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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2011, 05:04:08 AM »

On another note...  Cabinet members on their Blackberries during Cabinet ...mmmm

I expect they were trying to record statements being made by opposition councillors.

I'm told that Deputy leader of the council, Garry 'Cheque's in the post' Perkins, was caught trying to record the speech of the leader of the opposition, (without the permission of the Mayor), and was admonished. Garry made some threats to take legal action I believe, presumably to try to prevent news of his incompetence/idiocy/arrogance breaking free of the chamber.  Too late Garry, we had you pegged a long time back my duck.

I think, when even cabinet members start recording other councillors, it's definitely time to record and webcast council meetings.  Does the labour/conservative/the other lot have a position on this yet ?

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2011, 09:04:10 AM »
"Finally, in a supposed Churchillian statement the Councillor at his most eloquent suggests that ‘Taking tough decisions is not easy, and that he and the One Swindon partners are committed to being brave’ – being brave, what does he mean and in what way is it brave to spend other people’s money with such cavalier abandon"

I'm not sure that I like the One Swindon partners being committed to being brave - after all we are all supposed to be pulling with One Swindon and the Voluntary sector supposed to be one of the partners.

And that "Taking tough decisions" speech is a bit hackneyed.  To me it always sounds like someone's goign to set light to the christians becaue it's the right thing do do, when that is still a matter of opinion and done for no other reasons that they ahve the power to do it.

Regarding the rest Mondex and all, sometimes the decision in life are easier when you haven't got any money to play about with.
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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2011, 09:48:24 AM »
After reading Coun Bluh's latest column I simply could not resist responding :

Coun Bluh blames the failure of the project on two external issues, the economic conditions brought about by the last government and what he describes as over zealous scrutiny. He very conveniently does not refer to the exceptionally poor management exhibited by the board of Digital City, which incidentally included his deputy as a main board director. In citing scrutiny as a reason for the demise of Digital City he demonstrates a political agility to step away from a failed project claiming no responsibility for anything that went wrong while luxuriating in the glow of the project being innovative and socially inclusive. ...

Finally, in a supposed Churchillian statement the Councillor at his most eloquent suggests that ‘Taking tough decisions is not easy, and that he and the One Swindon partners are committed to being brave’ – being brave, what does he mean and in what way is it brave to spend other people’s money with such cavalier abandon

I might sound a bit yokelish, but that's being the other side of the M4 for you, but... how does resisting public scrutiny square with the emphasis on community partnership through this One Swindon' thing.

Is it a partnership of equals, or should the community shut-up when the grown-ups are talking?

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2011, 10:12:52 AM »
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Is it a partnership of equals, or should the community shut-up when the grown-ups are talking

I think that just about sums things up - the reality is that to disagree and forcibly make a point (different to enaging in petty backbiting) is seen as being in opposition to innovation and failing to 'see the bigger picture' - as if such a gift is the sole preserve of the ruling power!!

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2011, 06:57:26 PM »
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Precise details are unclear but the council will not be putting any investment capital in upfront. Sadly the trade off is that Swindon residents will lose their access to a FREE service option, at least for now, which certainly takes away the main attraction.
 

Shucks!  :'(

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However, unlike the previous plan, the wireless broadband access will not be available free of charge immediately after launch, although fees may be axed once the service is established.
 

Sounds better not so Shucks?  :-\

Can anyone help me is it shucks or not so shucks or is it just woe  :fish:

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2011, 08:30:15 PM »
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Can anyone help me is it shucks or not so shucks or is it just woe 


What about - it's different?

That is the reality with the new proposal - it simply doesn't bear comparison with the Digital City project.

In the presentation made to SBC's Cabinet the UK Broadband MD was wonderfully clear in setting down exactly what UK Broadband do and are about as a business entity.  They are not a retailer of broadband services to domestic customers they operate in the wholesale market. to quote them:

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UK Broadband is building 4G wholesale city networks in collaboration with our partners and suppliers to meet the high growth in demand for capacity.

The flexibility and reliability of 4G in licensed spectrum means it is now possible to deliver the true wireless city promise.

UK Broadband already holds 4G licensed spectrum and has the technology and expertise to work with service providers to deliver tailored solutions that will complement and enhance fixed line services and 3G through data offload

In other words UK Broadband provides the connectivity for others to link to, the others are called 'service providers' and could be a CCTV specialist who wanted to utilise the technolgy and expertise that UK Broadband has. Imagine SCS at Waterside wanting to operate wireless CCTV cameras - they would need what UK Broadband refer to as a 'tailored solution' - therefore SCS might choose to 'partner' with UK Broadband asnd use their technolgy base to deliver a CCTV service.

The trick for UK Broadband is to find enough willing partners to utilise their technology before the next tranche of 4G spectrum licenses enter the market in 2012/13.

