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Offline Des Morgan

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2012, 11:02:06 PM »
I am still seriously baffled by Coun Bluh's assertion that there was no contract between SBC and DC to provide a Wi-Fi system. I wonder how Coun Bluh interprets the term 'joint venture agreement' in respect of setting up a Wi-Fi network across the Borough.

Is he asking the residents of Swindon to accept that this Council lent £400k to Mr Hunt's company with the purpose of DC providing a Wi-Fi network across the Borough - and that the combined legal expertise of the council thought this could be achieved without a legally water tight contract.

What sort of organisation enters into an agreement without proper legal underpinning.

On 14 December 2009 SBC claimed due process had been followed by the Council in reaching the decision to enter into a partnership agreement with Digital City UK Limited for the purposes of establishing a Wi-Fi network across the Borough of Swindon

If this isn't a contract i'm not sure what is?

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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 11:26:51 PM »
I've seen nor heard of any contract between the Council and DC. The nature of the transaction is not one of contract.

DC was a business venture - it's stated aim was to make a profit. SBC owned 40% of DC, had a board level representation.

Therein lies the problem. Most Councils in their procurement process (I know most of the local ones, but not SBC)  have checks in place to ensure any potential supplier can fulfil the contract it is awarded.

Clearly FROM THE OUTSET, DC would have failed this test.

Don't lets get side tracked splitting hairs - the scandal is how the Council could lend DC £400k - which had absolutely no chance of being repaid without sustantial further funding being obtained by DC.

Given the latest revelations about the £82k consultancy the scandal surrounding the relationship between Bluh and Hunt becomes even smellier.




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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2012, 05:54:55 PM »
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DC was a business venture - it's stated aim was to make a profit

Whilst not wishing to argue the point, as i very much respect your views, particularly on business related issues; would you not agree that it seems odd that SBC didn't have a more robust agreement in place?

I am perturbed that Coun Bluh and Coun Perkins were adamant that the role of DC was to provide a Wi-Fi network throughout the Borough and yet sought no contractual ties which caused it to direct its energies to achieve that aim.

Of course it may be the case that Mr Hunt was so busy earning his £80k consultancy fees in the period in which he should have been directing his attention to Wi-Fi, that he was 'stretched' too far. 

What does become clearer by the day is the patronage Mr Hunt enjoyed from the benevolent hand of Coun Bluh

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2012, 07:32:02 PM »
I certainly wasn't trying to argue Des.

Your last post is exactly where we should be going.

YES - why were SBC not far more robust in protecting their investment.

Most importantly the last line

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DC was a business venture - it's stated aim was to make a profit


What does become clearer by the day is the patronage Mr Hunt enjoyed from the benevolent hand of Coun Bluh

I've nothing but total admiration for the way you are pursuing this Des,  just trying to help steer you to the most significant questions.

It most certainly is the patronage that Hunt enjoyed from Bluh that needs shouting about.

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 10:29:16 PM »
I wonder if any other authorities are investigating either or both these so called 'arrangements' as they were so badly conducted they were certainly not contractural. 

I wonder what the District Auditor would have had to say had this information been available to him at the time? 

I wonder if the paid Chairman of our own Council's Audit Committee has to say on this very subject and whether he is being asked about it on the doorsteps of Lydiard Freshbrook?

How many people are now responsible for this loss of public money?

As an Accountant I just fail to understand why Roderick Bluh would want to put himself in this position of vulnerability and calpability?

It is of particular interest just how many members of the public are now starting to discuss this very subject and then mentioning The Croft, Pickhards Field and Coate as well.
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2012, 11:09:00 PM »
 I think that Richard is correct. These seemingly unlinked events, may well be linked!
What's it all about?

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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2012, 07:36:18 AM »
I think that Richard is correct. These seemingly unlinked events, may well be linked!

Mr Perkins was Lead Member for Schools when the Temp School was set up in 2009 and the money was allocated to the Croft on the back of a fag packet study instructed and accepted by Mr Bickerton ( recently promoted).

