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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #120 on: June 20, 2012, 07:41:09 AM »
Latest instalment has just appeared on the Oakhurst blog -

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I would like to close the old Purton Road link somewhere just short of Thamesdown Drive and tell the folks up there to find their own way someplace else.  But then it can’t be done, it would be really nice, it would change the whole dynamic of driving around West Swindon.  It would also open up Mead Way wonderfully.

Maybe I ought to actually blow the road up, but there you go".


Does this guy actually think he's funny?  He appears to be the ultimate Nimby.  No development in West Swindon but just pile it up in the North?  Where are the NDA councillors to protect the North from their Nimby colleagues? 

Still, it's always reassuring to have local councillors who can't remember that they said something completely different in March.  Perhaps after 26 years it's time to put Nick Martin out to pasture?  Perhaps too many years in the blu arena has affected his thinking?


Is that in the Link magazine where he said something along the lines of all the infrastructure is in place or something like that?

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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #121 on: June 20, 2012, 08:03:31 AM »
I think Cllr Martin' s statement confirms what most people know... He had a lobotomy a few years ago. Seriously, is this guy for real! Frightening that sucha person is still a councillor. If he actually tried to blow something up he would almost cetainly mess it up and blow himself up at the same time. Now there's a thought!

Development in North affects traffic in west swindon and vice versa. Anybody who lives there knows that.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #122 on: June 20, 2012, 09:17:41 AM »
I think Cllr Martin' s statement confirms what most people know... He had a lobotomy a few years ago. Seriously, is this guy for real! Frightening that sucha person is still a councillor. If he actually tried to blow something up he would almost cetainly mess it up and blow himself up at the same time. Now there's a thought!

Development in North affects traffic in west swindon and vice versa. Anybody who lives there knows that.

It is the inconsistency that percolates throughout this application that is manifesting itself here. If development on Ridgeway Farm, Washpool and Pry Farm is bad for Swindon. Why is Tadpole farm not presenting similar problems?

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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #123 on: June 20, 2012, 10:41:34 AM »
Cllr Nick Martin in his own way has stated the blindingly obvious, albeit he sometimes use unconventional words or malorprisms. I think the point he makes is Meadway is chocker and more and more  people are are getting  fed up with it.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #124 on: June 20, 2012, 11:01:16 AM »
As an Oakhurst resident the two quickest ways to town centre are either via cheney manor (this is the taxi driver route) or down Mead Way past Fitness First. Both routes start from Oakhurst Way. Up until the Northern link road to A419 is open to normal traffic all the Tadpole Farm traffic will also take both these routes to town centre. Result more traffic on Mead Way and in Cheney Manor. But hey everything is OK because Cllr Martin says the infrastructure is in place for TF!!! No need to worry then.

The Tories are f**king North Swindon and West Swindon up. They are concreting it over, taking the s106 money and spending it everywhere else in Swindon. People need to wake up
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #125 on: June 20, 2012, 11:09:38 AM »
@ George Elliott
"It is the inconsistency that percolates throughout this application that is manifesting itself here. If development on Ridgeway Farm, Washpool and Pry Farm is bad for Swindon. Why is Tadpole farm not presenting similar problems?"

All about s106 lovely bubbly money for the councillors. Build at TF SBC gets it, build at the other sites you mention Wiltshire gets it.
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« Reply #126 on: June 20, 2012, 11:48:40 AM »
I dont know if I have got it wrong, but I asked our north S. MP, about the near 7 million, that given to the northern sector, central and old town and it all went on the croft fiasco, and he has said it didnt happen and no such money was given in that amount !!!!!!! :wink:

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« Reply #127 on: June 20, 2012, 12:30:52 PM »
Mmm, how interesting - where did it all go then?  Let the NS MP produce written evidence of where it did go because it certainly didn't go towards a brand new Nissen hut in the Northern Sector?  Can't wait jennyb for that sort of eyesore to go up in the North with fluid drips standard issue for everyone attending the school and hard hats in case it falls down!!

