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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2006, 09:16:11 PM »

I believe the mention of a school was simply as a comparision to quantify what #2 million actually represents. To my knowledge it is Anne who has linked this to West Swindon schools and certainly from looking at those comments is trying very hard to keep it that way. If Rod says it's not directly related, then it's not directly related. 


Dale,

Anne does attempt to go some way to back up her link between LSF to the schools by referring to 2 (unnamed) councillors that made that connection. 
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Council Leader Rod Bluh has stated that the proposal is “not directly related to the funding of West Swindon Schools” but at least two of his councillors have said that in public meetings and in the press that it is linked to the shortfall.


Are you saying that Anne's lying? or does Rod needs to get a grip on his own party?  something doesn't add up....is someone telling porkies? 

The last thing anyone needs right now, on an issue this contentious, is for red herrings and heresay to distract from the real issue. Tell us all NOW exactly what the council will do with the proceeds, that way people can take a view on this issue whilst being in possesion of the full facts.

So, Tory boy and girls, what will the money be used for?     :popcorn:



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« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2006, 12:18:11 AM »

People protest against national government through the local ballot box.


I wish people wouldn't do that. The labour group have been out of power on SBC for how long? And the tories have had overall control for how long? And has it removed Blair's authoritarian warmongering government from power? No.

Once again, Tobes is spot-on. I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in his post.  O0
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« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2006, 01:15:08 AM »

Bert,
I wish I had your level of conviction about this.
But I don't trust the numbers, especially in the way they have been presented.

Judging from the posts this evening, there has never been an assessment of what actually happens, and what value that should be equated to, or what value it could have if enabled to run on a different basis.

The rules of the game were just changed which is simply not good enough as it may be letting us all down badly.
If there is a stong argument, they should make it.
But please make it properly.

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2006, 11:59:08 AM »

From Swindon Link:

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Lower Shaw Farm could be closed down if a Swindon Council Property Department plan to sell the land for housing goes ahead. The reason: the amount of money required to build three new primary schools has been mis-calculated and the council is now casting around for assets to flog to meet its commitments.


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Councillor Nick Martin, Swindon cabinet lead member for finance, confirmed the farm is being considered for sale. "The cost of providing new schools has been mounting up; about a year ago we decided to look at disposing other assets to meet our commitments.


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also, would not £2m spent on schools in west swindon not be more of a benefit to the people of west swindon rather than this place?
(Cllr Dickinson on Talk Swindon)


Various councillors have spoken of the need for new schools and at least one of the schools is needed in West Swindon, despite the fact that parents were assured during the consultation that the cost of West Swindon schools reorganisation was 'cost-neutral'. It is difficult not to make the link.

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« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2006, 12:30:47 PM »

From Swindon Link:

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Lower Shaw Farm could be closed down if a Swindon Council Property Department plan to sell the land for housing goes ahead. The reason: the amount of money required to build three new primary schools has been mis-calculated and the council is now casting around for assets to flog to meet its commitments.


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Councillor Nick Martin, Swindon cabinet lead member for finance, confirmed the farm is being considered for sale. "The cost of providing new schools has been mounting up; about a year ago we decided to look at disposing other assets to meet our commitments.


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also, would not £2m spent on schools in west swindon not be more of a benefit to the people of west swindon rather than this place?
(Cllr Dickinson on Talk Swindon)


Various councillors have spoken of the need for new schools and at least one of the schools is needed in West Swindon, despite the fact that parents were assured during the consultation that the cost of West Swindon schools reorganisation was 'cost-neutral'. It is difficult not to make the link.




Careful with your references Jude.

Michael Dickinson posted the above on the commercial forum, Swindon Talk.

A bit like this place but run by the Conservative party as far as I can tell and with lots of 'what I watched on telly last night, posts'

The name may be similar, but the ethos is vastly different. One forum , this one, is politically nuetral . The other seems to be a money making tool for T.B. marketing, which in turn is owned I think by Justin Tomlinson, also a member of the Conservative party.


