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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2011, 08:43:37 PM »
just a few points......

No need mate

Im not your mate

to keep in line with you, shall I revert to swearing to get my point across to you or if I think Im losing the plot, threaten to do things to the other person....

yes i have sworn before but as for the threats......again provide your evidence please  :)

you know what you wrote, I bet your proud of what you did say.........

some of what i write im very proud of but not all of it  :wink:

why should I reproduce such rubbish.....

to prove what your claiming is true and forming solid argument with a well founded base.

i look forward to your reply  :)
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2011, 10:06:25 PM »
this is what i and many others used to call the distraction event, say something and the person who doesnt like it, then starts up an arguement about anything but the point your making and drags the thread away from the original one. 
if you want to read what you said, then ask the administrator to send you the copies it must be on record, im not losing sleep over it,
perhaps you can explain Ms Snelgroves comments that she said that she didnt say anything about insults and yet her final sentence in her letter said exactly that....

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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2011, 10:18:09 PM »
this is what i and many others used to call the distraction event, say something and the person who doesnt like it, then starts up an arguement about anything but the point your making and drags the thread away from the original one. 
if you want to read what you said, then ask the administrator to send you the copies it must be on record, im not losing sleep over it,
perhaps you can explain Ms Snelgroves comments that she said that she didnt say anything about insults and yet her final sentence in her letter said exactly that....


You dragged it up Kohima

remember when your lad tried tro say I had been guilty of spelling mistakes, but when I reproduced the actual line of what I had said, then he said no you have just put a spelling mistake on,, and then ranted off in his foul language,

then followed it up with some more claims

No need mate, to keep in line with you, shall I revert to swearing to get my point across to you or if I think Im losing the plot, threaten to do things to the other person.... you know what you wrote, I bet your proud of what you did say.........
why should I reproduce such rubbish.....

ive asked politely and nicely to substantiate your claims and you havent, i dont care if you make me look like an idiot......please share you evidence, if i have been threatening other members this needs to be investigated by the admins or the local police authority........shall i report it or would you like to do so?  :)
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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2011, 10:26:01 PM »
I dont know where this is going, but you want to take a good hard look at yourself.
what went on then is on record, if you doubt me, ask the administrator, I cant be bothered to give you any more air space, go and find a game of tiddley winks to play with..
you could tell us the name of the firm that lets you go as shot gun on the m42.
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« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2011, 10:46:23 PM »
I dont know where this is going,
Anything i can do to help?  :)
but you want to take a good hard look at yourself.
Thats what im trying to do with your help Kohima, why wont you help me?  :)

what went on then is on record, if you doubt me, ask the administrator,
im not doubting you kohima im asking nicely for you to facilitate your claims with evidence to make me look a fool  :)
I cant be bothered to give you any more air space, go and find a game of tiddley winks to play with..
i never had tiddley winks, ive got some pogz...... :) ......but i dont see how thats going to help.


you could tell us the name of the firm that lets you go as shot gun on the m42.


i dont understand what you mean by that, would you please expand?  :)


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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2011, 01:21:39 PM »
 :surrender:

I think this threads best left to the two of you.
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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2011, 01:45:24 PM »
:surrender:

I think this threads best left to the two of you.

I'm with Tobes - not sure where the  :fence: is going t.b.h  :popcorn:

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« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2011, 02:21:27 PM »
I'll keep watching though, I could learn a lot from this. :D
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2011, 11:05:58 AM »
Yes muggins you can learn the art of redirection, if someone says something you dont like, you just protest, say you cant read it, although others like yourself did,  then you just keep harping on about it and then the original subject, Ms Snelgrove is washed away, youll note no commments have been made about her 'untruths' or her statement that she didnt say anything about insults when the last sentence of her letter said exactly that, but hey we can forget that !!, I see in the press  yesterday, that in 2002, when the milly dowler case was being looked at, the police knew that her phone had been hacked,  and police also had been told that the NotW, had accessed her emails. the police at the time did nothing about it, and then some three weeks later , in 2002, the police removed a detective from the case, who had been passing details of the case to the press.  the family of Ms Dowler said at he time the when the public dialled the 999, the police then dialled the NotW.  All of this took place under labours watch and they sat back and did nothing, and now its take the blame cameron time for the likes of Ms Snelgrove, you can vote for who you want as PPC but you should take a good hard look at the same time..anybody who has trouble reading english, Ill send a larger braille print off..

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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2011, 01:57:10 PM »
Is this the Anne Snelgrove letter?

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Don’t read it then

Mr Reynolds writes to complain that his comments on my blog have not been published.
 
To clarify for him and your readers, we do not publish any comments on my blog that are inaccurate, misleading, irrelevant, libellous, rude or downright raving.
 
As it is not a public service or a commercial blog, we reserve the right to publish the comments we choose.
 
Readers will find a longer explanation on my blog www.annesnelgrove.com Perhaps I could correct an inaccuracy in Mr Reynolds’ letter.
 
