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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2012, 12:44:52 PM »

....Indeed, part of me wonders whether the Wichelstowe land is the real prize, and doing Bluh the Builder's bidding on Pickards field, (to satisfy his 'regeneration' obsession), is actually the price of doing business with Rods administration.


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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2012, 01:38:23 PM »
Just re-read a Telegraph article where McCloud is quoted as saying "brownfield first'
You couldn't make it up...
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2012, 01:47:51 PM »
"his ability to look at developments as community sites rather than just collections of stand-alone buildings."

Being at many fo the Northern Development planning meetings, SBC planners could do that without any help (where land permitted) from the from anyone else. Believe it or not the planning and policies (when enforced) did seem logical at the time. 

Watching his other programmes, I don't think McCloed is after any Wichelstowe land, he wants something stand alone.

I agree with Tobes, if we must have him here, about taking his talents into something commercial design might benefit the town, let's face it he couldn't really make the town centre worse. Could he?

As to cost down in Abbey Meads we were told that every third house was sheer profit, so if you know the density i.e. houses per acre, then you can work out the profit. As to cost of land, back in the day is was about 3 million for a 10/12 acre field. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2012, 01:50:09 PM »
Worth a look:

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=10093
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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2012, 04:32:54 PM »
If the talk of the council 'giving' Mr Mcleod, land at the M4 developement is true, surely that must be against the law,
cant Des Moffat or another councillor take them to court on this issue?

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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 04:41:40 PM »

....Indeed, part of me wonders whether the Wichelstowe land is the real prize, and doing Bluh the Builder's bidding on Pickards field, (to satisfy his 'regeneration' obsession), is actually the price of doing business with Rods administration.



Watching his other programmes, I don't think McCloed is after any Wichelstowe land, he wants something stand alone.


Sorry Muggins, just because our Kev isn't talking about Wichelstowe doesn't mean it's not likely to happen:


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Property Disposals

Cabinet Date: 25 July 2007

2.6 A number of sites were under consideration by Mr McCloud and his partners in different parts of the Country. Following discussion with the Leader of the Council and leading Members the Council put forward two possible sites for consideration.

2.7 Both sites are around 10 acres and may support around 150 - 200 homes which would be inclusive of a 30% affordable housing allocation.

2.8 The two sites were Pickards Small Field, identified as surplus and available for disposal following the allotments review and, approx 10 acres of land on Wichelstowe.

2.9 The site at Pickards Small Field would be subject to local consultation and planning consent and would also look at the access implication through the adjoining scrub woodland as part of this process.

2.10 The site on Wichelstowe would give an early release to land to complement the Council’s wider aspirations on this site. (Subject of a separate report on this agenda).

Obviously the use of the phrase 'approximately 10 acres' is open to interpretation.  So, would someone like to hazard a guess as the value of 'approximately 10 acres' of building land at Wichelstowe, bearing in mind that the infrastructure has already been installed, and we're paying interest on the money borrowed to install it.....

....and Bluh & Co are going to just give it away.

Public funds used to produce private profit.  Do any SBC Councillors hold shares in any of the companies involved?

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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 04:55:01 PM »
"his ability to look at developments as community sites rather than just collections of stand-alone buildings."

Being at many fo the Northern Development planning meetings, SBC planners could do that without any help (where land permitted) from the from anyone else. Believe it or not the planning and policies (when enforced) did seem logical at the time. 

Watching his other programmes, I don't think McCloed is after any Wichelstowe land, he wants something stand alone.

I agree with Tobes, if we must have him here, about taking his talents into something commercial design might benefit the town, let's face it he couldn't really make the town centre worse. Could he?

As to cost down in Abbey Meads we were told that every third house was sheer profit, so if you know the density i.e. houses per acre, then you can work out the profit. As to cost of land, back in the day is was about 3 million for a 10/12 acre field.

I agree that he's not after Wichelstowe, I think he/his company are building a regeneration track record.  So once the economy does pick-up they'll have nice portfolio of projects to go after regeneration money.  I'm sure Swindon isn't the only place that still needs a lot of regeneration.

I'll admit I quite like his other scheme and the idea behind it (so there :p ) but what is going here is taking the pee.

This is one for the Croft Crew - how is the industrial estate off Signal Way doing?  Depending on who owns it that might prove a good 'regeneration site', after all the old Ford/Hartwell garage has just been 'regenerated'.

