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Up from 42p to 45p tonight. I'm hot exactly "hard up" but I'm seriously thinking of giving it a miss on Mondays when it's a very slim publication.
What they going to spend all that extra income on?



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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 04:23:42 PM »
Perhaps employ a journalist ?
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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 04:31:53 PM »

Have it delivered and pay by direct debit, and it's a more reasonable £2 per week for 6 editions - 33p each :)

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 06:08:30 PM »
If you want a local press, pay for it. If you don't, don't belly ache that nobody knows whats happening and that there's no effective means to hold politards and dodgy local businessmen to account. That's my strong belief.

No one I know at The Adver is coining it - and all are very much aware that with the local print industry in decline across the UK, their jobs are far from secure.

Given that the quality our local radio is often <ahem> 'less than brilliant', I think the paper deserves our support - whatever disagreements we may have had with their editorial stance in the past, and what ever mistakes are made by journalists on very low salaries.

£2 a week is nothing in the scale of things - less than a single medium coffee from a tax-avoiding caffeine emporium ;-)
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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 07:57:25 PM »
I pay nothing.

I just sits here and reads the noteworthy bits you pick out for me.
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Re: Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 11:30:01 PM »
£2 a week is nothing in the scale of things - less than a single medium coffee from a tax-avoiding caffeine emporium ;-)

I get six copies of the Adver each week, through my letterbox by 8 am for less than 1/200th of a Reindeer 8)

I doubt that even Covingham's Reindeer Man or his sidekick 'Curley Hurley' would describ £2 as 'scandalous waste'.

I think Swindon is a slightly better place with the Adver than without - even if the pride awards have turned into another outlet for political patronage......




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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 07:16:03 AM »
I was featured in the Adver yesterday and last Monday so I bought a few copies.
A town the size of Swindon should retain a local press.
Hard to put a maximum value on that
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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 07:34:24 AM »
We get it delivered but only three times a week. The letters page is well worth reading usually- and I like Barrie Hudson's column.

It would be interesting to have some real investigation, especially now there isn't anything from the BBC  raising awareness  of local issues- what a huge loss.

Sadly there are a lot of people, particularly the more elderly, who are still afraid of the internet so their contribution and sense of community is  is lost unless a local newspaper is available.

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 07:50:43 AM »
I buy it most days.

I also read it online which is not an option open to all.

The press is important and local press is too.

Use it or lose it.



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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 08:53:57 AM »
Use it or lose it.

It will eventually go the way of

Telegrams and telex
The Fax Machine
Ceefax
Teletext
Laundry services
The people who put petrol in your cars for you
The village school
The local pub
Corner shop
Black Cabs
A comprehensive bus service
A comprehensive rail service to local stations
Steam lorries
Traction engines
The catapult
Terrestrial television signals
Morse code
Hippies

Is it called progress me thinks :hippy:

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 09:08:21 AM »
I see that the bicycle is not on the list.

Wasn't that forecast to be extinct by the onset of the car?

Bicycles appear to be abound these days.

Maybe it is the lure of lycra?

I think the Monarchy was also supposed to be on the wane ...in the Annus Horriblus perhaps?

Another renaissance ..

The printed press may have to change ( and God help me I don't mean a la Levenson).. but that it is usually what determines survival of the species..
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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 09:56:24 AM »
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Maybe it is the lure of lycra?

Behave yourself

No on second thoughts, tell us more  >:D
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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 10:10:47 AM »
When we cancelled, a few weeks ago, and with delivery up until Saturday when our subscription came to an end, we had a phone call for our reasons. My wife explained that the paper had gone a bit too far towards Tory political propoganda now, and that we don't want to read the ramblings of Tomlinson, Perkins, Bluh, the lawyer and any other Conservative in a column of the usual lies and 'it isn't us - it was Labour wot dun it' night after night! Coupled with long-shot theories of what the improvements to the town could achiev in the form of pipe-dreams printed with artists impressions all across the front page and PDC's thoughts all over the back end ... the paper has well and truly lost it!

We suggested that they were alienating a huge number of non-Tories in the town and that putting up the price of the Tory comic yet again, and saying how good they were, was a final straw! The man on the line gave the impression that there could be a deal on the cards if we changed our minds ... we paid by Direct Debit anyway, but it is going up above the two quid a week that has been reported in this thread and it will not stay at that price for long we understand. It will reach the cost of a second class stamp in the new year and by 2015, if still in circulation, it will exceed the price of admission at the County Ground, probably?

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Timr for a proper online, unpolitically biased daily news which could be susidised by advertising in a similar way. We don't need constant reminders of what every 'notable' Tory looks like in this town, superimposed on every issue with a tacky photo, just the information is necessary. All notices, announcements and what's ons could be accommodated quite simply. From what I see on here and elsewhere there are some talented web designers and operators in this town who could be the forerunners of a new system of up to date news without bias?