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« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2006, 02:26:19 PM »

As I posted on Swindontalk.com :-

I also have a lot of sympathy with Lower Shaw farm -they provide a really different environment and offer all sorts of things no one else in area does. However I am also a council tax payer and I voted for the conservatives because they promised not to screw me over on council tax and to reform the way Swindon Borough Council was run - and whilst I can't agree with everything they are doing, I believe they are doing the right thing here, as much as lower shaw farm is used, it has to pay it's way.

However I cannot stand the sort of comments this so called representative of south swindon, Anne Snelgrove, makes when she obviously has no idea of what is going on. I feel sorry for all those who voted for her.



Let's look at some of the thinks she said :-

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They don’t seem to know what they are doing or why. The reasons they are giving for closure of the farm don’t stack up



Isn't this fairly clear ? - the council have an asset that is not producing an acceptable yield and thus they are looking at ways to make it pay - it is called asset management isn't it ?

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and the repeated claims that this has something to do with central government are complete fabrication



What repeated claims ? I know the government doesn't give swindon enough money - I am a school governor and we receive considerably less per child than most local authorities our size such as Milton Keynes or peterborough - even the adver published the figures - Why isn't Anne Snelgrove fighting the government for a better settlement for our kids - why isn't her assistant posting letters to the education minister demanding more money for swindon? She could be campaigning to limit the number of houses her government wants to build here in swindon - sorry, can't quite hear you Anne !

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If the Tories seriously think that government wants Lower Shaw Farm closed, why haven’t they approached me for help? In fact, they have not had the courtesy, or the intelligence to give me a full picture of why exactly they think the sell off is necessary



What ? Are you offering to help the Tories close lower shaw farm ?? Did the council say that it thought the government wanted the land sold off - if so where was that printed ? Perhaps they haven't approached you Anne because you are a really negative person who can't even acknowledge the improvements that the conservatives have made to the council after the disasterous way the labour party ran the borough down whilst raising council tax levels to ridiculous heights ? I would also be really careful about questioning intelligence or shall we look at some of your speeches in the past ?


I know - why don't you give us a full picture of why you support the erosion of civil liberties by the introduction of ID cards ? The legislative and regulatory reform Bill ? the ridiculous amount of money being wasted on the fiasco called computers for health - what was the figure ? Oh yes - about £12.4 billion pounds pretty much down the drain - how many million pounds were pumped into isoft ?- how many lower shaw farms would that save ?

The iraq war - did you think of those four soldiers who were killed on sunday whilst you were posing for your photo's with your mate at the cenotaph ? That your labour party is directly responsible for their deaths - stick in the craw doesn't it? How about how many billion pounds the war has cost ? Although the value of life is so much higher.

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“I am also concerned that Cllr Bluh asserts that “Lower Shaw Farm does not currently offer best value”



Obviously this is a tricky one for you Anne, so i'll help you along. Commercial property has consistantly produced between 5% & 7% over the past ten years. Just so you understand - Yield is The annual rate of return on an investment or asset, expressed as a percentage. Lower Shaw Farm is unfortunately classed as a commercial asset. Perhaps if the labour councillors who originally agreed the lease had done it properly in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation now would we?

Thus if an asset is worth, for example £2,000,000 (two million pounds if you find numbers hard to work with) and the expected yield is (for the sake of keeping numbers simple for you) 5% - it would be expected that the asset would return £100,000 (that is one hundred thousand pounds). per annum (per year - don't want to confuse you) a figure which I believe is the one quoted in the adver.

So if the actual rent being produced is only £8,000 that translates to a yield of 0.4%

In terms of a best value review - let's consider the evidence - £100,000 or £8,000 ? Expected yield 5% - actual yield 0.4% - What don't you understand ? I know I don't have faith in most MP's, but if you can't work out that 5% is better than 0.4% or £100,000 is better than £8,000 perhaps you should consider your position ?

