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Blow me a raspberry....
« on: November 04, 2012, 12:33:29 PM »

I bought some raspberry canes this morning, intending to plant them tomorrow: (this blurb is cut and pasted from t'internet.

Octavia - Fruiting before the first of the autumn croppers, from mid July through to early August, Octavia produces large and juicy berries in profusion, all with a delightfully sweet flavour. Well worth a try. Fruits on the previous year's cane which must be tied up to support the crop. The fruit is large, of uniform size, firm, cohesive, blunt and conical to round in shape. It is easily plugged and meaty with fairly good colour and good flavour. The shelf life of Octavia is good, generally better then Glen Ample and consistently much better than Tulameen.

Allgold - Being a sport of 'Autumn Bliss', 'All Gold' has a similar habit and cropping potential. The fruit is, as the name suggests, a rich gold in colour with a very distinct, sweeter and superior flavour to that of 'Autumn Bliss' although not as firm - in fact the fruit almost crumbles in your hand when you pick it.  Recommended by the RHS to be an excellent attractant and nectar source for bees and other beneficial insects.

Malling Jewel - raspberry with short, slightly thorny stems and large, red fruit with a good flavour in autumn. This variety crops well and has good flavour.


I'm quite clear on how I'm going to plant these except for one point which I'll address to our resident experts.

Does the term 'Raspberry Canes' apply to a clump of canes in one pot, or each individual cane in that pot?  if my question isn't clear it's probably because the term 'canes' appears to apply to both multiple plants and the number of stems produced by each plant.

If my question still isn't clear I'll express my confusion/question another way:  I've purchased 3 types of raspberry plants, each plant is in one pot but the description on each pot says: 'Contains 5 raspberry canes'....

...so, does each pot contain 5 separate raspberry canes which need to be separated and planted individually, or does each pot contain just 1 raspberry plant with 5 canes growing from it?

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 01:13:43 PM »
Fecked if I know. Mine died.

Not sure I'd want a meaty and cohesive raspberry anyway. Sounds like an Oxo cube.

Raspeberry Bakewell, mmmmm.
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 01:15:08 PM »
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »
I'm blowed it I know either. The raspberries in my garden do their own thing and appear all over the place, presumably moving along by some sort of tap root mechanism. I would have thought that a cane refers to one cane and not a clump. However clumps of cane can be divided. I'm guessing that you've been sold a clump of 5 canes that I presume you could split if you wanted. 
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 03:51:29 PM »
have you tried knocking out one of the pots to see what it actually contains, maybe you will have the total number of roots there or as jean says, you can break the root down into 5??

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 04:55:42 PM »
'Cause we've bought them for the Orchard and when I was growing up, our neighbour, who had 'dug for victory' by planting up his garden full of fruit bushes -that lasted well into my teens. i.e. he didn't dig them up until well after the war! 

Usually 'canes' that is multiple raspberry roots come in one pot. It might seem a bit careless to sell them that way, but they are so prolific it doesn't matter. And if you only start with one, you will soon have a forest full, they are sturdy growers. 

'How do you get fruit out of them' is another question. You are suppose to chop them right down every year.

Only plant them next to a very friendly neighbour who will enjoy sharing your purchase. 
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 11:57:03 PM »
Thanks all  :)

I turned 'em out - as per K's suggestion - and it turns out that they are 3 plants with 5 canes from each root.

I spent Monday putting in a new raised bed (piccie tomorrow) covered with netting. My raspberry plants occupy half of it, would appreciate suggestions for the other half?

The raspberrys are in heavily manured soil, will strawberries thrive on that?  haven't checked my books yet, just thought I'd ask.

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 08:13:42 AM »
I wouldn't know if the strawberrys would do well next to Raspberries, but I think maybe that the raspberries which love growing off their own roots, might shove them over unless you split the bed with a board between them, or it might be that strawberries might be just the thing as they probably grow closer to the top of the soil. 
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 08:54:11 AM »
Lots of manure is good, so are chicken poop pellets

If I remember they don't like other fruits so much so give them room.

