Author Topic: Celebrity Planning Blight #1 - The True Size Of Kevin McCloud's Gorsehill Grand Design  (Read 11792 times)

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Offline Muggins

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If they get their way, I'm wondering what fancy name they will give it.

It should be McCleod Grand Design. Not so much to give credit as to blame :D

Street names next please.

Rod's Folly?


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Back Passage, Shit Creek, Digital City Avenue, Tabernacle Close, Regeneration Road (closed for alterations) and maybe a Perkins Strabe.

Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Wot No Vibrant Villas?
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There it is then, Conservative Councillors knowingly voted to dispose of public open space as defined in the currently in force 2006 structure plan for no financial benefit to the Council.
The Tory Cabinet members voting for the decision were Roderick Bluh, Garry Perkins, Peter Greenhalgh, Russell Holland, Colin Lovell, Brian Mattock, Nick Martin, David Renard and Keith Williams. Councillor Mark Edwards abstained.

At scrutiny last evening I expressed the opinion that the decision of cabinet was unsafe on the grounds that Cllrs Bluh and Greenhalgh had stated repeatedly at cabinet that there was no open space involved and moved a motion to refer the matter back to cabinet.
Following much discussion when the cabinet decision was questioned widely the question was put.
While Councillors Small, Wright and I, Labour and Andy Harrison Lib Dem voted for the motion Councillors Tomlinson, Foley, Faramarzi, Parry, Shaw and Heaton Jones Conservative voted against.
Councillor Heaton Jones explained that he was content that the cabinet decision had been arrived at correctly. Apart from a bizarre comment regarding Cllr Small chairmanship there was no input to the debate by Conservative members.

Geoff Reid responded to my request on TS for technical assistance in colouring the cabinet report map and I used that as an aid to proving that there was intention to build on open space outside of Piccard’s small field and Kembry grass field.
Cllr Bluh was immediately on to that, clearly he or his minions read TS and it takes no imagination whatever to deduce that Geoff had a hand in its production seeing as he posted it here. I may come as a surprise to Councillor Bluh but there are people involved in Swindon politics who do not include telling lies as way of public communication. His attempts to discredit the coloured map fell on stony ground.
I do not tell lies not do I publish anything that is misleading or allow anything to be published that I am associated with to be misleading.


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There'll be no effin shops either and Big Pete says anyone who asks for them is a bumhole.

Any open space on the development can be designated scrubland at any time.

I also think this is an ideal time to resurrect the Giant Steel Nob that faded from the College Vision.

Permeable Passage, there'll be 14 schools down that one and the sole access will be via a rope bridge.
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Makes you want to weep don't it!

That's a good point about the schools - what school will any children from this development use?   Pinehurst Academy?  Gorse Hill?  Both pretty much at bursting point I should imagine.
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Silly me!     Tut, my old fashioned way of thinking - that kids should go to school in their neighbourhood - then the light dawned - they'll be going to Croft.
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I couldn't believe what I witnessed last night at Scrutiny and ask the question should we abandon the concept for all the good it does because the majority party will have its way anyway?  Just another reason to waste precious time and resources, just to completely ignore the wishes of the community these people purport to serve!.

To hear our Leader grasp at the opportunity of deriding Geoff Reid makes me wonder if he makes this more important than the transparent management of our town?  You won your debate Rod in Council, you don't need to demean yourself further by deriding someone who just prepared maps for Councillor Moffatt.  You will use any tactic available to you to deflect comment away from your own behaviour and I hope the opposition parties draw attention to this, and the fact that you want to give away all this land for nothing, at the forthcoming election.

I hate to think what will become of Swindon if we get four more years of this type of administration?

Is it even possible that a Conservative Government will put a Conservative Council into special measures.

As for Gorsehill I would expect that the local people will not prove to be as 'nice' as the people in the Croft, so this is far from over yet, but whatever happens it does nothing for Democracy and Localism, which unless Mr Pickles gets involved is a nonsense anyway!
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It strikes me that if they want their new structures  to work, including Localities, and using us to pick up work we were paying for, then they need to sort themselves out and pretty quickly. 

