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« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2012, 09:45:52 AM »
To the best of my knowledge, Cllr Sewell was not at the Planning Committee that discussed Tadpole Farm...

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« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2012, 09:53:14 AM »
To the best of my knowledge, Cllr Sewell was not at the Planning Committee that discussed Tadpole Farm...

No she wasn't and I am unaware of any reason.

Was non attendence an opportunity to distance the Liberals from this decision so they can write about it in one of their leaflets? 

Well I suppose they have to write about something, but doing is - well I would like to know what?  Or do they need plenty of time to think up yet another motion ammendment for Wednesday night?
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #82 on: June 17, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »
To the best of my knowledge, Cllr Sewell was not at the Planning Committee that discussed Tadpole Farm...

Indeed she was not.

She was however at the Croft Planning Committee where she succintly listed her concerns and then approved the application without asking a single question of officers.

Apologies for any confusion.

I did attend the Tadpole Farm Planning Committee ( and have attended oodles more over the last 18 months) and was again amazed at the lack of forensic questioning of officers' advice by committee members.

Is this perhaps done in pre- meetings out of public view?
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« Reply #83 on: June 17, 2012, 10:38:19 AM »
Jennyb

If as you say Cllr Nicky Sewell was not at the meeting then surely Cllr Pajack or one of the other 3 Libdems attended and made a representation to planning committee about said application.

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« Reply #84 on: June 17, 2012, 11:12:35 AM »
I've heard that nobody made representations on behalf of the LibDems.  Might it be true that no comments were ever made by the LibDems to the community in the North about this issue?  Is there a reason they are trapped in Eastcott?  Could it be true that they believe that Eastcott is Swindon and that there are no other life-forms out there?

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« Reply #85 on: June 17, 2012, 11:15:30 AM »
Jennyb

If as you say Cllr Nicky Sewell was not at the meeting then surely Cllr Pajack or one of the other 3 Libdems attended and made a representation to planning committee about said application.

I was there for the full Tadpole Farm Planning Application.

I do not know what the new Lib Dem Councillor for Wroughton looks like so I cannot confirm if she was there.

The others were not in attendance and therefore could not make representation.


It takes wisdom to know what you know and wisdom to know what you don't know and when to call in those who do. Often the people who do know will advise that evidence and research are very helpful when making decisions. Who knows it might even save a bit of money.

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« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2012, 11:28:07 AM »
Jennyb

If as you say Cllr Nicky Sewell was not at the meeting then surely Cllr Pajack or one of the other 3 Libdems attended and made a representation to planning committee about said application.


I was there for the full Tadpole Farm Planning Application.

I do not know what the new Lib Dem Councillor for Wroughton looks like so I cannot confirm if she was there.

The others were not in attendance and therefore could not make representation.


That could be why Oakhurst Residents Association have not posted anything said by a Libdem councillor as of today. Here is the latest councillor link http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/councillors-quotes-at-planning.html

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« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2012, 12:44:07 PM »
The Purton/Iffley Link road is a bit like the Okey Kokey first you put the link in and then you take it out in out in out you shake it all about. To build more houses in North Swindon without the link road is in my opinion flies in the face of controlled sustainable development/expansion and is quite frankly politically and environmentally bizarre.

If we look back to 1996 and then forward to 2016 when Tadpole will be well underway. It is almost certainly likely that during that period 20,000 more houses will have been built or are in the process of being built in Swindon, though I admit not all in North Swindon.

We need the Purton/Iffley Linkroad and I will continue campaigning for it to be constructed. To explain the follow remark made by me was in response to a fact that I was not aware of when an officer intimated that  car owners do not alway undertake car journeys because they have one they do leave it on the drive.

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"I represent an area called Mannington-Western, which people probably know as the bottom part of Mead Way, Great Western Way and Bruce Street Bridges" and there are  "issues relating to traffic and gridlock. So I’d like to say, it would be really nice if people buy cars and just leave them on their drives instead of coming down those streets and roads into Mannington-Western."


Cllr Peter Heaton-Jones made a similar point about museum pieces and the fact that people attending the planning committe had come by car from North Swindon!
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« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2012, 12:59:05 PM »
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Cllr Peter Heaton-Jones made a similar point about museum pieces and the fact that people attending the planning committe had come by car from North Swindon!


That is also something else that the Oakhurst Resident website has not reported.