As far as SBC is concerned - if UK Broadband are unsuccessful and there are no guarantees they will be successful - it's a tough world out there - then there will be no financial return to the Council.

Of course some cynics might suggest that the Council believes that in 5 years time the whole issue will be 'old news' and therefore people will forget about the £400k - i couldn't possibly comment.

Now i know that Tim Close the Sales Director of UK Broadband reads the posts on TS (well done and I hope you can see they are not as negative as others might suggest) if what i have said is wrong please do contact me and tell me .

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2011, 08:39:32 AM »
Of course some cynics might suggest that the Council believes that in 5 years time the whole issue will be 'old news' and therefore people will forget about the £400k - i couldn't possibly comment.

Blimmin heck Des are you saying its 5 years of a continuing subject for a leaflet? If so what a gift to the Libdems priceless!  >:D

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2011, 08:49:14 AM »
As we had the debate early on in the process on how free would free wifi  be, and it's benefits or otherwise over the service providers now,  can someone tell me now, how the new deal will be different from what I have now?
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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2011, 09:06:38 AM »
Hi Muggins

The first important selling point made for the DC project is no more - Social Inclusion has gone as a 'promise' and is now merely an 'aspiration' and the fulfilment of that aspiration will be down to others not UK Broadband, who in all fairness have made their position crystal clear. They are a wholesaler of services to which others can connect as opposed to a retailer of finished products. Think of it as being similar to Network Rail who provide the infrastructure of lines, stations etc but others 'buy time' on the infrastructure to provide the actual train service - the finished product.

To provide free Wi-Fi the Council would have to develop yet another 'close' relationship with another provider whose stated aim is to enable residents to access Broadband via Wi-Fi (could be DC).  That company would then go to UK Broadband and for a fee, use their technology.

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2011, 09:14:07 AM »
To be honest Des, I always thought that 'free' was an aspiration rather than a real promise and I didn't really see what use it would be anyway.
If you are that poor then the chances are you haven't got the equipment to pick it up. 

I asked about how the new provider will be different from what we already have?
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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2011, 09:34:13 AM »
I asked about how the new provider will be different from what we already have?

Muggins

A question as shrewd as ever from a wise old one. O0 They will be using different equipment.
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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2011, 09:49:44 AM »
"Your Wiltshire" magazine has info about the Wilts super-fast broadband roll out. Not the same as Swindon as it will cost more and its coveringa  much larger geographic area. It also focuses on the speed of internet connectivity, rather than purely wireless access.

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We are investing over the next four years in digital inclusion and superfast broadband to support residents and businesses throughout the county.

Currently not all parts of Wiltshire have the same access to broadband due to the rural nature of the county and because it is not economic for commercial providers to supply this service in some areas.

The council knows how important high-quality broadband access is to local people and businesses and will invest £16m over the next four years in this important area. This investment along with government grants and additional investment from the telecoms industry should generate total funds of £30m

By 2015 we are aiming to provide access to superfast broadband technology for at least 85 per cent of premises, which we hope may rise to 95 per cent.



Key aims:
- To improve access to broadband for citizens and businesses in Wiltshire
- To increase the range and usage of council on-line services
- To ensure that everyone has the opportunity to become digitally literate and confident users of technology

http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/communityandliving/digitalinclusion.htm

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2011, 10:35:49 AM »
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asked about how the new provider will be different from what we already have

Again it's important to say at the outset that 'we don't have an existing provider' - Digital City is a dead duck, it hasn't traded for nigh on a year (in any meaningful sense of the word) and its debts are too large for it to clear.

One of the many nonsense statements made by Hitesh Patel as the author of a report which would have disgraced a junior manager never mind one being paid a six figure salary, contained the quite laughable quote "The short term plan for the Wi-Fi network in Highworth is to ensure that this network continues to operate" I have highlighted the word 'continues' as this suggests the network in Highworth is working - it is not.

The second piece of absurdity offered by Mr Patel centres on his statement that "once assets have been transferred to the council ...explore how the existingWi-Fi network can be combined with the new network" - now i know I am a cynic but one would have thought that in preliminary discussions with UK Broadband the viability of using any part of the DC netwrok would have been discussed and either agreed upon or as i suspect,rejected as impractical.

The new provider is simply not the same in any way whatsoever as to be able to make a proper comparison with Digital City.  This will become clearer as time passes. It is clever politics to divert attention from a failure by presenting a 'new kid on the block' - i don't think for one moment that UK Broadband will pretend to be anything other than what they are.

As for Coun Bluh trumpeting the party piece that UK Broadband only came to Swindon because of the energy and committment demonstrated by the DC project - that is itself such nonsense that it isn't worth attacking.  It is worht saying that i would have exepected nothing less from Coun Bluh and i would not expect UK Broadband to be anything other than 'supportive' of the statement. That is really a fusion of political expediency and commercial pragmatism which creates the illusion of a close and unique relationship - wonderful theatre but wholly unreal.