If you really want to talk about disposing of assets - shall we have a look at what the labour government has done - selling off the old defense research establishment - now called qinetiq -

here is a quote from the times "Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman, who has been pushing for an investigation into the sale of 34 per cent of the company in 2003, said: “This strengthens the case for an inquiry into how Carlyle managed to acquire its stake for just £42 million.”

If the company is valued at £1.3 billion, Carlyle is in line for a £360 million profit on its initial investment. It will continue to hold a 12 per cent stake, worth £156 million, but could choose to sell that in just six months’ time. "

Hey not bad one of tony's friends making £360 million pounds from selling one of the contries assets.

How about the sale of government property to a private offershore company who doesn't pay any tax (private eye) should we have a public debate about that Anne ? perhaps we could hold it a lower shaw farm and show solidarity ?



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I’m here to help but it has become quite clear to me that my help is not wanted by the Tories in Swindon and the public is paying the price

 


Anne - how exactly are you helping ? The labour party - the government - you are a part of, is systematically destroying the heritage of this country, has no control over the immigration system, has lost control of law and order, is proposing to let off criminals if they apologise (daily mail today) instead of banging them up - oh sorry ! you can't do that because you didn't have the foresight to build any prisons to put them in, has increased personal taxation to levels that are squeezing the most productive in this country, and yet you have a benefits system that rewards the least productive. If that is help Anne, I'm not surprised they don't want any!

You have no concept of how to support decent hardworking families who are foolish enough to have two parents who are still together trying to provide for their children - you would actually make them better off if they split up !

You have introduced over 70 different taxes - but not on income tax - do you think we are stupid and haven't noticed ? Oh yes Anne we are certainly paying the price - but of your government's incompetance not Swindon's.

You supported publicly John Prescott !! The man who ordered the widespread destruction of properties in the North to replace them with modern little shoe boxes - at a higher cost than would have been if the properties had been refurbished (estates gazette)- the energy cost alone in destroying the houses and using new bricks and mortar is absurd - hmm - haven't I heard you bang on about sustainability - doesn't quite square up does it ?

John Prescott - The man who thinks a back garden is prime development land. The man who's department thought it would be good to build all over the front garden and the land next to coate water ! So you support him and his decisions do you Anne ? - happy about the building going on in swindon are you ? All those houses next to coate ? I hope you are really pleased with yourself. Don't try to blame the council on this - it was the planning inspector who put the nail in the coffin.

You of all people have no right to even consider accusing the conservatives of mismanagement. Your own labour group here in Swindon made a complete balls up of running the council - increases in council tax of over 40% in three years and what did we get at the end - one of the worst performing councils in the country. And yet the conservatives have improved the council so much that even your government is impressed by the progress (don't think you've been quoted saying that have you - couldn't quite bring yourself to admit it ?)

Come on Jude - post Annes Reply !

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With their majority in the Council, the sad truth is that they can ride roughshod over local people and it seems they are intent on doing so.



Dangerous words - perhaps if we rephrase this:-

"With their majority in government, the sad truth is that they can ride roughshod over local people and it seems they are intent on doing so"

ain't that the truth !

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2006, 02:28:24 PM »

Jude Robinsons response - also on that forum

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If anyone would like a full reply from Anne, please could you email her at annesnelgrovemp@parliament.uk or write to 7 Little London Court.

Regarding me posting political press releases - I agree there is a fine line and I am conscious of that. I work at least an extra half hour a day to make sure that any crossing of the line is done on my own time and last week, I posted from home while on leave.

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2006, 02:53:30 PM »



Quote from: Jude Robinson
"....If anyone would like a full reply from Anne, please could you email her at annesnelgrovemp@parliament.uk or write to 7 Little London Court".


'Full reply' ?

Yup, all pigs fully fuelled and ready to fly.

The reply is very unlikely to be 'full', unless you are using the infamous Nu-Labour elasticated dictionary.....
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« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2006, 03:37:23 PM »

Just read the long post above...