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 11:25:53 AM »
Morsey, I agree with the basic content of your blog, but to call it a tory wag is a bit much, if you go back to the days of wills and drown, do you think we got a life of rosebowls and nothing else, they even put their rants in the local outlook papers, so its not just one sided.  If you do think it is tory led, then speak to a lady called Pauline Howard, who runs the letter page, and ask her about democracy and the right of reply.... :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 11:44:58 AM »
Councillor Dave Wood appears in it quite often.

I think the bike may have persevered because people still walk and there was me thinking it was the end of the horse that was predicted by the introduction of the Horseless carriage. Apart from the transporting  the Queen, the odd bride, hearse or delivery of beer horses are not generally seen in town centres these days  :wink:

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 02:58:16 PM »
To be fair to the Adver, whilst they do feature the Tories quite a lot, that's because they are our elected reps,  so they would as a local rag, report on what the Leader of the Council, the MP and members of the Cabinet as being elected by a majority of 'some' of the residents of this town.

If the MP, Leader and cabinet, changed party tomorrow, you'd see the difference.  So they are reporting on the postion not the person or the party.  Mind it's how they report!  It would be good to have some opposition sometimes. No we do get some sometimes, we need more!

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 03:18:39 PM »
I pay nothing.

I just sits here and reads the noteworthy bits you pick out for me.

 ;D  Yeah, but... you are an opinion-forming net contributor to the gumbo of Swindons commentariat into which journalists regularly dip their inky spoons and therefore take less than you give :wink:


When we cancelled, a few weeks ago, and with delivery up until Saturday when our subscription came to an end, we had a phone call for our reasons. My wife explained that the paper had gone a bit too far towards Tory political propoganda now, and that we don't want to read the ramblings of Tomlinson, Perkins, Bluh, the lawyer and any other Conservative in a column of the usual lies and 'it isn't us - it was Labour wot dun it' night after night! Coupled with long-shot theories of what the improvements to the town could achiev in the form of pipe-dreams printed with artists impressions all across the front page and PDC's thoughts all over the back end ... the paper has well and truly lost it!

Any paper wants content.  I think it's more likely that Mssrs Tomlinson & Buckland are more efficient at, (and determined to), provide content than their political opposites are.  This isn't so much a sign of political bias as a lack of effort from the opposition.

Of course it's possible that the opposition are submitting content to the Adver in similar quantities to the Conservative MP's, activists and Bluhligan Councillors and it is not being published by the Adver, but if this were happening I would expect the authors of such material to be screaming about it....but we're not hearing any screaming from them, neither are we seeing a steady procession of cheesed-off opposition councillors and candidates publishing their comments & articles here on Talkswindon.....

....but they are publishing articles on the 'official' party websites and blogs which seems to suggest that they are operating to a media 'plan', are under centralised control are doing the deliberate minimum in a carefully orchestrated strategy, are simply crap at it or lazy.   One notable exception to this is Cllr Derique Montaut, (Labour), who is particularly good at keeping his Adver profile current and interesting with a steady, (but not so many that he's over the top), stream of resident-related stories and issues.  (Do you know what, I think I've under-rated Monty as an all-rounder!).

One side shouldn't really claim that a newspaper is politically biased if it's not bothering to submit content to the paper itself.  Claiming bias and blaming the newspaper because someone else is bothering to submit content to it, (when you are not), is not the best way to present a winning case.

What we're seeing is an imbalance caused by lack of effort.


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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 03:19:31 PM »
It would be good to have some opposition sometimes. No we do get some sometimes, we need more!

Spot on.

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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 03:49:59 PM »
Geoff Quote "Swindons commentariat"

Love it, love it, can I be one too............   :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: How much more can the Adver put up its price before you stop reading?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 05:29:23 PM »
I'm afraid the paper has ALWAYS had a party bias towards the Tories ... the owners of the publishing group have never given extra coverage in a partisan fashion to any political party other than the Conservatives, it's true. I can go back many years, even when the paper actually contributed to the local scene with actual facts, in depth reporting prior to and after events and had not just one banner headline on the front and similar on the back page. It has depreciated in common value as a bringer of up-to-the-minute news and is just not worth buying for the content.

I cannot recollect the same treatment for previous Labour politicians in this town, with huge majorities as well, in having almost a nightly propoganda opportunity by way of established slots, and not having to win space for their own political ramblings and often untruths of the Tories as they do and have to almost go to law to get any coverage unlike the 'offered for publication' on spec picture as has been mooted on here?  I think they are disillusioned with not really having a local, professional press office like the Conservatives seem to have, but we will see at some short time in the future after the current MPs run out of excuses ... "It wasn't our doing ... Labour caused the world financial collapse ... so we have to cane every poor persons' bottoms to save our grandchildren from picking up the debt from the likes of Brown, Smith, Blair, Darling and so on!"  Food and drink to a Tory rag that is the Sadver!

The sitting members did not exactly win their positions with a whitewash / landslide type of victory in many cases and the paper totally fails to see that their perfomances have been far from one way success at the ballot box.  It is of my understanding that comments on popular issues do not often appear to include those people who are in opposition and have considerable, yet ignored, clout from the electorate, though not the clear majority required to have position.

I rest my case ... I'm getting angry about the 'poor man's toilet paper'! >:D :D ::) :censored: :knuppel2: