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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #640 on: September 23, 2012, 07:45:47 PM »
I always keep an eye on the Priory Vale website, some of my family live down that way and its been good value for money recently, as our old friend Olive Dognasty has been using it to diseminate the local tory party message.

you know the one, 'yeah, no but, yeah, but no, we didn't, but we did, vote for the tadpole development honest.... blah blah blah'

it's been quite fun recently watching Olive desperately trying to justify his partners actions (really quite like how he makes out he's 'contacted Emma' over issues like recycling.... their diner conversations must just be heaven..) , recent upsurges in backsliding local councillors using it as a mouth piece have resulted in quite a few heated exchanges. to my mind it seems as if even the normally tame facebook route of engagement is now turning out to be too hot for the local tories.

sh1t in your own nest and this is what you get.... wouldn't be at all surprised to see a few changes next election.

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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #641 on: September 23, 2012, 08:27:51 PM »
if you goon the adver website, youll see he has said that they are to get a primary by 2015 a secondary later, a business park a play park a nature reserve, in fact the earth......... :wink:

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« Reply #642 on: September 28, 2012, 08:08:09 AM »
Can't find the original post re proposal for another school at Mouldon Hill ( Cllr Renard/Link magazine..).

I have been looking at the figures in more detail... now I am not sure whether this is indeed an extra 60 places for North Swindon for 2014.

Will keep looking..

interestingly if the 60 place Temporary School now at Red Oaks for 2012 had not been placed at the Croft.... this could have provided £1,268,000 (depending on Cllr Bluh's arithmetic around 25-33% or even more ) towards the cost of a permanent 1fe expansion of Red Oaks in 2010.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #643 on: September 28, 2012, 11:54:18 AM »
Jennyb

http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,8888.msg85139.html#new

I put the link to the Link article in this discussion.

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?eid=92475a2a-9540-4413-a114-9468f0ad9fea

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« Reply #644 on: September 28, 2012, 12:05:31 PM »
Having found the link for Jennyb (I hope it was the link she was looking for), I had another quick look at the article myself.  Considering that consultations are due to be taking place in October, I haven't heard anything about this from my ward councillors.

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« Reply #645 on: September 28, 2012, 12:45:49 PM »
Having found the link for Jennyb (I hope it was the link she was looking for), I had another quick look at the article myself.  Considering that consultations are due to be taking place in October, I haven't heard anything about this from my ward councillors.

JJ,

Thanks for this. I now have all of the admissions data for every school across Swindon from 2006 to 2012 as well as the annual PCT data for every area in Swindon from 2006 through to 2016.

I have seen the cabinet requests for funding for extension to some North Swindon Schools but I have not seen the Cabinet Material for an additional school for NS in 2014 ( it might just mean that I have missed it).

I have seen the statements that £5m has been provided for a 420 pupil school in Tadpole Farm which would appear to be based on the Class Solutions protestations of being able to build a school at 2/3 of the cost and 2/3 of the time ( the Croft has already proved this to be a daft declaration).

I have also seen some interesting statistics regarding the  pupils/schools distance in Old Town.

The Process of school place planning deserves scrutiny and Cllr Bluh et al attempting to pull innocent children and their parents and into this to deflect from this is shocking behaviour but sadly not untypical.

If WCs Mattock, Bawden and Foley had done their jobs properly ...perhaps none of this would have come to light..
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« Reply #646 on: October 18, 2012, 10:47:29 AM »
http://oakhurstresidents.blogspot.co.uk/

Interesting refelection on NS WCs... who appear not to have lobbied for school places even though Gov funding had been allocated on the basis of need in their area.

Compare and contrast with the Veteran WCs of Old Town.. who lobbied for a school which SBC's  evidence proves was not needed and funded this by money intended for NS.

Taking candy from babies or were all aware of what was going on?
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« Reply #647 on: October 19, 2012, 04:29:27 PM »
Having found the link for Jennyb (I hope it was the link she was looking for), I had another quick look at the article myself.  Considering that consultations are due to be taking place in October, I haven't heard anything about this from my ward councillors.


JJ,

Thanks for this. I now have all of the admissions data for every school across Swindon from 2006 to 2012 as well as the annual PCT data for every area in Swindon from 2006 through to 2016.

I have seen the cabinet requests for funding for extension to some North Swindon Schools but I have not seen the Cabinet Material for an additional school for NS in 2014 ( it might just mean that I have missed it).

I have seen the statements that £5m has been provided for a 420 pupil school in Tadpole Farm which would appear to be based on the Class Solutions protestations of being able to build a school at 2/3 of the cost and 2/3 of the time ( the Croft has already proved this to be a daft declaration).

I have also seen some interesting statistics regarding the  pupils/schools distance in Old Town.

The Process of school place planning deserves scrutiny and Cllr Bluh et al attempting to pull innocent children and their parents and into this to deflect from this is shocking behaviour but sadly not untypical.

If WCs Mattock, Bawden and Foley had done their jobs properly ...perhaps none of this would have come to light..


Jennyb

I was looking for the report done in 2008/9(?) used to obtain additional government funding, which ended up being used for Croft.  Though I didn't find what I was looking for I did find the following:-

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?AIId=28158

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=43692

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=43693

Don't know whether you have these or not.

Th interesting thing is that according to the timetable included in the plan, public consultations are suppost to be taking place September/October 2012 with the results being presented in November - Well I haven't seen hide nor hair of a public consultation, so either it is a very selective public consultation or they are already behind schedule.

Anyway back to my orginal comment - do you know of an online version of the report that was used to get additional school funding?
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« Reply #648 on: October 19, 2012, 05:33:44 PM »
JJ,

The requests for gov funding for schools , in my experience, do not tend to be posted on Swindon.Gov.UK.... we received the information on the Basic Needs Safety Valve and Dedicated Schools Grants by requesting the information through Mr Buckland MP. He had to put in a bit of effort to have SBC's Children's services release the information which showed that the Croft had been funded by money requested on the basis of need for NS and the Town Centre.

If you look at the Cabinet material for this week and look at the £5m funding ( I don't have the report/link to hand) for the 2014 North Swindon Primary school ( suggested for Moulden Hill/Bridge) it looks as though it may be coming from Tadpole Farm. 

I will try to get the links sorted out over the weekend.

Alternatively you could ask Mr Tomlinson MP to get the info for you.

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« Reply #649 on: October 22, 2012, 03:22:49 PM »
JJ,

The requests for gov funding for schools , in my experience, do not tend to be posted on Swindon.Gov.UK.... we received the information on the Basic Needs Safety Valve and Dedicated Schools Grants by requesting the information through Mr Buckland MP. He had to put in a bit of effort to have SBC's Children's services release the information which showed that the Croft had been funded by money requested on the basis of need for NS and the Town Centre.

If you look at the Cabinet material for this week and look at the £5m funding ( I don't have the report/link to hand) for the 2014 North Swindon Primary school ( suggested for Moulden Hill/Bridge) it looks as though it may be coming from Tadpole Farm. 

I will try to get the links sorted out over the weekend.

Alternatively you could ask Mr Tomlinson MP to get the info for you.

Well.. have been back on the Web site for the Oct 17th 2012 cabinet and the link to this material seems to have disappeared.

I have a paper copy and the title is Draft Infrastructure Delivery Plan October 2012, pages 72-79 have school plans and sources of funding . It contains some unseen ( at least by me) terminology which warrant further scrutiny.

Perhaps the link might re-appear?

If not.. I can upload the paper copy... but it is a bit of an eye test as  I printed 4 pages/1 sheet.

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« Reply #650 on: October 22, 2012, 08:40:29 PM »
There is a spread in the adver today about Tadpole Farm online comments are better than usual I couldn't copy the link for some reason  :-\
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« Reply #651 on: October 23, 2012, 08:07:47 AM »
There is a spread in the adver today about Tadpole Farm online comments are better than usual I couldn't copy the link for some reason  :-\


Here's the link http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9998135.Tadpole_Farm_is_key_in_local_plan/

The comments are good apart from someone writing as Oliver Dummassie who is a lap-dog of Dale Heenan.
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« Reply #652 on: October 23, 2012, 08:23:09 AM »
I guess some of the Adver usual suspects must have been banned again or something as you normally get at least one or two "NIBMY" comments.

Chances are that Oliver character is just someone's joke character as opposed to a real SBC lackey (the name is a bit of a give away).

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« Reply #653 on: October 25, 2012, 03:18:37 PM »
http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/Launch.aspx?EID=2b50d792-5b36-4565-aa1f-cd74a1109773

page 9 "Redhouse community buiding moves ahead"

Looks like Cllr Tomlinson is getting her community centre and it's going to cost £1.25 million - but I thought a while Cllr T. had "won" £700, 000 for the community centre.  So where is the rest of the money coming from?

Quote "however there is worry that the high price for the site being demanded by Crest Homes could limit what can be delivered" 

Surely when the S106 was being arranged, the land for a community centre was included in the package?

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« Reply #654 on: February 03, 2013, 09:26:07 AM »
Swindon Advertiser - 2nd February 2013 - page 5 - "Help us find way to avoid chaos on roads"

I can't find a link for this article to post.

In the article Cllr Nick Martin talks about the impact of the 1400 cars (2x700 homes) Ridgeway Farm will have on the roads in Peatmoor/West Swindon, and he is right there will be a great impact on the area.

And yet this is the same councillor who waxed lyrically about how wonderful the Tadpole Farm developement was and voted for it to go through, therefore inflicting 3400 cars (2x1700 homes) on the residents of Oakhurst & Redhouse, because let's not fool ourselves the majority of those 3400 cars will use Oakhurst Way.

And once they reach the end of Oakhurst Way they join Thamesdown Drive, and then add to the traffic burden on the Akers Way and Mead Way.

Didn't he realise that when he voted yes to Tadpole Farm, he would inflict additional traffic on his own ward?



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« Reply #655 on: February 03, 2013, 09:32:12 AM »
Hang on - isn't Cllr Nick Martin confused over the issue....

In the lead up to the Tadpole Planning Decision he went to press saying that all the infrastructure in North Swindon was in place and therefore Tadpole Farm was not an issue.

Yesterday he said that, because the necessary infrastructure was never built in North Swindon to cope with the traffic, Ridgeway Farm was terrible.

Which is it?  Is there infrastructure or isn't there?

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« Reply #656 on: February 03, 2013, 10:03:37 AM »
Nick Martin is little different to others on the Tory led council say one thing and doing another. If you want to discuss this with him face to face do so here.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #657 on: February 03, 2013, 10:26:21 AM »
is the new houses (around 1600) at the north swindon site, the same ones, or is this ridgeway farm another build, if so then Cllr Martin should take in hand how many cars this 1600 houses will bring to the area and what is he doing about that with regard to save our roads etc,, another nimby in force I fear......
Of course you could also ask him if he voted for both developments!!.

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« Reply #658 on: February 03, 2013, 11:26:42 AM »
Swindon Advertiser - 2nd February 2013 - page 5 - "Help us find way to avoid chaos on roads"

I can't find a link for this article to post.

In the article Cllr Nick Martin talks about the impact of the 1400 cars (2x700 homes) Ridgeway Farm will have on the roads in Peatmoor/West Swindon, and he is right there will be a great impact on the area.

And yet this is the same councillor who waxed lyrically about how wonderful the Tadpole Farm developement was and voted for it to go through, therefore inflicting 3400 cars (2x1700 homes) on the residents of Oakhurst & Redhouse, because let's not fool ourselves the majority of those 3400 cars will use Oakhurst Way.

And once they reach the end of Oakhurst Way they join Thamesdown Drive, and then add to the traffic burden on the Akers Way and Mead Way.

Didn't he realise that when he voted yes to Tadpole Farm, he would inflict additional traffic on his own ward?

I was present at the Tadpole Farm Planning Application and watched in amazement as the Planning Committee members accepted the statements from Highways Officers that people have cars, people put these cars on their drives, but people don't drive these cars. And the Planning Committee swallowed this hook line and sinker.

The Planning Committee did not question how the children from the 1st 565 houses would be educated  and I haven't heard Cllr Renard explain it since.

For Councillors who endorsed Tadpole Farm with it's paucity of provision for education and traffic to come out with these  statements in the Adver is risible. Or is this the Lib Dem approach.. it's ok to let it happen elsewhere so long as it is not in my ward?

When I 1st heard about Ridgeway Farm and the SBC opposition to it I did wonder whether the umbrage was related to the lack of Council Tax and S106 monies.

As to 2 cars per household... now where did they get this figure.. was it from Highways Officers ( the same folks who poo poo'd infrastructure concerns on Tadpole Farm and the Croft and.... )?

Because politicians wouldn't go to press with statements they couldn't substantiate.. would they ?
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« Reply #659 on: February 03, 2013, 12:03:47 PM »
Because politicians wouldn't go to press with statements they couldn't substantiate.. would they ?

As long as they think they maintain 'plausible deniability', they'll say more or less anything they please  ;D

Of course their 'interpretation' of 'plausible' diverged significantly from mainstream understanding of the term a long time back.  It was rapidly followed by 'accountability', 'transparency' and 'competence'.   'Morals', 'ethics and 'empathy' are in hot pursuit.

Now it looks like they want to abdicate responsibility for the problems their planning decisions will cause us by shunting responsibility for mitigating those problems onto the very same people whose opinions the councillors chose to ignore when they granted planning permission.

Epic. Every day in every way it gets a little bit easier to understand why the Town is in such a shit state.