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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2012, 08:38:28 PM »
It was reported at a recent meeting, that those houses in northern road, which Mcleod built, are having trouble with stairways that are falling down and houses that leak.. seems all is not well and the firm itself is about 1 million in debt according to it recent published accounts.. :wink:

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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 09:15:07 PM »
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China and India have much larger populations than the UK, so of course their consumption will be larger than ours. If you look at per capita emissions, I think you'll find that they are much more frugal than us.


Oh Simon you do disappoint me.  The 'per capita' argument is so ridiculous and discredited, I am amazed you have the cheek to use it. I know you to have a far more able intellect that that.

Eh?  :-\

The 'per capita' argument is of no value as it is allegedly the actual amount of Co2 being pumped into the atmosphere which counts, the number of people making up the population of a country is immaterial to the alleged global effect of the emissions.

True, the atmosphere doesn't care from which geopolitical entity the greenhouse gases came, it just does what the laws of physics tell it to do.

I think either you're missing my point, or I'm missing your point, or quite possibly both.

My point is that most of us individual people in our comfortable homes in Swindon consume a lot more, and emit a lot more in the way of greenhouse gases than the vast majority of individual people in a lot of other places, including the rapidly-growing China and India. Those individuals are aspiring to be like us, and I can't really blame them for that.

The trouble is, what they aspire to is the result of an unsustainable industrial revolution. And that's a lot of people aspiring.

Let's give them something better to aspire to. Have you read the Zero Carbon Britain report Des? We may be on opposing sides of this particular debate but I'd still like to read what you think of it.

Its a simple fact that renewable energy is incompatible with the energy demands of modern society as we know it in the west - nor the desires and aspirations of those in the developing world. End of.

The first part I agree with. The second part I think puts us at odds. I get the impression that you think the supply should change to meet the demand. I think the demand needs to change.

Quasi-mystic blethering about some fantastic cost-effective solution just around the corner is just that.

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I've been mostly ignoring Rob's posts about zero point energy being suppressed by evil governments in hock with whichever conspiracy it is this week (sorry Rob if that's a misrepresentation, I haven't had time to watch your videos).

But seriously, there are energy solutions which are both sustainable (i.e. they don't depend on a finite resource) and technically feasible, but they need money to make them happen. I don't want to see all that money sucked into a programme of building nuclear reactors and decomissioning them 20 years later, followed by "Oh shit, we've run out of uranium and we're broke". I want that money put into energy generation solutions which don't depend on things which will run out.

However something which takes geological lengths of time to dispose of * is no solution to running out of stuff which takes geological lengths of time to create.
We actually have little choice but to find ways to make renewables work, and find ways to store and deliver power efficiently.

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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2012, 09:27:00 PM »
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Have you read the Zero Carbon Britain report Des

Indded I have - as amember of the British Gas customer board I have been a part of the drive to encourage Centrica to be a leader in 'Leading us to a less carbon future' - although I have to admit that I tend to be a little more scepticla than some of my colleagues.

I am a fan of Fred Pearce (Rivers Run Dry) and try to be reasonably read on subjects which i pass comment on.

I agree that individually we (sitting in our homes in swindon) may well consume more and thereby emit more 'greenhouse gases' than say a person in China or India - what i cannot accept is that corrollary is in any way pertinent to the hypothesis of per capita statistics.

The issue is what percentage of harmful gasses do we as a nation produce compared to say China or India and what effect globally will our reducing output achieve - what i do know is that to achieve the end result as promulgated by Mr Cameron, this country would bankrupt itself BUT more importantly it would simply move the means of production to countries like China and India AND pretend it had achieved its goal.


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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2012, 03:17:26 PM »
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(This upload, is the complete documentary unlike the other one on youtube which is 53.27).

Please spread the word on the Kogi tribe and their plea to others by sharing this video, so that we may re-align ourselves back with the Earth and our fellow human friends.

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Couldn't help but think of you guys when discovering someone here who believes in myths when it suits them;

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In 2004, Elders of Manataka met with Fernandez who had denied their permit to conduct religious ceremonies at Gulpha Gorge.  Fernandez claimed the tipi, dances and songs used in ceremonies were for "entertainment" purposes and therefore did not qualify for religious provisions of the permit.  During the meeting, Fernandez called MAIC chairman and secretary "pagans and heathens".  For the past seven years, Fernandez publicly states that her motivation for calling MAIC elders "charlatans" is because their history is false and made of myths.
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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2012, 10:57:49 AM »
By how many thousand tonnes a year is our nuclear waste mountain growing by? Anyone know the answer.

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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2012, 05:54:31 PM »
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By how many thousand tonnes a year is our nuclear waste mountain growing by? Anyone know the answer.

Probably someone with even handed access to the figures telling us how many millions of tonnes of CO2, sulphur dioxide and carcinogenic by-products are being produced annually by our consumption of fossil fuels...
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Re: Are nuclear power plants going to stay switched on in Britain?
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2012, 12:40:58 AM »
Coast to Coast AM - June 09 2012 - Fukushima Special
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Alcohol will sort us out (50 mins in)

Very knowledgeabubble bloke. Well worth the listen for nuclear history info ... lots of topics covered, including solutions of renewabubble energy - lots of sense.

I didn't know mercury was released when burning coal!

Enjoy.
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