You simply cannot engage with people in the way they wish, to keep taxes down and then stick two fingers up at the same people at every opportunity.

Make no mistake about it, both government and council NEED US to make their plans work.

They may get away with it this year, but as every year that passes where we fail to co-operate - engage - whatever you want to call it, the holes will show.  A bit of passive resistance at not engaging should do the trick, and lets face it, most people won't want to so that will be easily achieved.

Nope, to get people to do what you want, you have to be nice to them - all of them.

In lambasting or deriding Geoff at a public meeting, Rod has to realise that not all that mnay people know Geoff, or what he's 'famous' for, (sorry Geoff) so that backfires on him.
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Geoff Reid responded to my request on TS for technical assistance in colouring the cabinet report map and I used that as an aid to proving that there was intention to build on open space outside of Piccard’s small field and Kembry grass field.

Cllr Bluh was immediately on to that, clearly he or his minions read TS and it takes no imagination whatever to deduce that Geoff had a hand in its production seeing as he posted it here. I may come as a surprise to Councillor Bluh but there are people involved in Swindon politics who do not include telling lies as way of public communication. His attempts to discredit the coloured map fell on stony ground.

I do not tell lies not do I publish anything that is misleading or allow anything to be published that I am associated with to be misleading.


I think Roderick considers the transparent publication of an easy-to-comprehend picture of the 'Grand Design' to be a crime and it bothers me not-one-jot personally that he misuses his position as a public servant to hiss and spit at me, so let him get on with it.

To be clear, the plan I used is the plan used by cabinet members when they decided to give the land to Mr McCloud's development company.  I believe they fully comprehended the size of the publicly owned open land they wish to give away to a private developer, in exactly the same way they understood what they were doing when they wanted to give more than 10,000 Swindon council houses, and some land, to a private housing association. 

Make no mistake, this is a slash-and-burn administration which, in their political desperation to 'deliver' something, anything in fact, is prepared to literally give away Swindons virgin green spaces because they think doing so will allow them to generate positive PR which they can market to win them votes elsewhere in the town.  Pickards Field and Kembrey Grass have already been politically pillaged, now they are to be commercially raped in yet another act of PR generating via political prostitution.

I also think Southbrook Recreation Ground will not survive this, not even partially, and I draw readers attention to what happened to the Stratton Playing Fields.

I blogged about it in July 2010, but it's still worth a read because some of the behaviours have resurfaced now....


Quote from: Geoff Reid - Partial Extract


"In the run up to the 2008 elections Councillor Bluh and his chums didn't want any boat-rocking or bad press,  so a lot of promises were made before the elections, (to keep people sweet and 'on message'), which weren't kept after them.  One such promise concerned the playing fields at the former Headlands School in Stratton -  it would be 'kept free of houses'.  It should also be noted that Councillor Bluh was also standing for re-election in 2008 and I would describe him, at that point, as having a very firm desire to avoid bad news stories.

Stratton Councillors David Sammells and Paul Findlow, (both Conservatives), were assured by Bluh's cabinet that the playing fields were 'safe' and a Conservative newsletter was subsequently distributed to every house in the ward proudly proclaiming that the safety of the playing fields had been 'secured' by the Conservative Councillors. Unfortunately for Councillors Sammells and  Findlow, and worse for the children and parents of Stratton, it would later prove to be untrue.

With the 2008 election safely over for Rod Bluh and the Conservative group it wasn't long before a bad smell wafted out of the civic offices which was soon followed by a bad tempered Councillor Sammells.  He did his very best to hide it, but eventually the story broke and the reason for Councillor Sammells' ire became crystal clear when it the Pravdatiser published the story in mid-September. The headline was: "Tories under fire over playing fields"




It strikes me that if they want their new structures  to work, including Localities, and using us to pick up work we were paying for, then they need to sort themselves out and pretty quickly. 


