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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2013, 04:18:31 PM »
just seen two gritters going down the 419 towards junc 15, so they do come out then....


Yeah that would be gritting the motorway..... Under contract for money.


Would want to miss out on extra cash. Sod the proles living in swindon WHO pay for the damn stuff and whose roads are still rivers of ice
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2013, 07:49:44 PM »
just seen two gritters going down the 419 towards junc 15, so they do come out then....


Yeah that would be gritting the motorway..... Under contract for money.


Would want to miss out on extra cash. Sod the proles living in swindon WHO pay for the damn stuff and whose roads are still rivers of ice

As I said it all contained in the detail of the contract between SCS and SBC, but you have to ask for what do you pay your council tax?
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2013, 07:59:04 PM »
One week on and the footpaths through Shaw Ridge are largely covered in very slippery compacted snow. I've taken to walking on the less compacted snow on the grass beside the footpath, and I can tell that I'm not the only one. The main roads (the ones I've been on anyway) have been pretty much clear since Saturday, surely some grit can be spared for the benefit of pedestrians?

I'm minded to venture out with my spade tomorrow to clear myself a non-slippery route to the nearest bus stop.

As I said it all contained in the detail of the contract between SCS and SBC, but you have to ask for what do you pay your council tax?

A point which I think people should consider next time cllr Bluh boasts about the lack of increase in council tax
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2013, 08:13:27 PM »
I'm minded to venture out with my spade tomorrow to clear myself a non-slippery route to the nearest bus stop.

You should have been at Scrutiny on Monday night Simon when Rod Bluh proudly announced that he had cleared the area outside his house in Clifton Street and had tweeted that he expected the good citizens of Swindon to do the same!
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »
those two gritters I saw were following each down the 419, and spreading the grit as they went, certainly not on the motorway but the 419.. :wink: :wink: and perhaps we should have the same laws as they do in Germany, there the householder is responsible for the pathways outside their houses, with regard to snow clearance etc.. On Sunday,when I took a barrow down to Jefferies Ave, to get some grit, to put on the bend outside our house, I found nearly every house in the street had its driveway clear and loads of grit down on them and the pathways, and the grit bin was empty.  Its there to put the grit on the slope that goes into school at the bottom of the road..
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2013, 08:34:17 PM »
I'm minded to venture out with my spade tomorrow to clear myself a non-slippery route to the nearest bus stop.

You should have been at Scrutiny on Monday night Simon when Rod Bluh proudly announced that he had cleared the area outside his house in Clifton Street and had tweeted that he expected the good citizens of Swindon to do the same!

I guess this is what "big society" means. I don't have time during the working week between waking up and needing to be at work to do such a thing, and by the time I get home after work the sun has gone down. If it was left to me, the footpaths wouldn't be cleared until the next weekend. Does that make me a shirker, skiver or other derogatory term? And if so, does the same apply to all the other people who live near me and haven't yet cleared the way to the nearest bus stop?
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2013, 07:02:23 AM »
:wink: :wink: and perhaps we should have the same laws as they do in Germany, there the householder is responsible for the pathways outside their houses, with regard to snow clearance etc..

Kohima I thought you don't want to be in Europe in one thread but then you support doing what they do in Germany with their footpaths in this thread  :wink: :wink:
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2013, 08:38:13 AM »
:wink: :wink: and perhaps we should have the same laws as they do in Germany, there the householder is responsible for the pathways outside their houses, with regard to snow clearance etc..

Kohima I thought you don't want to be in Europe in one thread but then you support doing what they do in Germany with their footpaths in this thread  :wink: :wink:

They do the same in Canada, perhaps K meant Canada?  :wink:

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2013, 11:10:02 AM »
No I meant Germany, as that is something I think we should take on board here, as for the EU, well I could live without it and I think many others could as well, only I doubt if we ever get the vote to reflect those views. cameron will hide behind curtain after curtain, and milliband wont let the voters have a say anyway..

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2013, 12:41:07 PM »
just seen two gritters going down the 419 towards junc 15, so they do come out then....


Yeah that would be gritting the motorway..... Under contract for money.


Would want to miss out on extra cash. Sod the proles living in swindon WHO pay for the damn stuff and whose roads are still rivers of ice

As I said it all contained in the detail of the contract between SCS and SBC, but you have to ask for what do you pay your council tax?

