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Offline Steve Wakefield

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Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« on: April 14, 2012, 10:17:59 AM »
If this is an example of the track record of developers in the old Abbeymeads ward JT represented for a decade then we should all have some worry about further development in the town. I believe lots of community facilities and services are being promised by developers over at Tadpole farm  Cricket  clubs, village greens, community centre etc. I am not confident based on what JT and others have intimated in the article about the record of developers, just what will be delivered by developers in Swindon, or on our doorstep as is the case with Ridgeway farm.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9648715.Residents_hit_out_at_developer_over__broken_promises_/?ref=mmnsp


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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 11:12:35 AM »
Do developers usually deliver those things? Don't they just leave space for them? And isn;t that what S106 money is supposed to be spent on?
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 11:38:48 AM »
Muggins

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  local MP Justin Tomlinson is making attempts to tighten the law to stop developers making promises they cannot keep.

It would appear from the quote from JT in the article that he considers they don't as why else would he wish to  subject them to existing/new law(s)?

Don't they just leave space for them? And isn;t that what S106 money is supposed to be spent on?

Muggins

Surely you are not suggesting that North 106 money has been spent elsewhere in Swindon? :wink:
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 01:37:42 PM »
we looked fairly seriously at Redhouse when we moved to Swindon... I wasn't convinced by the proposed village centre development (because I couldn't see how it would function economically especially with the Orbital centre so close...

So we decided it was pie in the sky and moved to West Swindon where we were surer about the schools, and knew what facilities were really there rather than promised.

Maybe I'm just a cynic!

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 01:51:29 PM »
Anyone thinking of buying a new tick-tacky house in Whichelstowe, Gorsehill or elsewhere in 'mushroom town' would do well to consider this - developers promises may never be delivered, leaving you with less than you thought you were buying...

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 05:09:54 PM »
Steve, "Surely you are not suggesting that North 106 money has been spent elsewhere in Swindon2

I've regularly posted that I don't think this is as bad as suggested, because I'm fairly sure people don't realise how much of 106 money for Northern Development was spent in it - at least the big bits near me - Abbey Meads, Ash Brake, St. Andrews Ridge and Groundwell. Maybe they were built and their portions used before the Council lost it's grip on where it should go.

ANYONE who STILL believes developers promises deserve all they get, I must rake out that very original pamphlet that the Northern Development Consortium gave at their very first consultations - still awaiting the boating lake!!

I said naively to the guy that handed to me, my goodness that's a lot of stuff you are going to put in. He said, No, that's what we would LIKE to be able to put it in, but you are going to have to fight us for it.  We were too busy after that fighting for inches and I am not kidding  - and my story on that has not changed since ethe first time I related it here -  I mean inches to save hedgerows/hedgerow edge/woodland edge and the odd tree.   

i.e. we were not fighting them to put things in, but to stop them taking things out and putting things in we didn't want, things that money can't buy and can't be replaced.

Have I told you already how much I hate developers!
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 05:17:27 PM »
Maybe they were built and their portions used before the Council lost it's grip on where it should go.

Muggins do you realize that the 106 money was paid and the Council not the developers decided to use it elsewhere?

If I were a developer and found out that monies we had paid out in Redhouse were used for example on the Croft i.e. another part of Swindon I would not be best pleased about it. 

How would you feel if you were castigated for the non delivery of one part of the deal whilst the Council used the 106 monies elsewhere?
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 05:36:13 PM »
"Have I told you already how much I hate developers!" 

Me too.  :argh:

I don't trust 'em to protect the rural setting of Coate or the Country Park either.

What ward is Redhouse in?

I'm guessing it's Priory Vale
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 05:42:59 PM »
Have I told you already how much I hate developers!

Moi?

Non...

"Have I told you already how much I hate developers!" 

Me too.  :argh:

I don't trust 'em to protect the rural setting of Coate or the Country Park either.

What ward is Redhouse in?

I'm guessing it's Priory Vale


It was in the old Abbeymeads ward and is not in the new PV ward.
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 05:53:13 PM »
Richard, what I said was that I know that what was paid for in those araas I mentioned was put in.   I also know that some was held for future maintenance.

I also remember a couple of years ago, Cllrs telling me that the council could now spend it in any area and indeed some that was being asked for for a development behind Cricklade Road £96,000 was destined for the central pot - not Central Ward, but the central pot, i.e in the kitty. As it happened the developers didn't build there, they just sold it on with planning permission. I believe the change was from Government, but of course our council jumped on the change with alacrity.

Soon after that and I have written this before, we were called to a training session on it, so with a quick look through me filing I could date that - so I think you will find that Northern Development 106 has not been filched off for all the time it's been being built, but that it is a relatively new thing - and yes, I would be miffed if it was mis-appropriated, but I think maybe it was not illegally done, even if it was immoral.

How do you think they've kept the community charge down and why do you think they welcome the developers?  Simples....
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 05:56:26 PM »
PS new developements do not get new community centre buildings now and haven't for the last 20 years, they are expected to use the schools for the the traditional community things.
Ex Cllr Barry Thompson who was the ex - SBC community centres officer was a great advocate for this, citing the amount of 'downtime' there is in a school.

