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Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« on: November 30, 2011, 05:56:04 PM »

Deplorable isnt it... :wakeup:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9391745.In_a_flap_over_state_of_Gardens____aviary/

But then what else do you expect when you've sacked the very person who used to monitor the welfare and get the vets in
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2011, 06:03:56 PM »

I thought by the end of the day someone would have started a thread, 'Sick as a Parrot in Swindon Parks'

Some of you will know that I used to keep budgies and cockatiels, those birds picture look like they have a bad case of ?   now I can't for the life of me remember the name of the disease, (French Moult) but it is b*&^*%r to get rid of, once one goes down with it. 

Will the RSPCA be knocking on the SBC door?
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 08:44:54 PM »

Will the RSPCA be knocking on the SBC door?

Exactly so, I was thinking that as I was reading.

Even after a couple of three years of reading about their exploits they still have the ability to surprise me with their consistent failure to 'get' anything.

Seems to make no difference who the key players are, there is an unbroken dynasty of crass stupidity.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2011, 07:05:37 AM »

It will be interesting to learn from the adver  what Old Town Councillors do about this? Will there be an utterance of something along the lines of  "it is a fact of life that some cage birds suffer because they are in a cage" or more substantial duty of care action taken?

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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 08:04:02 AM »

My fear is, that now brought to their attention one of these two crass actions will take place - they will open the door and let them go or they will have them all down the vets for the one way journey.  Now, which of those two is the cheapest?

Contact the RSPCA and admit their fault (I don't think so)

Down the vets for a bit of diagnosis and medication, which, if my birds was anything to go by, means some intensive TLC???   Somehow I don't think so. 

However it could still be that the birds have picked up a disease, (easily done) and are having treatment. 

Apart from that yet another huge investment in one of our parks, that did indeed add to the enjoyment of it, being left to go to pot??
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2011, 11:33:47 PM »

Not this again.... thankfully i don't have to deal with this again. Obviously now that SBC have sacked so many Parks staff, they have lost the historical/specialist knowledge of parks issues and those left just don't know how to handle this sort of problem.

The problem is that no one ever went to a specialist vet and they all relied on 'what a mate' had told them about keeping budgies, the Animal Welfare dept only really bother about cats and dogs etc. So the it was pretty much left to the gardeners at Town Gardens to try and sort it. Despite being keen and caring they neither had the resource or the time to finally do anything more than make the birds as comfortable as they could. 

The issue are SEX, overpopulation, Avian agro, SBC lack of decision, botheredness and money.

A quick run down for those concerned:

1. They suffered from vitamin deficiency caused by excess egg laying, birds will lose calcium from their bodies to make eggs.
2.The aviary itself is over populated and nesting, birds would be donated by the public and no one would check that the aviary's environment could cope and there were no quarantine provisions before introducing new birds into the avairy.
3. The aviary roof structure was rotting and water was leaking in.

So Weakened birds, fought for egg laying space / nesting sites leaving many without full plumage. Some days it would look liek bloody murder was being done. In these conditions they soon developed french moult.

Several guesses at cures just made the issues worse with no one wanting to call the vets in. Then just when it coudln't get any worse a bacterial disease developed that was decided to be be 'incurable'.

Thats were I came in, I got a letter from a visitor to the park who complained about the brids to the RSPCA, an inspector then called me and asked to inspect the avairy. After letting him in he decided that there was no action necessary . So it's no use calling them in because they didn't recomend a course of action last time. I was appalled at this, I didn't know of an EXPERT (sorry Muggins) in avian care and was hoping that the RSPCA would at least help, they didn't, infact the inspector dropped the case just as quick as he could.

I didn't want to drop the issue so spent a few hours ringing round or bothering peope to find a specialist. In the end, if anyone had bothered to look, there is a avaian specialist in Swindon. So I got them to give me there proffesional opinion.

Which was.....

Fix the environmental factors i.e. the damp and reduce the population. Add vitamins in the water and Antibacteria paste to be smeared on the beaks Twice a day until cured.
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Humainly dispose of them and close down the avairy.

Brutal choice I know, well which one would you choose? I never got to make that decision as I was made redundant soon after that.

I was all for the cure, but was told that NO money existed in the budget to pay SCS to apply the cure. I expect what has happened is that as normal, no one wants to own the issue, senior officers couldn't care, councillors can't be asked unless its a photo oportunity and somewhere in a bin lies a box file marked 'Ongoing Issues' (including TG avairy)  that I gave my manager before I left SBC. :tickedoff:

I think your all going to see more of this type of story from the adver.

As Tea Boy says 'Deplorable'

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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 08:13:35 AM »

I remember one rule for budgies: 

You need more cocks than hens and more boxes than pairs. The hen does like a choice.  And I had developed a great respect for the parenting and caring skills of the cock. Apart from tha tthey were murdering little b^&*%ss and a stranger thrown into the existing group always casued bloodshed.
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 10:17:37 AM »

It will be interesting to learn from the adver  what Old Town Councillors do about this? Will there be an utterance of something along the lines of  "it is a fact of life that some cage birds suffer because they are in a cage" or more substantial duty of care action taken?


Don't be silly GS they don't have time for such trivia they are too busy making sure the Croft School goes through!!

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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 01:49:56 PM »

I remember one rule for budgies: 

You need more cocks than hens and more boxes than pairs. The hen does like a choice.  And I had developed a great respect for the parenting and caring skills of the cock. Apart from tha tthey were murdering little b^&*%ss and a stranger thrown into the existing group always casued bloodshed.


And if budgies are kept in too warm a room, they start plucking their own legs to cool down. If you don't spot it quick enough, you end up with a budgie that's naked from the waist down and in danger of scaring the cat.


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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 03:53:19 PM »

Never had that one Bass, although ours started off in a cage hung from the ceiling nowhere near the furniture, we knew it was time to move them outside when the cat was found  doing a very good impression of those athletes that swing on rings, from the cage.

They were remarkably sturdy outside in the cold weather and I never lost one through the winters.  Mind you that was after the time I heard that 17 degree below, freezing, blizzard was coming up the country, we followed the storm on the bulletins - over Bodmin, over Dartmoor, Somerset, roads closed, bridges down. 

So I mustered all cages anything that would contain a bird, went out in the weather than was already here, net in hand. (Whilst (and this was usual) the rest of the family was watching tele)  and spent an hectic hour catching all the birds, caging them up and bringing them indoors.   I was 'glowing' well by the time I'd finished but my hands and feet were blue.

After that - they took their chances with the weather.   
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 04:33:43 PM »

I never realised that the aviary was also within the remit of the Old Town 3.

As these poor creatures can't vote I guess they have zero chance of any attention.

Dreadful...
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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 04:38:57 PM »

I can't see it being left - the RSPCA will have to intervene. But I would still urge caution, until we really know whats going on, someone must be feeding them or they would be dead by now. They are tropical birds they need special mixes etc. feeding them bread and wild bird food wouldn't keep them going for long.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 04:42:07 PM »

I never realised that the aviary was also within the remit of the Old Town 3.

As these poor creatures can't vote I guess they have zero chance of any attention.

Dreadful...


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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 11:11:38 PM »

See the Adver has picked up on this http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9412648.Splashing_times_ahead_for_Coate/

Yet more turd polishing....

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Coun Nick Martin, cabinet member for Streetsmart and parks. He said: “All the while we’re looking for ways of doing improvements. An awful lot of improvements we would like to do at Coate Water would be extremely expensive.
 
We will save money because we wouldn’t need the staff watching the pool any longer."


Is it just me or isn't a paddling pool a splash park with attendants? Sure its great to have a splash park, but its closing down one facility to open up another one.