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So if the actual rent being produced is only £8,000 that translates to a yield of 0.4%

In terms of a best value review - let's consider the evidence - £100,000 or £8,000 ? Expected yield 5% - actual yield 0.4% - What don't you understand ? I know I don't have faith in most MP's, but if you can't work out that 5% is better than 0.4% or £100,000 is better than £8,000 perhaps you should consider your position ?


Interesting that the same numbers keep on doing the rounds, and yet again ignoring what is being delivered.
It is not just about the rent being paid, but the overall value being extracted for the benefit of Swindon.

Why do people insist on comparing an apple with a slice of apple, and miss the rest of the fruit salad?

Your comparison is flawed.
No-one appears to have done the work in this case to find out what the actual value being delivered into Swindon is. They have only looked at the rent vs expected yeild for a £2million asset. Not good enough.

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« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2006, 03:53:20 PM »

James

point taken i haven't done an analysis - that isnt my job - i'm quoting what i have have read in the paper and my rant was more about anne snelgrove than lower shaw farm.

I like the farm - my kids like the farm - but at the meeting in west swindon on monday the councillors were pretty open about why it was being sold off, and it is difficult to disagree with what they said. even Matt holland was pretty open about the reasons.

But the point is that anne snelgrove is jumping on another bandwagon, shooting her mouth off and trying to criticise people for making an honest decision.

do you think anne snelgrove would go to a public meeting in swindon and allow us to question her for 2 hours on id cards, the health system (when did you last hear of an NHS dentist opening in swindon ?), the legislative and regulatory reform bill - the new laws being proposed in the queens speech today ? she wouldn't have the guts. but the swindon councillors did.

I really do feel for those who want the farm to stay - i don't exactly want it to go. but there are much bigger issues our mp should be trying to resolve than taking cheap pot shots which is exactly what she has done.

do you think anne snelgrove would come on here to comment on my post ? her political assistant made that pretty clear !

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« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2006, 05:24:00 PM »

I appreciated your rant at AS.
And Geoffs.
It is clear she uses public opinion when it suits her.

However, people do keep using these numbers and they are simply inadequate to discuss the issue.

It is more than annoying that assets such as LSF may be sold off without any real understanding of the current or future benefits which are being foregone.

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2006, 06:07:15 PM »

bert have you got shares in a building compant as you must whant west swindon to be covered in housing 


nope...

don't want the area covered in housing at all - jumping to conclusions here aren't you

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i understand the need for housing but west swindon needs a bit of green as well  and lsf with its green and animals fullfills this for us money is not everything


agree on green space - perhaps you should visit north swindon if you think west swindon is lacking green space.

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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2006, 07:16:34 PM »

From Swindon Link:

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Lower Shaw Farm could be closed down if a Swindon Council Property Department plan to sell the land for housing goes ahead. The reason: the amount of money required to build three new primary schools has been mis-calculated and the council is now casting around for assets to flog to meet its commitments.


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Councillor Nick Martin, Swindon cabinet lead member for finance, confirmed the farm is being considered for sale. "The cost of providing new schools has been mounting up; about a year ago we decided to look at disposing other assets to meet our commitments.


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also, would not £2m spent on schools in west swindon not be more of a benefit to the people of west swindon rather than this place?
(Cllr Dickinson on Talk Swindon)


Various councillors have spoken of the need for new schools and at least one of the schools is needed in West Swindon, despite the fact that parents were assured during the consultation that the cost of West Swindon schools reorganisation was 'cost-neutral'. It is difficult not to make the link.




Careful with your references Jude.

Michael Dickinson posted the above on the commercial forum, Swindon Talk.

A bit like this place but run by the Conservative party as far as I can tell and with lots of 'what I watched on telly last night, posts'

The name may be similar, but the ethos is vastly different. One forum , this one, is politically nuetral . The other seems to be a money making tool for T.B. marketing, which in turn is owned I think by Justin Tomlinson, also a member of the Conservative party.