They don't care if they work or not, they are just obsessed with delivering something.  When the something they have delivered doesn't work because it isn't fit for purpose, they will blame those who are unable to make the something work.  In Cllr Bluh's myopic view of the world, failure is always someone elses fault.....


If you're as dissappointed as I am, please tweet about the Pillaging of Pickards Field.....



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Geoff "They don't care if they work or not"

I'm not disagreeing that the politicians don't get it, and maybe don't want it, but none the less, somewhere along the line they have voted for that change - big change too, or it would not be happening.

Now we all know that changes and re-organistions cost - big time- and staff (those that are left) at least ARE trying to bring about those changes. 

So it seems they vote for and we pay for, change then they have set their faces to scuppering the change they need.  Does that mean they don't understand what they are up to - that the left hand does still not know what the right is doing.  That for every 1 step they try to climb they knock themselves back 4?

This cannot go on.
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A reminder to TSers, the public petition relating to Pickards Small Field will be debated tonight at Full Council.
It will be presented by a lady called Jessie Bascombe a local resident who went out with her children and a friend, collecting 141 signatures in the space of an hour.
It's her first time speaking at full council and it's her birthday so I hope there's a good public turnout supporting her! :clap:

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is the meeting at 6 tonight ??>

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It starts at 7.00, I'll be there from 6.00

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I'll be honest, I didn't give a monkeys about the development even though it's just down the road from us. However as a gesture of support my accompamnied  the missus to an Open Forum at the Civic Offices. I didn't know where it was even. I only intended to stay for 5 minutes.

However, as soon as that pompous oaf Bluh started to patronise/bully/insult the residents I was incensed.

Can't we rally around and get rid of him and the other members of the Reichstag?

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PS I've just proof read my post, sorry about the spelling.

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Can't we rally around and get rid of him and the other members of the Reichstag?


Yes, but as Chairman 'Cuckoo' Bluh has already decided to fly away from Dorcan ward, and has already pecked sitting Councillors out of their Old Town nest so he can blfight an election there this year, (he thinks that is the safest Swindon ward for him to stand in), only the Old Town electorate have it within their power to rid the Borough of him....

...and Peter 'Axeman' Mallinson,  himself freshly risen up from his political grave in Walcot after trying, (and failing),  to get rid of the Swindon Dial a Ride service before, (successfully this time), decimating Swindons Domicilliary Homecare Services last year, then being rejected by the Walcot electorate for doing so.

How many elederly residents are there in Old Town?, they should be encouraged to familiarise themselves with the work of CllrPeter Mallinson quite quickly.  Where he goes cuts, chaos and increased risk to the elderly, young and vulnerable will follow.

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"How many elederly residents are there in Old Town?, they should be encouraged to familiarise themselves with the work of CllrPeter Mallinson quite quickly.  Where he goes cuts, chaos and increased risk to the elderly, young and vulnerable will follow."

Funny you should ask that Geoff, when we were number crunching/data absorbing etc for areas of deprivation guess which one came top of the wards with most people needing care?  Yes, believe it or not CROFT is/was top ward in Swindon.

Apparently the Old Town area has more elderly people living on their own needing care than any other area of Swindon.

Not unless they have all passed on by now, of course.   :'(  RIP
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However, as soon as that pompous oaf Bluh started to patronise/bully/insult the residents I was incensed.

Surely you don't mean Counillor Roderick Bluh, the man who presents himself as the champion of democratic free speech and who in his latest column exhorted us all to accept compromise as an essential to good order, and offered the view that differences of view should be accepted

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"To be clear, the plan I used is the plan used....."

Some of us had exactly the same response when campaigning for Coate.
Accused of misleading the public and being "anti university", even though we used THE plan from DPDS (which was current at the time).

To be honest, the arrogance displayed by our so called representatives, convincing themselves that we actually believe their pompous cow dung, annoys me even more than the developers.

at least the developers are openly doing their worst purely for profit.
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