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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2012, 04:36:58 PM »
Why the comment on Jim Grant Richard? The key question is what policies does Labour have. That's where the problem lies rather than who holds the Leader's job. For instance, I think they made two strategic errors. Firstly, throwing in their lot with 'One Swindon' and supporting last year's Council Tax freeze.

'One Swindon' is nothing other than the government's austerity drive and the risible 'Big Society' on the local level. It is the basis on which the 'big conversation' will take place - that is acceptance of austerity, which was well described by one economist as like the blood leetting of a medieval doctor.

Accepting a council tax freeze meant accepting that cuts locally would be deeper than they otherwise would have been.

Whilst the government is butchering public services it is letting the private monopolies rip us off and get away with apying bugger all in taxes. Labour has not broken with the politics of New Labour, has failed to galvanise its traditional supporters. It hasn't even had the courage to commit to re-nationalising the railways yet, despite the p[opularity of the demand.

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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2012, 04:38:26 PM »
Blunsdon & Highworth is one of those wards where if the electorate were turkeys they'd vote for Bernard Matthews if you pinned a red/yellow/blue rosette to him.

I agree with that but would add: The combination of Kevin Small as agent and Jim Grant as campaign manager, wedded to Small's inherent desire to maintain the status quo and Grants fear of rocking his boat out of the centre channel he's steered the Labour group into, will result in them being unable to prosecute successful campaigns in any wards similar to Highworth.

Let's face it, with the current council administration noisily flapping their clown-shoes from one crisis to the next, Labour should have done much, much better than they did.




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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2012, 06:54:21 PM »
Why the comment on Jim Grant Richard? The key question is what policies does Labour have. That's where the problem lies rather than who holds the Leader's job.

Jim Grant is simply totally ineffective. He, with a very slim majority on the other side has failed to make any inroads at all. Do Rod and his cronies feel pressured - somehow I doubt it.

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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2012, 07:26:15 PM »
What I hope is that there is some way for people from each of the parties to work together better for the overall good of our town.

Never happen. Fact.

You can expand that to the country as a whole.

Too self indulgent and self absorbed.

Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »
What was truly heartening was to see an independent Mayor of Bristol and several Independents elected in the PCC elections.

There is no room for Party Politics in Local Government.

Oh to have a Council of Independents in Swindon.

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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2012, 12:52:14 AM »
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Oh to have a Council of Independents in Swindon.

How long before such a group turned themselves into a Party?


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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2012, 06:31:38 AM »
How long before such a group turned themselves into a Party?

Or three parties, then again an alliance of two and one independent party  :-\
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2012, 07:17:35 AM »
Oh for some common sense to prevail.

It is time that politicians realised just how fed up the public is with one party blaming the other for the mess we are all in.  As some wag once said, it doesn't matter who you vote for .. the council always gets in. 

Councillors are not being asked to provide the cure for cancer , revolutionise technology or invent the 21st century’s answer to prefabs.

The job of a local councillor is to ensure that Swindon functions the  best it can with the money it has and in doing so make it an attractive home and destination for residents and businesses alike.

If the current lot spent less time looking inwards and more time looking outwards they might realise this.   As with any service, if the customer doesn’t like it they will look for an alternative. 

The ‘Council’ should bear this in mind.


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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2012, 07:30:54 AM »
Jennyb, if people had to pay  council tax based on the performance of the council how many would

pay more

pay about the same

pay less

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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2012, 08:17:20 AM »
Jennyb, if people had to pay  council tax based on the performance of the council how many would

pay more

pay about the same

pay less

 :-\

1st of all they would need to know what they were paying for and to whom.

For example..

Is SCS value for money?

Exactly what is paid to Capita and what services do we get in return?

How many managers does the Council have and what are they managing?

etc.,..
It takes wisdom to know what you know and wisdom to know what you don't know and when to call in those who do. Often the people who do know will advise that evidence and research are very helpful when making decisions. Who knows it might even save a bit of money.

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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »
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Oh to have a Council of Independents in Swindon.

How long before such a group turned themselves into a Party?



I haven't studied my history of politics, but I bet your bottom dollar, that's exactly what happened at the start. I agree with Des, that would happen in very short time. What's wrong is not seeking strength in numbers with like minded people, but when it gets more about the actual people involved then the outcome. (Outcome - now theres a buzz word for you)  Noble - that's what we want - noble people.
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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2012, 08:48:10 AM »
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The job of a local councillor is to ensure that Swindon functions the  best it can with the money it has and in doing so make it an attractive home and destination for residents and businesses alike.


I agree with what JennyB says but of course so does Coun Bluh and his cohort of time serving 'leading politicians' - or they say they do. It's just that they like to make grandiose gestures and engage in great schemes whereas we see things from a different perspective.

For example. We don't disagree with redevelopment but we do question whether a £15 million car park is a necessary first step, oh and we do question why there 'appears' to be no timeline to develop beyond what the 'Council' is paying for.

Coun Bluh says his email and post bag is filled with people asking about primary services such as the state of the roads and leaves on footpaths plus the ubiquitous issue of refuse collection. I hope he is not surprised as this is the 'stuff' of Councils and whether he likes it or not this is what people pay theri taxes for. We want pathways to be clear, we want the gullies to be kept free of leaf debris (it will help to prevent flooding)

Let me give a small example. Yesterday there was single individual (an SCS employee) collecting leaves in York Road. I say collecting as opposed to sweeping because that is exactly what he was doing. With the aid of a litter picker he was attempting to fill a black bag. It would have been just as stupid to clean the railings at Faringdon Raod Park with a toothbrush. Tools for the job cmae to mind and we are not talking about mechanisation, two board scoops would have helped. I think you will grasp the point I am making.

