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Libdem sulk.
« on: December 13, 2011, 07:55:41 AM »

The press is leading with stories on Clegg having a sulk. What surprises me is as he is the MP who spoke up for his constituency or represented them yesterday in the debate in parliament? Did he put his own interest over those of his electorate?
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 09:17:42 AM »

Not sure I see where you are coming from Steve.

Europe is an issue that crosses party lines. There are Eurosceptics in all the main parties, as indeed there are europhiles.

I'm 100% convinced that if there was a referendun on our membership we would leave.

Clegg is a europhile, Cameron not.
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 09:25:35 AM »

Quote from: ph1lc on December 13, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
Clegg is a europhile, Cameron not.


Exactly, but I don't think it the way for an MP to behave. 
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 01:05:04 PM »

Quote from: ph1lc on December 13, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
Not sure I see where you are coming from Steve.

Europe is an issue that crosses party lines. There are Eurosceptics in all the main parties, as indeed there are europhiles.

I'm 100% convinced that if there was a referendun on our membership we would leave.

Clegg is a europhile, Cameron not.


I think the point Steve was making was that Nick Clegg absented himself from the House Of Commons over an EU issue when he should have been in the house representing his British constituents.

Maybe he had a good reason to be absent, but if that reason was unrelated to the veto spat then it seems sensible that he would have taken some trouble to explain his absence.  As it stands it does look like he's being mardy.

I agree with your referendum prediction.  I think we would leave, but remain convinced that very few Parliamentarians have the guts to give the electorate a referendum.

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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 01:16:06 PM »

Or maybe true to his principles.

Whilst I don't have much time for Nick Clegg, he plainly didn't agree with Cameron over the treaty/veto. He is fully entitled to his views.
It would have been pretty hypocritical to sit next to Cameron whilst Cameron was explaining his actions. It would most certainly have given the Labour benches something to shout about.

Perhaps his absense was diplomatic and well thought out given that his displeasure was so widely known.
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 03:56:40 PM »

Cabinets big or small... if he was sat next to Cameron could/would he have spoken up for the people of Sheffield or nodded sheeplike like the rest of the front bench?

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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 04:34:50 PM »

I agree with Geoff Clegg is being mardy and that is the problem I have with his stance. MPs are answerable to the house and should explain themselves there, not to the press or have we forgotten Nick Clegg is Deputy Primeminister?  Again I say it is no way to behave if you are the Deputy Primeminister and it begs the question are Libdems really equipped for government?

I think Bass makes a good point, the problem is we will never know the answer to that question as he was not there to represent them.
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 05:19:49 PM »

Quote from: ph1lc on December 13, 2011, 01:16:06 PM
Or maybe true to his principles.


Given that Mr Clegg seemed to abandon his previously highly-held principles regarding things like VAT and tuition fees when he entered Government, that seems unlikely :)
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 06:33:24 PM »

Steve, how could Clegg have represented the people of Sheffield? You've been around long enough to know the process. Cameron was making a statement, Clegg could not have spoken. All he could have done is sit there to the insults from the front bench opposite. There was never going to be a division.

I appreciate you are a LABOUR Councillor, and a damned good one,  and as such you have to take a pop at the other parties wherever possible. I'm afraid that here there is no story.

I take Geoff's point about Cleggs principles, but Cameron would not have wanted Clegg there. I'm willing to bet that his absence was cooked up between them.
 
I've no time for the Liberal Democrats, but on this whole issue of last weeks summit Cameron could have done nothing else.
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 06:45:55 PM »

Quote from: ph1lc on December 13, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
Steve, how could Clegg have represented the people of Sheffield? You've been around long enough to know the process. Cameron was making a statement, Clegg could not have spoken. All he could have done is sit there to the insults from the front bench opposite. There was never going to be a division.

I appreciate you are a LABOUR Councillor, and a damned good one,  and as such you have to take a pop at the other parties wherever possible. I'm afraid that here there is no story.

I take Geoff's point about Cleggs principles, but Cameron would not have wanted Clegg there. I'm willing to bet that his absence was cooked up between them.
 
I've no time for the Liberal Democrats, but on this whole issue of last weeks summit Cameron could have done nothing else.


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....But, it has made a thread discussion out of a thread topic and I had considered the possibility that they had cooked up Clegg's absence between them, so I am grateful that you mentioned it.  :santa_wink:
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 07:44:43 PM »

have we forgotten Nick Clegg is Deputy Primeminister?

Yes.
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Re: Libdem sulk.
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 08:03:03 PM »


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I think you are right with that answer as Steve did ask a bleeding obvious question :santa_grin:
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