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Wot no grit?
« on: January 18, 2013, 05:12:25 PM »
I was one of those foolhardy individuals who ignored sensible advice and braved the snow to go to work today. I managed to get into town before Thamesdown suspended all their bus services, and got home safely too after they were resumed at 2:30 (although the bus did slide around a bit when going past Asda), but I didn't see a single gritted road all day. I know they can't grit every road, but surely they could the main roads? And it's not like we weren't expecting snow.

From what I've been reading on facebook since getting home it seems no roads in Swindon were gritted, and the only grit I saw was a few bits scattered seemingly at random in the pedestrianised bits of the town centre. Why is this?

Sort of related, Thamesdown and Stagecoach have put up pages with details of changes to bus services as a result of the weather.

http://www.thamesdown-transport.co.uk/index.asp?m=207&s=210&c=3102 currently says

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We have checked our routes and we will be resuming a limited number of Swindon town services at 1430 today. However, all services will be suspended again at 2000 tonight.
 
The services we will operate are:
Services 1/1A - full route except for the Link Centre bus stop
Service 2 - full route
Service 11 - full route except not going into Croft Campus or East Wichel
Service 12 - will run between Asda Walmart and the Great Western Hospital only
Services 13/14 - full route
Service 15 - full route
Service 15A - full route to Tawny Owl then Thamesdown Drive, Garsington Drive, Oakhurst Way and Thamesdown Drive direct to Asda Walmart.
Service 16 - full route
Service 17 - full route
Service 18 - full route
Service 19 - full route to Westlea Fire Station then Mead Way, Cartwright Drive, Roughmoor Way and Swinley Drive to Peatmoor and Sparcells
Service 19A - full route except direct from Mead Way to Westlea Fire station
Service 20 - full route
Service 25 - full route
Service 27 - full route
Service 29 - full route
 
All other Thamesdown services remain suspended for the rest of today.


http://www.stagecoachbus.com/serviceupdatedetails.aspx?Id=6501 currently says

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Some Delays & Cancellations. Follow link for details, or call (01793) 521 415.

Last Updated : 18 January 2013 14:33

Service 6 - Normal service

Service 7 - Not serving South Marston Industrial Park.  Services will only run as far as the Fox roundabout in Highworth.

Service 8 - 20 minute service, not serving Toothill

Service 49 - Cancelled

Service 51 - Cancelled

Service 53 - Cancelled

Service 55 - Serving Wootton Bassett only via main road to Coped Hall roundabout (Landrover garage)

Service 66 - main road only (A420), not serving Shrivenham, Watchfield, Faringdon, or Southmoor.  There will be a 1630 departure to both Oxford and Swindon from the roudabout in Watchfield.  The 2210 departure from Swindon and the 2325 departure from Oxford are cancelled.

Service 70 -Cancelled

Service 71 - Cancelled

Service 72 - Intermittent service


Hopefully those links will be updated again tomorrow.


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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 05:41:16 PM »
Simon

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From what I've been reading on facebook since getting home it seems no roads in Swindon were gritted, and the only grit I saw was a few bits scattered seemingly at random in the pedestrianised bits of the town centre. Why is this?
People on Facebook Could have been mistaken a councillor David Renard tweeted this. He was talking of Swindon  I think :santa_undecided:
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Council gritting crews are working 24/7 to treat the roads. They completed two 270-mile routes, incl all the main roads across the Borough

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 06:07:54 PM »
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Council gritting crews are working 24/7 to treat the roads. They completed two 270-mile routes, incl all the main roads across the Borough


mmm I bet the drivers trying to get up a small incline on Westfield Way this morning at 8.00am might take issue with Coun Renard. No grit - no way


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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 06:27:19 PM »
Even Kingshill Road, which must be an undisputed main road and one worthy of a grit or two was closed this AM - according to the radio. 

I have no doubt that they might have been gritting 24/7 but we need more than one gritting truck in Swindon. Please!

And I have been advised on facebook, by our Locality team, that updates are available on Twitter - great for those who twitter!

The best way is to use a whole armoury of information giving - including the good old BBC local
to which I have been listening all day, however Facebook and my 'friends' have been the best news spreaders and finder outers.

I look forward to joining twitter when I get my new phone! 

Silly me I phoned my brother (80 - pushing 81, but fitter than me but deaf, so can't hear the radio) to check that he was Ok and staying in and to inform him about the state of the roads, in case he was thinking of driving anywhere) He didn't get my message because he was out of pay as you go, so had to go to the shops to get some put on - sort of defeated the reason I phoned him in the first place.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 06:49:39 PM »
It's been suggested to me on FB that the roads were gritted last night but that it doesn't do any good when the snow is still falling. I'm not sure why this would be.

Reading more on FB it seems that there's been some gritting going on, but I'm pretty sure it hadn't happened on any of the roads I travelled on or crossed today. Admittedly I only travelled from Grange Park to the town centre and back and my FB friends who are posting on the same subject are a random scattering around Swindon and other parts of the world, so I'm seeing more of a lack of evidence of gritting rather than evidence of an absence of gritting.

The image from today which will probably stay with me is of several cars not being able to get up the slip road from the Link Centre bus stops to the Whitehill Way roundabout, people lending a hand to give them a push, and said people themselves repeatedly losing their footing - that was the moment when I started thinking I should have stayed at home.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 07:23:14 PM »
In my experience if the road is covered in dark brown/black slush then chances are it has been gritted at some point. If the snow is white/grey and compacted then the road hasn't been gritted.

