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Talking of leaflets, just seen this letter in the Adver -

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/yoursay/swindonletters/10022175.Taking_credit_where_it___s_not_remotely_due/



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Re: Conservative Candidate Accused Of Credit Stealing By Community Leader
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 06:47:02 PM »
I don't blame Keith for being stern about it, one whiff that there are political sidings in that partnership and bang goes any chance of outside (charitable) funding.  Local Councillors should be sensitive to that, if they are not, well, that says something about them.

Chin up, Keith, you are not on your own in your frustrations.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 07:32:35 PM »
I think I had a Labour Mark Dempsey one, rum looking cove, K wouldn't take it with him.

Ringing endorsements from some people I've never heard of and he lives in Swindon which is, apparently, something candidates feel compelled to mention.

My scanner continues to defy me, so you'll have to imagine the leaflet, shiny paper, gurning bloke wiv his missus, loads or promises.

Nice blinky lights on the printer / scanner though and an ickle screen which continues to delight.
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Re: Conservative Candidate Accused Of Credit Stealing By Community Leader
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 06:09:36 AM »
Well I never, the Conservative candidate for Blunsdon and Highworth and his agent, (Geoff Halls again), produce a Pinnochio'esque leaflet worthy of Stan Pajak himself....

.....and the ghost of Northview primary rears it sad head to take another nibble at the now-Westinsterised buttocks of ex-Conservative Cllr and member of the Bluhligan cabinet Justin Tomlinson MP.

For those readers unfamiliar with the Justin Tomlinson/Northview Primary School, (now the community centre in question), a few hints can be gleaned from this February 2010 topic: Northview Primary? which discusses Justin Tomlinsons bizarre abstention from voting on the closure of the school.

When I read the following letter from the Chairman of the Highworth Community Partnership Group........

Quote from: Keith Smith
On Saturday I received an election leaflet from the Conservative party for the Blunsdon and Highworth by-election. I was most dismayed to read the statement ‘the Conservatives delivered the popular Highworth Community Centre’. This statement is entirely untrue. The centre was set up by Highworth Community Partnership Group which is a non-political, non-partisan group organised by and for the residents and businesses of Highworth in 2006 in order to write The Vision for Highworth. Since 2008 it has worked tirelessly to support many improvements in the town.

To suggest the Conservatives delivered the centre is not only blatantly untrue but also a gross insult to the dedicated trustees who have worked tirelessly to open the centre and make it such a success. When the local primary school was closed in 2010, the residents of Highworth were consulted on what to do with the building. Swindon Council was prepared to mothball it. The view of the people at the meeting was that it might be ideal for a community centre. Highworth Community Partnership Group agreed to carry out a feasibility study. From this they set up a charity called Highworth Community Association, whose sole purpose is to run the centre. The centre was finally opened in June 2011. It has already won an award from the national organisation, Action for Market Towns. If anything, the centre is open and operating in such a successful manner despite the frustrations experienced by the trustees in their prolonged and continuing negotiations with Swindon Council. I look forward to an early retraction of the gross mis-information and a public apology from the Conservative Party to the hard working and dedicated members of Highworth Community Partnership Group and to the trustees of the centre who put in long hours of voluntary time for the benefit of the residents of Highworth and the surrounding area.


Keith Smith Chairman, Highworth Community Partnership Group



....I was struck by the notion that since Anthony Peake and Melanie Duff were 'eased' out of their Highworth seats by their former political 'friends', the Bluhligan Conservative contingent are probably far more worried about Doreen Darts vacant council seat than they'd care to admit.  I can't really see that them padding an otherwise bland-looking candidate portfolio with a blatant lie for any reason other than desperation or an increasingly Pajakian attitude towards the 'truth' in election leaflets.  (Mind you, I've often thought that the Bluhligans are more Liberal than traditional Conservatives usually are - Swindon's Bluhligan Tories are definitely a different breed than those in Newbury or other parts of Wiltshire).

In any event, I doubt the candidate or agent will want to pass any comment about their leaflet unless the media choose to press them on it and chase Justin Tomlinson MP for his view on how the community centre was 'delivered' by his council.......

.....and sticking a needle a little deeper into that vein I think even Borough Solicitor Stephen Taylor, (the master of political and semantic interpretation), would struggle to 'interpret' closing a primary school and making it awkward for anyone else to use it as: 'delivering' a community centre.  Further to this, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the only reason the ex-school was released to a community group was because the Bluhligans couldn't find any of their property developing mates to give it away to.  See Pickards Field.


It would be nice to have a copy of Mr Weisingers/Halls leaflet for our perusal and addition to the TS leaflet library - I'm quite happy to come and collect it if needs be :)   


Edit:

Thanks to Harold from Highworth*  TS now has a copy of the offending leaflet for the archive, and for us to peruse.  Thanks again Harold :)


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Mr Weisingers Contentious claim in close-up:







* A personal message to Cllr David Renard: 

"Dear David, much as the thought of you fruitlessly scouring the electoral roll to identify Harold might amuse me, I'll save you the bother, (and Harold the worry), of seeking to identify him.

