report when they finalise it............

It is my understanding that the 'working party' finalized its investigations last April, but have yet to agree how to report!

Just how long does it actually take to agree to a report?

What do they have to cover up?

The longer it goes on the worse it looks.

If the four of them cannot agree perhaps they would be kind enough to share their findings and make their conclusions on a individual basis.

I hope we do not have to wait too much longer or Digital City will be struck off the Register of Companies and the culprits let off the hook.
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Re: So that was it.....
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2013, 04:12:00 PM »
Here's how to do it, in Singapore.

1. Employ some genuine experts.
2. Identify free frequencies.
3. Find a fantastic "Public Realm" area to carry out a trial.
4. Get going.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24822458

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Singapore Park Becomes Part of 'Super-WiFi' Trial
Singapore's Gardens by the Bay were created six years ago from reclaimed land and are now part of trial for the country's "super wi-fi" white space programme.
White space is the name for a wireless network made available when old frequencies for analogue television signals are repurposed to carry data.
It is hoped free public wi-fi will be rolled out across the island within the next two years.


Click on the link and make sure that you watch the video clip. (Full screen.)
Now you know what real experts can do...............although deep down inside I would have loved all of those involved in the Swindon Wi-Fiasco to have tried it on with the Singaporeans. They would have still been in Changi Jail.
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