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Deja Vue - All Over again?
« on: July 21, 2013, 05:20:38 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23375914

Plans submitted for 'large' solar farm in Wiltshire

Plans to build one of the largest solar farms in the UK on an old airfield near Swindon, have been submitted by developers.

Swindon Commercial Services (SCS) wants to put 160,000 solar panels on 200 acres of a former RAF site, now owned by The Science Museum at Wroughton.

SCS, a company owned by Swindon Borough Council, said it could create enough energy to power about 12,000 homes.

It has teamed up with the Science Museum to develop the £50m project.


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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2013, 08:11:29 PM »
Would that finish off Wroughton as a potential museum site active Airfield?  Years ago there were air shows there and as one of the most complete WW2 airfield it would be a pity to lose it as such.

Anyway with all its problems should SCS even be involved?
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2013, 08:59:01 PM »
in view of the  recent wifi cockups Richard, where are they getting the money form..........

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2013, 10:23:03 PM »
in view of the  recent wifi cockups Richard, where are they getting the money form..........

Interesting question T, are you going to ask it officially?
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2013, 10:27:21 PM »
Richard, iM AWAY IN THE MORNING FOR A WEEK, WHEN I COME BACK iLL FILE A foi..

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2013, 10:37:45 PM »
Would that finish off Wroughton as a potential museum site active Airfield?  Years ago there were air shows there and as one of the most complete WW2 airfield it would be a pity to lose it as such.

Anyway with all its problems should SCS even be involved?

In more recent years the GFWE (Great Vintage Flying Weekend) was hosted there.
It was a fantastic event and, at £5 per vehicle admission, it was also great value.

This event soon got moved to Kemble and became expensive.

Wroughton is also unique in that it has a star layout runway system.
Most WW2 airfields had an "A" or "4"  layout

As with anything that has heritage, character, unique properties, is cherished, and is subject to responsibility of SBC / SCS it will ultimately be lost, destroyed, wasted
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2013, 11:36:12 PM »
Wroughton is also unique in that it has a star layout runway system.
Most WW2 airfields had an "A" or "4"  layout

and the place where Guy Gibson's Dam Busting Lancaster was scrapped!!

Any other country would have built a museum around it.

Sadly also The Science Museum artifacts are also not available for public viewing and that is wrong. 

My brother in law, who has a home in Gorsehill, was a second pilot on Tridents with British European Airways aka British Airways and found out that one of his aircraft was in the collection.  He contacted the museum and was taken to it to be denied access on Health and Safety grounds.  What a nonsense!  This upset Bob and when he found another aircraft from his flying log at Ringway Manchester, hee went to see it and was photographed in his old seat. 

My question is why keep these old aircraft and other exhibits if no one can see them?
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 08:32:16 AM »
Maybe there is some mileage in using the grounds for some useful future purpose (solar panels) and somehow having that enable access to the Museum, which I guess is only closed because of the cost keeping it open to the public, who no doubt would grumble at having to pay to go in? 

If my memory serves me right the War ended in 1945, there are plenty of memorials to it already, and any runways there would probably not be able to take todays aircraft (have we any left anyway?) 
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 09:24:21 AM »
When this goes ahead what will happen to the profit from it  :-\
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 09:50:06 AM »
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what will happen to the profit from it

Given SCS & SBC's record with business ventures, there will be no profit Mick. However it will be vibrant and innovative.

This is a deal to the value of 100 Wi-Fi's. It involves technology, good planning, shrewd procurement and careful management, not qualities that we've seen in recent times from the main players in this, is it?
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 10:06:08 AM »
100 wifi projects flippin heck that could be a hundred times the controversy  :-\
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 05:55:15 PM »
There is an email for the project which is Wroughton.Solar@pegasuspg.co.uk these Pegasus guys are the planning consultants for the project, according to their website they've done loads, maybe worth asking them? Also here's the address to the planning application

http://pa.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MOH7MIPT97000

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Re: Deja Vue - All Over again?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 08:39:58 AM »
Sadly also The Science Museum artifacts are also not available for public viewing and that is wrong. 

I spoke with the Science Museum (large objects store) at Wroughton a couple of years ago because they have an item which my Father had a particular interest in/affiliation with.  At the time they said thatthe large objects store was open to the public several times each year.

Unfortunately, one of Ex-Councillor Mallinson's & SBC's 'excellent' providers of care to the elderly had other plans for him and the planned visit to the SMLOS didn't happen on account of the Old Chap inconveniently being shuffled off this mortal coil.

I'd very much like to visit the store though.

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Re: Deja Vue - All Over again?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 08:44:01 AM »
When this goes ahead what will happen to the profit from it  :-\

Wouldn't you need an extraordinarily long time-lapsed film, (or one of H G Well's contraptions), to see any profit?  ;D

I have no idea what the timescale is for these projects to recover the build costs and move into profit, but I am interested.  I'm guessing that the value of the land won't be quoted in the costs, (donated by SBC/SM?).

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 12:13:02 PM »
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Given SCS & SBC's record with business ventures, there will be no profit Mick. However it will be vibrant and innovative.

Vibrant and innovative are the buzzwords of choice at the moment. Shame that successful doesn't feature on that list.

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This is a deal to the value of 100 Wi-Fi's. It involves technology, good planning, shrewd procurement and careful management, not qualities that we've seen in recent times from the main players in this, is it?

This is going to be one of the largest solar farms in the UK, which raises a few questions:-

1. Have SCS any experience of providing a large solar farm or a medium sized one for that matter?
2. Have SCS installed anything bigger that a few panels on council owned buildings?
3. Have SBC learnt anything from the Wi-Fi disaster?
4. Who is funding the scheme?
5. What do SCS add to the project? It is my understanding that SCS is a contractor with minimal design capability.
6. Could SBC deliver this project more cost effectively by tendering the construction out to private contractors?
7. Given that SCS have a poor track record of delivering projects on time, do the financial forecasts include a contingency for poor performance (ie. increased interest payments on finance and longer wait for returns)?


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Re: Deja Vue - All Over again?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 02:15:47 PM »
Am I correct that govt. subsidies to solar energy installations have recently been heavily reduced.

Timing.

Can't beat it. Fascinating that this idea comes up now.

P.S. re profits. Of course like everything else this will be leased on to one of our 'friendly' management companies - Capita, Lang, etc..........

someone will make a lot of money no doubt, but experience does not imply that it will be the coffers of our town.


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Re: Deja Vue - All Over again?
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 08:54:09 PM »
It would appear the Museum has given up on its ambitions giving way to opportunity.