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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 06:52:39 PM »
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It went wrong - almost from day one. That was because some people didn't agree with the internal process within the Council to making this decision


This complete and utter 'tosh' is repeated like a mantra by Rikki Hunt and Coun Perkins in the vain hope that if they repeat 'the lie' frequently enough it will become the truth.

The Wi-Fi project was signed off on 20 October 2009 and a press statement was released on 17 November 2009, Highworth was launched to great fanfare on 16 December 2009.

My first correspondence wth Coun Bluh on the matter was 20 November 2009 and it first came to a Council committee on the 14 December 2009 by which time Highworth was only 48 hours away from being launched as 90% complete.

Just how does this equate with the claim "it went wrong almost from day one" other than Mr Hunt fails to mention his own well documented explanations for why things went wrong. Mr Hunt said the roll out in Highworth was delayed for two main reasons. The first "We wanted to ensure as complete coverage as possible but found black spots where the signal was not consistent enough and we did not have the right street furniture to mount aerials" his second reason was "Delays have occurred  as a result of having to obtain planning consent to install two repeaters"

The 'street furniture' referred to translates into lamp posts - but I asked Mr Hunt if he was confident about fixing repeaters to lamp posts, bearing in mind the Norwich experience, he dismissed my concerns.

As for the second reason for a delay - that is an outright and shameful untruth. There was no planning consent applied for, which meant there was no delay due to DC awaiting planning consent.

The real reason 'it went wrong' can be found in the lack of action undertaken by Mr Hunt.  His failure to engage a sales force, a marketing manager, a brand manager or even to develop a marketing campaign (and we are not talking about pushing a few leaflets through a few doors in Highworth)

In truth Digital City's demise is proof that in the end hype never beats substance, as for Mr Hunt - he said on 22 April 2010 "I've been in business too long to ruin my credibility with something like this" - the something being a failed Wi-Fi project.

I think we can leave it to others to judge just how much damage has been done to his erstwhile commercial reputation.


I agree with Des' comments although Des hasn't mentioned the heavy snow which Mr Hunt cited as the reason for extending the Highworth completion date from the 15th of January 2010 to the end of January.

Apparently Mr Hunt had not yet noticed/admitted that the 'lamp post problem' would prevent Highworth from being finished until he applied for planning permission to put suitable ones in.  He later claimed to have submitted a planning application, (citing it as another reason for Highworth not being completed on time), but it seems he never actually submitted a planning application anyway.


This is an extract from a project update sent by Mr Hunt to all Borough Councillors in January 2010:

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Up until the arrival of the heavy snow, we were on target to complete Highworth by the 15th of January, having gone live with an area around the library on the 16th December. SCS, our installation and maintenance partner, are as you would expect snowed under right now so I am revising to end of January for the completion.

Usage
Currently we have 350 customers registered and last week had 141 live, of the live customers who are all on the free service (we won't launch the paid service until Highworth is complete and quality assessed) we are seeing about 50 users on line at one time and they downloaded 20Gbs and uploaded 5Gbs. We have not had one
complaint from those who are able to connect.


Full document here:



These are your own words Mr Hunt.....


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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 07:02:32 PM »
We have had enquiries from 14 other Councils with eight being more
serious than the rest.


With Bathgate being easily the most comical?
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 07:08:06 PM »
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Up until the arrival of the heavy snow, we were on target to complete Highworth by the 15th of January,

So they were "on target". What about the political interference? That must have all been between the 15th of January 2010 and the end of January, I suppose. So just 16 days to get sufficient interference in place to stop such a "fabulous opportunity" from happening. Pull the other one Rikki & Co.

I imagine that the Swindon Commercial Services Job Cards and the payments made to them for all the work done, will be good solid evidence of all the work that was carried out on Digital City's behalf? I wonder if they did any work at all after March 2010?
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 07:10:36 PM »
We have had enquiries from 14 other Councils with eight being more
serious than the rest.


With Bathgate being easily the most comical?



I doubt Cllr Garry Perkins and Rikki Hunt laughed when, in early December 2010, they received a curt letter from David Stein, the Chairperson of Enterprising Bathgate Ltd in response to Digital City's attempt to drum up some business in West Lothian.

David said:


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6. There is no commercial feasibility demonstrated within the report.


Document here:

http://www.talkswindon.org/politics/wifi/documents/2010_12_06_Enterprising_Bathgate_Ltd_Response_to_Digital_City_re_WiFi.pdf




Additional:

Document originally obtained by Chris Watts via a Freedom of Information request to West Lothian Council.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bathgate_wifi_project#outgoing-112378


It should be noted that Enterprising Bathgate/West Lothian Council are the only Local Authority to progress their 'interest' in the WiFi business model promoted by Swindon Borough Council & Digital City (UK) Ltd.