I don't think SBC or SCS have anything to do with the A419. Responsibility for motorways and trunk roads falls under the Highways Agency. In the case of the A419, I think the HA contract services out to RMS (Road Management Services).

The HA wouldn't allow SCS anywhere near the motorway.

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2013, 01:36:41 PM »
just seen two gritters going down the 419 towards junc 15, so they do come out then....


Yeah that would be gritting the motorway..... Under contract for money.


Would want to miss out on extra cash. Sod the proles living in swindon WHO pay for the damn stuff and whose roads are still rivers of ice

As I said it all contained in the detail of the contract between SCS and SBC, but you have to ask for what do you pay your council tax?

I don't think SBC or SCS have anything to do with the A419. Responsibility for motorways and trunk roads falls under the Highways Agency. In the case of the A419, I think the HA contract services out to RMS (Road Management Services).

The HA wouldn't allow SCS anywhere near the motorway.

And guess who Road Management Services contract that out to?
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2013, 05:58:51 PM »
 Kohima I thought you don't want to be in Europe in one thread but then you support doing what they do in Germany with their footpaths in this thread

It is an inconvenient cartographical fact that we are in Europe. A completely different proposition from being in the EU where even now a Belgian is probably completing the 27th volume of his proposals for snow clearance legislation for member countries.

The Germans are some way ahead:

http://www.german-way.com/ice-snow-removal.html

I sense expensive harmonisation in the air, certainly a focus group or three anyway.

I did notice the gritters did a fabulous job around here last night, they used a couple of new products called 'milder weather' and 'rain'. Worked an absolute treat and are, I understand, very cost effective and reliable.



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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2013, 06:19:21 PM »
Meanwhile in Norway...



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Having got through the past week without slipping and falling on my backside, it finally happened today, just when the snow & ice is melting of its own accord. I suspect it happened because it's melting - the thin layer of meltwater on top of the compacted snow makes it even more slippery. Fortunately I wasn't hurt, just mildly embarassed  :embarassed:

I didn't bother taking my spade to the local footpaths in the end, given the amount of melting which has been happening since I went to bed last night. I will review the situation again tomorrow to see whether such action is necessary to allow me to reach the nearest bus stop on Monday morning without involuntary slippage.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2013, 06:28:30 PM »
I remain sceptical about that photo, how do they manage the thaw?  How do they cut it that straight in the first place?
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2013, 07:04:07 PM »
I remain sceptical about that photo, how do they manage the thaw?  How do they cut it that straight in the first place?

I suspect they don't wait for the snow to get that thick before starting. As soon as it starts falling (or before) they start gritting the road, and as the snow keeps falling and building up on either side of the road they keep coming back and making sure that the road remains clear.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2013, 07:16:25 PM »
I saw this done on the discovery channel using snow blowers the snow packs hard and freezes solid. They can do this up to a height of 50 feet. Higher than that and somehow it bows and pushes the bottom out into the road causing collapses. The collapses are dangerous as they are chunks of ice like bergs. The bloke doing the filming was in a Mercedes and it looked like a Matchbox toy next to the snow bank.





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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2013, 12:45:16 PM »
I've been to Norway in February.

We stayed up in the fjords in what appeared to be a rural location in as much as there was sod all to do except watch snow fall, and the occasional Bambi like Brit. Sometimes we were rewarded with a satisfying 'crack' as a wrist bone snapped.

The locals apparently coped by making few, if any concessions. Public transport seemed to consist of strange lorry / coach hybrids with extremely butch tyres, the locals plugged their cars in to some sort of electrical heater jobbies and took a very sanguine approach to bumping into things like other cars and street furniture.

I drank a lot and learned to say hovercraft in Norwegian. None of the locals had any recollection of Kirk Douglas being Norwegian. I did not see a troll. Not all Norwegians are called 'Stig'.

There was a complete absence of 30 minute news specials  devoted to snow which, to my recollection, was unfortunate andbecause it would have considerably pepped up Norwegian TV.

In a word the Norwegian reaction to snow would appear to be 'whatever'.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2013, 03:47:17 PM »
Mart Quote: We stayed up in the fjords in what appeared to be a rural location in as much as there was sod all to do except watch snow fall,

Thought people did that to see the Northern Lights?  I take it you di not see them?
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