Misusing the electoral roll isn't clever and isn't funny but when you admitted to doing it via the comments section of the Swindon Advertiser website it did serve to show people how contemptuous of others and their privacy you and your Ilk really are.

'Harold' is not our Lamplighters real name.  It is a pseudonym given to him, by me, to stop people like you, (that's you and the rest of your Ilk Dave),  from inappropriately approaching and pressuring him. "


A snidey aside:  I've recently heard David Renard likened to the 'Olympic Torch' by one of his colleagues, as in: 'He Never goes out' (campaigning).  Harold tells me that he thinks he saw David Renard huffing, puffing, wheezing and whining his way up Harold's road yesterday - if this is so, (should we produce a TS 'Councillor Identification Chart'?), either a whip has been applied to get him out on the campaign trail, or perhaps he presciently foresees the ending of those halcyon days at the pork barrel. 

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Re: Conservative Candidate Accused Of Credit Stealing By Community Leader
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 07:32:14 AM »
On the back of the leaflet posted in the thread it announces( delivered improved bus services) can a Town Councillor do this as I thought it was a Cllr Keith William Jobbbie or is he only wheeled out to cut em?

Surely people in Robert Buckland MP constituency would not be having bus services cut so that Justin Tomlinson MP can have improved bus services delivered by a Town Councillor in his constituency  :-\

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Re: Conservative Candidate Accused Of Credit Stealing By Community Leader
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 02:33:18 AM »

'Good reason to vote Conservative' number 4 ought to to raise eyebrows and, in many cases, ire:


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"The Conservatives have continued to invest in our vital local open spaces, public parks and new allotments"


Let me think for just a second....they declared the Croft and Pickards Field (allotments) as 'surplus to requirements', built an un-needed school on the former and tried to give the latter away to a television celebrity.

I'm interested to know where the new allotments are, firstly because I want one, secondly because the last time I enquired I was told the waiting list is/was many years long.

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"Steve will continue to tackle litter, dog fouling and graffiti"


The Conservatives have sacked so many staff Steve will need to stock up on poo-bags, buckets and litter picking tongs if he's to fulfill this promise......

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Re: Conservative Candidate Accused Of Credit Stealing By Community Leader
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 02:37:20 AM »

Mr Weisingers Leaflet now added at post#3   

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 12:08:44 PM »
When the council has hived off the allotments to a private firm as they continue to strive to do, then they might get run in a proper manner and plots will be then let out, (we have at least 6 on our site not being used), only trouble is the rents will go sky high.... :wink: :wink:

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 12:40:57 PM »
When the council has hived off the allotments to a private firm as they continue to strive to do, then they might get run in a proper manner and plots will be then let out, (we have at least 6 on our site not being used), only trouble is the rents will go sky high.... :wink: :wink:

Have they created any new allotments K, or are they claiming that a change of ownership/management of allotments to be creating new ones?

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 12:44:48 PM »

Ah, a quick Google search of Talkswindon reveals:

The story in the adver broke just this week, the council, or the man in charge, wont do anything about it, they have shut down the pickards small field, 126 plots alone, we have at least 4 on my site which have been empty for years and yet as people have already said, if you ask, your told its let!!, they got rid of the best officer for the job,  and replaced her with a boot licker to say the least, and then replaced her with a man who has about 6 other jobs, so you have no chance,

Im still waiting for a promise about nearly 6 weeks ago, for a skip on the site to take away some rubbish, and a request for a tenant to erect a wind break but no answers, as he is busy elsewhere.... and for this site, and I expect more around the town, the list for tenants is closed due to demand !!. we complained about the water flow rate, (the pipe is too small for the job), they sent up a council worker on a very big tractor and a pair of pliers to see what he could do, nothing, didnt think of bringing a rotovator with him to clear some of the unused plots,,

I reckon, unless Mr Weisinger knows or has noticed something the rest of us have missed, Kohima has already answered my question   :)

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 01:10:15 PM »
"The Conservatives have continued to invest in our vital local open spaces, public parks and new allotments"

Ah, I'm surprised at you. Let's turn to the special political dictionary and have another look at that statement.

The conservatives do indeed invest in vital local open spaces, public parks and new allotments, but, turning to the party speak scrambler, they do not specify what they invest in them as.

The steps are to cut funding so the areas 'return to nature', they miss a trick there, they could briefly identify the areas as 'wildlife parks', then, in the case of an allotment close to my heart they install some (I suspect) eye wateringly expensive fencing and a smashing entry road and, this is the cunning bit, supply all of the plots water via a 15mm supply pipe, or not actually, thereby turning the area into a passable facsimile of the Gobi Desert should the sun deign to shine.

Then, when people get hacked off hacking their way through the undergrowth to visit their open spaces and public parks, or in the case of allotment look at the shrivelled brown things sitting in the dust these public spaces get redignated as 'scrubland'.

Scrubland, as we know, is for building on and businesses that like to do business loiter about until a vision arrives and the scrubland is passed into their hands.