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« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2012, 01:37:21 PM »
This is an interesting article (from 2008 ) discussing amongst other things TF, back in the 60's it was envisaged that Swindon would expand westwards  beyond Purton and northwards roughly to the limit of the TF development http://www.swindonlink.com/features/look-out-another-5000-homes-could-be-coming-to-west-and-north-swindon

Anyone know just how long these developers have owned this land?  Is it more than sheer coincidence that all these West-North development proposals fit into this 60's plan?  :knuppel2:



If you want to see 'Swindon - A study for further expansion' aka 'the silver book' as mentioned in the article it can be found here (pages 42 and 43 have the interesting maps)
http://www.southwest-ra.gov.uk/media/SWRA/Archive%20of%20Regional%20and%20sub%20Regional%20Studies/Swindon_a_study_for_further_expasion__Swindon_BC_Wiltshire_CC_and_GLC__1968.pdf

Oh and one final thing, even back in the 60's they wanted to exclude the front garden and coate from development.

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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2012, 01:40:57 PM »
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Cllr Peter Heaton-Jones made a similar point about museum pieces and the fact that people attending the planning committe had come by car from North Swindon!


That is also something else that the Oakhurst Resident website has not reported.

It may well be that the Oakhurst website has more information to be published and these comments are within that.

The remark about cars which led to the 'musuem pieces' comment was made by the same officer who stated that the Old Driving Test Centre road ( Marlborough Lane) could cope with 1500 cars/hour.

The audience then also guffawed in amazement at her statements.

The planning committee did not question her advice then or her advice on Tues for Tadpole Farm.

Why would they allow statements of this nature to go unchallenged?
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« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2012, 01:47:12 PM »
I have dredged this up from the Link Website not sure if Roger Ogle has the map to some sort of scale however as I study it shows that Tadpole Farm covers an area as least as large as Purton or Cricklade or Broad Blunsdon. It also appears larger than the pink bit that indicates Swindon Town Centre is dwarfed by the size of Tadpole Farm. The map is next to this quote
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North Swindon cluster says ‘no’ to housing until promises are kept
 
At a North Swindon council wards ‘cluster’ meeting on 8 March a resolution was passed that there should be no further development in North Swindon until promised and future infrastructure is in place such as roads (Thamesdown Drive extension to Great Western Way), community facilities and schools.

http://www.swindonlink.com/news/reaction-to-crest-nicholson-ideas-for-1700-houses-at-tadpole-farm

Its probably just me and the way I am looking at it and it is more likely that the map is not to scale and is possibly just a schematic for demonstration purposes?
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« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2012, 01:58:17 PM »
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It may well be that the Oakhurst website has more information to be published and these comments are within that.


I may have to keep my eye on that and await the next cliffhanger of an episode  :coffee:

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« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2012, 05:35:31 PM »
Here is the next episode
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http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/it-has-been-brought-to-our-attention.html

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« Reply #94 on: June 17, 2012, 08:23:38 PM »
@ George Elliott
"Are you interested in a vote for the Libdems by any chance? Some say the  Libdems are the most truthful, honest politicians in politics and always speak up for the people as well as keeping to their pledges."

I could never personally vote for a party with their views and policies on Europe. Nick Clegg still hopes the UK will join the Euro one day! Some issues are bigger and more important than local politics :)
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« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2012, 08:50:20 PM »
some say, with thier outlook, they have the flatest hands in the biz...... :wink:

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« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2012, 08:56:48 PM »
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Toby Elliott and Emma Faramarzi are the worst kind of political opportunists. They spent 90 mins one morning helping ORA gather objections with the sole motivation for using this in their pre-election flyers. This was the one and only occasion they were seen in two years in the campaign. The first chance they had to back up their pre-election words of 'fighting inappropriate development at Tadpole Farm in this application' with genuine deeds at the planning committee meeting last Tuesday and they 'approve the same application'.

It is my sincerest hope that these two and Cllr Edwards who campaigned on the same ticket are voted out at next opportunity. It is politicians like this that give politics a bad name and turn off people from voting. How can anybody vote for a candidate that says one thing but does the opposite? They have lost all credibility.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2012, 12:36:06 AM »
@ George Elliott

Toby Elliott and Emma Faramarzi are the worst kind of political opportunists. They spent 90 mins one morning helping ORA gather objections with the sole motivation for using this in their pre-election flyers. This was the one and only occasion they were seen in two years in the campaign. The first chance they had to back up their pre-election words of 'fighting inappropriate development at Tadpole Farm in this application' with genuine deeds at the planning committee meeting last Tuesday and they 'approve the same application'.