The secret with rasps is pruning them properly after fruiting. Will have to consult the books on that one though

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 08:59:25 AM »
If I remember rightly, and it should have been on Geoffs label, it's a chop off right at the bottom, i.e. just left with stumps!
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 07:11:05 PM »
Tig was quite calm when she realised I'd expanded operations into her sun bathing patch......

Oh lordy, are you in trouble. Insulate the greenhouse.

Calm is bad. Means there's thinking going on.......
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 08:13:20 AM »
Tig knows what side her bread is bettered, and it's the same side that will take the raspberry jam. :)
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 10:05:10 AM »
Tig knows what side her bread is bettered, and it's the same side that will take the raspberry jam. :)


Tig was quite calm when she realised I'd expanded operations into her sun bathing patch......

Oh lordy, are you in trouble. Insulate the greenhouse.

Calm is bad. Means there's thinking going on.......


It's her 40th next month and I have been trading quite heavily on that :)


I made good progress on my fruit frame yesterday - I need to put the netting on the top and both front panels and add a centre post for the training wires.  A bundle of 'Black Butte' blackberry canes should be arriving later this week and they're destined for the left hand side.  Toying with the idea of putting in a couple of Blueberry bushes but I think their soil requirements are quite a bit different to brambley things.

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I might yet make a hinged panel for the roof: If the Raspberries and Blackberrys need to go through the roof I'll hinge the panel upwards - which would then form the rear panel of a temporary height extension, (for the remainder of the growing season), unless it's okay to prune them to a specific height when they're fruiting?


Cost so far:

Wood - £27

Netting - £10

Wood colour/preservative - Had some left in a tin

Screws and nails - Left over from a previous project

Ironmongery - Recycled one of the unused galvanised kickboards from my greenhouse to make the corner supports for the removable front panels.  (I'd decided to glaze the front of my greenhouse down to the floor which left me with 4 galvanised panels to re-use/recycle).

Overall, quite a long way under £50

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 10:19:05 AM »
I'd do a bit of research into the growing ability of the blackberry, Geoff!!! Unless of course, they have now brought in dwarf varieties.  I wouldn't have thought you would need 'a bundle' in that area, one would probably do.

I think Blueberries do better in pots, they are not supposed to be that hardy, - but never tried them myself.

What a bout a few blackcurrant plants?
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 11:22:50 AM »

Just checked my order - it's one plant in a 9cm pot :)

I must have assumed it was a bundle of canes - like Raspberries.

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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2012, 11:55:04 AM »

Done a bit of reading on Blueberries - it seems they like soil suited to ericaceous plants like rhododendrons etc, on the acidic side, and they like to be fed with fertiliser light on nitrogen and heavier on potassium - like tomato feed?

Not sure I want to be maintaining two soil types in one bed so pots, (as per your suggestion), looks like the better option.

The search for ground level fruit plants (to grow alongside/underneath my rasps), continues...

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 02:27:08 PM »
Shame that you can't grow Pineapples for Tig, as I hear they are very good for ladies of a certain age.  :hippy:

Don't forget there are lots of similar plants that be grown in that other bed - though I think you might find that blackberry will probably do a good job of filling the whole thing on it's own.  Loganberry, Worcesterberry, Boysenberry,  and a few more hybrid types that seem the same.
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Re: Blow me a raspberry....
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 07:01:46 PM »
Blueberry bushes but I think their soil requirements are quite a bit different to brambley things.

Frank down the allotment told me about this, acidic I think is right, he also said water with rainwater.

For a pineapple type growing environment go to the Lost Gardens at Heligan, they've got a pineapple growing wossname.

It's well complicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple_Pit
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2012, 08:16:18 AM »
That's why I said it was a shame Geoff wouldn't grow them,

I believe that in the olden days the Pineapple house was next to the fresh manure pile to keep it warm throughout the winter.  Geoff's success therefore would P&*H the Reid household could produce and the tolerance level of their neighbours.
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