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« on: March 15, 2012, 06:46:30 PM »
I have yet to confirm if it is a wind up or not, but on another army web site, one of the lads has reported that from the 1st May, people who have cycles must pay a cycle tax of £10, and also pay £18, for an two yearly mot.
anybody else heard this yet?



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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 07:25:30 PM »
1st April might be a more suitable date.  Sounds like wishful thinking by a "bikes should pay road tax" plonker.

Some things to consider...

How are children going to pay this tax?

VED (aka "Road Tax") is based on pollution, so some cars like Chav's electric car pay £0, so under that rule a cycle would also pay £0. So a £18 "cycle tax" seems disproportionate.

A lot if not most adult cyclists already pay "road tax" for their car.

Local roads are funded from Council Tax anyway, so non-student adults are already paying for the roads via CT.

Finally cycles do negligible damage to roads.

Perhaps the people who came up with this are related to the car driving Swindon resident in this youtube clip...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4cpxS4Ubw4 Small | Large



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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 08:24:48 PM »
Cyclists in Guernsey pay tax.
In order to implement the system, cycles have registration plates.

All very well on a small island, but to run such a system on the mainland UK would be a bureaucratic nightmare
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 09:51:08 PM »
Sounds like wishful thinking by a "bikes should pay road tax" plonker.

My bike doesn't even have a bank account, let alone an income, so how anyone can expect it to pay any tax is anyone's guess  :laugh:

But seriously...

I have yet to confirm if it is a wind up or not, but on another army web site, one of the lads has reported that from the 1st May, people who have cycles must pay a cycle tax of £10, and also pay £18, for an two yearly mot.
anybody else heard this yet?

If there's a new tax to be paid, then the people who pay it need to be informed about it. If bike ownership is being taxed, then all bike owners need to be informed of this to enable them to continue to be law abiding citizens by paying the taxes that they are expected to pay. After all, how can they pay it if they don't know that they need to do so?

As ICDT implies, how the  :censored: are the authorities responsible for this task going to inform the bike owners of this if they don't know who the bike owners are?

Answer: Massive publicity campaign. It'd be all over the telly, the radio, billboards, newspaper adverts, and probably then some.

I haven't seen anything to that effect (has anyone else? If so then please speak up).

I conclude (until such time as evidence convinces me otherwise) that this is just a rumour with no basis in fact.

Thanks for the video Gorgon. Clearly the featured driver is an  :censored: and thinks that because he's in a metal box on four wheels, he has priority over all other types of traffic, particularly those on two wheels whose maximum speed is less than that of his box. But the video also shows the speed ramps they went over, so I don't think it was an appropriate road for him to be demonstrating the maximum speed of his box.

If I find a car stuck behind my bike when then they could be zooming safely onwards then I'll pull over and wave them past.

If I find a car stuck behind my bike when I'm negoatiating a residential area, then it's tough. I'm in the middle of the lane. I'm not holding up the traffic, I'm part of the traffic. I'm looking out for people who don't want to be run over. I'm in front of you and you don't move until I've decided that it's safe for everyone for me to move.


OK, end of ramble... I don't think that the bike tax mentioned by kohima is real, but I'm willing to accept any evidence to the contrary...
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 02:26:43 PM »

I love helmet cams :)

Once, many years ago, I was crossing a side road in London (as a pedestrian) when a car screeched up to the junction and blared his horn because I wasn't moving out of his way quickly enough.  I did what I usually do and paused to 'assess the situation'.

The driver, a young man in his early 20's, wound down his window, poked his head out and started hurling abuse.  I listened for a few seconds before I pulled a recently purchased can of coke out of my pocket, gave it a quick shake, pulled the ring-pull slightly and tossed it through his open window.

Bastard chased me on foot for a few seconds before realising that Streatham probably wasn't the safest place to leave a car unattended with the engine running and drivers door open.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 03:24:08 PM »
Reminds me of a story related to me by the manager of the shop (I worked in the attached office), on his way to work he had broken down at the Magic Roundabout when he stopped to give way, he jumped out and put up the bonnet (in the days when that was what you had to do that to get going again)  the queue behind him waited patiently, except for the second car in, who could plainly see what was happening, but insisted on sounding his horn non-stop. As this was making the stop all the more unpleasant for the manager and the other patient waiters and not helping, he walked up, spanner in hand and calmly said, "I'll tell you what mate, you come and repair my car and I'll sit in your driving set sounding your horn"  He returned to his car and affected a speedy repair in the quiet.     
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 09:23:22 PM »

I love helmet cams :)

Once, many years ago, I was crossing a side road in London (as a pedestrian) when a car screeched up to the junction and blared his horn because I wasn't moving out of his way quickly enough.  I did what I usually do and paused to 'assess the situation'.

The driver, a young man in his early 20's, wound down his window, poked his head out and started hurling abuse.  I listened for a few seconds before I pulled a recently purchased can of coke out of my pocket, gave it a quick shake, pulled the ring-pull slightly and tossed it through his open window.

Bastard chased me on foot for a few seconds before realising that Streatham probably wasn't the safest place to leave a car unattended with the engine running and drivers door open.

Not that I'm condoning that sort of action but...

 O0 ;D

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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2012, 10:25:26 PM »
VED (aka "Road Tax") is based on pollution, so some cars like Chav's electric car pay £0, so under that rule a cycle would also pay £0. So a £18 "cycle tax" seems disproportionate.

I've always had a problem with that pollution thingy.

Such things may, at the point of use, be thoroughly virtuous and indeed bestow upon cyclists the right to alternate between pavement and road at a whim and allow electric car drivers to offset the carbon points for their out of season alfalfa but.....

Some of them there green means of transportation are right resource hungry bastards to produce. Well to wheel and all that. The only genuinely green form of transport I know is a hobby horse, undecorated.

I am averse to militant cyclists who don't pay feckin attention. I am also averse to motorists who don't pay feckin attention. I am also beginning to lose count of the feckin pedestrians who seem to have just received a text stating 'step off pavement now'.

I would not put it past any government to tax anything (beard tax anyone?) and if the kids can't afford it they'll have to walk.

I think we should tax unicycles as well before some smart arse thinks of that.
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 08:33:39 AM »
Not paying tax on the mugginsmobile yet, but I hate fecking motorist that park across dropped kerbs or so near 'em, I can't see round 'em.  :censored:  And dropped kerbs that are not - crunch!  :idiot2: 

Good thing is I do come across the odd gentleman motorist who give way to old dears on scooters at crossings.  :hippy:
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 08:24:08 PM »
Straight from the office of the 'bikes should pay road tax' plonker.

They do.

Yup, it's true.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

Scroll about seven eighth's of the way down.

If you use a bicycle for trade that'll be £74 a year please.

Wonder who's mug enough to voluntarily pay that?
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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 10:15:37 PM »
after several requests, the lad on the army web site, has now said that he recently came back from a trip to europe, and on the flight was the Lithuanian national cycle team, who were coming over for a annual camp and also for pre olympic training, and so his mind went into over drive and the first thing he thought of was the cycle tax.  It wouldnt be nice to say that his reflection on the cycle team bit was also a wind up but left it at that, end of.. :wink:

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Re: cycle tax
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 10:50:54 PM »
So K, no need to 'pedal' this story any further then...?

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