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Re: Beautiful Airframes (nerd alert - with some arty waffle thrown in)
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2013, 09:56:37 AM »
Talking of medals, did you see the queens speech, and when Prince Charles sat down he had a row em as long as your arm and the majority were  what I call mummies ones, what a nonce , to say nothing of that woman sat beside him like the queen to be!!  and of course he is now admiral of the fleet, air marshal of the airforce and field marshal of the army.. some service he has done..:wink: :wink:

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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2013, 10:24:09 AM »
Talking of medals, did you see the queens speech, and when Prince Charles sat down he had a row em as long as your arm and the majority were  what I call mummies ones, what a nonce , to say nothing of that woman sat beside him like the queen to be!!  and of course he is now admiral of the fleet, air marshal of the airforce and field marshal of the army.. some service he has done..:wink: :wink:
Not a big fan then Ko ?  ;D ;D
Not wanting to stray off topic here, but medals don't bother me too much (just something else to polish!). I'd say I find the 'honours' system more irksome.

Although I'm sure OOT deserves some sort of recognition from the Tiger Brewery for services beyond the call of duty.  :azn:

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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2013, 11:50:19 AM »
Ah now! There was the unique experience of "coming under enemy fire" combined with "The Tiger Brewery."

This was when 205 Squadron blokes used to chuck empty Tiger Tins into the rotating ceiling fans in The Malcolm Club and they were randomly thrown all around the room at very high speed! Happy Days!
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2013, 12:26:10 PM »
aaaahhh...Helen's Bar down Bugis Street, Tiger Tin Tower, and finally a table tennis exhibition the like of which I've never seen since...but then again  I was in when they were needed not feeded......swing the lantern !
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2013, 02:25:21 PM »
Here you are Boots. It's not very good quality full-screen but I'm sure that it will bring a tear to your eye!
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Re: Beautiful Airframes (nerd alert - with some arty waffle thrown in)
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2013, 03:14:04 PM »
What about this one - MADE IN SWINDON! (well, South Marston at least...)

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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2013, 05:44:44 PM »
Nice smooth outline Tobes. I think that the Swift had a range problem though. The designers then hadn't all got the "area rule" concept sorted. (Area Rule: Constant cross- sectional area for as much of the length of the aircraft as possible. ) Examples, I think by chance, were the two seat Hawker Hunter and two seat EE Lightning. A good example, by design, was the Northrop F5.

I keep the radio aerial on my van at a rakish angle to show that I understand these things!
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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2013, 07:25:28 PM »
I shall look out for it, then mutter something disparaging as you pass by ......
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« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2013, 07:26:09 PM »
Less of a range problem and more of a stability problem IIRC.

One held the World Airspeed Record! (and it was built in Swindon - meaning that we had two record holding speedsters built here, the other was the City of Truro steam engine!)
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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2013, 08:48:29 PM »
I'm sure that you will not be alone Mart!
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Stability Tobes? Generally "If it looks OK, then it is OK." and the Swift looked OK. I shall have to revisit my books. Did they build a navel version? I seem to recall something about that.
I imagine that with a modern set of controls and a high bypass engine, it would have gone like hell!
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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2013, 09:13:42 PM »
Excellent site here which (if you don't already know it) you should love ;-)

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/swift/

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After the DH.110 disaster at Farnborough, more modifications were carried out on the Swift prototypes and they resumed flying in February 1953. In March that year the first production Swift F.1 flew. While the first of the F.1s were in production, armament was increased to four 30mm Aden cannon (after the Hunter had shown this to be possible), and the Swift F.2 was born. Unfortunately the extra room required for the extra ammunition was made by extending the wings forward at the fuselage join, and this caused a problem whereby the Swift could go into an abrupt pitch-up attitude, flipping onto its back in a matter of seconds. A number of fixes were made but none fully solved the problem until extra ballast was added to the nose of the aircraft. Obviously, this had the effect of making the aircraft rather less sprightly!
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Re: Beautiful Airframes (nerd alert - with some arty waffle thrown in)
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2013, 09:36:09 AM »

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Re: Beautiful Airframes (nerd alert - with some arty waffle thrown in)
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2013, 02:22:08 PM »
Nice one Muggs!  ;D

A navel aircraft sounds pretty novel! ;-) - You'll be in trouble with the fish-heads Outoftowner!!!

... The navy flies naval aircraft....!

Is this a navel aircraft?

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« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2013, 04:49:54 PM »


Hi people who like Aeroplanes..... I thought you might like this ... I just asked a good friend of mine who flew in the RAF what he knew about the "Swift" & this is his reply ....

" I was flying a Swift Mk5 in Germany on a low level photo reconnaissance sortie .We had decided to use a photograph of an inverted SwiftSquadron on  our Christmas card". It was a beautiful summer's day and we could see the Minden gap from some 30 or 40 miles away so I told Taffy to try one more practice pass before we reached the statue. I had just inverted at about 400 ft and 250 knots when there was an enormous bang and the revs rapidly died, subsequently found to be due to a bearing failure. I rolled the right way up, still in power control, climbed and ejected at about 600 ft. Taffy managed to get a photograph of a Swift with full aileron deflection and molten metal coming out of the jet pipe.

The seat in the Swift was the Martin Baker Mk 2 (G, I think) which was automatic but still had 2 harnesses. The first thing I remember after ejecting was a tremendous wrench on my left leg as the parachute opened and I found myself hanging upside down. I can remember seeing the river Weser below and wondering how I could guide myself away from it with the lift webs about ten feet above me. However, I barely had time to inflate the Mae West before falling headfirst into the middle of the Weser about ten. miles south of Hamlin. In hindsight if I had not landed in the river I would probably have broken my neck. On landing in the river my harness fell away completely and by the time I reached the bank I realised that it was only the friction between the lap strap buckle and the seat loop which held my leg and this released when the weight was reduced. I was fortunately picked up by a British Army patrol and taken to Rinteln Army hospital for back X?ray, where I was pronounced fit. They did in fact X?ray the wrong area because it was discovered about eighteen months later that I had fused three vertebrae and lost 1/2 inch in height. However, it did not stop me continuing flying. "

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« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2013, 05:40:14 PM »
Yikes!!! Remember that video that we watched at Halton Weeble about checking your straps!

(Never mind the Fish-heads. They have taken a ski-jump carrier, HMS Illustrious,  into the Thames without seemingly knowing that they no longer have any fixed wing aircraft. Unless they count the Gloster Gladiator that flew over it while Matt Baker was talking carp on The One Show the other night.)
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« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2013, 06:19:37 PM »
Carole - what a fantastic anecdote. I wonder if your friend might drop that story to Thunder and Lightnings - it really brings history to life.
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« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2013, 07:32:15 PM »
Seeing him this week Tobes - so I'll mention it & see if he will - he's got lots of great stories of his aerial adventures !

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« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2013, 08:42:14 PM »
Anyone remember those blue rear car window stickers that read 'Fly Navy'   back in the 70s ?

We (63 Sqn Regiment) designed our own which when added to an unsuspecting fish'ead's car rear window read....

                                                                              FLY NAVY FOR FUN

                                                                   FLY PROFESSIONALLY WITH THE RAF


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« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2013, 09:16:29 PM »
He! He! Boots
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