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Why is this happening in Swindon today I thought there was a shortage of allotments.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9292467.Re_open_allotment_site__say_residents/



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Re: Why Are Allotments Standing Idle In Pinehurst Don't People Want Them?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 10:59:09 PM »
Because Swindon Borough Council made the allotment lady redundant and got the 'angling development' to do it as well as developing his angling.....

Cause and effect.     


Cut the parks team by half, sack the only two horticulturlists, especially one who was doing so well getting to grip with this issue , what is going to happen....Simples

Love the comment about park rangers doing it.  :2funny:  Roflmao
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 08:24:19 AM »
Let me get this right to build houses Happiness Architecture Building are building on Leisure Gardens that give happiness, sustainability and help the environment :o And the Tory council support it.. What that nice fluffy  Rod Bluh wants to build on leisure gardens?.....Wicked man  :o

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 09:41:38 AM »
Park Rangers doing it is not funny, they've been halved in number and have plenty to do as it is. 

Seeing the effects of that already too.   

Basically after years of cut back after cut back we have reached the point of no more left to cut without the place turning derelict. 

Soon we are going to have to pay more Community Charge

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Re: Why Are Allotments Standing Idle In Pinehurst Don't People Want Them?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 10:04:20 AM »
Is that between visiting the council's housing tenants, as has been alleged?
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 10:23:50 AM »
Soon we are going to have to pay more Community Charge

What part of the council tax is that? Or is it only charged to the communities with parks and facilities?

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 01:45:48 PM »
Ok, soon we are going  to have to pay more council tax.

Something all the politicians are avoiding.
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Re: Why Are Allotments Standing Idle In Pinehurst Don't People Want Them?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 04:42:58 PM »
Ok, soon we are going  to have to pay more council tax.

Something all the politicians are avoiding.


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That very thought is concentrating the minds of spin doctors politicians everywhere it's like an elephant in the room!

This is the number of people waiting for an allotment in Swindon as of February 2011
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 05:28:26 PM »
with that number in mind, the story in the adver broke just this week, the council, or the man in charge, wont do anything about it, they have shut down the pickards small field, 126 plots alone, we have at least 4 on my site which have been empty for years and yet as people have already said, if you ask, your told its let!!, they got rid of the best officer for the job,  and replaced her with a boot licker to say the least, and then replaced her with a man who has about 6 other jobs, so you have no chance, Im still waiting for a promise about nearly 6 weeks ago, for a skip on the site to take away some rubbish, and a request for a tenant to erect a wind break but no answers, as he is busy elsewhere.... and for this site, and I expect more around the town, the list for tenants is closed due to demand !!. we complained about the water flow rate, (the pipe is too small for the job), they sent up a council worker on a very big tractor and a pair of pliers to see what he could do, nothing, didnt think of bringing a rotovator with him to clear some of the unused plots,,

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Re: Why Are Allotments Standing Idle In Pinehurst Don't People Want Them?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 06:37:28 PM »
Why is this happening in Swindon today I thought there was a shortage of allotments.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9292467.Re_open_allotment_site__say_residents/


Maybe it had something to do with the rogue cockeral re: Pinehurst Allotment. Although it has gone rather quiet of late  >:D

My mums house backs on to the Allotments and it always appears to be well used :-)
My grandad had one there when he was alive and he enjoyed it. We enjoyed all the fresh veg as kids.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 06:41:36 PM »
The last thing a neglected allotment needs is a rotovator, digging in weed, seeds and you know what they say Kohima

"One years seeding - seven years weeding"

Long live Ragwort pulling - now there is a task for the Big Society. :)


And community payback....
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2011, 07:22:07 PM »
The last thing a neglected allotment needs is a rotovator,

You ain't seen the beast he uses, a plot is a thing of beauty after he's done it.

Right about the water though.

Must have spent squillions opening up some more plots, tarmac road in, fencing, the works. Then tried to feed the lot on a 15mm pipe, don't want to seem churlish or ungrateful but it does make you sigh.