Actually SwindonTalk is entirely independent and also neutral - TB Marketing owns the server that the site runs on, I administrate and setup it up on behalf of one of the users. The moderation as you'll see is other people. 48000 posts in 4775 topics and 189 members.... it also isn't just politics - it deals with sports, news, shopping, anything people want to pst. Besides Bandwidth does cost...

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« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2006, 07:18:23 PM »

I believe the mention of a school was simply as a comparision to quantify what #2 million actually represents. To my knowledge it is Anne who has linked this to West Swindon schools and certainly from looking at those comments is trying very hard to keep it that way. If Rod says it's not directly related, then it's not directly related. 


Dale,

Anne does attempt to go some way to back up her link between LSF to the schools by referring to 2 (unnamed) councillors that made that connection. 
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Council Leader Rod Bluh has stated that the proposal is “not directly related to the funding of West Swindon Schools” but at least two of his councillors have said that in public meetings and in the press that it is linked to the shortfall.


Are you saying that Anne's lying? or does Rod needs to get a grip on his own party?  something doesn't add up....is someone telling porkies? 

The last thing anyone needs right now, on an issue this contentious, is for red herrings and heresay to distract from the real issue. Tell us all NOW exactly what the council will do with the proceeds, that way people can take a view on this issue whilst being in possesion of the full facts.

So, Tory boy and girls, what will the money be used for?     :popcorn:



Perhaps you have seen today's article in the Advertiser. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonnewsheadlines/display.var.1021424.0.mp_blasts_council_over_lower_shaw_farm_plans.php

Coun Bluh said: "I wrote to Anne Snelgrove MP on November 10 making it clear to her that the proposal to sell the land on which Lower Shaw farm sits is not directly related to the funding of West Swindon schools. I therefore can't understand why she is now making these comments.

It cannot be any clearer - what do you think?

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2006, 07:38:11 PM »

Actually SwindonTalk is entirely independent and also neutral - TB Marketing owns the server that the site runs on, I administrate and setup it up on behalf of one of the users. The moderation as you'll see is other people. 48000 posts in 4775 topics and 189 members.... it also isn't just politics - it deals with sports, news, shopping, anything people want to pst. Besides Bandwidth does cost...
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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2006, 07:40:55 PM »

I believe the mention of a school was simply as a comparision to quantify what #2 million actually represents. To my knowledge it is Anne who has linked this to West Swindon schools and certainly from looking at those comments is trying very hard to keep it that way. If Rod says it's not directly related, then it's not directly related. 


Dale,

Anne does attempt to go some way to back up her link between LSF to the schools by referring to 2 (unnamed) councillors that made that connection. 
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Council Leader Rod Bluh has stated that the proposal is “not directly related to the funding of West Swindon Schools” but at least two of his councillors have said that in public meetings and in the press that it is linked to the shortfall.


Are you saying that Anne's lying? or does Rod needs to get a grip on his own party?  something doesn't add up....is someone telling porkies? 

The last thing anyone needs right now, on an issue this contentious, is for red herrings and heresay to distract from the real issue. Tell us all NOW exactly what the council will do with the proceeds, that way people can take a view on this issue whilst being in possesion of the full facts.

So, Tory boy and girls, what will the money be used for?     :popcorn:



Perhaps you have seen today's article in the Advertiser. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonnewsheadlines/display.var.1021424.0.mp_blasts_council_over_lower_shaw_farm_plans.php

Coun Bluh said: "I wrote to Anne Snelgrove MP on November 10 making it clear to her that the proposal to sell the land on which Lower Shaw farm sits is not directly related to the funding of West Swindon schools. I therefore can't understand why she is now making these comments.

It cannot be any clearer - what do you think?


Thanks Dale,

You've successfully sidestepped my first question very nicely, as a politician this puts you in the big league ;)

However your response also leaves my other questions unanswered....Annie had referred to 2 unnamed tory boys or girls that have contradicted him, so does he need to get his team to sing from the same hymn sheet, or is someone telling porkies?

