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George Elliot

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2012, 02:34:24 PM »
Is the bus rapid transit route going to take in the absent cafe quarter of Redhouse as it meaders rapidly through narrow roads of Abbey Meads?

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 05:58:50 PM »
Cafe culture had me thinking coffee is a social lubricant and is known for its coffee house culture. A place where people met in past times and discussed social, cultural and political issues. This worried those who hold the power and coffee was banned and houses closed down perhaps the political class in Swindon is grateful that there is no coffee shop in Redhouse in case it becomes a place of sedition. As parents can't meet each other at the school gate, because they are flung to schools outside of the area there is no opportunity for conversation there either. Without pub it also makes it difficult to chat to people in the local about Redhouse. Not having buses passing through Redhouse also cuts out the chats on the bus or at the stops.

Will someone reassure me this is purely a coincidence and not a conspiracy. :-\ 

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 06:24:15 PM »
You're not the only one that has made the observation about lack of places to meet!  What you say is soooo true. 

Add the works canteen, the working mens clubs. Practically the only places left are where the music is too loud for conversation. 

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2012, 11:21:50 AM »
Only a few days ago much machinations with wails of woe hurt and pain from councillors, but now this is coincidentially announced. Is it by the same developer who they could not trust to deliver? 
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However, councillors have moved to reassure them that this is not the case.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9792175.Fears_over_plans_for_more_homes_at_Redhouse/

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2013, 09:14:40 PM »
Is this the end of the cafe culture in Redhouse? http://194.73.99.13:8080/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appType=Planning&appNumber=S/12/0711

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2013, 10:03:49 PM »
I've had a look, I think the most interesting document is this one...

http://194.73.99.13:8080/WAM/doc/Other-381127.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=381127&location=VOLUME5&contentType=&pageCount=1

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2013, 10:11:43 AM »
Good spot, Grumpy, have had a read of the Section 106 Agreement and found this in the Definitions section :

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"Community Centre Site" means the site of the proposed community centre shown for the purpose of identification hatched red on the Plan attached hereto to be transferred by the Developer to the Council at the price of Two Hundred and Forty Thousand Pounds (£240,000)

You have to ask the question, where is this money going to come from to pay for this land?

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2013, 10:24:22 AM »
Good spot, Grumpy, have had a read of the Section 106 Agreement and found this in the Definitions section :

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"Community Centre Site" means the site of the proposed community centre shown for the purpose of identification hatched red on the Plan attached hereto to be transferred by the Developer to the Council at the price of Two Hundred and Forty Thousand Pounds (£240,000)

You have to ask the question, where is this money going to come from to pay for this land?

One could ask the question - does/has the council paid £240.000 for the site or for the site + community centre?
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2013, 10:33:15 AM »
Looking through the various documents

Didn't Redhouse Residents' Association put in any comments?  I would have thought that they would have been unhappy about the land being given over to housing.

Also do these 33 new houses mean that the amount to be build at tadpole farm prior to the waste water system being up-graded will be reduced?


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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2013, 11:00:26 AM »
One could ask the question - does/has the council paid £240.000 for the site or for the site + community centre?

Maybe it is possible to buy the land and build a community centre in Penhill for 240k but I would have thought not enough  to meet the needs of such a large community  in Abbey Meads.  Pine trees the last community centre built by the council cost cost over 2 million squid. That's unless the community centre  is shaping up to be a 3 thirds off deal on an Ersatz lite pop up one in a box  :-\
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2013, 11:04:49 AM »
Looking through the various documents

Didn't Redhouse Residents' Association put in any comments?  I would have thought that they would have been unhappy about the land being given over to housing.

Also do these 33 new houses mean that the amount to be build at tadpole farm prior to the waste water system being up-graded will be reduced?

What about the plan at Salzgitter Drive for 184 houses in the adver the other day  :-\
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 11:19:02 AM »
Actually it was possible to build a really nice and manageable community centre in Penhill for £77,00.00 but that was a few years ago.

Pinetrees is not just a community centre but has all sorts of this attached - like the library and a dentists etc, so it is more than a 'community centre'.   

The different communities in Northern development, because Redhouse is not in Abbey Meads, but in Priory Vale,  are all about the same size as Penhill.