He wrongly states I am the candidate for North Swindon: having been the Labour MP for South Swindon, I am now the Labour candidate for South Swindon.
 
I was interested to note that the local Tory MPs’ websites either do not publish comments or are selective in the articles which are open to comments; perhaps Mr Reynolds would like to take this up with the MP for Swindon North, who represents him.
 
Of course I welcome genuine political debate, but I will not engage with insults and opinion dressed up as facts.
 
If my blog posts upset Mr Reynolds so much, I suggest he doesn’t read them.

Anne Snelgrove Euclid Street, Swindon
 


Have the local Tory MPs got blogs?

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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2011, 07:58:51 PM »
dont think so , but you can either email them direct or write to them again either at milton road or the house of commons,
if you lucky, youll even get a comment box....... if you read the  letter, you see she says she doesnt print anything misleading etc, so what was her blog comments. :2funny:

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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2011, 10:52:25 AM »
sorry if this is a bore to some, but as you would expect I did reply to Ms Snelgroves letter last week, and afer a prompt yet again, it was printed today, and that was followed by a letter, from a Mr O'Brien, who made reference to my original letter,  when the adver put his name at the end, it didnt for obvious reasons, say that he is her printing agent or just her agent, so the adver spin goes on, must go, ive got a parcel to post and Im off to the one in faringdon road to post if.....

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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2011, 06:45:43 PM »
Been following this topic for a little while.  Never posted here before, but I thought I'd start right now!

Firstly, Kohima, I'd ask yourself why the Adver need a prompt to print your continuing stream of attacks on Anne Snelgrove.  It might be because they're not there to be your outlet in a little one man propaganda campaign against someone and probably don't want to be in the petty nonsense you're trying to provoke.  Just sayin'.

Secondly, Chris O'Brien is not 'printing agent' - or indeed any kind of agent - for Anne Snelgrove.  Somewhat ironic that you get details completely wrong when writing about someone that pointed out a lack of attention to detail on your part - namely that Anne Snelgrove is not and never has been a candidate or MP for North Swindon (which isn't even a ward - it's a constituency; 'Central' and 'Parks' are wards).  In my view it doesn't matter whether he's an agent or not - no more than you being a former Tory council candidate (that didn't make the cut), so it's hardly surprising you disagree (though that doesn't seem to be a strong enough word in your case) with Labour candidates.

As for Adver spin - yes, quite.  The Tories in Swindon have never had it so good.  I genuinely cannot think of any positives for Swindon that have come from having Buckland / Tomlinson as MP's, yet the local media fails to cover it (including an article I wrote myself about Mr Buckland claiming he volunteered in April whilst actually being paid by the tax payer - which in itself was a fortnight before swanning off to do his part time court recording job).  Those particular chickens will come home to roost in 2015 though - or, God willing, sooner.

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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2011, 08:55:12 PM »
If she wants to put up a blog and then first ask for comments and then deny those very same comments, I had my say, the very same blogs were what I would call 'untruths' or even misleading, which she then states she doesnt do !!,
as for mistakes, yes I did say north instead of South, silly me. as for  Mr O'Brien, just go to one of her blogs, and there it is printed 'printed by Mr O'Brien, Rivermead' etc so can you check out your facts please.
As for the next election, yes I expect Labour will get in, wouldnt bet on it but expect they will,  from your thread, I would think your one of their voters,, you must be proud of their record in office..

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« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2011, 09:08:39 PM »
Delete printed by and insert Promoted by.......

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« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2011, 09:36:13 PM »
My facts are right lol - Chris is a web designer, he designed her website.  It doesn't say he promotes her website - it says he developed and hosts her website.  It's quite clear.  He's not her agent, end of (I know him, and I know her agent - they're separate people).  An election agent has legal responsibilities so it's not fair for you to imply someone is an agent when they are not.

I am indeed a Labour voter, and proud of it.  I am a Labour party member, I'm proud of that too.  Unsurprisingly, I am indeed immensely proud of our record in office.  Why on earth wouldn't I be!?  Tens of thousands more doctors, nurses and teachers; countless new hospitals; we're leaps ahead of where we were in terms of equality (while the Tories were still defending Section 28 until less than a decade ago); crime down; half a million kids out of poverty.  Real achievements that made a positive difference to peoples lives (as opposed to a regressive VAT hike that essentially stalls growth and hits the poorest hardest - not to mention policies that are tantamount to a war on women and younger people).  A global recession hit and the actions of a Labour government prevented recession becoming depression.  The economy was on the up when we left office (fact, it's in the stats) - now unemployment is sky rocketing; young people are desperate (what with the trebling of tuition fees, abolition of EMA and lack of jobs) - and only today inflation reaches 5.2%, the highest since 2008 (and since that was the beginning of the recession, I'd say the Tories aren't exactly economic masterminds).  The Tories screwed us over in the 80's and early 90's - they're doing it again now.