West Lothian Council also promptly flattened an attempt by the Perkins/Hunt/Bluh triumverate to smear myself, Chris Watts, Des Morgan and Cllr Steve Wakefield by jointly accusing us of 'Industrial Espionage' and scuppering Digital City's attempt to get cash from West Lothian by contacting West Lothian Council/Enterprising Bathgate.

West Lothian Council Confirmed:


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West Lothian Council has not received any communications from the individuals named above relating to the Bathgate Wi-Fi project.



See: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/foi_requests_received_by_west_lo#comment-16315
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 07:11:27 PM »
Yes Mart. Bathgate Council were laughing all right after my cousin, who lives there, put his councillor mate onto the TS Wi-Fi thread.

They are still watching this site for more laughs and have sent their thanks.
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 07:12:13 PM »
 
I wonder if they did any work at all after March 2010?

That, is a very good question.

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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 08:29:20 PM »
And Mr Hunt had been having sleepless nights about his financial difficulties....then £400K landed in his lap.....

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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2011, 09:23:53 PM »
Mr Hunt's not the first wide-boy businessman to tell the 'poor boy turned good' tale, and I'm sure he won't be the last. And whilst there are many things about his tale that don't ring true, his memory of school dinners seem quite sound to me.

[pedant mode]

Erm....call me pedantic, but:

Mr Hunt was born in 1953. Presumably he was in the education system by 1958/59 and, by his own admission, was expelled from school when he was 15 years old in 1968?  I mention this because, in Barrie Hudsons article Mr Hunt said:

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“When I was at junior school I used to get free meals. The system of the day was that it was two shillings and sixpence for dinner money"

It's only a minor point, but in 1968 the price of a school meal was One Shilling and six pence.

In 1969 the price was increased to One shilling and 9 pence, but by this time Mr Hunt was no longer in the education system.

In 1971 decimalisation happened and I remember the price of my school meals was 12 pence, (although I purchased 10 Number 6 and a box of blue cross safety matches with my 12p).

I'm not sure where Mr Hunt 'remembers' school meals costing 2 Shillings and Six pence - I don't think they ever did.

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[ultra-pedant mode]
The article doesn't say that school meals cost 2/6 each.
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The system of the day was that it was two shillings and sixpence for dinner money.
On dinner money day the teacher would call you out and you would have to pay your dinner money. I used to hate that day because every week I had to say, ‘free meals, miss’ in front of everybody.
To me that reads as 2/6 per week. Dinner money was 2/6 and it was paid once per week.
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Why does Mr Hunt repeatedly tell us this story? I presume in part to gain sympathy, and in part to excuse his failings - "poor boy made good" is expected to make some mistakes, "born-rich-kid" is not.

As far as I'm aware, although Mr Hunt has been declared bankrupt, Mrs Hunt has not been. I'm not aware of them living in penury.
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2011, 10:30:10 PM »
Point of Information

2/6 was half a dollar or half a crown and was 30d

Labour introduced national school meals after the war and the cost was set by the government it was 7d per day, in 1953  coronation year it was announced that rationing would be abolished and the price was raised to 9d per day. In 1957 it was raised to 10d and  Quentin Hogg Lord Hailsham as Minister in 1957 broke through the Bob Barrier and raised it to 1 shilling perday.

Labour raised it to 1/6d perday in 1968 and in 1969 it was raised to 1/9d perday. The next rise came in the Thatcher as Schools Minister (milk snatcher) days and it then it was over to decimilisation and yes it was raised to 12p. 

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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2011, 01:21:32 AM »
Okay, so Mr Hunt's memory or imagination is totally ga-ga. He'd have been at junior school between 1961 and 1964, which by Mr Wakefield's reckoning is the 1/- per day (5/- per week) era.
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2011, 08:37:39 AM »
Does it really matter?   It's 40 years ago and he's getting older, his memory is going, same as the rest of us.   :uglystupid2:

B"$%^&*r the cost of school meals in the 50/60s, I want me £400,000 back - NOW.

Or at least mine and Mr Muggins  share of it.  Actually add the rest of the extended family up and thatadds up to a few bob. (1 shilling, 12 pennies, 24 halfpennies, 48 farthings, 5p)

Whatever it was Rikki didn't pay it, he got free school meals.
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2011, 08:39:05 AM »
Posted on another thread. I forgot to mention the Audit Committee, Des Moffatt reminded me of it last night and and I know it is one that Des Morgan attends to ask questions about wifi. Cllr Moffatt and Allsopp, a few months back put a motion forward for Audit Committee to review the wifi. It was voted down.
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2011, 09:06:48 AM »
Now let us get back to the bones of this thread Rikki's Memory Syndrome as we are aware that some memories are etched into us like indelible ink. The detail, smells, sounds etc are never forgotten sometimes they are  happy, and sometimes not so happy. Note as facts go that Rikki gets it wrong, but Boothill gets it right.
 
