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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 09:30:39 AM »
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 02:06:12 PM »
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Re: Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 03:39:16 PM »
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 08:30:08 PM »
There will be six of them.......

That's helpful.

Don't blame me if you wake up with gills and an appetite for flies tomorrow.

The smart move would to be to have a long hard look at nuclear waste, something that lairy must have a practical use if someone is just clever enough to work it out. It's so sort of, well, opinionated, there must be something you can do with it apart from bloody bury it. It ain't cat poo.

I suggest they start experimenting a long way away, like Slough f'rinstance.
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 08:41:08 PM »
Today I received the following email from 38 degrees

Dear Richard,

It’s bad news. Yesterday MPs voted against including a clean energy target in the Energy Bill. [1]

Sadly, your MP, Robert Buckland, didn’t vote the right way. Whether it was because he voted with his political party, or he wanted to back dirty fossil fuels or for some other reason, he backed George Osborne at the expense of the environment and against the wishes of his voters.

I have no hesitation in stating publicly that I believe Robert Buckland is not a man to be relied upon by his constituents, knowing that his team may well trawl this site and being fully prepared to meet him on any platform if he feels sufficiently aggrieved at the suggestion. Like Anne Snelgrove, he appears a Party apparatchik and this is of course, his Achilles heel since he cannot both fulfill his personal ambitions through slavish adherence to the Party perspective and represent the community who gave him Office.

After a frustrating two years of future-less exchange, I challenged him to advise me on how I should present a formal complaint against him - I hope it will come as sobering shock to most of you that no such provision exists in our political system. At the very first hurdle, that most elemental of relationships with The State, our feeble democracy falls, leaving any who are rightly aggrieved with no avenue of redress save for the protestations of our Free(ish) Press.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2013, 06:49:14 AM »
I have no hesitation in stating publicly that I believe Robert Buckland is not a man to be relied upon by his constituents, knowing that his team may well trawl this site and being fully prepared to meet him on any platform if he feels sufficiently aggrieved at the suggestion. Like Anne Snelgrove, he appears a Party apparatchik and this is of course, his Achilles heel since he cannot both fulfill his personal ambitions through slavish adherence to the Party perspective and represent the community who gave him Office

But I bet he ends up wearing the robes of a top judge and sitting in the house of lords.  :fish:

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2013, 11:22:43 AM »
After a frustrating two years of future-less exchange, I challenged him to advise me on how I should present a formal complaint against him - I hope it will come as sobering shock to most of you that no such provision exists in our political system.

Why is this a sobering shock? If the electorate could complain every time that their MP didn't vote the way they liked, we might as well have a referendum on every topic and do away with MPs altogether.

Robert Buckland is not in Parliament to represent you, he is there to represent us. How can you (or he) know how the electorate wanted him to vote on this occasion?

With regards to complaints procedure. If your MP does something illegal then report him to the police. If he simply does something that you don't agree with or doesn't reply to your letters, then don't vote for him next time.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2013, 11:41:50 AM »
After a frustrating two years of future-less exchange, I challenged him to advise me on how I should present a formal complaint against him - I hope it will come as sobering shock to most of you that no such provision exists in our political system.

Why is this a sobering shock? If the electorate could complain every time that their MP didn't vote the way they liked, we might as well have a referendum on every topic and do away with MPs altogether.

Robert Buckland is not in Parliament to represent you, he is there to represent us. How can you (or he) know how the electorate wanted him to vote on this occasion?

With regards to complaints procedure. If your MP does something illegal then report him to the police. If he simply does something that you don't agree with or doesn't reply to your letters, then don't vote for him next time.

Of course, nowhere in my post did I claim that my complaint against him was to do with the way he votes.

Had you taken the slightest care to assimilate with what I actually wrote, you wouldn't litter this site with irrelevant rant.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2013, 12:06:00 PM »
Of course, nowhere in my post did I claim that my complaint against him was to do with the way he votes.

Had you taken the slightest care to assimilate with what I actually wrote, you wouldn't litter this site with irrelevant rant.

As you have not stated what your complaint with Robert Buckland is, the most irrelevant post on this thread is surely yours.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2013, 04:09:23 PM »
DavidP: After a frustrating two years of future-less exchange, I challenged him to advise me on how I should present a formal complaint against him - I hope it will come as sobering shock to most of you that no such provision exists in our political system.

Oh I bet there is, but never ask the person you are going to complain about where you should go to do it! Before the electorate elected them, his party selected them. Try there.

And if it's that bad you can't vote for him, don't,  if you really are offended, make sure you let others know so they know what they are voting for.

The imp on my shoulder is saying, tell the opposition so they can use it against them.  Light blue touch paper and stand well back.
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2013, 04:44:26 PM »
DavidP: After a frustrating two years of future-less exchange, I challenged him to advise me on how I should present a formal complaint against him - I hope it will come as sobering shock to most of you that no such provision exists in our political system.

