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Offline Richard Beale

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Residents have other ideas...
« on: February 28, 2012, 08:55:38 PM »
Great to Steve Thompson getting in with this idea...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9558442.Urban_forest_plan_for_proposed_housing_site/

Top man Steve (taught me loads), If Steve has a plan you can be sure its well thought out and workable.

as for Cllr Bluh's comments

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Coun Bluh said that the Localism Act would be ‘a community right to bid, not a community right to have’, adding that Haboakus would not be able to secure national funding towards the project if there were a delay.


We are going to let them build here, sod what the community thinks
 
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“At the moment we have got swathes of urban forest going through Swindon. We have got the Great Western Community Forest so we aren’t short of forest in Swindon,” he said.

 
I think he doesn't want a forest? is it me or is he sounding a bit mad....

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“I’m not saying this is not a site for more. I’m just saying, at the moment this is a site the developers have been working on for four or five years and have invested a lot of money in and it’s right to give them a chance to submit a planning application.”


We are going to let them build here, sod what the community thinks



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Re: Residents have other ideas...
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 09:19:17 PM »
Im told that at the meeting last Thursday, Mr Bluh said in more or less words, we cant break the agreement with Mr Mcleod, so its a done deal however you look at it..

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 09:45:44 PM »
Im told that at the meeting last Thursday, Mr Bluh said in more or less words, we cant break the agreement with Mr Mcleod, so its a done deal however you look at it..

so why not say so publicly in simple words for the record then, rather than coming out with excuse, bluster and smokescreen? Afraid of the back lash I expect

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 09:48:37 PM »
ANOTHER done deal with no reference to the electorate, their wishes, opinions or aspirations.

Localism, engagement, consultation: Three words which, time after time after time, can be demonstrated to mean nothing in Swindon.

Only one vision counts in a poltician's blinkered world.

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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 06:37:34 AM »
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Coun Bluh states - that Haboakus would not be able to secure national funding towards the project if there were a delay.

This is a well used comment from Coun Bluh. He always 'has to' act quickly to secure funding - he said the same about the Whale bridge project, the new paving stones and of course he had to act quickly and secretly on the Wi-Fi deal to ensure no one else got in on the deal (was there anyone else - probably only in Rikki Hunts big sell)

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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 08:31:54 AM »
I wish I could sound the air raid sirens that used to be scattered around the town.

This is getting really scary, more and more I see an unpicking of all the good things done in Swindon in the last 30 years. The inward investment this town had because of the Community Forest, the effort not only by the staff but the call to local people to come out and plant trees, clear areas, plant other things, adopt areas the inward investment made by the Wiltshire Wildlife Trust, English Nature, Environment Agency seems to count for nothing.  All the promotion of Swindon as an environment city.

Healthy Eating investment (allotments being a big part of that) and taken off in many other towns and cities.

Investing in Swindon's quality of life, is chucking good money after bad, whilst these 'Johnny come lately's', 'don't care a damn about any advances in the past' nothing happened before we we were in charge' 'and if it did we don't care' or worse -'can't be bothered to find out' people are in charge.

Sorry but we can't blame Bluh alone for this, he's not that powerful, whether he likes it or not he's part of an SBC bulldozer, and no one seems to want to steal the keys or put on the brakes and someone is still filling the damn thing with diesel.

I've got to stop reading TS first thing in the morning..............

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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 10:05:30 AM »
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Coun Bluh states - that Haboakus would not be able to secure national funding towards the project if there were a delay.

This is a well used comment from Coun Bluh. He always 'has to' act quickly to secure funding - he said the same about the Whale bridge project, the new paving stones and of course he had to act quickly and secretly on the Wi-Fi deal to ensure no one else got in on the deal (was there anyone else - probably only in Rikki Hunts big sell)

One thing that really baffles me is why our Roderick is so keen to give our assets and our money away to anyone who shows any interest in them and then at such breakneck speed?

Just who does he think is going to benefit from this nonsense when it is so widely challenged?

And I do wish he would stop going on about his integrity as a means of justification!   :crazy2:
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 12:06:42 PM »
Richard, you and I both know that it's the only way they can 'achieve' anything. They have spent all the cash they asked us for, they don't want to ask us for more in case they don't get elected.  They need new proejcts achieved or achievable for their election leaflets.

Giving away stuff that appears to have to little financial worth, to them, for projects that other people deliver. is a very good way of saying look at what we did, we delivered so many houses off our total, got so many people off the waiting list. 

Trouble is the stuff HAS a worth, to us, and it had been 'sold' before, but for quality of life projects.

Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 12:56:53 PM »
There is probably a more appropriate thread in which to post this, but for the time being it will do nicely here.   It is an email I have just received from BTCV, who to make things easier are dropping the 'B'  for British?????

But the second paragraph is the most interesting:

Dear Community Network Member

 BTCV has been working for over 50 years to help local people reclaim green places.  From May 1st, we will have a different way of introducing ourselves.

Right now, with cuts in public expenditure, and one third of the UK's natural assets in danger of being lost or degraded, our work is more important than ever.

 
We are delighted to have the involvement of more than 2,000 community groups in our Community Network.  And to have hundreds of thousands of volunteers involved in our own environmental projects.  But we think that all those people deserve better recognition and support for their vital work.

For a long time, people have had difficulty with our name.  The full name "British Trust for Conservation Volunteers" is long winded and complicated.  And the initials, "BTCV", are easily muddled up.  We need to simplify the way in which we introduce ourselves, so that people can understand and remember who we are.    (granted it has always been a mouthful)

From May 1st, we will introduce ourselves simply as "The Conservation Volunteers".  Please visit our new website at www.tcv.org.uk , where you can see a short film explaining why we have made the change, and a copy of Roots, our supporters magazine, which has some great news about the fantastic work being carried out by conservation volunteers all over the country.

People have always been at the heart of The Conservation Volunteers.  It is the dedication and effort of volunteers and communities that helps to protect green places and make them special.  It is the goodwill of landowners and partner organisations that helps to mobilise and focus volunteer effort.  And it is the support of funders that has helped us to keep going for over half a century.

Thank you all for being part of the BTCV story over the last fifty years.  And thank you for your
continuing involvement with The Conservation Volunteers.

Tom Flood CBE

Chief Executive

We would like to keep you informed about all areas of our work and opportunities for you to join in. Please ensure we have an up to date email address for your group, so we can send you updates including our monthly e-newsletter GreenZine.


 


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Re: Residents have other ideas...
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2012, 09:26:38 PM »
I did ask if the council could tell me how many tenders they received for the 'sell off' of the land in gorsehill
 I was then told it was now the subject of a FOI question request, so I then replied that I did not want a FOI just an answer to the question
Today I have received a reply from Mr Patel, that the council does not need to offer the land by tender, in order to either dispose or sell it off, so the question does not arrive on how many they received......... :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2012, 07:18:27 AM »
Picked up a copy of the Link yesterday and article in that has Cllr Nick Martin claiming that Swindon now has more open space than it had 10 years ago ?????
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2012, 12:40:01 PM »
Must be all those brown field sites.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2012, 01:16:33 PM »
last night at the count I was chatting informally to one of the senior tories.  This guy is not an idiot, though I mainly disagree with his point of view. It was the sort of chat that one rarely gets except in that sort of lull when everyone feels a little relieved and a little vunerable......i.e. when no results had been declared.

It was clear their mind set is as basic as we portray it.

They feel that capital infrastructure projects - private or public - require land. Land is expensive and they do not see that this additional cost should be factored into the cost of large projects.  We started conjecturing on cost per acre at some point - it  to that mindset is a clear issue. They certainly do not want to buy land or clean up land to allow development - managed into the overall budget of the project.

So they feel that they have a right to decide which land they dispose of when and to whom.   It is seen as expendient accounting and good management of purse strings.  When challenged that the public should have the right to prioritise the the disposal of land or at least hear the bad news up front as part of a discussion.  No this was deemed simplistic thinking and that it was ignoring commercial pressures.

So my take - we have created an unrealistic picture of Swindon. To a large scale developer [inc. SBC] land in Swindon is now artificially cheap.  It is also highly possible to cherry pick the best land - i.e. no fitting your project to an awkward site - pick the best the developer may want.

- what happens as the land runs out - and the price of land has to soar
- who will develop the marginal brownfield sites - what further incentives will we have to offer for that
- who factors in the cost of all the man-hours and legal fees of continual challenges to schemes that are unwanted and not sold in
- what happens when the population are further disengaged to below the 23% seen in one ward last night

add your own questions.

But if the Tory sentiment is that Labour left the national wallet empty [there is some truth there] we are reaching a point sometime soon where in Swindon the current regime will have sold the silver and emptied the biscuit barrel - the cupboard is bare.

As oft I say - this is not an anti-Tory rant.

But it is an interseting insight into a mindset I don't agree with and a surprising revalation that it is no better thought through by some than TS often cartoons it to be.

Rum times indeed.
 


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Re: Residents have other ideas...
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2012, 11:29:54 PM »
Today I have received a reply from Mr Patel, that the council does not need to offer the land by tender, in order to either dispose or sell it off, so the question does not arrive on how many they received......... :wink:

Hey T I am rather surprised you should receive such a statement from an Officer of the Council. such a statement should come from the Leader or the relevant Member of the Cabinet?

Rod is not starting to hide behind officers is he?

Is it a dangerous place to be?

Picked up a copy of the Link yesterday and article in that has Cllr Nick Martin claiming that Swindon now has more open space than it had 10 years ago ?????

Perhaps someone should ask him to be more specific?
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