It never works properly but, there you go, when do they listen to us?
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 08:22:22 PM »
Perhaps, someone should ask the leader, where the 106 money that they are going to use to build the 'socialable' housing on the pickards field site comes from, and this about £700,000........ :wink:

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 10:31:59 PM »
I lived in Redhouse from the start of the development and it doesn't surprise me at all. The same was said about the orbital centre, with its tree lined promenade and cafe culture promise. We were all given the same marketing guff, some of us however knew that it was only that. Moley you're spot on!

The Adver story is an indication of:

1. The pretentious nature of the local residents who want want want but then wouldn't use it if it was there. I attended lots of Redhouse resident’s association meetings, there would always be a call for a community centre, a church and a pub. Problem was that no one wanted to listen to the answers that the school was the community centre  as well, there was already a perfectly good church (and old) in Blunsdon St Andrew and that a pub will only be built by a brewery or pub chain. They wanted THEIR separate DUPLICATED facilities

2. How the local Tories have sold themselves to the locals on being able to 'fix' things and find out know that they are being put to 'the test' that they are as effective as an ash tray on a motorbike, so have to push the ire of the locals on to an easy target. Blame the developers for poor roads/poor house build quality/ rape of the environment etc, but because there isn't a cafe or pub.... I mean really???

3. Some people have no grip on reality, just what do they think is going to happen. ? Perhaps Peter Heaton Jones could demand starbucks open up a franchise, reservoir dogs style.

Steve Wakefield is right about what to expect, we used to cycle round the new developments as they were happening, playing the 'will it look like the hoarding' game... they never did. What you can expect is the developer to maximise profit per hectare, nothing more nothing less.

All the press articles, Tory hot air and promises is just window dressing to their (and any other local politicians) inability / lack of any power to control the interests of big business and the developers in particular.

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2012, 08:23:10 AM »
Mmm, what you are saying is Rich, that those fancy names for the development areas displayed on those hoardings like 'Badger Rise' or 'Meadow Lea' means they will be the  last thing you will see when it's finished.

the one that made me laugh most was the one for the whole of Northern Development a green daisy strewn meadow, with blonde pretty child gamboling across it at the end of a billowing flying kite.

You been through the open spaces over there yet - all under the pylons!
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2012, 09:04:37 AM »
I lived in Redhouse from the start of the development and it doesn't surprise me at all.

Rich

Good post Good to read a point if view from an actual ordinary resident. I hope your neighbours are listening to you, that is if there are others like you?  One of the ways to worry the Tory politicos about their election prospects  is occasionally during their term of office is to show them your teeth. Keep the posts coming it is refreshing  to hear views from within the community of Redhouse rather than just from politico Izvestia broadcasts.
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2012, 12:35:19 PM »
I notice that the local councillors have been of little use in sorting out the diabolical parking in Redhouse. Outside my sisters house on redhouse way is very bad, its everyone's main issue (as well as the recycling never being picked up)

Most of that was caused by developers squeezing as many houses as they could into each square metre
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 05:12:35 PM »
And a policy of not building for cars - green issues and all that, but like everything else, you have to have ongoing  and regular bus services to help that out. Not just for the first two years.  By the way, 106 money could have been used for that for the frist couple of years too.
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 10:24:47 PM »
I lived in Redhouse from the start of the development and it doesn't surprise me at all.

Rich

Good post Good to read a point if view from an actual ordinary resident. I hope your neighbours are listening to you, that is if there are others like you?  One of the ways to worry the Tory politicos about their election prospects  is occasionally during their term of office is to show them your teeth. Keep the posts coming it is refreshing  to hear views from within the community of Redhouse rather than just from politico Izvestia broadcasts.

Lived being the operative word, I moved out about six months ago, as I had to move to be nearer work (I say no more). However it is a nice area and most of the people are great, but there is a section of the population there that is hanging onto the beleif that local councillors can do something about the ills of society and the failure of developers to supply the environment and culture suggested in thier marketing strategies.

I am sure Justin Tomlinson would help if he could, but realistically what can he do?  The residents have been sold a suburban dream that never was (or has been) and the developers have long since sold the last house, paid the section 106 obligations and are gone. The chances of getting them to come back and build extra facilities are Zero.

I did read the s106 agreement for haydon areas 2 and 3 (while employed by SBC), which was very loosely worded (probably on purpose, to allow the money to be spent on whatever the council wanted). In my dealings with the developers they were always very, very aware of the wording and just how generous they thought they had been. There view was definitely one of 'we've been generous', now go away.

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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 08:29:26 AM »
It's true Rich that councillors or MP's can't help the people of Redhouse now - but they are responsible for bad decision making at the planning stage - and planning policy - so they cannot duck out completely. 

Which is why we should keep on at them now about other bad mistakes they are about to make now.

I'm fairly sure that lack of faciilties like those mentioned are not all down to developers - (no matter how much I detest them) although in the past they would have gladly 'endowed' the area with them.  Perhaps they thought they had via 106.

It's all in the pre-planning - town plans - core strategies - framework plans.  If you haven't got it by them you are doomed. And beware the change of policy half way through.  And never let your eye off the ball.
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Re: Whatever happened to the cafe culture in Redhouse?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 09:09:35 PM »
Well the Adver certainly knows how to stir it....

The article

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9648715.Residents_hit_out_at_developer_over__broken_promises_/?ref=mmnsp

and the fallout on the Priory Vale facebook site

http://www.facebook.com/groups/2256861621/

Is the real issue social housing or developers failed promises?