The Temp School was a trojan horse to create a planning precedent on the Croft.

Mr Jones has called 'Class Solutions'... "Garry's school in a box"

Class Solutions is a business venture to hawk prefab schools to other Local Authorities.

The Croft will be the 1st Class Solutions establishment.

Class Solutions is Mr Newland and Mr Cleighton-Hills and a contractor Mr Currivan...paid by SBC.

Class Solutions has not been presented to or approved by Cabinet, Scrutiny or full Council.

Class Solutions has an advertising budget and was presented to Gov bods 1 month before the Croft was approved by Planning.

Class Solutions has a 1 or 2 storey version.

Pile Driving on the Croft is causing much concern and the belief is that SCS are laying foundations for a multi storey prefab.

Officers say that Wichelstowe does not need a secondary school.

The market is awash with professional companies selling prefabs.

Mr Perkins and Mr Newlands met with Mr Tomlinson in March 2011 to discuss Pre-fab schools.

Mr T has shown interest in the prefab concept in order to save education money.

Cabinet doesn't like questions on Class Solutions..

Is the White Horse Federation SBC in disguise?

Is SBC a council or a wannabe business venture..... this time next year Rodders.... we'll all be millionaires?

Is there a pattern emerging?
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2012, 09:43:56 AM »
The thick end of half a million pounds of taxpayer's money has gone to Rikki Hunt in recent years. How much has been "invested" in Class Solutions, WHF etc and who approved the budget spend?
What's it all about?

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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 12:36:38 PM »
The thick end of half a million pounds of taxpayer's money has gone to Rikki Hunt in recent years. How much has been "invested" in Class Solutions, WHF etc and who approved the budget spend?

Mr Jones admits to approx £10k on Class Solutions advertising. A junior officer bod appears to have approved this. We know his name but not sure that it's fair to make this public.

Mr Currivan is a contractor working on and given credit on Youtube for Class Solutions.
We have no information on how much he has been paid.

Mr Newland ( who said to me on Nov 3rd 2010.. if I could build a school without vehicular access I would...) and Mr Cleighton-Hills are both SBC architects and are both on the Class Solutions YouTUbe as the go-to-guys  ....don't know how much of their time has been spent or what it is worth.

Cllr Perkins time on Class Solutions is unknown. Not sure how much his time is worth.

Mr Bickerton chose the Croft Site... with Marlborough Lane as the main access for £389.

Capita were paid £3500 in total for a fag packet survey of 9 sites from which the Croft was 'plucked'.

Halcrow were paid approx £26k for a nonsense Traffic Assessment and now have work on the Croft Site ( naughty?). . Mr Cleighton-Hills told Halcrow what to do.Mr Jones sang Halcrow's Praises

Approx £1,000,000 was spent on the Temp School to get a dodgy planning precedent. Cabinet approved this. Not sure that they grasped what they did.

WHF are keeping mum and all questions are referred to the SBC Press Office... how very odd... the Gov don't want LAs running schools and here we have the LA and WHF, so we have been told , in bed with one another....

It appears that WHF's Web site is funded by SBC . Don't know who approved this.

WHF are advertising Class Solutions on their Web Site. Don't know who approved this.

This whole morass is like an iceberg.... there is probably much expenditure under the surface and not in the public domain.

Overall I would guess that Class Solutions and building on the Croft and setting up a Federation is going to cost a bomb.

All of this is exclusive of blight.

Mr Jones and Cllr Bluh are currently accountable for everything that has happened and been approved or let pass. They cannot pass the buck.

Not sure what the picture will be on May 4th.
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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 12:38:50 PM »
The thick end of half a million pounds of taxpayer's money has gone to Rikki Hunt in recent years. How much has been "invested" in Class Solutions, WHF etc and who approved the budget spend?
And the bu**er still went bankrupt :bash:

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2012, 12:48:29 PM »
The thick end of half a million pounds of taxpayer's money has gone to Rikki Hunt in recent years. How much has been "invested" in Class Solutions, WHF etc and who approved the budget spend?