All we ever hear is the money didn't go here but we never hear the money went there. 

I hear that the NS MP is getting personal with a North Swindon Residents' Association?  Is that all you can do when the troops let you down?  Blame someone else for your troops' incompetence? 

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« Reply #128 on: June 20, 2012, 02:52:53 PM »
I can't wait to hear about Boudicca's oscar winning performance at planning committee!!  I have heard that she put in several oscar winning performances at the North Locality meetings too.  Which character do you think she usually plays in her performances?  Answers to the talkswindon readership by tomorrow.

Who is Boudicca?  Lost the final battle at Offa's dyke no less?  Does Boudicca have flame-orange hair?  Does she come from the land of St Andrews in the North, accompanied by her friend and the triple hatton jones, now only double hatton jones but who cares about the loss of a hat?

So back to the original question - which character does she play?  The grandma in Red Riding Hood with a personality anomaly?  Grandma, Grandma what big teeth you've got?  All the better for eating you with?

Well, we will have to wait and see -  will listen with mother or should that be listen with grandmother (grr...grr) will be premiering on this forum really soon.  Might betrayal be in the wind for the dwellers in the North?  Drum roll please!


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« Reply #129 on: June 20, 2012, 03:23:01 PM »
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"I hear that the NS MP is getting personal with a North Swindon Residents' Association?  Is that all you can do when the troops let you down?  Blame someone else for your troops' incompetence? "

Dare I say it but I think the honeymoon maybe over for our MP. He is presiding over a planning disaster area in the North. He voted for the inclusion of Tadpole Farm in the emerging core strategy and he did not do enough to prevent it despite lots of words against it. Unfortunately in this world you get judged on results.

His latest tactic seems to be an attempt to smear ORA as an extension of the Labour Party. As someone who is on the ORA committee I can tell you nothing is further from the truth. I actually voted UKIP at the recent elections. Before that I voted for the MP when he was a councillor. I can't speak for the other members of ORA but we have a constitution that does not allow us to be a member of a political party.

I knocked on a lot of doors in Oakhurst gathering objections and I only encountered 2 households who didn't want to sign the ORA objection letter. I personally received thanks from people on the doorstep saying 'thanks for everything you are doing'.

So my message to MP is stop blaming others for a mess that was in your power to stop. ORA has been the single vehicle of resistance to development at TF. By trying to smear us you are really smearing all the residents of Oakhurst
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm. Part 2
« Reply #130 on: June 20, 2012, 04:21:57 PM »
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"I hear that the NS MP is getting personal with a North Swindon Residents' Association?  Is that all you can do when the troops let you down?  Blame someone else for your troops' incompetence? "

Dare I say it but I think the honeymoon maybe over for our MP. He is presiding over a planning disaster area in the North. He voted for the inclusion of Tadpole Farm in the emerging core strategy and he did not do enough to prevent it despite lots of words against it. Unfortunately in this world you get judged on results.

His latest tactic seems to be an attempt to smear ORA as an extension of the Labour Party. As someone who is on the ORA committee I can tell you nothing is further from the truth. I actually voted UKIP at the recent elections. Before that I voted for the MP when he was a councillor. I can't speak for the other members of ORA but we have a constitution that does not allow us to be a member of a political party.

I knocked on a lot of doors in Oakhurst gathering objections and I only encountered 2 households who didn't want to sign the ORA objection letter. I personally received thanks from people on the doorstep saying 'thanks for everything you are doing'.

So my message to MP is stop blaming others for a mess that was in your power to stop. ORA has been the single vehicle of resistance to development at TF. By trying to smear us you are really smearing all the residents of Oakhurst

Welcome to the world of local politics!  If you trace the story of opposition to development at Coate you'll see that various people (mainly on the Swindon Advertiser website) have had a go at smearing the campaign.  The number one smear being claims that the Save Coate campaign had been telling people that Coate Water was going to be developed.  Which couldn't be further from the truth as they'd always been very careful to only refer to Coate.

Oh yeah and talking of Coate, the council started calling it commonhead so don't be surprised if TF suddenly becomes Frog Farm!

I'll give one top tip to all opponents of ANY greenfield development - think long and hard before mounting a 'build elsewhere' campaign, people will see that as NIMBYism (because it is) and as a result you'll lose support.  This is especially true if several members of the planning committee represent wards adjoining/in the area you say should be developed instead!

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« Reply #131 on: June 20, 2012, 04:35:41 PM »
Curious I checked out ORA constitution online
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« Reply #132 on: June 20, 2012, 05:01:12 PM »
"a) Membership shall not be discriminatory based on gender, race, nationality or political opinions.
b) Membership is only available to Individuals aged 18 or over.
c) Full Membership is only available to Individuals who live in the area of benefit (Oakhurst).
d) Members who live outside the area of benefit shall not have the right to vote at any Annual or General Meetings of the Association, nor may be elected to become members of the General Committee. These members shall be known as Associate Members."

Nothing there to stop a Political Party member joining and neither should there be - Party Political membership should however be left at the door and no one of any party should be denied access to the membership on those grounds.   In fact it shouldn't matter, this is a group representing the community and should be open to anyone in it.

However it sound like it was set up to be political (notice the diffference between the higher and lower cases.

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« Reply #133 on: June 20, 2012, 05:19:18 PM »
Nothing there to stop a Political Party member joining and neither should there be - Party Political membership should however be left at the door and no one of any party should be denied access to the membership on those grounds.   In fact it shouldn't matter, this is a group representing the community and should be open to anyone in it.

However it sound like it was set up to be political (notice the diffference between the higher and lower cases.

For general members there are no restrictions, but for committe members there is a conflict of interest requirement that would make it impossible in practice to be on the committee.
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« Reply #135 on: June 20, 2012, 05:38:02 PM »
I dont know if I have got it wrong, but I asked our north S. MP, about the near 7 million, that given to the northern sector, central and old town and it all went on the croft fiasco, and he has said it didnt happen and no such money was given in that amount !!!!!!! :wink:

The sum was £6,374 million received from the Government in late 2009 and given lock,stock and barrel to the Croft.

Our South Swindon MP kindly got this information and the report which supports it on our behalf from Children's services who were somewhat reticent to make it public.

Perhaps the North Swindon MP needs to have a chat with his colleague.

For reference we have the actual report which shows the figures as well as the cover letter from the Government. 
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« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM »
@ the Gorgon

"I'll give one top tip to all opponents of ANY greenfield development - think long and hard before mounting a 'build elsewhere' campaign, people will see that as NIMBYism (because it is) and as a result you'll lose support.  This is especially true if several members of the planning committee represent wards adjoining/in the area you say should be developed instead"

I think you will find that the Tadpole Farm campaign has been focused on the infrastructure argument at TF. Personally, not speaking with my ORA hat on, I find it bemusing that the council is choosing to build houses in the less sustainable parts of Swindon rather than where all the infrastructure is. But hey I'm a NIMBY!  :wink:
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« Reply #137 on: June 20, 2012, 06:01:43 PM »
And there was me thinking that people were against theTF planning application because it had to be approved as the developer would win on appeal, where is the NIMBY in that I arsk myself :o

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« Reply #138 on: June 20, 2012, 06:05:19 PM »
@ jennyb

That's strange what with Justin and Robert sharing an office in Westminster.

Actually I have a simiilar dialogue with Justin on my e-mail which says I am not allowed to publish because it is from Westminster. In it JT basically says he 'can't remember if he actually voted for TF in full council" when the attendance record says he was present and all his colleagues voted for it.
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« Reply #139 on: June 20, 2012, 06:08:35 PM »
What did Ronnie Reagan say again...

"Senator, I have no recollection of..."
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