Oh I bet there is, but never ask the person you are going to complain about where you should go to do it! Before the electorate elected them, his party selected them. Try there.

Yes I thought of that but it's not an official complaints channel and grumbling to his Party Office, well 'pissing up a rope' came to mind.

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And if it's that bad you can't vote for him, don't,  if you really are offended, make sure you let others know so they know what they are voting for.

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The imp on my shoulder is saying, tell the opposition so they can use it against them.  Light blue touch paper and stand well back.

Now that's on the button! Thanks.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2013, 07:04:11 PM »
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If the electorate could complain every time that their MP didn't vote the way they liked, we might as well have a referendum on every topic and do away with MPs altogether.


Mmm - isn't that what David cameron promised the elctorate and confirmed in the Co-alition agreement. This was the promise made by the Conservatives in 2010.

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Our People Power manifesto, will give local people the direct power to recall MPs found guilty of wrongdoing without having to wait for a General Election.

Conservatives will empower local people to cast a vote of no confidence in their elected representative and bring an end to the concept of the ‘safe seat’.

This proposal will make MPs directly answerable to their constituents over the whole of a Parliament – not just every five years.

How the Right to Recall process will work:

The recall process will begin with the filing of a notice-of-intent-to-recall petition, to be signed by at least 100 constituents and submitted to the local returning officer

Once registered, a recall petition can be circulated within the constituency, petitions for the recall of MPs must accumulate signatures equal to 10 per cent of the local electorate

Any petition that crosses the signature threshold within 90 days would trigger a by-election

Shadow Leader of the House Sir George Young said:

“The last five years has been disastrous for Parliament and trust in politics has reached an all-time low. People want change and politicians must become more directly accountable for their actions.

“We have proposed a power of recall that will allow constituents to remove their MP mid-term without having to wait for a general election. Giving local people the power to cast a vote of no confidence in their elected representative will bring an end to the concept of the 'safe seat' and make MPs directly answerable to their constituents over the whole of a Parliament, not just every five years.

“Recall will be triggered by a completely restructured Committee on Standards and Privileges that, for the first time in Parliament’s history, will contain non-parliamentary members – as I recommended to the Committee on Standards in Public Life last July.

“Our proposals will help to rebuild trust in Parliament and put more power where it belongs – in the hands of the people”.
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But of course no such system has been set up despite David Cameron's promise - this is so typical of the Prime Minister and represents the worst of all politicians  - where BROKEN PROMISES are simply the order of the day


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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2014, 04:51:21 PM »
I think Mr Buckland also voted against the Recall act. That Cameron promised.

We know why don't we

Mr Buckland when presenting hinself for a candidate for Swindon was FOR a referendum on EU membership. Remember Cameron promised us the referendum.

Cameron changed his mind when somehow got to be P.M. Mr Buckland then  also changed his mind and was seen on the steps of Westminster saying we do not need a referendum, then later was interveiwed on TV and was firmly against a referendum.   

Cameron, after being frightened by UKIP, then said again we will have a referendum IF I GET RE ELECTED ( fat chance). I think we have yet to here Mr B;s official current change of position.

I also remember Mr Blair continually changed his stance on everything. 

But RELUCTANTLY I WILL have to accept the propsed 11% pay rise is what the man said.  Head in the clouds and still not listening is youg Robert.

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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2014, 08:33:51 PM »
to be fair to Cameron, he has put the vote in motion, but it is being stopped by the other two parties who are against it. we know how they stand on the issue, they wont even let their voters have a say in the matter..

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2014, 11:36:40 AM »
Robert Buckland is in the news again for the wrong reasons:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698664/New-law-chief-guilty-misconduct-race-hate-trial-didn-t-tell-PM-Professional-misconduct-illicitly-getting-case-notes-involving-school-governor.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2014, 01:02:10 PM »
I rather think this is a mixture of something being 'mailed' out of all proportion.

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Mr Buckland’s school investigation never concluded because Mrs Webster launched a civil action against the school for failing to protect her son. She later lost. Last night Mr Buckland, a married father of twins, confessed to The Mail on Sunday that he had failed to notify the Cabinet Office of the misdemeanour. He said: ‘It’s a matter of public record. It’s been recorded by the Bar Standards Board. It happened three years ago.

‘It was a genuine attempt by me to establish facts at the school. This is the only time I have had any issue with the Bar Standards Board. I genuinely thought I was taking the right action for the school. I regret it ended up in the position it did.’
Mr Buckland tried to say the matter was ‘spent’ because more than two years had passed but last night the Bar Standards Board said disciplinary findings stay on a barrister’s disciplinary record indefinitely.

Mr Shellard did not return calls made by The Mail on Sunday.
Last night, a spokesman for the Solicitor General’s office said: ‘This finding was removed from the Bar records after two years and therefore Mr Buckland was not required to declare it upon appointment as Solicitor General.”

A technical infringement which doesn;t seem to have prevented justice being done - and a slap on the wrist which hasn't impinged upon his career in any other way. Minor stuff.