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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 07:49:49 AM »
"I'll admit I quite like his other scheme and the idea behind it (so there :p ) but what is going here is taking the pee."

I think that popped in on a site inside a lot of other housing, it's not important what we think of the design/s. But it is very important to those who's quality of life it directly affects.  And that's why there should be up front consultation and I mean right from the start.

A more traditional design, if necessary with environmental upgrades, would have suited that part of Ferndale a lot better. 

I wonder if he needs that contrast, so it sticks out all the more, and if so then it's more about ego than a charitable need to provide sensible housing.  and thats the scary bit and why he wouldn't be interested in the Wichelstowe site.  I do know that usually beofre development takes place on new sites, usually the developers take out 'interest' on the land, sometimes donkeys years before they build, so he would have that to overcome and pay.

There's a bit of gossip going on about potential sites he's looking at, strange people with cameras taking photo's of them etc.  A bit like dancing around every tree except the one he's going to cut down - old red indian trick.
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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2012, 03:26:05 PM »
I've just received this message by email:

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Simon McWhirter has confirmed further public consulttions by Haboakus/Greensquare have been cancelled and that the land deal is suspended. The council must abide by mandate and statutory obligation to hold a public consulttion.

Josie's group and ward councillors have called a residents meeting on 12th June 7pm at St Barnabus church.
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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 11:27:55 AM »
I am on a bit of a roll today so pardon me as I get anther thing of my chest.
The report in the local paper the other day regarding Gorse Hill Grass was misleading.
The plan shown was not what HABOoakus had proposed; it was a version of the original that Josi Lewis stopped in 2007/8 by identifying the covenanted land and getting it reinstated on the register at considerable personal expense.
I do not believe the report had anything whatever to do with Green Square, more likely it was a rearguard action by the man off the Telly.
What he had proposed was a gross intrusion into the green corridor that is the Hreod Parkway and no-one should be fooled into thinking that the campaigners were being unreasonable. I forgive completely Green Square for having been taken in by the spin and congratulate the people of Gorse Hill for seeing through the Crocodile tears cried in the name of housing need by the man of the Telly.
In the fullness of time Green Square are most welcome to continue development operations in Swindon providing housing for rent. Telly personalities can continue to do what they do best and social housing providers would be well advised to stick to what they do best.
Des Moffatt
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Re: MacLeod admits 'consultation' is essentially a lie?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 01:16:52 PM »
how did he get that award in the adver today, if they are falling down?...... :wink:

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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 01:52:21 PM »
Des: Green Square

Sorry I can't be so generous, having suffered from them.  They are quite capable of taking advantage and not listening to consultation, employing arrogant/careless developers to work on their behalf.  And could probably roll out a couple of hundred people who would agree with me.
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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2012, 07:52:29 PM »
Does anybody know the address of the 'experts', who gave that award to Mr Mcleod,, as I want to send them the article in today's adver about the state of the houses?

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« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2012, 07:57:56 PM »
Kohima, probably if you looked into it, they give themselves awards. Well, a sort of inner circle, it won't be the general public that's for sure.
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« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2012, 08:02:17 PM »
Ill send an email to the greenspace man and ask him to get a copy of the adver!!!

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« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2012, 08:08:01 PM »
Residents are not looking too chuffed about their list of problems are they? http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9778336.Residents_raise_list_of_problems_with_Grand_Design_man_s_housing/
 

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« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2012, 08:18:00 PM »
No need Ko, just use your search engine - it's the Royal Institute of British Architects, look's ok. Won't look so good if one of their winners is all over the papers with leaky bits.

However on the Pickards Field site, this popped up when looking on Habokus site:

"There are a number of factors, particularly legal and financial, contributing to this decision – not least that it is unlikely a scheme could be delivered in time to secure the necessary grant funding currently available from the Homes and Communities Agency".

This is part of the statement why the project was stalled.  i.e. it probably had nothing to do with the public outcry, well not the fact they didn't want it, if they could have shifted that through planning in time to use that grant it would have been done ahead.

What won the day there, was that the outcry stalled the planning decisions long enough for the time to run out on the grant being spent in time.  Got to remember that one.
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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2012, 08:51:34 PM »
have been told today the council are going ahead with their plans to take over the 'road' from cricklade road, into the site, so the battle isnt won yet..'

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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2012, 08:57:50 PM »
Was that by a councillor or directly from a council planning officer?   :fish: