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North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« on: September 09, 2012, 11:12:31 AM »

September 2012 has come and reception place admissions are in the public domain.

It is a matter of record that North Swindon reception place funding was given lock stock and barrel to Old Town/Croft.

Old Town/Lawn has 280 places and has allocated 48 of these to out of catchment requests and still has 41 spaces left.

North Swindon has 540 places and has not a single space left on 31/8/2012.

Tadpole Farm was approved with NO primary provision until 900 homes have been built.

Why are North Swindon Ward Councillors not creating merry hell?


 


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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2012, 02:19:20 PM »
Could be the WCs have to  :-X until someone :spin: it out for them  :-\
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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2012, 02:42:45 PM »
Could be the WCs have to  :-X until someone :spin: it out for them  :-\

Or perhaps there will be a nice big spread in the next Swindon News about how wonderful the Croft/Class Solutions is .. and how much it was desperately needed..

Maybe it is already at the printers?
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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2012, 03:22:15 PM »
Could be the WCs have to  :-X until someone :spin: it out for them  :-\

Or perhaps there will be a nice big spread in the next Swindon News about how wonderful the Croft/Class Solutions is .. and how much it was desperately needed..

Maybe it is already at the printers?

On second thoughts... never mind the  :spin: ...maybe they need a basic lesson in arithmetic?
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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 04:17:35 PM »
As we didn't get any of our preferred schools, and I'm having to transport my child to an out of catchment school, I've looked at getting some help towards costs.  I can claim 30p/mile.

(I can only claim for when my child is in the car, i.e. the trip to school in the morning, but not my getting back home after dropping off, and claim for the trip home in the evening after pick up, but not my getting there in the first place.)

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=37944&J=1

quote"
3. Councillors’ Allowance - Mileage Allowance
 The attention of the Panel was drawn to the fact that HM Revenue and
Customs had, in April 2011, increased the tax threshold for mileage allowance from
40p to 45p.  The current rate for mileage in the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme was
40p. The Panel had in the past, and over many years, recommended that the
mileage rate for Councillors should be set at the Inland Revenue tax threshold figure.
 Resolved - That the Cabinet and Council be recommended that the
mileage rate in the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme be increased forthwith from
40p to 45p per mile in order that it continues to reflect the HM Revenue and
Customs Tax Threshold limit and that the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme be
amended accordingly for 2011/12 and 2012/2013"

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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 06:22:42 PM »
As we didn't get any of our preferred schools, and I'm having to transport my child to an out of catchment school, I've looked at getting some help towards costs.  I can claim 30p/mile.

(I can only claim for when my child is in the car, i.e. the trip to school in the morning, but not my getting back home after dropping off, and claim for the trip home in the evening after pick up, but not my getting there in the first place.)

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=37944&J=1

quote"
3. Councillors’ Allowance - Mileage Allowance
 The attention of the Panel was drawn to the fact that HM Revenue and
Customs had, in April 2011, increased the tax threshold for mileage allowance from
40p to 45p.  The current rate for mileage in the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme was
40p. The Panel had in the past, and over many years, recommended that the
mileage rate for Councillors should be set at the Inland Revenue tax threshold figure.
 Resolved - That the Cabinet and Council be recommended that the
mileage rate in the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme be increased forthwith from
40p to 45p per mile in order that it continues to reflect the HM Revenue and
Customs Tax Threshold limit and that the Councillors’ Allowance Scheme be
amended accordingly for 2011/12 and 2012/2013"

One rule...........


From the admissions guide it shows where places were allocated to those who did not received 1/2/3rd preferences.... under category 20.. interestingly there are a few allocations of this nature in the schools which border on North Swindon

 
23 - Greenmeadow
13 - Rodbourne Cheney
5   - Ferndale

North Swindon PCT = 592, places  = 540 , spaces = 0

Old Town and Lawn PCT = 208, places, = 280, spaces = 41.


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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 08:16:20 AM »
Jennyb, thank you for the basic lesson in adding up  O0
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 01:37:38 PM »
We have the original Academy in Beech Avenue, take a bow Ray Ballman.
What happens in Abbey Meads and Haydon Wick is a problem for others to comment on.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 03:23:50 PM »
We have the original Academy in Beech Avenue, take a bow Ray Ballman.
What happens in Abbey Meads and Haydon Wick is a problem for others to comment on.