My school dinners cost my parents 5/= a week and that was still the amount charged when I left school in 1966, so God only knows where RHUNT gets his 2/6 from !!
Is it that Rikki is financially not aware? or not good with figures? I believe if this episode in his young life was as traumatic as Rikki makes out then he would remember down to the last halfpenny how much the meals were. If this is not the case, is the alternative that he is sloppy with detail?

How reliable is Rikki's grasp of the reality of his own childhood and could this be why he and the other directors of DC have been equally as slipshod with the grasp on reality in DC? What supports that question is; I was a director by accident, and I am a director, but don't know where the company is registered , oh hum... accounts oh yes they are here somewhere, etc. Makes you think don't it?

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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2011, 09:31:18 AM »
It's probably a matter of what he remembers best. He wouldn't be so likely to accurately remember how much the dinners were as he would that he got them free - and the embarrassment, suffered by many at the time if my memory serves me right. 

Most of what he remembers of his childhood and youth appeared to me -  to be of being a slap happy risk taker.  From admitting these things, I fancy he rather proud of that, perhaps it's that that makes him tick.

I had an instant empathy with his parents.  Like they had anough to do, both working (and still trying to make ends meet) and 7 more kids!!.  Being a child in the middle is always supposed to be the worst place in a family, also looks like he gave his siblings some worries. 
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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2011, 09:50:41 AM »
It's probably a matter of what he remembers best. He wouldn't be so likely to accurately remember how much the dinners were as he would that he got them free - and the embarrassment, suffered by many at the time if my memory serves me right. 

Most of what he remembers of his childhood and youth appeared to me -  to be of being a slap happy risk taker.  From admitting these things, I fancy he rather proud of that, perhaps it's that that makes him tick.

I had an instant empathy with his parents.  Like they had anough to do, both working (and still trying to make ends meet) and 7 more kids!!.  Being a child in the middle is always supposed to be the worst place in a family, also looks like he gave his siblings some worries.


Muggins

Your nurturing instincts are wonderful  O0 There is a reference here to "False Memory Swindrome" http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=7544.msg67608#msg67608

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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2011, 11:22:57 AM »
Maybe they didn't, but maybe that's what he was charging his mum for them.

Class.

In 1971 decimalisation happened and I remember the price of my school meals was 12 pence, (although I purchased 10 Number 6 and a box of blue cross safety matches with my 12p).

Ah, we used to relocate lemonade bottles from the cricket club to the village shop for the deposit. Then whip next door to the newsagents. You could get 10 Number 10, or Sovereign, I remember Sovereign at 37p for 20. Like smoking a chemical spill. No6 was for posh folk (bloody champagne socialists) and we remember with some awe the day No6 Kingsize arrived in the village.

Anyway, it's clear there's some significant misremembering going on, this is going to end the same way it started, hope it goes 'proper' national, be lovely to see some of the key players getting a proper stick wiggling. Speaking of which, found the tool for the job.

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The success of No6 when launched in 1965 was it had a filter(blue pkt)Embassy  had 20% of the market Players No6 had the voucher remember them you got 5 credit voucher with 10 No 6 and these could be exchanged for gifts froma catalogue, like Greenshield stamps. The other thing was that No6 produced mild and extra mild for women and tried to get away from  Embassy's smoked by the boss and white collar workers and flash travelling salesmen image.

Player's No6 had a working class image, although the packaging also had a feminine appeal. Players No6 mild appealed to female smokers. In the Michael Caine film, "Get Carter", Jack's niece, Doreen, smoked No6. Carter himself smoked Gitanes.

Carter was not working class? ( sophisticated London hitman?) The packets that did not contain filtered cigarettes were brown. There was one that we must all remember the lung wrenching Woodbines bought in 5s and were nothing more than the "brushing Ups" from Capsten Full Strength.
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2011, 12:30:07 PM »
Flip me, cars last week, fags this week. Thankfully I threw my pipe away yonks ago.

Where's Chav and Drone we could a have 'shoe's we have worn' trip down memory lane - whilst I've still got one.

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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2011, 12:45:20 PM »
You've only got one shoe?   :o
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »
Memory,  ICDT, Memory......... :hippy:
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Re: Labour accused of putting a stick in Rikki's WiFi hole and wiggling it.
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2011, 01:36:25 PM »
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Up until the arrival of the heavy snow, we were on target to complete Highworth by the 15th of January,


Ah, the so called 'Osbourne Defence'. What impact did the royal wedding have on the roll out?