A misjudgement no doubt, but hardly earth shattering - otherwise the sanctions at the time would have been much greater.
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2014, 04:44:13 PM »
Old news, but if the Daily Fail is dredging I'll get my spade out as well...

Didn't Harriet Wossname use the 'Technical Infringement' excuse for driving the wrong way down a one-way street and the then Home Secretary Jacqui Wosserface use the same for something or other and, as if the first two weren't good enough examples, I seem to recall a Labour peer using the same defence for employing an illegal immigrant.

I dislike the term 'Technical Infringement'.  An act is lawful or unlawful and ignorance, as we are oft sternly reminded, is no excuse.  In Bob's case he could hardly cite ignorance as mitigation :)

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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2014, 05:52:29 PM »
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Mr Buckland tried to say the matter was ‘spent’ because more than two years had passed but last night the Bar Standards Board said disciplinary findings stay on a barrister’s disciplinary record indefinitely.

Last night, a spokesman for the Solicitor General’s office said: ‘This finding was removed from the Bar records after two years and therefore Mr Buckland was not required to declare it upon appointment as Solicitor General.”

A bit worrying that the Bar Standards Board and the Solicitor General's office contradict each other on this matter.

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2014, 06:55:19 PM »
Do they?

There are things which would stay on your record permanently if you had broken the law in some way - but after they were 'spent' you would not necessarily be obliged to declare them, would you?

Smacks more of our old friend confirmation bias to me. If people are already disposed to think he's some kind of evil tory mastermind, I guess this proves something to them. For me, whilst he's proven capable of making a mistake, I'm not exactly worried that it effects his ability to perform his role. In fact, if anything, I would have thought it made him more likely to be scrupulous in applying himself with even greater care. Yes, he's made an error - and one serious enough to involve verbal and written sanction, but not one judged by his peers to have seriously effected his career (and believe you me, the Law Soc and bar Standards absolutely throw the book at people if they've made a serious transgression).

It appears the info he was looking at was acquired for genuine purposes, even if not according to the proper procedure. That it has been, as Geoff put it 'dredged' out now seems more like political opportunism than a revelation inspiring serious public concern. Afterall, this has all been on the public record anyway...

Nah, can't get too excited about this.Its a bit like finding out that the Minister for Transport had once been fined for speeding or the President of the USA had smoked a Jazz Cigarette. If they were unapologetic or had actively tried to deny what they'd done, fair dos, THAT would be the issue. But I doubt there's anyone performing any complicated job who doesn't make the ocassional cock-up. The question is how serious it was and what their attitude is to it, THATS the important insight by which we ought to judge them in my view...
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Re: Bad news, and Robert Buckland MP is part of it
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2014, 08:45:10 PM »
Smacks more of our old friend confirmation bias to me. If people are already disposed to think he's some kind of evil tory mastermind, I guess this proves something to them.

C'mon, you can't just play the confirmation bias card every time someone voices a different opinion to yours. My post was intended to bring the Daily Mail article to people's attention. I didn't pass judgement and certainly wasn't influenced by confirmation bias as I tend to agree with you that this is not a big deal.

However, given that confirmation bias plays a huge part in electing our MP's why shouldn't it play a part in judging their performance in office. Isn't that what party politics is? Bigging up your friends and smearing the opposition. Since when has the truth mattered in politics. Electing an MP is a popularity contest based entirely on confirmation bias.

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That it has been, as Geoff put it 'dredged' out now seems more like political opportunism than a revelation inspiring serious public concern. Afterall, this has all been on the public record anyway...

Of course it's political opportunism in the same way that virtually every word that leaves a politician's mouth is. I don't think it is wrong of the Daily Mail to 'dredge' it up now though. It might be old news, but until last week Robert Buckland was pretty much unknown outside of Swindon. He has just been promoted to the cabinet, so his past performance (good and bad) is relevant to the here and now. 

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It appears the info he was looking at was acquired for genuine purposes, even if not according to the proper procedure.

Were his motives genuine or was he seeking an advantage? Was he seeking the truth, justice or protecting the school for which he was a governor? Was he helping the victim or seeking to protect the school? Was it an innocent breach or a conflict of interest? I will let your confirmation bias decide. Personally, I am prepared to give him the benefit of doubt.

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The question is how serious it was and what their attitude is to it, THATS the important insight by which we ought to judge them in my view...

It was potentially extremely serious given that the mother of the victim tried to sue the school. Interfering in an attempted murder (can hitting someone over the head in a premeditated attack be anything else) isn't serious? Covering up racism isn't serious?

I am not suggesting that he did either of these things, but it is fair for the electorate to make up their own minds and decide whether he is fit to represent them.

Personally, I would probably vote for him on the basis that no one is perfect and I don't see the opposition putting forward a better candidate. Does that make me a fair person or a tory lover suffering from confirmation bias? Does it matter?
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