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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2011, 06:04:31 PM »

Hmmmm ok, but its still a private blog, freedom of speech doesnt translate universally ESPECIALLY the internet. Its treated as a privilege than a right, however without reading your original comment I cannot offer more in the way of discussion. 

Ill have a look when I get a few minutes

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« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2011, 06:09:28 PM »

If I could reprint my original comments then I would Mellon, but I made them direct onto her blog site, and they have never appeared again, so unless she has them in her archives, then dont know how to reproduce them, she never printed them and she did print those in her praise, so that is why I complained about her one sided show.....

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« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2011, 06:28:35 PM »

There were about 20 separate comments made on my blog site by Mr Reynolds. Many were couched in offensive language; others were deliberately unpleasant about me personally; yet more were provocatively offensive. It seemed to us that Mr Reynolds did not wish to engage in constructive debate but leave these comments on my site for others to read. As has been said by several other people on this thread, I'm under no obligation to publish anything at all. I'd love to know whether he posts equally offensive comments on the Tory MPs' sites - and I don't mean private emails that are not published.

We have published the one reasonably couched comment from him and I wrote a response to it, which Mr Reynolds has conveniently ignored both on this site and on my blog. Had all his comments on my blog been expressed in moderate terms, they would have been published and I would have answered them, including those I disagree with.

This is not about free speech. This is about Mr Reynolds wanting to have a go at me because as an ex-Tory candidate with very right wing views, he finds it hard to accept that Labour was successful in getting MPs elected in Swindon, and will do so again.

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« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2011, 06:31:19 PM »

.....and don't get me started on his spelling, punctuation and grammar. Clearly Mr Reynolds was not educated under a Labour Government.

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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2011, 06:45:28 PM »

Oh no, I thought this rang an alarm bell....

the lady from Canada, wrote to the US gov, and complained about about how the insurgents were being treated, when sent back to Afghanistan, and the email is the reply she got..
Hope this is clear for u, if not try the redirection route and shout louder.......
(when I said in the blog, they were sent back to Afghan etc, I meant the muslims\insurgents).
And remember I am a Daily Panic reader.... :2funny:


Are you referring to the same email which you forwarded to me on October the 15th 2011 ?

I have reproduced it below:

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IF ONLY.........

Take a minute to read this... it’s quite humorous!!
 
A lady Canadian libertarian wrote a lot of letters to the government, complaining about the treatment of captive insurgents (terrorists) being held in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities. She received back the following reply:

National Defence Headquarters
MGen George R. Pearkes Bldg, 15 NT
101 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa, ON K1A 0K2
Canada


Dear Concerned Citizen,
Thank you for your recent letter expressing your profound concern of treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists captured by Canadian Forces - who were subsequently transferred to the Afghanistan Government and are currently being held by Afghan officials in Afghanistan National correctional System facilities.

Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinions were heard loud and clear here in Ottawa.

You will be pleased to learn, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself; we are creating a new Department here at the Department of National Defence, to be called 'Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers' program, or L.A.R.K. for short.

In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to divert one terrorist and place him in your personal care.

Your personal detainee has been selected and is scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence in Toronto next Monday.

Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint.

It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommend in your letter.

Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws.

Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences.

We understand that you plan to offer counselling and home schooling.

Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers.

We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group.

He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property.

This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that he will recommend as more appropriate attire.

I'm sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka over time. Just remember that it is all part of 'respecting his culture and religious beliefs' as described in your letter.

Thanks again for your concern. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job and care for our fellow man.

You take good care of Ahmed - and remember we'll be watching.

Good luck.

Cordially,

Gordon O'Connor

Minister of National Defense
 


I think the two words at the start of the email would normally tell the reader everything they needed to know about the text which followed.

Those two words were "If Only".

As Kohima's mate Rod said in todays Adver, 'You really shouldn't believe anything I say everything you read on the internet"


Sorry K, if that email took you in so thoroughly, hook line and sinker apparently, to the depth where you were publishing comments about it as if the story was true, then I'll be treating anything you publish now as being very suspect unless you can supply a link to the original source.

In twitter terminology this was a very big #FAIL on your part.

 
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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2011, 10:30:19 PM »

Sorry K - as I said at the very beginning of this thread, I have had my criticisms of Anne, but it sounds to me like your position has been completely demolished. Previous comments have lead me to believe that you like old fashioned sense - so here are some things my Grandad used to say, as they seem entirely apposite:

A. Manners cost nothing and
B. Manners maketh the man

... to which I'd also add, if you act in an offensive way, why do you think you are owed a response by anyone?  I doubt Anne's refusal to respond is based on the political point you're trying to make, as you've already destroyed your own credibility if your questions are so poorly written as to be nearly incomprehensible.

If you've a good point to make, make it clearly and at least with the pretence of civility and someone might bother to read it. But as a tip, don't bother forwarding North American neo-con rubbish. People with a level of sophistication are likely to find it offensive.