I wonder if Mr Hunt is involved in this latest 'commercial enterprise' albeit behind the scenes?

Just a thought, after all he is allowed to earn provided it is declared through proper channels.
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2012, 12:50:20 PM »
The thick end of half a million pounds of taxpayer's money has gone to Rikki Hunt in recent years. How much has been "invested" in Class Solutions, WHF etc and who approved the budget spend?
And the bu**er still went bankrupt :bash:

The true sign of a competant businessman and a true man of Innovation and Vibrancy   :D
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2012, 04:40:38 PM »

I wonder if Mr Hunt is involved in this latest 'commercial enterprise' albeit behind the scenes?

Bugger, beat me to it.

I'll have to settle for a weaker 'If not him then perhaps someone he has coached'.

This local Tory administration has many traits of the last Labour national administration. If the local adminstration were indeed Labour I believe messrs Buckland and Tomlinson would be kicking seven shades of campaigning shoite out of them, just got to love party politics haven't you?

Nother thought, how many goes at being a publically funded oligarch does Gazza P get and will there be accounts (as it published financial statements rather than disingenuous tall tales)?

Is there in fact a bunker being installed under the pop up school as this may account for the extensive pile driving?

How many days until polling day?

Should I get off my arse and put the yorkies in the oven (a savoury dinner accompaniment, not small yapping dogs)?
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2012, 01:08:31 PM »
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Should I get off my arse and put the yorkies in the oven (a savoury dinner accompaniment, not small yapping dogs)?

A Yorky in the oven - surely it would melt?

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2012, 02:16:39 PM »
Stop with the food jokes already, some of us are trying to slim down for a summer which has arrived with indecent haste!

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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2012, 06:59:22 PM »
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some of us are trying to slim down


But you are just perfect as you are - cuddly :angel:

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2012, 09:22:43 PM »
A Yorky in the oven - surely it would melt?

Indeed it would. but my sort rose a treat, Delia recipe, bombproof but even better with an extra egg.

some of us are trying to slim down for a summer

Celery, that's what you want, well, not want, maybe need, that's a bit strong as well. Have a go anyway, it's nice with loads of salt and salad cream, maybe a bit of cheese as well. And a crispy bread roll, with butter, pork pie, mustard. Bag of crisps. Mmmm, num nums.

Nice in lamb stew, with taters and dumplings.

Do you know, I can't remember having celery in an Indian, Chinese or hiding in the salad with a kebab.

Maybe cucumber then.

With tuna and mayo and thick crusty bread.

Wonder if you can deep fry it, in batter.......
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2012, 12:42:01 PM »
Just had an email from the council leader, who tells me that he has never said that the original wifi scheme  was a success, and if I or anybody else makes reference to him and the lady from Westminster, he will treat it as an act of defamation........ :wink:

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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2012, 01:49:22 PM »
Just had an email from the council leader, who tells me that he has never said that the original wifi scheme  was a success, and if I or anybody else makes reference to him and the lady from Westminster, he will treat it as an act of defamation........ :wink:

Kohima,

I have just read your post and went back and had a look at the email I received... I've copied the section below...

I am a bit confused.

What do you think?



From: RBluh@swindon.gov.uk
To: croft.area.residents@hotmail.co.uk
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:46:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Croft and Cllr Bluh's response for full Council

Dear Kareen

In reply to your email:


Para 9 - Wi-fi has been the subject of extraordinary scrutiny, most of it politically motivated, and I have answered every question put to me. My actions and involvement therein have been shown to be entirely proper throughout and despite all that has happened it is looking like it is heading to a major success for Swindon. No money has been lost and the Council will in fact profit because of it. An inconvenient truth for some but truth nevertheless.


Regards

Rod
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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2012, 01:51:14 PM »
Forgot to add....

Wasn't the "lady from Westminster's" speech on Wifi heard in Parliament and as such would be a matter of public record?

It takes wisdom to know what you know and wisdom to know what you don't know and when to call in those who do. Often the people who do know will advise that evidence and research are very helpful when making decisions. Who knows it might even save a bit of money.