Arid plot, lots of seedlings and a barely a gnats widdle. Luckily a very nice man kept pumping water in.....
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 09:40:14 PM »
Muggins, your right about the rotovator and the weeds, its just that if and when done, the ground is acceptable to a new tenant, at the moment the council has a take it or leave it policy and if you do leave it, then your off the list, so you go along to your new plot, say one of those on the pinehurst road plot, and the grass is about 5 foot high and you cant even see the end of your plot, and then your down a new tenant before you even start to get his name !!. come along to our plot and Ill give you one of those that has been empty for about 2 - 3 years and then see if you want to take it on !!.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 10:53:49 PM »
Kohima, i feel the need to take you to task on some points, as some one who has worked with all the allotment officers for the past 20 years and has been an allotment holder

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they got rid of the best officer for the job

That's not the same officer who would always say yes to every request whether she had the ability to carry it through or not, got herself and the allotments into a right pickle and then left of her own volition before it all went t**s up was it? Fair to say she was a nice girl, not a clue about who to run a service othe rthan to say anything to placate the person who shouted loudest. Understand she runs the Binmen at SCS now. Nice girl Cristabel, just not a clue about having to say NO to people , which by the way, is a skill most required in local government. Her ability to say yes was liked by many but unfortunately not matched by her ability to get anything done...

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and replaced her with a boot licker to say the least

That couldn't be the officer whop then had to pick up the mess left over from the one you praise and sorted it out, as well as doing 3 other jobs (which you seem to forget or never knew about). This lady was the first proper gardener to have done that role for nearly 10 years. I could give you facts on the projects started and completed, something that couldn't be attributed to the earlier incumbent. Working with her (my desk was very near hers) i saw and heard at first hand her efforts to make swindon's allotments better places.

I think its rather unfair for you to slander Emma in this manner without really knowing her or her work ethic.

Far from being a 'bootlicker' she cared passionately about home/ allotment grown veg and fruit, she would argue the case for new allotments and for the causes of the plot tenants . Her redundancy was truly a nail in SBC allotment provision

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and then replaced her with a man who has about 6 other jobs, so you have no chance, Im still waiting for a promise about nearly 6 weeks ago, for a skip on the site to take away some rubbish, and a request for a tenant to erect a wind break but no answers, as he is busy elsewhere

So you like him then, i see a pattern, another yes man who can't deliver.. wouldn't expect that windbreak any time soon as i suspect the money to do it doesn't exist.

Its harder to tell the unpalatable truth, to make sure every plot holder obeys the rules and does not annoy their neighbour (its also more professional to do so), but by god its oh so easy to court favour , let plot holder do what they want (legal or not) and yeild to requests you can't fulfil..

Don't get me wrong, I like Mark, he just hasn't got the experience or grip on costs. but there are only so many hours in the day a man can work and in the parks team you can the almost hear silent reduction of an ever shrinking budget.




As for the general point of unkept allotments, they are let on a lease, and like any legal document any action you take to terminate that lease has to be documented and dealt with in a certain fashion. Allotments agreements often take several months to terminate. Plot holders often have a justifiable reason for not cultivating. Without knowing the plotholder or the underlying issue it is a little unfair to criticise an allotment officer for not kicking people off.

In have seen it all, from plotholder who when warned, do a little bit each time... to a family complaining that a dead ex-allotment holder plot was offered too soon after the gent's death ( and that was one that had lots of complaints about overgrowth and he'd been dead for months... just when can you release the plot). The plotholder who thought spraying diesel on his plot to will weeds was acceptable, and the the plot holder who's smoking week long bonfire was causing a major annoyance to half of stratton (you may have heard about that one...)

There is one essential truth about allotment holders... you can't please them! What is right for one, will without fail, be wrong for his next door neighbour

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 11:17:55 PM »
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Must have spent squillions opening up some more plots, tarmac road in, fencing, the works. Then tried to feed the lot on a 15mm pipe, don't want to seem churlish or ungrateful but it does make you sigh.

Arid plot, lots of seedlings and a barely a gnats widdle. Luckily a very nice man kept pumping water in.....

£1.2 million in fact... every site had improvements and all action by the previous allotnment officer (kohima please note)

Did anyone get the allotment sheds promised by Cllr Bluh for each plot holder?