It's clear that this isn't being done to improve anything, it's just capital outlay to make future running costs cheaper, a £117k spend to make a £20 year on year 'cost saving'.

That would allow Cllr Nick Martin to be able to sack another Park Ranger now...... thats one less, only five to go.....


 

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Re: Look what happens when you close down a Parks Department
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 07:42:34 AM »

See the Adver has picked up on this http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9412648.Splashing_times_ahead_for_Coate/

Yet more turd polishing....

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Coun Nick Martin, cabinet member for Streetsmart and parks. He said: “All the while we’re looking for ways of doing improvements. An awful lot of improvements we would like to do at Coate Water would be extremely expensive.
 
We will save money because we wouldn’t need the staff watching the pool any longer."


Is it just me or isn't a paddling pool a splash park with attendants? Sure its great to have a splash park, but its closing down one facility to open up another one.

It's clear that this isn't being done to improve anything, it's just capital outlay to make future running costs cheaper, a £117k spend to make a £20 year on year 'cost saving'.

That would allow Cllr Nick Martin to be able to sack another Park Ranger now...... thats one less, only five to go.....


You've hit the nail on the head. However, I would have thought that these spurts of water things still require some supevision, must be more expensive to run and maintain than a paddling pool (more things can go wrong), and I can't see the point. The children love the paddling pool. It was completely retiled and refurbished only recently - why get rid of it?

Here's an example of a Splash Park http://www.inn-on-the-park.com/splashpark.php
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2011, 07:51:43 AM »

Penhill is working to get a splash park and used to have a paddling pool.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2011, 08:45:21 AM »

Yes, Steve that was to replace a paddling pool, you can at least swim in the Coate pool.  The Coate Paddling pool was filled with sand years ago.  Nicked our idea again, time we got paid for providing them with good ideas. 

By the way,  that splash park is the only thing we have not managed to get that was 'prioritised' in our Community Plan, oh yes, and we were the first to have one of those too.  But we have managed to get the MUGA,  (Won ITV peoples millions) replacement junior play equipment and adventure play equipment, (two seperate negotions and had to find match funding) saved the area twice from development, planted and Orchard (totally independently funded by smaller and different funding streams) and got LNR designation for the Seven Fields:(Hard won, knock down, drag out fight with no prisoners taken) ought to have been SSSI.  Strong case had to be made for all.

Having said that SBC staff involved have been remarkably helpful.

But where is our LNR extension?  Promised in 1995, funded flipping ages ago, agreed twice at council - last time about three years ago - SO WHERE IS IT, WHEN DO WE GET THE DECLARATION - Penhill Copse and Furrow Field is waiting!!
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 08:52:47 AM »

Back to Coate: 

Paddling pools/swimming pools, have to be checked every day for broken glass - harder to check than the splash parks.  I suppose they need cleaning regualrly and that chemical stuff added etc. but we already have one ready to go and the kids love them, although there might be a need to make seperate provision for smaller children. No doubt a 'lifeguard has to be present so thats costly.

The Splash parks have specially made equipment, all safety things taken into account prior to building etc.  they have safety surfaces, and the kids love them - provsion for all ages can be built in.  However they do take some installing and they are I think, computer programmed, so if that goes wrong how much does that cost and surely there would need to be some sort of attendant anyway?

In the present climate - weather and financial - I would stick with what we've got and improve on it.  However,  I bet there is a special grant doing the rounds and if it is, there's no chance it would come North - it's bound to go West or South.
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2011, 09:36:54 AM »

Muggins

Let us see what the future holds, austerity will not last forever, and we are still be threatened with the conservative's big society. Has anyone seeen it materialising as evisaged by Cameron/Pickles or was it another premature conjecture from Tory Towers?
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2011, 12:26:48 PM »

Steve,  Big Society, aye, they picnched that idea of us too! 


That's old hat now it's Locality locality locality...............the season party game is guessing nt who your locality lead is, but what are they going to do.

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