No one can be proud of that or the way it was imposed in the first place - I understand that not only is the Pinehurst site now under-subscribed but also the Penhill infant/junior site.

Although we understand local rumours of imminent closure is greatly exaggerated! Or would that be  premature?
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 09:06:47 PM »
And dont forget, after a promise that the Headlands sports field had been saved for the community, we were then told about a year later, that to finance the loan on the new school in Beech avenue, the headlands site had been sold for housing... should I say well done Ray Ballman... :wink:.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 09:19:45 AM »
Whatever you were told Ko, we were heavily involved in the protest about the Academy.

At first it was supposed to be the same type secondary school, which could have been built on the Headlands site.  I saw a copy (still have it somewhere) of the Academy *people's case for making a 0-19 year Academy - thus making it much larger and so say too big for the Headlands site and we contested it vehemently. 

The Pinehurst site had been doomed to closure from the outset (Conveniently). And let me remind everyone here,  that everyone, every 'body' including education Forums and establishments AND THE HEAD's AND STAFF in the area protested about this school, the only people that wanted it was Michael Wills, Lord Adonis and some toffs in SBC and it appears the Ballmans.  I'd have to get the paperwork out to name other names against it and I just have named most of those for it.

Much as I liked Michael Wills, his manner, he dealt, supported and responded to us about everything else, he was adamant in his support of the Academy change.  I remember after one meeting, we met in a doorway and he accosted me, asking what he could get for Penhill to make the acceptance of this idea more bearable, that conversation lasted long enough for another community person from Pinehurst to come through and hear it and he asked her to ask me, it was all a bit surreal.

The consultation was a compete fiasco, it built mistrust instead of engagment, it was done in such a heavy handed, superior way. Cllr Andy Harrison made sure it happened, but the resulting 'report' was the most insulting things I have ever read. With Baroness someone heading up a team that told us well and truly what a load of numpties we were and that we knew nothing.

I can't put it behind me, it was a lesson learned, a catalogue of reasons why we don't and can't beleive,  those we should be able to respect.

Up until then I thought dealing with those in Education would be a lot easier than those dealing with planning - no it isn't, not when it comes to planning a new school building and leaving space for development.  Development takes the upper hand every time.

That development on Headlands Ko, was always on the cards and we knew it, even if it wasn't in writing and that's really what we were fighting there - the land for development and any S106 money from it. absolutely was there never any way it would be left for community use and even the brand new school sports hall - which we were promised would be for community use was speedily sold off to Esprit? Community use? yeh, if you can afford to use it! The moany from teh sale of the land would have paid off the Academy building or paid it back anyway it was due to go into the education budget, but I'd have to look that up to be sure of the paperwork at the time. However £21,000,000 keeps floating into my mind.

Desperate, that's what they were/are - desperate. Absolutely desperate.

*The academy was one of the original ones and it was a religious by-blow organisation that took it over, they already had academies up north somewhere.  I did a bit of detective work when we first found out - there are always similar communties to our own in other towns, it didn't take long to find counterparts in those areas and their advise to me was 'pick your fights' with them, 'mind what you agree to, they'll interpret it to suit themsleves' and you are 'going to be fighting a losing battle' and 'they didn't listen to a damn thing we said'  sound familiar? 


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Re: North Swindon School Places.... why are North Swindon WCs silent?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 01:27:54 PM »
SBC's 20/4/2012 admission guide for Swindon Academy shows:

120  - primary school places
77    - 1st preferences
111  - total 1/2/3rd preferences
84    - places allocated
36    - spaces available

2012 PCT numbers
Penhill - 98 ,  Pinehurst - 99 
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2012, 02:38:39 PM »
36 spaces available - thats an whole class full, even if it is split over the two sites - Penhill and Pinehurst.

More info for Ko, apparently circa 2003/4, the ward members for St. Phillips, Gorsehill, and Penhill, were called to a meeting at which the Academy was first mentioned.  At the end of the meeting the Lead Member is reported to have advised them, 'it's now for you to decide how you want to spend the money from it'.  It was felt there was also a relief that they could at last get rid of the Pinehurst People Centre.
Of course, it was hoped that whatever happened to the two, Academy and PPC, it would provide a new community centre possibly within the new academy, that didn't happen and it doesnt work anyway, the land didn't sell and somehow, from somewhere they had to find the promised Community Centre, because that's how they got the few that did agree to agree. It was shockingly badly done!