Let's not forget, either, that the Tories signed up to Labour spending plans (Tories like to deny all knowledge of this as it makes them sound like dorks when they use the 'we inherited' line, but:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm).

This is the last time I'm going to post in this thread as I suspect this could go on forever - but I should also say that most of all I'm really very proud to have voted for Anne to be the Labour candidate for South Swindon.  And yeah, I expect we'll get in, too.

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« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2011, 10:50:06 PM »
Jesus, I was going to leave this thread to itself, but you've just made me see red. You started well with your factual rebuttal - but now you've ended up sounding like Kohima. The political game you've ended up playing is to counter criticism with criticism.

Hypocrisy?  :wink:

I *politely suggest the possibility* that you might have some deeper/more direct connection with Anne, notwithstanding your party membership and declared partisan allegiance (or are you going to claim otherwise?) given that you've rather given the obvious game away by saying 'OUR record in office' - and by saying you know both her agent and her website publisher? Joe Public you ain't, huh?

So, that's objective then... NOT!  :wink:

A failed tory candidate who reads and believes a bit too much Daily Mail and someone who sounds very much like a politically aspirant Labour party member who's conveniently forgotten the more obvious Labour failures and shame - and the fact that the party was kicked out of office because of them.

If we want to play the criticism game tit-for-tat, Kohima might be minded to remind you of the billions of overspend on failed projects like The Millenium Dome, MOD projects like Nimrod, the billions of £££s and thousands of lives spent on a questionable war fought on a false pretext in Iraq, the jackbooted march of the state in the form of the NIR and id cards (oh, with more millions wasted on that too).

And on a more personal note, please DON'T you damn well presume to lecture anyone about your party's record on education compared to the tory's either, given that under Labour tenure tuition fees were introduced in the first damn place! Yes, a Labour party which helped preside over the turning of education back into a privilege based institution which will saddle students from ordinary backgrounds to the tune of a mortgage for the rest of their lives. Such a proud, proud record.  >:(

Its a shame you won't post again - you and Kohima could be very happy together on this thread, each calling black white and blaming the other for the failures of the world whilst forgetting the festering dung pile of responsibility in your own back yards.

I'd suggest the more objective reader might conclude that its your tribal attitudes which are responsible for many if not most of the failure of the political system to serve either this country, or its people.

 :argh:

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« Reply #57 on: October 18, 2011, 11:07:53 PM »
Thank you Tobes, You took the words out of my mouth about nimrod etc,
youll notice of course, that no reply is given to my questions about her 'statements' or the point on here made by her that she didnt say anything about insults and her last sentence of the letter.
I would make point about the remarks about election candidate,  nice dig I wonder who gave you that titbit. and for Tobes, is it a sin to stand as such. whether you read the mail or whatever?
If you do come back, les us have your views on the labour record on fhe phone scandal, who sent the most well wishes to Gaddahfi, brown or bliar,
Fox is being ground into the ground for his sins, how many people were chased and prosecuted, when hundreds were on the death list in Dartford hospital or the one in Stafford, I think the answer is nil

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« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2011, 01:02:53 AM »
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and for Tobes, is it a sin to stand as such. whether you read the mail or whatever?
 

Nope - no sin at all. I'd encourage anyone to get involved with the democratic system... But I'd much rather there was debate rather than argument.

Geoff makes a good point in another thread about his desire to change Labour from within and I support him in his efforts too. But in the case of Smartstuff to come on and claim a holier than thou attitude based on Labour's previous performance, ESPECIALLY education really gets my goat...

But don't go thinking I'm with you all the way Kohima  :wink: - I have significant disagreements with your very right-wing view of the world too! (I'm a contrary git at the best of times). But don't go pigeon-holing me as a liberal either. I'm a libertarian - a position I've arrived at partly as a result of seeing that people slavishly following party lines cease thinking for themselves and try to enforce a one-size fits all doctrine based on simplicity and ideology, NOT rational thought or through attempting to recognise public opinion, or, god forbid by relfecting it. We all ought to be taking more responsibility for ourselves - and take as much as we can away from the shysters, careerists, freemasons, unionists, euro federalists, bankers and other old-school and self-interested people who seem to make up an unpleasantly large percentage of the political class and their influencers.

I mean, good god, even you can't defend the actions of that idiot Fox, can you?! (and don't respond by coming up with something as bad which a Labour MP did as a response, as it doesn't work on me - I'll probably just agree with you  :wink: )

A pox on them all and their tribal stupidity.
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Re: Ms Snelgrove
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2011, 06:51:15 AM »

I *politely suggest the possibility* that you might have some deeper/more direct connection with Anne, notwithstanding your party membership and declared partisan allegiance (or are you going to claim otherwise?) given that you've rather given the obvious game away by saying 'OUR record in office' - and by saying you know both her agent and her website publisher? Joe Public you ain't, huh?

The phrase "immensely proud" causes concern. Politicians are always 'immensely proud' of something or other. Usually their own achievements.