Pumping water from where, if this is the site I think it is then do the water company know there's a working pump attached to their main? Has it a license?

Nightmare scenario for an allotment officer.......

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2011, 09:32:25 AM »
Ah! gardeners - I remember them - from my Gardening Club days - the best of people, the worst of people and yes, they were, or at least some of them were moaners, never happy, but still the best people.

We have two taps in the Orchard - a disused allotment - but we never turn them on, we have used £11.47p water in 8.5 years.  That was in Christabel's day - she let us off the bill, as it would ahve cost more to administer. 

I remember when Richard had his first allotment - a very young man - I beleive that no work could be done, because the 'old boys' kept stopping him to offer him advice.......


It's not the rotovator so much as having the time to walk behind picking all the old stuff out. If you have the strength it best to double dig in the old fasdhioned way, at least for the first year.

Having seen at 7F's what happens when soil is 'unearthed' I'd do as little digging as possible.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 09:39:36 AM »
the plot holder who's smoking week long bonfire was causing a major annoyance to half of stratton (you may have heard about that one...)

And who was that I wonder? Probably kids set fire to it or instantaneous combustion caused by the heat of rotting vegetable matter? It could have been a discared bottle and the sun magnified itself onto the compost heap? A carlessy discarded match/fag end/cigar butt or someone must have knocked their pipe out on it! I have heard all of those reasons given as excuses on a no bonfires allowed allotment!  :wink:

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 11:50:35 AM »
the wind break was going and is being put up by the tenant, he didnt want a cash handout just permission, the water pumping in, is from my outside tap, because the present tank wouldnt resupply one tenant let alone 5 or 6 at a time, the fires that go on, are a fact, I have had fires when people moan,  I phoned the department about two weeks ago for someone to come and kill a wasps nest outside my shed door, still waiting,
was Crystabel fired because she got things done?. we used to have a trailer here for waste, but that was stopped, on the pretence that someone in walcot had put a couch in their trailer so everybody had to suffer no trailer, we used to have regular meetings with the reps at the Oasis, that is long gone now, the last one we had was in Feb,
Emma did do a good job, but whenever you asked about plots it was always the 'its let' reply, no action
still waiting for the skip, still waiting for the reply\windbreak, still waiting for the wasp nests, my neighbour rung about a month ago, because the fence between her house and the plot is broken down and foxes are running all over her garden, she is still waiting for that to be fixed. Im sure your right about plot holders, what some will do and some wont is always the problem, that lad who put the deisel down was he kicked off, I would have done so,  If a plot is not being done, then how long do you wait for someone else to take over, that is the main cause of complaint, you can see the plots going to waste and nothing is done.

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 02:19:45 PM »
Got Signal, probably not kids (Bonfire), it's a dying art, a good 'bonnie' or a 'cooch' as we used to call them, the idea is that veg/garden waste went on the bonfire, and then when there was a goodly pile, a sort of turf top was put on it, and set fire to from underneath, this burned nice and slow, i.e. not an inferno, but a nice low smoke slow burn, this would not only get rid of what was in the pile but sterilise it too, so when you spread the potash back in, there were no deceases and the seeds were burned -dead. 

When we moved here, the garden had not been done for 11 years, my husband created such a 'cooch' and it burned for 4 weeks - the neighbours did not complain, (not a  lot of smoke) they were glad to see the garden under control.  It's not the sort of thing you needed more than once a year and with compost bins and a free green bag pick up every week the need as all but died out all together.

Kohima, a fence repair won't keep the foxes out they are as agile as cats.

Why do you have to have a skip for rubbish you've produced?

And won't all the wasps die naturally in a few weeks, if they have not already done so?
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 05:15:26 PM »
rubbish came from tenants who left and left their rubbish,
holes in fence maybe they will jump over but at least it was there,
wasps nests maybe they will go away in time and in winter, but until then I couldnt get into my shed.
and if your told it will be done then why hasnt it......
when our roads were improved, they left the water buts at ground level which doesnt do much for your back, chrystabel was going to get them raised but she was moved on before then, so that improvement was carried out while she was in office, and not glory days for the next incumbant.......