It's not an exact way of telling though...  :santa_undecided:

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 08:02:36 PM »
I saw them gritting Great Western Way last night.

I got up at 5 this morning.
No snow, so I rode a motorbike to work.

By the time I arrived it was pretty dodgy.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2013, 10:11:12 PM »
Lots of local complaints around Eascott ward regarding Victoria Hill which gave every impression of not having been gritted...
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2013, 11:45:46 PM »

It's a balmy 7C in Plymouth tonight although North of Telegraph hill the picture is quite different.


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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 08:01:37 AM »
"It's been suggested to me on FB that the roads were gritted last night but that it doesn't do any good when the snow is still falling. I'm not sure why this would be."

Apparently it needs traffic over it to activate it - there was a short disucssion on this on raido yesterday.  I remarked to Mr Muggins - who is out trying the roads right now - tha they ought to put a call out like "we're gritting your roads right now come out and drive behind us!"

Of my facebook friends only two mentioned seeing griters, one at West Swindon and another at Highworth. and out locality team who mnetioned that people were helping each other at Highworth  i.e. a farmer was out with his tractor helping people get through.

Did I hear a report somewhere that the government are asking farmers to help out at these time and are they offering them an incentive so to do? 
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 08:17:29 AM »

Did I hear a report somewhere that the government are asking farmers to help out at these time and are they offering them an incentive so to do?

Farmers have always had a reputation for clearing roads in rural areas without being asked to do so. That being said, I think I'm snowed in at Longcot - not that it bothers me as I don't get out much even when I can.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2013, 02:31:17 PM »
Because of no replies to either telephone calls or emails about the bend in the road outside my house, I went,with barrow etc to the grit bin in Jefferies Ave, the bin is there because of the slope of the road into the Crowdy's hill school, when I got there, I found the residents of the street think the bin is for them and nearly every driveway and pavement outside their houses has been gritted and the bin is now empty.. If it snows in the morning, like they say, then they wont be able to get into school on monday morning as the road wont be gritted.... :santa_wink: :santa_wink:

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2013, 04:01:05 PM »
Typical Ko,  if they chucked it over the road it would go further and every one would benefit.

One of my neighbours facebooked to say a gritter had gone around our street.  We've been in and didn't see it, but more importantly, we thought, we didn't hear it. However, it looks like it, becsue we now have oragny brown slushy stuff - so thanks, becaus i think that about the second time ever! 

Well since we've lived here anyway, in the 80's, if had laid like it did yesterday, all the chaps and some of the girls, got out and dug us out. Except for the one (there is always one) who waited for them to finish and then was the first to drvie out.
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2013, 05:01:41 PM »
One moderately nerve-wracking bike journey into town and back later, I can confirm that the main roads are in a much more satisfactory state today. Shame the same can't be said of the paths and cycleways  :santa_rolleyes:
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2013, 05:22:07 PM »
No chance of getting the scooter out, so I'm confined to barracks until at least Monday evening.

However the paperboy delivered the Adver on his bike this morning, wasn't that late either.

No milk delivery though.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2013, 05:43:47 PM »
I'm just watching a programme on BBC2 about the winter of 1963 and frankly what we've had in the past few days is nothing in comparison to back then. The snow started on Boxing Day and didn't clear until February  :santa_shocked:


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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2013, 05:59:01 PM »
I know - I keep telling my facebook friends that!   And actually the snow was still on the sides of the roads around Swindon on 22nd March that year and it was still laying there for a few more weeks.

But the worse thing was the COLDDDDddddd. No central heating, no indoor loo, NOTHING mechnical came down our street for at least a couple of weeks. 

Any cars (and there were a precious few of them then) that were in their garages on the evening the snow fell stayed there until they could be dug out, the raging wind that brought the snow drifted it up the doors. 

It's not something I would want to experience twice.

Ps have I mentioned before that I had a baby right in the middle of it!
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2013, 06:14:54 PM »
Was it a sl(sn)ow delivery then..... :santa_wink: :santa_wink:

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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2013, 12:40:03 AM »
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mmm I bet the drivers trying to get up a small incline on Westfield Way this morning at 8.00am might take issue with Coun Renard. No grit - no way

I had  to go to Park South and Lawn yesterday morning (Friday) to take a ninety year old to her Doctor.  The roads were a disgrace including the main arteries such as the Great Western Way and Queens Drive and at no time did I see an operational bus or a gritter. 

Shall I ask Councillor Renard for more details of his claim at Scrutiny on Monday night?  Tempting!

Cartwright Drive is still very bad tonight (Saturday) and as it is on the No 19 route why is it not gritted?  And what are my Councillors Williams (Transport) Martin (Deputy Mayor) and Perkins (Regeneration) doing about it? 

Hasn't SCS had enough time or is the Council in so much debt it cannot afford the salt?

And didn't SCS have sufficient warning from probably the most accurate weather forecast in years?
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Re: Wot no grit?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2013, 09:05:35 AM »
Was it a sl(sn)ow delivery then..... :santa_wink: :santa_wink:

As it happens, yes it was, on both counts...... :santa_smiley: :santa_smiley: :santa_smiley:

Richard, I'd say it was lack of staff to man the gritters, did you know there is a quarter of the staff they had ten years ago?  'Course you did, but possibly service planners do not?

And it was accurate wasn't it - well done Met men.  Only thing is, at one time you had half a chance they'd be wrong!!!!
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