I would still like a straightforward response to my final comment though, knowing exactly what the money wll be used for may make a siginificant difference to the way people view this issue  If it's going to pay for what I imagine must be an astronomical cost of all those civil servants on the sick at SBC, then I may say I'd rather keep the farm and force the council to get their house in order. However if the money will go to something more productive, somehting that can make life better for as many peeps as possible, then I may, just may, take a different view.

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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2006, 09:16:47 PM »

Do any councillors out there have any analysis/evidence beyond the rent vs land value argument?
Please?

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« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2006, 10:57:12 PM »

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If it's going to pay for what I imagine must be an astronomical cost of all those civil servants on the sick at SBC, then I may say I'd rather keep the farm and force the council to get their house in order.


TO DAMN TRUE - and an issue so obviously hypocritical that the elctorate must be left gasping. How does the finacial cost of that sick pay (for which we as tax payers receive NOTHING) compare to the 'lost revenue' of an asset from which we definately DO receive benefit?

I'm not a religious man, but the parable of the mote and the log springs to mind...

No James - they won't have an answer, because this council does not analyse or study in detail the subjects of or the likely effects of their decisions - from Caote water, to the parking issue to LSF. They behave like the very worst examples of corporate management. Short-termism is what counts - what they can measure on the bottom line, or what they think will win them easy votes (or not lose them any core support I suspect, in this case) Intangeable aspects like quality of life or culture are of no importance to them. Swindon is a bland grey concrete fungus on a 50 year old petri-dish of this sort of simplistic philosophy - and the hue of the lab-coat of the Dr Bunsens and Beakers managing our future doesn't seem to matter.
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Re: Save Lower Shaw Farm
« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2006, 11:07:52 PM »

If the question is your first one referring to whether is Anne lying... I couldn't possibly comment. No matter what the truth I could be taken to Standards - whether it is true or not. Rod has answered Anne, written to her and she keeps saying this as I posted.

If it was about the 2 Councillors, I've already said I expect that was to give an example. After this post she could probably add a 3rd. That letter by Anne speaks volume for point scoring.

LSF isn't an area of the Council that I'm involved in so I don't know all of the facts, but whether we talk about #2million or #20 million most people I speak to on the doors don't know what that actually means

#2 million is nearly 4% on Council Tax, half the cost of a new school, twice the annual community grants budget (combine social services and everything else and it's closer to 30%), 90 odd % of the cost for a full recycling service to every household in Swindon, approx 20 times the budget for Residents Parking, 5% of what is needed to pay for the Thamesdown/Iffley Road or 15 times what I need to take out speed humps in my ward and so on. If LSF is sold off, I wouldn't be surprised if the money goes towards improving Community centres and similar facilities around Swindon. We will have to see what happens because LSF hasn't been sold yet and I doubt it will be within the next 12 months


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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2006, 11:09:29 PM »

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If it's going to pay for what I imagine must be an astronomical cost of all those civil servants on the sick at SBC, then I may say I'd rather keep the farm and force the council to get their house in order.


TO DAMN TRUE - and an issue so obviously hypocritical that the elctorate must be left gasping. How does the finacial cost of that sick pay (for which we as tax payers receive NOTHING) compare to the 'lost revenue' of an asset from which we definately DO receive benefit?

I'm not a religious man, but the parable of the mote and the log springs to mind...

No James - they won't have an answer, because this council does not analyse or study in detail the subjects of or the likely effects of their decisions - from Caote water, to the parking issue to LSF. They behave like the very worst examples of corporate management. Short-termism is what counts - what they can measure on the bottom line, or what they think will win them easy votes (or not lose them any core support I suspect, in this case) Intangeable aspects like quality of life or culture are of no importance to them. Swindon is a bland grey concrete fungus on a 50 year old petri-dish of this sort of simplistic philosophy - and the hue of the lab-coat of the Dr Bunsens and Beakers managing our future doesn't seem to matter.
Sickness is a separate issue and something that was inherited from the previous Labour administration. A lot has actually been done to reduce the figures mentioned elsewhere.