Any section 106 money is then drastically reduced and building begins, except for schools cos we know a firm who can chuck up a shed for that later on.

Presto! Investment in vital local open spaces, public parks and new allotments is acheived and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a promise is fulfilled.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 03:48:32 PM »
to answer Geoffs question, they have opened a site here, which was closed about 6 years ago, it has about 30 plots and after a year at least, 10 of them are still empty, we have the 6 plots here which are also empty, but if you ask theyll tell you that they are let out.
We went to a meeting of the allot reps two weeks ago and the subject was the self management thing they want to impose, after nearly 3 hours, I proposed that our site be run by a group of 3 lads, we would do all the letting and firing, all the site upkeep etc just get the council to take in th rents and pay the water bills .  I was told in no uncertain terms that the idea was rubbish and the council only wanted a complete package of everythihg being done by this new 'leader'.  So I presume they want someone else to take on the burden of the allotments and then watch out for the rents.. :wink: :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 04:35:28 PM »

'Good reason to vote Conservative' number 4 ought to to raise eyebrows and, in many cases, ire:


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"The Conservatives have continued to invest in our vital local open spaces, public parks and new allotments"


Let me think for just a second....they declared the Croft and Pickards Field (allotments) as 'surplus to requirements', built an un-needed school on the former and tried to give the latter away to a television celebrity.



The Conservatives clearly showed that the Croft was 'play area' on the 2011 Local Plan devised in 2006.  Despite repeated requests to Officers for a list which shows that the Croft was designated as 'surplus' none has been forthcoming. 

The Conservatives assure as that the rest of the Croft is 'safe'.  That will make me rest easy then..

That would be the same Conservatives ( cue Cllr Renard) who assure the public that the proposal to build a school on Mouldon Hill is outwith the Mouldon Hill Country Park ( maybe SBC have special maps unknown to the oiks?).

Yep.. open space is vital... but vital for what?

Caveat Elector.... if you want open space to be safe .. be careful what you vote for... just look at the history...   
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »
Careful there, it wasn't the Conservatives in power when we were fighting all the development etc - so much was built on then that they are forgetting all the 'family silver' has already gone.

It's policies and government we need to be getting at, though I will say it is this government and council that is undoing or ignoring all that has been gained in legislation and policies to save open spaces in the recent past.

Need to find a good community use for the open space NOW, not when it's under particular threat.

Start with the premis that NOTHING is safe.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM »
Careful there, it wasn't the Conservatives in power when we were fighting all the development etc - so much was built on then that they are forgetting all the 'family silver' has already gone.

It's policies and government we need to be getting at, though I will say it is this government and council that is undoing or ignoring all that has been gained in legislation and policies to save open spaces in the recent past.

Need to find a good community use for the open space NOW, not when it's under particular threat.

Start with the premis that NOTHING is safe.

I can only speak to my experience to date.. but agree that it is wise to be wary of the machinations of politicians.

The sad thing though is that as a member of the public I have to work under the presumption that nothing can be taken at face value... even the spoken word.

Shabby... very shabby...

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2012, 06:20:42 AM »
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Also, didn't they make all their park staff redundant?

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2012, 09:14:16 AM »
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Also, didn't they make all their park staff redundant?

Jolly well said Bess.

jennyb, so goes to show really that the written policy in Swindon says one thing and various political leadership do another.  just like you Jen, as we went through the process it showed up a lot of things -firstly that when someone says something and even more so when they write it down, that you should be able to expect it to happen.  However we soon found out who were 'men of honour' and who were not.

Even the men of honour had ways of wheedling out.   

And just like you, by the time we had finished, we knew more than they did about their own policies and the issue we had undertaken.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2012, 02:25:15 PM »
But back to the main issue on this thread.

When I stood as an independent  candidate I was threatened by the might of the Cons Party for supposedly doing something wrong ( a silly, unsupportable but very sinister threat all the same) and it was strongly suggested by a Cons Candidate that I should retract , apologise and publish 5000 leaflets to that effect.

As this Cons Candidate has been taken to task for claiming undue credit.... and I guess misinformation... will the Cons Party/Agent be consistent and enact what they demanded of me?

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2012, 06:09:06 PM »
When the council has hived off the allotments to a private firm as they continue to strive to do, then they might get run in a proper manner and plots will be then let out, (we have at least 6 on our site not being used), only trouble is the rents will go sky high.... :wink: :wink:

Have they created any new allotments K, or are they claiming that a change of ownership/management of allotments to be creating new ones?

The Allotments to which Kohima refers were set up by a Parks officer, who was made redundant two years ago. I Now I wonder what happened to her? >:D

no new allotments since then, unless you count the parish council one in haydon wick, which was set up by the parish council not SBC.

The 'investment' in open space i see is less grass cutting, overgrowing vegatation and flower beds being removed all over town. If open spaces and parks are a sign of how well the town is doing then we aint doing very well at all.

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doesn't Keith Williams look a bit like the childhood nightmare inducing Mr Nosebonk?

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