But before you think I'm getting cozy with Ms Snelgrove quite so quickly:

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.....and don't get me started on his spelling, punctuation and grammar. Clearly Mr Reynolds was not educated under a Labour Government.


A good practical point - but cheapened by making it political Anne - and a highly questionable one for a lot of the public who've experienced education across the ebb and flow of several governments:

1: Employers can see through the smokescreen of supposed year-on-year exam improvements and are at pains to complain over the fact that school leavers with apparently good grades appear incapable of basic literacy or numeracy (a comment borne out by comments from University lecturers too - NOT a group of people famous for their right-wing inclinations)

2: The Government YOU served in introduced student loans. Instead of helping students from lower income families, you actually added to their financial burden and exacerbated a problem begun by the tories when they froze grants. Perhaps Mr Reynolds would have benefited from a return to University as a mature student - but a degree which would once have been free to him is now likely to see him saddled with a £30k+ loan. The stats speak for themselves - fewer people from poorer backgrounds are seeking higher education. That this process of recreating a new class system was continued under a Labour government seems incredible.

3: Documentaries like 'That'll Teach 'em' showed that claims for the improvement of educational standards and achievement are at best HIGHLY questionable: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1440188/Is-this-the-proof-that-GCSEs-are-easier-than-the-old-O-level-exams.html

4: No doubt the success of your policies explain the lack of support they received by so many teachers - staff who were utterly fed up with the micro-management, the ever changing sets of spurious criteria (not to mention the enormous waste of time) and the mountains of increasing bureaucracy. Slow-clapping at a teachers conference is not the enthusiastic response your marvellous policies should have engendered amongst the professionals expected to enact them - especially as so many of those same professionals are ordinarily of a left-leaning persuasion.

5. The 'fact' that O/GCSE and A pass rates have supposedly being going up for the past 28 years proves not that kids are getting a better education - but that teachers and governments are getting better at getting them through exams to generate the positive statistics upon which future funding (and consequently their careers) depend. The people at the sharp end though can clearly see that education standards in terms of applicable skills appear to have declined.

6. CASE EXAMPLE: I am currently studying at a college where four disruptive younger students have openly stated that they are only there for their EMA. As they are through the probationary period of their first six weeks - and the college depends upon low-to-zero drop our after this period so as not to effect future funding - these four idiots are going to end up with THE SAME qualification as the rest of us who are putting in the effort. EMA was an appallingly short-sighted way to bribe unsuitable students into staying on for irrelevant qualifications.

7. CASE EXAMPLE: Another student has a two year old degree qualification in Geography - and yet has failed a basic level two English exam twice and a basic Health and Safety exam once - and repeatedly demonstrates that he has difficulty with his reading and writing (no, he doesn't have a learning disability or dyslexia either). A nearly illiterate recent graduate in a subject supposedly requiring essay writing skills. Coincidence?

These things happened under the tenure of your party. I don't think you have anything to crow about.
 
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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2011, 11:56:11 AM »

If I did put '20' comments on her site, can she send me a copy of them as I only remember going on about 5 - 6 times, unless of course she counts the time I put it under the open comment and then under the restricted password mode,
what does she call offensive language,  perhaps the truth.
as for the Canadian one,  I actually put that IF ONLY on the front of the email before I sent it out, so if anyone was taken in , it was you (nearly put mate there!!),
as for the dig by Ms Snelgrove about spelling, Ill go into that one day and youll see why but dont worry, as long as there are labour supporters on here, you can dish out your untruths, good luck and yes Labour Will get in again I expect, so hold on to your purse, as Labour will take it away and spend spend spend...... and then it will be either IMF loans or the good old printing press.

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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2011, 12:54:30 PM »

If you read the adver today, youll see that the olympic torch is to come to Swindon on the 23rd May after going through chisledon and wootton bassett, and then onwards, and if you go to the twitter site, you can read a blog, which blames tory policy for it not coming to swindon on its journey around the country, Ill let you figure out who put that blog on twitter...............  :2funny:

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« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2011, 02:10:24 PM »

It said to Chisledon, Wootton Bassett an on to Swindon, or before coming to Swindon I think you will find Kohima.  I dare say it's route will be chosen according to who put their hands up to carry the torch. 
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« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2011, 07:29:30 PM »

I think that is Royal Wootton Bassett?

Probably go out anyway, bloody billions of pounds we ain't got for televised P.E. and then some bugger will forget his plimsolls or have a note from his mum.

Apart from that it sounds marvellous. Huzzah!

Mind you, elf and safety, running with a naked flame, tsk tsk, that's a conflagration waiting to happen.

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« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2011, 09:27:55 PM »

I thought I had put  'the torch is coming to swindon on the 23rd May after going through chisledon and wootton Bassett and then onwards',
I really must get my eyesite repaired, or perhaps my english is also wrong !!!!!.
and from what I read in the adver, the torch bearers have yet to be confirmed....

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« Reply #91 on: November 09, 2011, 08:57:46 AM »

OMG!!  what a bloomer!  Sorry ROYAL Wootton Bassett. :bottom:
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