The idea that a company such as UK Broadband cannot see the ignominious failure that is DC and SBCs absolute desire to find a remedy which takes away the public heat is also laughable. In reality Swindon is a prime site for UK Broadband to trial their new technology - actually they have not attempted it anyhwere else in the UK and  doubt they were able to find such compliant a council as SBC.  The real key for UK Broadband is the link to Capita.


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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #94 on: September 24, 2011, 12:37:26 PM »
The idea that a company such as UK Broadband cannot see the ignominious failure that is DC and SBCs absolute desire to find a remedy which takes away the public heat is also laughable. In reality Swindon is a prime site for UK Broadband to trial their new technology - actually they have not attempted it anyhwere else in the UK and  doubt they were able to find such compliant a council as SBC.  The real key for UK Broadband is the link to Capita.

As you say the fellow from UK broadband reads this.  Q. Do UK Broadband make contributions to any political party? Q. Meet with local and national Politicians? Q. Is UK Broadband taking advantage of the position that  Swindon Borough Council finds itself in? Is the SBC opportunity presented to UK Broadband  the only way into Capita?  :popcorn:

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2011, 12:22:28 PM »
Damn it - another 'Bluh' first for Swindon that isn't quite what it seems - this is the latest headline on 4G and LTE technology. looks like we might be second

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UK’s first customer trial of 4G mobile broadband goes live in Cornwall

•200 triallists in Cornwall now testing UK’s first mobile and fixed line broadband network collaboration
•Landmark trial will examine the potential of 4G LTEi technology for broadband ‘not-spots’

Everything Everywhere and BT Wholesale today announced  that the first live trial of next generation 4G LTE¹ broadband in the UK has begun in Cornwall. The landmark trial sees the two companies collaborate to provide wireless broadband to approximately 200 customers living in St. Newlyn East and the surrounding area of South Newquay, which has low or no broadband service available.

The customer trial, the UK’s first test of an LTE solution which can be deployed to both mobile and fixed line customers, follows a successful eight week laboratory trial which rigorously tested the network deployment in simulated conditions. The purpose of the laboratory testing was to prove it would be possible to share, manage and optimise valuable radio resources between two service providers. The field trial will now examine the experience of live triallists to help both Everything Everywhere and BT Wholesale test and better understand realistic 4G LTE speeds, as well as general mobile broadband data service conditions in rural areas.

Verythig Everywhere is a fusion of two of the most aggressive and prolific mobile phone operators in the UK and BT is what it is.

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2011, 03:04:35 PM »


If Rod Bluh claims something to be innovative, vibrant and a world-beating first.....you can almost guarantee that it won't be any of them.




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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #97 on: October 31, 2011, 04:18:06 PM »
On 16 May 2011 Coun perkins was quoted as saying "The objective of these negotiations with UK broadband is to turn Digital City into a profitable business" He further stated when asked whether a timeline of two weeks for signing a deal was reasonable "I would hope it would be".

Earlier the same Councillor said "a deal could be signed within a couple of days" indeed so gung ho was he that he was quoted as saying "There is a contract available for us to accept or not"

At the meeting of Cabinet held on 22 September 2011 it was said that it was expected by the end of October 2011 to have reached a position where all parties could finalise appropriate commercial arrangements.

Haven't heard anything yet?

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #98 on: October 31, 2011, 07:52:58 PM »
Got the Midas touch that chap hasn't he?

Kind of.

I think I'd sooner be damned by the Graet Almighty in person than receive a thumbs up from Mr Bluh.

No offence.

Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Has The First Chapter Of New Wifi 2 Deal Been Written?
« Reply #99 on: November 10, 2011, 10:20:37 PM »
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On 16 May 2011 Coun perkins was quoted as saying "The objective of these negotiations with UK broadband is to turn Digital City into a profitable business" He further stated when asked whether a timeline of two weeks for signing a deal was reasonable "I would hope it would be".

Earlier the same Councillor said "a deal could be signed within a couple of days" indeed so gung ho was he that he was quoted as saying "There is a contract available for us to accept or not"

At the meeting of Cabinet held on 22 September 2011 it was said that it was expected by the end of October 2011 to have reached a position where all parties could finalise appropriate commercial arrangements.

Haven't heard anything yet


So here we are 10 November 2011 and still no word from the citadel. Coun Bluh's on holiday leaving Coun Perkins to hold the fort.

No accounts filed for DC and no 'open and transparent' statement as to where the £250k has gone!

No signed deal with UK Broadband as yet, although i understand they were seen in the building this week - allegedly heads of agreement have been signed - but no 'white smoke' ascending signifying the conclusion of a commercial contract which enables Coun Bluh to come out in to the sunlight waving a piece of paper declaring 'we have a deal' - so much for Coun Perkins and his 'there is a contract for us to accept - or not'

Another day - another broken promise.