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2012, 04:06:57 PM »
36 spaces available - thats an whole class full, even if it is split over the two sites - Penhill and Pinehurst.

More info for Ko, apparently circa 2003/4, the ward members for St. Phillips, Gorsehill, and Penhill, were called to a meeting at which the Academy was first mentioned.  At the end of the meeting the Lead Member is reported to have advised them, 'it's now for you to decide how you want to spend the money from it'.  It was felt there was also a relief that they could at last get rid of the Pinehurst People Centre.
Of course, it was hoped that whatever happened to the two, Academy and PPC, it would provide a new community centre possibly within the new academy, that didn't happen and it doesnt work anyway, the land didn't sell and somehow, from somewhere they had to find the promised Community Centre, because that's how they got the few that did agree to agree. It was shockingly badly done!

Who was the Lead Member for Education then M?

It wasn't our old friend Garry Perkins by any chance?

Does anyone remember that it was Steve Wakefield who offered his seat in Shaw so that the defeated, in Dorcan, GP could 'continue his good work in education'?  As everyone should know that Steve moved over to Toothill and Westlea and started his successful career there changing from Conservative, via Independence to stand as a Labour candidate in 2011.  This boy knows how to win elections and I wonder if he has now been consulted on how Labour can take control of the council?  I am sure had he been this May then the Bluhligans would be ancient history, but nevermind eh!
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2012, 04:49:33 PM »
Wracking my brains to remember who it was.............! 

But here is an interesting article with picture.

http://www.swindonweb.com/office/index.asp?m=192&s=204
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2012, 05:28:19 PM »
  "This boy knows how to win elections and I wonder if he has now been consulted on how Labour can take control of the council?  I am sure had he been this May then the Bluhligans would be ancient history, but nevermind eh!"


I'm going to twist an old joke to make it fit....

"How do you kill a circus?.....

.....you go for the Juggler"

Our council is a circus and it is certainly led by a clown possessed of extraordinary ineptitude.  If Bluh's many mistakes were buckets of whitewash Swindon would look like a cross between a Portugese fishing village and an earthquake disaster zone, further blighted by having Greek economics delivered unto its budget and finances.

In June 2011 I blogged a few thoughts about our Clowncil.  Here's a short excerpt:

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"Yes, Clowncillor Bluh and his honking, squeaking, flat-footed carnival of Clowncillors have performed their act all over the Borough of Swindon, setting fire to buckets of cash,  getting their feet stuck in buckets of sticky stuff, whacking tax-payers and service users upside-the-head the head with policy planks and generally causing more problems than they cure."


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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2012, 05:35:05 PM »

BTW. Circus killers tend to make other clowns buttock-clenchingly nervous.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2012, 07:30:02 PM »
Never liked clowns.

I keep buying their cars.

"Yes, Clowncillor Bluh and his honking, squeaking, flat-footed carnival of Clowncillors have performed their act all over the Borough of Swindon, setting fire to buckets of cash,  getting their feet stuck in buckets of sticky stuff, whacking tax-payers and service users upside-the-head the head with policy planks and generally causing more problems than they cure."

Class. SBC have never, ever, produced anything so evocative and accurately descriptive.

Or as cheap.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2012, 08:13:32 AM »
"is the dire need for more school places in North Swindon. There were more than two applications for every school place in North Swindon, with some schools having to allow more pupils than spaces they had to offer because parents won appeals"

If this is true at this end of Northern Development (Groundwell end) - then I wonder if parents really are starting to choose their school. So instead of bringing up school standards in unpopular schools, some will just close eventually. Of course this will  mean that the 'results' of other schools will come down. 

It does appear that it is about social engineering. 

I jolly well know that enough schools were planned in to Northern development even if it was based on what would be needed when the new popualtion there, levelled out. However, did they forget to revisit those plans when they doubled the ratio of houses per acre?  Bet they didn't.

Haydonleigh had four new chalets installed over the summer. What about the rest?
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