The price for similar project at present could be about £240,000. It's all according how fancy and how big you want it!  And if you want a local group to manage it, you won;t want it too big and fancy - beleive me!
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2013, 11:22:54 AM »
Details of Saltzgitter Dr from Adver -
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10267165.Have_your_say_on_homes_plan_near_Swindon_stadium/

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2013, 11:34:13 AM »
Muggins, I think the people of Priory Vale deserve a centre every bit as good as the one in Pinehurst.  There is a dire need for doctors surgeries, dentists etc in the area - residents need more than a little green hut popped on to a little bit of land.  The deal is £240,000 paid for the land, that is quite clear to determine, and may I remind you of this topic -

http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,7139.msg53394.html#msg53394


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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2013, 12:30:42 PM »
Community hubs benefit most areas however Cabinet members attending the Streets for Living development in Broadgreen promised a new centre which has not been delivered. Now we are being told there is 20 years left in the existing building?

Money from the Ocotal Way development was spent outside of Central ward ahead of any development taking place. Where did that money come from? We are now going to see around £200,000 being invested around the Athletic track for the benefit of all of Swindon. The point is not all of the things that are promised come true, money from 106 development does not necessarily get spent in the area it was generated from. Sorry about the Deja vu, lets hope history does not repeat itself.




































































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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2013, 12:51:32 PM »
Bob, you say about life etc, some time ago, I had a dig about the tesco fiasco, where they were let to knock down the social club and build an extension, which then proved to be only a bigger car park, but in return they had to give some money to the shopkeepers of goresehill, this they did (£30,000) and then in the small print of the agreement, said it couldnt be used by the shopkeepers if it derided trade from tescos, so the money was then given to St Marks rec down the road for refurbishment etc, new paths and such, over the past few days, the mindless idiots that roam Swindon, have totaly wrecked the play area in St Marks Rec, and so it goes on, I wonder where they will get more cash for that , from..

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2013, 11:15:10 PM »
First of all an apology for the previous input with the large gap. I hope the last line can be removed by an Administrator.

Regarding St Marks a sum of 106 money came from Western Ward and the former laundry site development. Another sum was meant to be from the potential 106 money generated by the Ocotal Way housing development which has now started.


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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2013, 06:06:12 AM »
Muggins, I think the people of Priory Vale deserve a centre every bit as good as the one in Pinehurst.  There is a dire need for doctors surgeries, dentists etc in the area - residents need more than a little green hut popped on to a little bit of land.  The deal is £240,000 paid for the land, that is quite clear to determine, and may I remind you of this topic -

http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,7139.msg53394.html#msg53394


Is this an example of councillors watching a building free for all happen on every square inch of space in Swindon because they get a new bit of play equipment or a grit bin rather than a surgery or a dentists   :-\
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2013, 08:58:08 AM »
Muggins, I think the people of Priory Vale deserve a centre every bit as good as the one in Pinehurst.  There is a dire need for doctors surgeries, dentists etc in the area - residents need more than a little green hut popped on to a little bit of land.  The deal is £240,000 paid for the land, that is quite clear to determine, and may I remind you of this topic -

http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,7139.msg53394.html#msg53394


Is this an example of councillors watching a building free for all happen on every square inch of space in Swindon because they get a new bit of play equipment or a grit bin rather than a surgery or a dentists   :-\


Yep, if they can then prove they at least got something out of the development and keep the community charge down so you'll elect them in next time.   

By the way I'm not at all against each community getting what IT wants. Docs and detists are very hard come by, the surgery build is easier to get. 

As an aside the Moredon Surgery had a complete rebuild and make over as a district surgery, could it be the investment brought in down your way helped pay for that? And the Taw Hill surgery is more of district surgery, was that you Redhouse allotment for health care?   Abbey Meads has one and we have to use that for all but baic appointments.  Not every community in Swindon has a dentist or a district surgery - that's the sort that has a dentist and can do the minor ops sort of thing.
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2013, 12:25:05 PM »
I recall Mike Pitt and Celia Carrington talking of creating a cafe culture in the town centre.

Planners seems to have misheard them and created a chav culture. Do the Swindon folk that frequent the town centre want to swap their Greggs and a ciggy for a latte and cinnamon bagel.