Yes, Cllr Elliot does seem to have deliberately deceived residents and voters by encouraging them to think he & Cllr Faramarzi were opposed to the Tadpole Farm development, in fact they jointly described Tadpole Farm as an 'Inappropriate Development' in their election leaflets.

As if that wasn't poor enough, Toby also boasted that they had:

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"Saturday campaigning: Tadpole Lane"
"On Saturday myself and Councillor Emma Faramarzi joined Paul Exell and Kevin Lay from the Oakhurst Residents’ Association to collect signatures for a standard objection letter relating to Tadpole Farm".

Is it fair to ask whether Cllr Elliot is rapidly, (if he hasn't already done so), defining himself as someone whose words and actions cannot be trusted. If so, he's going to fit right in with his new colleagues.....


It is my sincerest hope that these two and Cllr Edwards who campaigned on the same ticket are voted out at next opportunity. It is politicians like this that give politics a bad name and turn off people from voting. How can anybody vote for a candidate that says one thing but does the opposite? They have lost all credibility.

Some good things do come from people like Cllr Elliot & Colleagues acting like shits though.  The worse their behaviour is, the more it hardens the resolve of genuinely decent people to publicise their behaviour and do what they can to hold the offenders to account.  The the more that happens, the less confidence the more morally & ethically conscious members of the business community have in doing business with untrustworthy and morally corrupt politicians who are controlling a local authority.  See Pickards Field?

On the other hand, some less scrupulous businessmen, (mentioning no names of course),  love to do business with stupid, disingenuous and morally corrupt local politicians because doing so is often an easy way to trouser a lot of money, sometimes it's even public money being trousered, with little effort apart from pandering to the egos of Councillors sitting in cabinet or the right committees.

Thus has it possibly always been, but I think those days will rapidly come to an end if the public wills it.


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« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2012, 08:34:24 AM »
At planning Cllr Emma Faramazi said http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/councillors-quotes-at-planning_17.html

Cllr Faramarzi tweeted on 13th June 2012:
"we worked hard to get the best result for residents.  Unfortunately there were no grounds in that report to refuse." 

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ORA members may want to ask the following questions:

Did Cllr Faramarzi deliver on her election promise? 
Why were the ward councillors so slow to negotiate the desperately needed infrastructure? 
Why is there so little S.106 money to provide Oakhurst with its critical infrastructure? 
Why, after listening to all the residents, did Cllr Faramarzi see fit to listen to the Borough officers' advice? 
Who does a councillor answer to? 
The residents or the officers? 
Does Cllr Faramarzi , or any ward councillor, have any political will or influence of her/their own? 
Why has S.106 money become so important to so many? 
Is it important to make a measured decision on the entire planning case or on the basis of how much money can be generated? 
Why didn't Cllr Faramarzi take independent legal advice about the strengths/weaknesses of an appeal?   
Which part of her statement did Cllr Faramarzi discuss with her residents deeply? 
The fact that Tadpole shouldn't happen or the fact that it shouldn't go to appeal?  




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« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2012, 10:26:27 AM »
I was present at the Planning Committee for this momentous decision and at the time I thought that the Councillors who spoke said all the right things but at the end of the day had no intention of actually doing the right thing.

The speeches were well rehearsed and could be seen as being plausible, but are in fact a blatant mis representation of reality.  This is politics at its worst and the people will not allow the perpetrators to forget it!

The Officers and the Politicians of this town have no balls and therefore accede to any minor or perceived threat by outsiders but at the same time come down like a ton of bricks on any Swindon Council Tax Payer who dares to question them!  If only they were more proactive on the former.

As for the Planning Committee itself I wish they had asked more questions and I lack any confidence in either Officers or Councillors achieving anything from Crest Nicholson in the three month discussion period.  Crest Nicholson have got what they want so why would they want to make any concessions when they are under no obligation whatsover to do so?

The Labour Party are complicit in my view otherwise their members on planning would have at least made me and the remainder of the visiting public aware that they were in fact present.  Unless the Labour Party address such issues in the future they do not give any meaningful indication they would be any different to the Conservatives.
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