Coun Bluh's #big conversation' is aimedat persuading the populace that those 'things' we have considered Counil responsibilities will gradually have to be given to others to do as the 'Council' seesk to do those things it really wants to do.- wait for it - to look after the old and vulnerable and of course children.

Hardly subjects thata reasonable person could argue with so any attempt to limit services in these directions would be seen as callous, heartless and as such would never commmand support. Or would they?


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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »
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So is this now a case of Bye Bye Jim Grant as I understand he led the campaign or otherwise from the front?

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to make no impact whatsoever after all the Conservatives have and have not done says it all really

Presently the Labour Party are in the wilderness and are not a credible alternative to the present lot

Another rare agreement between us, Richard.

They need to ditch the legacy of Anne Snelgrove and find themselves a credible local PPC who's dynamic, enthusiastic and fully prepared to speak loudly about the issues locals really care about - and to put local people and their issues first, even if it invites controversy or requires strong criticism of local councillors.

Then they need a root-and-branch purge of the intellectual pygmies who treat being a Labour councillor as a given. A few more candidates like Chris Watts would be a good start. But don't put them up against wards with safe incumbents - make some of the Smalls of this world earn their keep instead, if they can.

And finally they need both a strong, eloquent and morally driven leader who understands the local media and who can carry a message and explain a position - and a list of policies which are less heavy on 'wish' and rather more substantial on what it is that they'd be able to do differently.

We're not getting enough at the moment. It seems ironic to me that the council is being more effectively held to account by Des, who's surely a natural tory supporter! Thats a pretty clear example of the failure of the Lib Dems and Labour...
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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2012, 01:32:18 PM »
Coun Bluh's #big conversation' is aimedat persuading the populace that those 'things' we have considered Counil responsibilities will gradually have to be given to others to do as the 'Council' seesk to do those things it really wants to do.- wait for it - to look after the old and vulnerable and of course children.


I fancy that's not what they WANT to do, more that they are under a legal obligation to do it. I see no natural inclination or empathy from any of them to WANT to do it, quite the reverse.

Well to be honest I ask myself, what is there that they do want to do for Swindon?
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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2012, 03:04:47 PM »

Then they need a root-and-branch purge of the intellectual pygmies who treat being a Labour councillor as a given. A few more candidates like Chris Watts would be a good start. But don't put them up against wards with safe incumbents - make some of the Smalls of this world earn their keep instead, if they can.

And finally they need both a strong, eloquent and morally driven leader who understands the local media and who can carry a message and explain a position - and a list of policies which are less heavy on 'wish' and rather more substantial on what it is that they'd be able to do differently.

I've been saying this for a long time and repeated it only yesterday to several very pissed off, (after Blunsdon & Highworth), campaigners.

It is a common sense notion whose time appears to be coming.

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2012, 01:20:15 PM »
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So is this now a case of Bye Bye Jim Grant as I understand he led the campaign or otherwise from the front?

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make some of the Smalls of this world earn their keep instead, if they can.

People have talked the talk but will they now walk the walk?  Are you giant mandibles or are you fit for walking?  Did the creator of the universe make the human model to master walking or talking first?  In the wild do animals talk to the predator first or move into action?  In a precarious situation are humans attracted to the biggest mandibles or legs?  Or is it a question of all mouth and no trousers?

Shouldn't there be a golden rule in politics that only those who have a proven track record of action earn the right to talk with a giant mandible? Would that get rid of the self seeking or idle?

My view is that if people want to change things then they should gird up their loins and get acting.  No doubt, knowing the political world, decisions have already been made and plans put into position.

People haven't highlighted any redeeming features of Small and Grant.  Surely there are also some that you can wax lyrical about?

 







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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2012, 03:33:10 PM »
People haven't highlighted any redeeming features of Small and Grant.  Surely there are also some that you can wax lyrical about?

Privately yes, but they're irrelevant in the political context.

Publicly and politically speaking perhaps you could start us off ?

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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2012, 04:49:53 PM »
I did hear that Mr Small was a good storeman..........

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Re: Blunsdon & Highworth Council By Election - 15th November 2012
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
Who's Grant Small?
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2012, 09:50:33 PM »
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We're not getting enough at the moment. It seems ironic to me that the council is being more effectively held to account by Des, who's surely a natural tory supporter! Thats a pretty clear example of the failure of the Lib Dems and Labour...

Hi Tobes - holding this administration to account is the role of the opposition and like you i am saddened that they are not doing it at all well at the moment. Perhaps they have a plan - at present it is in someones head as it isn't obvious to the world outside of the Labour Leaders office.

As for me being a natural tory supporter - It's a fair observation and perhaps it explains why Coun Bluh and Perkins appear to detest my interventions in such matters as Wi-Fi. They probably think I should see things 'their way' whereas i do have a mind of my own and can adjudge good from bad and dodgy from okay.

In truth, i am probably left of centre although I am quite determined in my views regarding people taking advantage of the welfare system. Martin would probably think I'm right of genghis khan - he would be wide of the mark. I simply do not believe anyone should get something for nothing and before people say that's easy to say but difficult to put into practise - I accpet that some (a small minority) can do nothing towards working; I also accpet there are not stacks of jobs available BUT 'welfare to work' is not a bad thing and should be more widely used in this country.